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    Post  LMFS on Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:41 pm

    kvs wrote:It looks like Americans and NATO denizens in general are afflicted with the wishful thinking fantasy projection disease.
    They really think that if they trash talk about Russia hard enough that reality will deform to suit their desires.  
    Pathetic clowns.  

    If it was 2004, then these "skeptics" (more like deniers) would have some plausibility in their nay saying.   But not
    today.   Recall the chicken little forecasts about the Banderastani termination of the supply of specific models of gas turbines
    two years ago on this forum.   According to the "skeptics" Russia was never going to replace these obsolete models
    and would have to shop for Chinese ones.    Now that this BS has been exposed as utterly detached from reality we
    have round two of chicken little predictions about how Russia can't build these engines.   WTF.  Get a frigging life
    you clowns.   Russia can build jet engines and gas turbines, but just not these specific models that it has developed?

    How much more of this troll crap will we have to wade through to get any value out of these threads.   Either post
    something substantial or GTFO.    Your wishful thinking is totally irrelevant.  

    Maybe they suffer from the Karl Rove's "We are an empire and we create reality" syndrome Laughing

    But what you say is more relevant than many may think. What you are complaining from, for its effects in the forum, is just the reflection of a very well thought and consistently implemented Western propaganda strategy of questioning all and everything that Russia does that has two main effects: create doubts in the international community about the capabilities and future of Russia with the aim of containing their development, and to get into the own Russians' minds, taking advantage of some historical events to provoke a feeling of inferiority and demoralisation, what is worse (the forum is proof of it), it works.

    Narrative control is the ultimate power. Anglozionism inherited it from their banking overlords (financials are nothing but reputation in the end) and they apply it with unmatched skill. Sad we fall for it so easily.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:16 am

    Also where would they put this carrier they will suddenly start building? where is it's aircraft, where are its escorts? where is everything else? That guy was hinting they will suddenly slap down a carrier which no they aren't we are good maybe 8 years at least from seeing them lay one down.

    Which just shows your ignorance...

    Even if they started laying down a carrier right now... today... it will be 8-12 years before it is operational... that is plenty of time to prepare and build larger surface vessels or upgrade existing larger vessels... this new carrier is the support vessel for the Russian Navy.... not the other way around.

    Ten years is plenty of time to prepare a dock in Murmansk or the Pacific to base a carrier, and if the surface group it will be defending is based on upgraded current large vessels a quick upgrade of new comms and sensors and weapons would be fine... they don't need to convert them into Zumwalts....

    None of anything that you said Garry has anything to do with taking over seven years to construct a hull, if you are going to start ranting stop the point of managing a shipyard is to make sure things are done on time is fixed if there is a problem and in a timely manner if you cannot do that you need to resign your post so someone who can do the job takes the spot.

    So how the fuck will dozens of resignations because the customer has pulled funding and decided to go with mistrals and then gone back to the ship you were building but now the design has changed so they can't meet deadlines help the Russian Navy?

    If you got a job and then your primary supplier suddenly refuses to supply something you already paid for... are you going to meet your deadline?

    There is no refund so where are you going to find a replacement and where are you going to find the money for the replacement... is the Russian Navy just going to hand over extra money just like that?

    But no, you are dead right... everything always goes to plan and nothing ever happens that might require a change in plan... any changes and you must fall on your sword... don't bother me with the details.... just resign... you bad soldier you.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:01 am

    Ten years isn't enough time for them to build the support ship going by their record if they where SK sure but this is Russia, the fact is Russia has nothing they need to build a new carrier that day is long off, you are talking about ignorance? that's funny you are the poster girl here about that.

    I am not going to argue with you about if's or butts, the facts today and for the foreseeable future show there will be no carrier in the next decade.

    What's fine to you garry isn't fine to the Navy they will need to build a whole battle group around it and they cannot do that in ten years and when did I mention Zumwalts, keep throwing that shade at me.




    Was I talking about Mistrals...? I never mentioned that ship, what ship class are you even talking about now?. the French pretty much built the Mistrals, the russian were allowed to "help out".

