Russian Naval Shipbuilding Industry: News

hoom wrote:https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3609282.html
Interesting stuff about staffing the big Zvezda shipyard in the East.

Namely they're nicking staff from a bunch of other shipyards.
Which could partially explain slowdown in output from other yards.

kvs wrote:More contextless claims about lack of Russian ability.    

How big are the delays that they would reflect "lack of a competent labour pool".   It takes 15 years to educate a person.   Let's
say they just need retraining.   That takes a good 5 years of education and shop learning (work experience).    None
of the delays reflect some workforce retraining necessity.  

I have been reading about how the sky is falling ever since Banderastan stopped supplying its Soviet era gas turbines
to Russia.   Now Russia has fully replaced these models with more efficient designs (yes, more efficient judging by
the exhaust temperature and applying the laws of thermodynamics).    But people are still running around squawking
like its 2014.  

PapaDragon wrote:

hoom wrote:https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3609282.html
Interesting stuff about staffing the big Zvezda shipyard in the East.

Namely they're nicking staff from a bunch of other shipyards.
Which could partially explain slowdown in output from other yards.

This is very good development

Efficient shipyards will attract qualified workforce, this is how you properly populate Far East

It's a win-win situation

Navy can now finally capitalize on this by ordering combat ships from Zvezda

And other shipyards can use this opportunity to increase investments in training new workforce and improving their income

But we all know that they will just keep whining and squealing about conspiracies

United Shipbuilding Corporation has been trying for years to take control of Pella Shipyard because they were swiping their contracts and making them look bad in comparison

GarryB wrote:

Lol their record speaks for it's self.

From the squealing of some members on this forum you would think the Russian military was ordering like the Chinese government, and the Russian shipyards were delivering nothing at all.

There have been a few delays, and a few issues, but all these salty tears are fanboy tears that they can brag about the navy...

Just sad really.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

GarryB wrote:

Lol their record speaks for it's self.

From the squealing of some members on this forum you would think the Russian military was ordering like the Chinese government, and the Russian shipyards were delivering nothing at all.

There have been a few delays, and a few issues, but all these salty tears are fanboy tears that they can brag about the navy...

Just sad really.

Yeah yeah white knight all you want Garry numbers speak the truth people do not, that's one reason I always liked math it doesn't give you BS or try and Feed you BS from whatever biased position you wish to take. It's the cold hard truth is all.

A day will come where russia doesn't have a shipbuilding problem and when it does good for them. I hope the day comes sooner rather than later but that day isn't today or tomorrow.

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

GarryB wrote:

Lol their record speaks for it's self.

From the squealing of some members on this forum you would think the Russian military was ordering like the Chinese government, and the Russian shipyards were delivering nothing at all.

There have been a few delays, and a few issues, but all these salty tears are fanboy tears that they can brag about the navy...

Just sad really.

Yeah yeah white knight all you want Garry numbers speak the truth people do not, that's one reason I always liked math it doesn't give you BS or try and Feed you BS from whatever biased position you wish to take. It's the cold hard truth is all.

A day will come where russia doesn't have a shipbuilding problem and when it does good for them. I hope the day comes sooner rather than later but that day isn't today or tomorrow.

 the problems were a lot: lack of funds, lack of stable orders (basically no new orders for both civilian and surface naval ships for almost two decades), some of the biggest shipyards that ended up in a foreign country, the only naval gas turbine plant (also main producer of reduction gears and possibly was also producing some of the diesel engines) also ended up abroad. This also caused the loss of an incredible number of experienced professionals that were not replaced in the years. Furthermore much of the building technologies and techniques were not modernised and not at the latest standarf of, as an example, modern.western and south Korean shipyards. Some of the personnel problems were also shared by some.sectors of the aeronautical industry (see Ilyushin).

What would you have done better, starting from let say 2008, to improve the situation?


(Short of taking a time machine, going back to 1985 and replacing Gorbachev with Nazarbayev?)

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

GarryB wrote:

Lol their record speaks for it's self.

From the squealing of some members on this forum you would think the Russian military was ordering like the Chinese government, and the Russian shipyards were delivering nothing at all.

There have been a few delays, and a few issues, but all these salty tears are fanboy tears that they can brag about the navy...

Just sad really.