    Not saying they didn't get any experience out of it but the Mistrals have nothing to do with what I said.

    If you are talking about the engines, again that is their own fault.

    Russia paid for the ships in full but the USC would always work ass slowly, want more money, delays etc.

    Being supplied with components was never a problem again except the engines but once more their fault.

    You are again trying to make up excuses to white knight, the irony is its people with your mindset, that has harmed the capacity of Russian naval construction, it always "There is nothing wrong, this is why it's happening, this is fine it's normal" No Garry it isn't again, incompetence is incompetence, the more you ignore it and the more you make up an excuse for it the worse it gets.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:08 am

    LMFS wrote:
    kvs wrote:It looks like Americans and NATO denizens in general are afflicted with the wishful thinking fantasy projection disease.
    They really think that if they trash talk about Russia hard enough that reality will deform to suit their desires.  
    Pathetic clowns.  

    If it was 2004, then these "skeptics" (more like deniers) would have some plausibility in their nay saying.   But not
    today.   Recall the chicken little forecasts about the Banderastani termination of the supply of specific models of gas turbines
    two years ago on this forum.   According to the "skeptics" Russia was never going to replace these obsolete models
    and would have to shop for Chinese ones.    Now that this BS has been exposed as utterly detached from reality we
    have round two of chicken little predictions about how Russia can't build these engines.   WTF.  Get a frigging life
    you clowns.   Russia can build jet engines and gas turbines, but just not these specific models that it has developed?

    How much more of this troll crap will we have to wade through to get any value out of these threads.   Either post
    something substantial or GTFO.    Your wishful thinking is totally irrelevant.  

    Maybe they suffer from the Karl Rove's "We are an empire and we create reality" syndrome Laughing

    But what you say is more relevant than many may think. What you are complaining from, for its effects in the forum, is just the reflection of a very well thought and consistently implemented Western propaganda strategy of questioning all and everything that Russia does that has two main effects: create doubts in the international community about the capabilities and future of Russia with the aim of containing their development, and to get into the own Russians' minds, taking advantage of some historical events to provoke a feeling of inferiority and demoralisation, what is worse (the forum is proof of it), it works.

    Narrative control is the ultimate power. Anglozionism inherited it from their banking overlords (financials are nothing but reputation in the end) and they apply it with unmatched skill. Sad we fall for it so easily.


    Right because calling out a problem is Propaganda, here I thought to fix a problem so it would go away was the route to take but your right, let's sing a song and act like everything is okay and blame people who don't agree with the BS wrong because oh nyu they criticized mother russia.

    Both sides commit to propaganda, fanboys from both sides commit to propaganda. That's the problem with this forum even your own admin called it out, the pro-russian fanboys right away call anything that makes russia look bad "propaganda" in all fairness if this was an American forum it would be the other way around. This is why in the end forum are a terrible way to discuss one narrative tends to take over and anyone who disagrees with that based off the facts is called this and that
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:38 pm

    Propaganda... Russia can do nothing right and they should fire everyone right now.... blah blah blah.

    There are a lot of problems with ship building in Russia but I rather doubt we know very much about that.

    The Ivan Gren case is a good example... if the design is bad... a scaled up river boat supposed to do the job of who knows what, then they went with Mistrals instead, and then back to the IG... it is hardly the shipyards fault if the Russian Navy clearly doesn't know what it wants or keeps changing its mind and shifts its goals on a monthly basis.

    But obviously you know better because clearly you have Russias best interests at heart...
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:19 am

    GarryB wrote:Propaganda... Russia can do nothing right and they should fire everyone right now.... blah blah blah.

    There are a lot of problems with ship building in Russia but I rather doubt we know very much about that.

    The Ivan Gren case is a good example... if the design is bad... a scaled up river boat supposed to do the job of who knows what, then they went with Mistrals instead, and then back to the IG... it is hardly the shipyards fault if the Russian Navy clearly doesn't know what it wants or keeps changing its mind and shifts its goals on a monthly basis.

    But obviously you know better because clearly you have Russias best interests at heart...

    First of you troll I never said they can't do anything right, I said in shipbuilding they have a clear host of issues, how does saying that translate to "they can't do anything right".

    I give them credit when they do something right but I also call out when they do wrong, welcome to life.

    Ivan Gren's where not to replace Mistrals lol, they were meant to serve alongside them. Where in the hell did you think they intended to have Ivan Gren's take the place of Amp Assault ships lol!

    So that's a terrible example
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    Post  Isos on Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:39 am

    Russia needs (needed) to replace a verrry big part of its navy. No surprise they are a little bit lost about what to produce and when to produce it.

    They wanted 30 Gorshkov frigates to replace the few that Soviet union operated.

    They wanted 12 Lider while SU operated only 4 kirov nuclear powered and 3 slavas.

    They have no destroyer planed while SU operated 4 or 5 different classes of destroyers in 91. It was the main type of big ship in SU.

    They want new corvettes and speed boats but want every new design showed to them while every one is designed around a set of uksk.

    They need IG to replace landing ships which were already old before syrian compain.


    And all that with less shipyards than SU and less experienced workers.
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    Post  Tingsay on Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:13 am

    Isos wrote:Russia needs (needed) to replace a verrry big part of its navy. No surprise they are a little bit lost about what to produce and when to produce it.

    They wanted 30 Gorshkov frigates to replace the few that Soviet union operated.

    They wanted 12 Lider while SU operated only 4 kirov nuclear powered and 3 slavas.

    They have no destroyer planed while SU operated 4 or 5 different classes of destroyers in 91. It was the main type of big ship in SU.

    They want new corvettes and speed boats but want every new design showed to them while every one is designed around a set of uksk.

    They need IG to replace landing ships which were already old before syrian compain.


    And all that with less shipyards than SU and less experienced workers.

    Agreed.
    Russia should just go for a heavy corvette surface navy. Nothing wrong with that. Steregs, grems and derzkiis inside brown and green waters are major headaches for any destroyer/frigate fleets, possibly even equals. In Blue waters, yeah they are lacking but Russia wont have an aircraft carrier anytime soon so blue waters can wait.
    Russia in theory can match the US navy within green waters with just corvettes. Not that they should, you wouldnt want 100s of corvettes by the time your ready for an actual carrier battle group. But this obsession with ACs and destroyers should be postponed to 2030s.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:35 am

    Ivan Gren's where not to replace Mistrals lol, they were meant to serve alongside them. Where in the hell did you think they intended to have Ivan Gren's take the place of Amp Assault ships lol!

    Where did I say they were going to replace IGs with Mistrals... and you complain that you think I put words in your mouth... how can I when your foot is always there...  Rolling Eyes

    Russia should just go for a heavy corvette surface navy. Nothing wrong with that.

    That would suit the US right to the ground knowing they would never come face to face with Russian ships on the high seas and they can impose their imperial will around the planet with impunity... now if only they can convince those chinese to do the same...

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    Post  Tingsay on Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:49 am

    GarryB wrote:
    That would suit the US right to the ground knowing they would never come face to face with Russian ships on the high seas and they can impose their imperial will around the planet with impunity... now if only they can convince those chinese to do the same...


    It's only Temporary tho.
    And even if Russia has one carrier battle group now. Good luck facing 10+ from the US. Russia and China combined wont match Us naval power in the high seas till the 2040s and beyond. No point losing sleep over it.
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    Post  Hole on Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:05 am

    The WWII is long gone. carriers won´t fight against carriers. Russian Tu-22M3´s and MiG-31K´s with their Kh-32´s and Kinzahls will fight carriers.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:20 am

    It's only Temporary tho.
    And even if Russia has one carrier battle group now. Good luck facing 10+ from the US. Russia and China combined wont match Us naval power in the high seas till the 2040s and beyond. No point losing sleep over it.

    Right now if the Peter the Great was operational and the Kuznetsov was operational and they had a few support vessels available now would be a really good time to sail to Venezuela for those naval drills they have been planning for ages with their ally Venezuela... they don't need to sink any US ships let alone carriers... their presence would deter the US from any invasion plans they might be currently cooking up.

    Other potential trade partners of Russia will look at that and think perhaps the times of the US bullying central and south american countries into buying F-5 fighters and cheaply buying their products instead of getting a better price in other markets might be over...

    A Russian navy with a carrier and large ships means global reach... it doesn't mean WWIII, what it means is that it gives Russia a say in things... right now the US can largely ignore what Russia is saying about the rule of international law regarding their attempt to illegally overthrow the democratically elected Maduro... because they don't have the naval strength to back it up... if that situation remains then Russia will stay where it is because who is going to pick trade with them over the potential US overthrow of their government?

    This is about Russias future... do they want an independent strong voice and the right to trade in peace with countries it chooses and choose them, or do they want to be Americas bitch and just tow the line or else.

    Trade with Venezuela might be a couple of billion a year... but it can grow and become more substantial and they can trade with any other country they like too, but over the years even a 2 billion dollar a year trade relationship will pay for the carriers over a decade... and there will be more than just one country wanting fair trade with a country that can produce farm equipment and currently has gone from a food importer to a food exporter in less than a decade...
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:33 am

    Looking for info on vladivostok shipyard, I found this old article from 2009.

    To which shipyard they are referring to? It cannot have been zvezda, since it is in balshoy kamen.

    Is this this one?
    http://vostokraffles.ru/about/ and if so, is it related to Zvezda?


    http://www.turkishmaritime.com.tr/mobi/new-shipyard-in-vladivostok-3384h.htm

    Russia and China are set to sign an agreement on building a large shipyard in the city of Vladivostok.
    New shipyard in Vladivostok

    16 October 2009 Friday 12:31

    Russia and China are set to sign an agreement on building a large shipyard in the city of Vladivostok.

    Russia and China are set to sign an agreement on building a large shipyard in the city of Vladivostok. $200m is expected to be spent on the yard, which sees Yantai Raffles of China and United Shipbuilding Corporation of Russia coming together. Yantai Raffles, founded by Singaporean Brian Cheng, was taken over recently by CIMC, the world"s largest container manufacturer. Yantai Raffles is an offshore specialist, based at the northern tip of Shandong province. Its yard contains the world"s largest gantry crane, the 20,000 t Taisun.

    Russian shipbuilders are anxious to climb the technology ladder and a number of agreements have been signed between local and leading Korean yards. The signing is the first between China and Russia.


    Are there other shipyards in the far east that can build big ships? I read that vostochnoya verf in Vladivostok received an order for 22800 small corvette/missile ship, but it is a small ship. Can they only cope with low tonnage ships? In its russian wiki page it was written
    google translate wrote:
    By the end of 2013, the complete computerization of the enterprise was completed. The capacity of the enterprise allows building ships and ships with a displacement of up to 2.5 thousand tons

    In addition in Vladivostok there is the ship repair center dalzavod that was planned to be modernised to be able to repair mistral class helicopter carrier.
    Dalzavod ship repair center will specialize in the repair of surface ships and submarines. As part of the modernization, a dry dock will be reconstructed, a Varshavyanka-type submarine repair center will be created, a repair quay for universal landing ships of the Mistral type will be built [4] . Construction of a slipway and synchrolift with a capacity of 5,000 tons, commissioning of a floating dock with a capacity of 35,600 tons, construction of a shelter for year-round operation over dry dock No. 1 is envisaged. The reconstruction program is designed for 15 years (2012–2027), the investment in the first 5 years will be 13 billion rubles.
    has this been done?. Apparently they are using yo upgrade udaloy class destroyers...

    https://sputniknews.com/russia/201802161061716699-russia-pacific-navy-destroyer-fire/
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:32 am

    So a large shipyard in the far east built with China in addition to the large shipyard in the far east built with South Korea... almost as if they are planning to build and operate large ships... spooky...
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:02 am

    I believe minor work was done but the project was canceled and no major progress was ever made
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:44 am

    Just found this regarding vostok-raffles shipyard in Vladivostok (article from 2017)

    http://www.eworldship.com/html/2017/Shipyards_0324/126161.html


    Google translate wrote:Zhenhua Heavy Industry ( stock ) enters the Russian market and will cooperate with Russia's largest shipbuilding group, the Russian Federation Shipbuilding Group, in the field of shipbuilding and shipbuilding equipment production.

    The Russian United Shipbuilding Group stated that on March 22, the company signed a memorandum of understanding on cooperation and joint operations with Shanghai Zhenhua Heavy Industry (Group) Co., Ltd. The two sides agreed to establish a working group and develop a road map for the implementation of the content of the memorandum.

    Sources pointed out that Russia and the United Shipbuilding Group and Shanghai Zhenhua Heavy Industries said the two sides intend to achieve Zhenhua Heavy Industries modern marine equipment localization of production work in Russia for the construction of floating crane ( Product Library Buy supplies ), pipes and cables ( Product library purchase and supply ) laying ship, dredging ship, super large cargo ship, drilling platform ( ship type shipyard trading ) auxiliary ship.

    The Russian United Shipbuilding Group (USC) was established in 2007, integrating 100% of the state-owned joint-stock companies in Russia's domestic shipbuilding industry, and Russia's largest shipbuilding group. The group has a total of 33 ship design and construction shipyards. The newly established head office consists of nine construction bureaus and three regional shipbuilding centres. The Western Shipbuilding Center consists of seven companies; the Northwest Shipbuilding Center consists of five companies; and the Far East Shipbuilding Center consists of 10 companies. There are both military shipyards and civilian shipyards.

    In the following years, the Russian United Shipbuilding Group established two large shipyards, Zvezda DSME and Vostok-Raffles, in the Far East through cooperation with foreign companies (including Daewoo Shipbuilding and Yantai Raffles). In September 2016, Hyundai Heavy Industries ( ship hangar location ) established a joint venture with the Russian Joint Shipbuilding Far East Shipbuilding and Repairing Center (Russian United Shipbuilding Holding Company) to focus on ship design and shipbuilding project management.

    It is understood that Zhenhua Heavy Industry has already prepared for entering Russia. In November 2015, Zhenhua Heavy Industries' Russian subsidiary was formally incorporated. Russia's strong industrial base, research strength in metal materials, welding ( Product Library Buy Supply ) technology, wear-resistant corrosion made great achievements, but the overall infrastructure is weak, Zhenhua Port Machinery and equipment, marine vessels The market potential is huge.

    The cooperation with the Russian joint shipbuilding group has laid a solid foundation for Zhenhua Heavy Industry to further develop the Russian and CIS countries.

    Furthermore, in their own website it is written that the shipyard should be build in 2021/2024

    http://vostokraffles.ru/about/


    VOSTOK-RAFFLS Joint-Stock Company (hereinafter referred to as the Company) was registered on 07.05.2010 in Vladivostok and is a joint venture of the Far Eastern Shipbuilding and Repair Center JSC and the Singapore-based VOSTOK OFFSHORE PTE . LTD ”included in the group of companies of PJSC“ NK “Rosneft”.

    The main purpose of the Society is to implement the project of a modern shipyard for offshore shipbuilding in the Far East of Russia. The construction site of the new shipbuilding complex of Vostok-Raffles JSC is located in the Bay of Five Hunters of the Ussuri Bay in the Shkotovsky district of the Primorsky Territory. The project to create a shipyard of offshore shipbuilding JSC "Vostok Ruffles" is the II stage of construction of the SCC "Zvezda" (the planned construction period 2021-2024 ).

    http://vostokraffles.ru/proekty/


    The shipbuilding complex “Zvezda” is located at two sites in the southern part of the Primorsky Territory on the western coast of Peter the Great Bay of the Sea of ​​Japan, on the coast of the Ussuriysk Gulf in the Bolshoy Kamen Bay and in the Bay of Five Hunters.

    The project of creating a shipyard of Vostok-Raffles JSC is the III phase of construction of the Svk Zvezda (the planned construction period is 2021-2024).

    The project is implemented in 3 stages.

    Stage 1 - Block production facilities and painting chambers.

    Phase 2 - Open outbuilding heavy stocks with saturation workshops, dry dock and outbuilding workshops.

    Stage 3 - Workshop unit and dry dock in Mysovaya settlement ( Vostok-Raffles site)

    Design is carried out in two stages.

    The essence of a two-stage design is that the documentation necessary for construction is not compiled immediately, but in stages: at the first stage (“I stage”) decisions are made on general issues of principle, then such decisions are comprehensively evaluated, corrected, approved and only after elimination of all identified deficiencies detailed working documentation for construction is being compiled. The advantage of such a system is to minimize the cost of processing project documentation in case of unsuccessful common solutions.

    In the two-stage design work is divided into 2 stages:

    - Stage Project (P)

    - stage Working documentation (PD)

    At the Project stage, the main architectural-planning and constructive decisions (including the master plan), decisions on engineering equipment and networks are made without specification. When designing environmental management facilities at this stage, decisions of a fundamental nature are made concerning the choice of the type of structure, its location, the main design decisions, the method of construction, etc. For industrial enterprises, schematic diagrams of technological processes are selected, general issues of management and labor protection are solved. Consolidated estimates are carried out, issues of construction organization are solved. A mandatory element of the project is the environmental section.

    To compile the project, special engineering surveys are ordered and performed. Such surveys are done in a reduced volume, but they should allow to draw conclusions about the suitability of the site, the preference of one or another type of foundation (shallow, pile, deep supports, etc.), i.e. allow to solve general issues of principle.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:34 pm

    That's for Zvesda shipyard not some new shipyard.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:31 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:That's for Zvesda shipyard not some new shipyard.

    The project of creating a shipyard of Vostok-Raffles JSC is the III phase of construction of the Svk Zvezda (the planned construction period is 2021-2024).

    Basically it will be managed together with Zvezda but it is a different site in, Vladivostok, not in Balshoi kamen where Zvezda is.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:15 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:That's for Zvesda shipyard not some new shipyard.

    The project of creating a shipyard of Vostok-Raffles JSC is the III phase of construction of the Svk Zvezda (the planned construction period is 2021-2024).

    Basically it will be managed together with Zvezda but it is a different site in, Vladivostok,  not in Balshoi kamen where Zvezda is.

    yes, I know but it's still "Part of" Zvezda shipyard it was never its own thing. This from day one part of it.

    I am pointing out people are going to think suddenly there are two new major shipyards when it's always been part of the same exact plan since day one, so this isn't news.

    Like they can't build a carrier at this site it's just for the repair of large hull vessels since Vlad doesn't really have that ability atm.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:39 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:That's for Zvesda shipyard not some new shipyard.

    The project of creating a shipyard of Vostok-Raffles JSC is the III phase of construction of the Svk Zvezda (the planned construction period is 2021-2024).

    Basically it will be managed together with Zvezda but it is a different site in, Vladivostok,  not in Balshoi kamen where Zvezda is.

    yes, I know but it's still "Part of" Zvezda shipyard it was never its own thing. This from day one part of it.

    I am pointing out people are going to think suddenly there are two new major shipyards when it's always been part of the same exact plan since day one, so this isn't news.

    Like they can't build a carrier at this site it's just for the repair of large hull vessels since Vlad doesn't really have that ability atm.

    If we apply the same reasoning then the shipyard in Kerch (Crimea) is the same shipyard as zelenodovsk, even if they are not in the same place because it is managed by the same company.

    Of course vladivostok and balshoi kamen are relatively closer to each other and also in the same region, but the 2 shipyards are more than 100km aparts, so they are not the same one.

    Anyway I did not suggest anywhere that they will produce aircraft carriers in Vladivostok. However, once the shipyard is created/modernised, they can use the site in Vladivostok to build fairly large civil ships (even if nothing the size of an aframax tanker) and maybe even destroyers and frigates for the navy if needed. This would free Zvezda in bolshoi kamen for the really huge ships (huge tankers and, if needed also aircraft carriers)
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:34 pm

    When I part of, I mean the plan. This was part of the original plan.

    I don't think that site is being enlarged to the point it can build something like a Lider, remember a lider is like a17kish size ship.

    That's a Guided Missile Cruiser, frigate sure they could manage it there, 10k ton DDs? sure probs could.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:57 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:When I part of, I mean the plan. This was part of the original plan.

    I don't think that site is being enlarged to the point it can build something like a Lider, remember a lider is like a17kish size ship.

    That's a Guided Missile Cruiser, frigate sure they could manage it there, 10k ton DDs? sure probs could.


    well that means that in 5 years they will have several places in the far east where they could build good escorting ships of the size of a udaloy class destroyer (e.g. a modern 22350M frigate/destroyer)

    According to what I read in this website

    http://kcmk.ru/en/enterprises/amursky/default.htm

    Amur shipyard is already capable of building such ships
    (Udaloy class destroyers have the following dimensions

    Displacement: 6,930 tons standard (7,570 tons full load)
    Length:163 m (535 ft)
    Beam:19.3 m (63 ft)
    Draught:6.2 m (20 ft)

    (and we can expect 22350M (Gorshkov-M) to be about the same)

    http://kcmk.ru/en/enterprises/amursky/default.htm wrote:
    The shipyard operates three covered slipways with the following dimensions:

    Berth A - 170.0×105.0m (three docks);
    Berth B - 235.2×119.2m (four docks);
    Berth C - 283.5×63.0m (two docks).
    These facilities enable the Amur Shipyard to build ships and vessels up to 195×19×6.2m in size. The docks are fitted with cranes of up to 100t lifting capacity

    If now the personnel got "retrained" after building a series of large corvettes 22380, they could be promoted to building frigates 22350 or frigates destroyer 22350M and/or 11711 LST for the pacific fleet.

    The corvettes could instead be built by vostochny yard in Vladivostok if they do a decent job with their first order of 22800 small corvettes/missile ships.

    And that is current 2019 capabilities.

    In 2024 the shipbuilding capability in the far east will have been increased by at least the equivalent of all the shipyards lost in Nicolayev.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:39 pm

    See thats what I am trying to clear up, upgrading that area in Vlad was always happening. Like you shouldn't count it has something new added onto the Zvesda expansion it was always part of the Zvesda expansion in the first place
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:51 pm

    Is the work to upgrade Severnaya Verf in Saint Petersburg
    proceeding as scheduled?
    About one and half years ago they signed a contract for work to be finished in 2019.

    https://www.bairdmaritime.com/ship-world/1261-metrostroy-signs-contract-for-new-russian-shipbuilding-facilities

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    METROSTROY SIGNS CONTRACT FOR NEW RUSSIAN SHIPBUILDING FACILITIES

    January 2, 2018

    Written by Baird Maritime

    Published in Ship World



    A new shipbuilding facility will be built at Russia's Severnaya Verf shipyard to allow it to build larger ships.

    As part of phase one, the United Shipbuilding Corporation subsidiary and Metrostroy have signed a contract for the construction of a slipway and a covered slip at the Gutuevsky Island shipyard off St Petersburg.

    Metrostroy will build a slipway ground with a covered double-slip dock measuring 250 metres by 140 metres by 75 metres.

    The dock will be equipped with 350-tonne bridge cranes and transfer equipment. The works are to be completed in the first quarter of 2019.

    Director General of Severnaya Verf shipyard Igor Ponomarev said the works would be financed by United Shipbuilding Corporation and the Federal Targeted Program.

    “The new facility will build large-capacity warships and civil vessels weighing up to 25,000 tonnes and (allow) assembly of pre-fabricated large blocks," said Mr Ponomarev. 

    "That will expand the range of shipyard’s products with new-generation frigates, landing craft, gas carriers and oil tankers.” 
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    Post  verkhoturye51 on Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:00 pm

    I saw it briefly mentioned in the media after Putin's visit last week.

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