Yeah yeah white knight all you want Garry numbers speak the truth people do not, that's one reason I always liked math it doesn't give you BS or try and Feed you BS from whatever biased position you wish to take. It's the cold hard truth is all.

A day will come where russia doesn't have a shipbuilding problem and when it does good for them. I hope the day comes sooner rather than later but that day isn't today or tomorrow.

 the problems were a lot: lack of funds, lack of stable orders (basically no new orders for both civilian and surface naval ships for almost two decades), some of the biggest shipyards that ended up in a foreign country, the only naval gas turbine plant (also main producer of reduction gears and possibly was also producing some of the diesel engines) also ended up abroad. This also caused the loss of an incredible number of experienced professionals that were not replaced in the years. Furthermore much of the building technologies and techniques were not modernised and not at the latest standarf of, as an example, modern.western and south Korean shipyards. Some of the personnel problems were also shared by some.sectors of the aeronautical industry (see Ilyushin).

What would you have done better, starting from let say 2008, to improve the situation?


(Short of taking a time machine, going back to 1985 and replacing Gorbachev with Nazarbayev?)

You forgot to add bad management and a few other things but yes those are some of their issues.

That's hard to say, I know what they did wrong and I know how to correct does that mean I would do better? maybe not maybe so. I can't really answer a question like that with a yes or no.

I deal in reality what in what's if or maybes.

I have said Putin needs to take the guy who runs PELLA and put him in charge of the entire USC because it's current management has shown to be incompetent and corrupt, that guy knows how to get the job done.

PapaDragon wrote:

hoom wrote:https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3609282.html
Interesting stuff about staffing the big Zvezda shipyard in the East.

Namely they're nicking staff from a bunch of other shipyards.
Which could partially explain slowdown in output from other yards.

This is very good development

Efficient shipyards will attract qualified workforce, this is how you properly populate Far East

It's a win-win situation

Navy can now finally capitalize on this by ordering combat ships from Zvezda

Truck wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

hoom wrote:https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3609282.html
Interesting stuff about staffing the big Zvezda shipyard in the East.

Namely they're nicking staff from a bunch of other shipyards.
Which could partially explain slowdown in output from other yards.

This is very good development

Efficient shipyards will attract qualified workforce, this is how you properly populate Far East

It's a win-win situation

Navy can now finally capitalize on this by ordering combat ships from Zvezda

And which important military ship will be ordered to the Zvezda shipyard?

Chop, chop...

Reality coming like a truck, like Eehnie predicted

kvs wrote:It looks like Americans and NATO denizens in general are afflicted with the wishful thinking fantasy projection disease.
They really think that if they trash talk about Russia hard enough that reality will deform to suit their desires.  
Pathetic clowns.  

If it was 2004, then these "skeptics" (more like deniers) would have some plausibility in their nay saying.   But not
today.   Recall the chicken little forecasts about the Banderastani termination of the supply of specific models of gas turbines
two years ago on this forum.   According to the "skeptics" Russia was never going to replace these obsolete models
and would have to shop for Chinese ones.    Now that this BS has been exposed as utterly detached from reality we
have round two of chicken little predictions about how Russia can't build these engines.   WTF.  Get a frigging life
you clowns.   Russia can build jet engines and gas turbines, but just not these specific models that it has developed?

How much more of this troll crap will we have to wade through to get any value out of these threads.   Either post
something substantial or GTFO.    Your wishful thinking is totally irrelevant.  

LMFS wrote:

kvs wrote:It looks like Americans and NATO denizens in general are afflicted with the wishful thinking fantasy projection disease.
They really think that if they trash talk about Russia hard enough that reality will deform to suit their desires.  
Pathetic clowns.  

If it was 2004, then these "skeptics" (more like deniers) would have some plausibility in their nay saying.   But not
today.   Recall the chicken little forecasts about the Banderastani termination of the supply of specific models of gas turbines
two years ago on this forum.   According to the "skeptics" Russia was never going to replace these obsolete models
and would have to shop for Chinese ones.    Now that this BS has been exposed as utterly detached from reality we
have round two of chicken little predictions about how Russia can't build these engines.   WTF.  Get a frigging life
you clowns.   Russia can build jet engines and gas turbines, but just not these specific models that it has developed?

How much more of this troll crap will we have to wade through to get any value out of these threads.   Either post
something substantial or GTFO.    Your wishful thinking is totally irrelevant.  

Maybe they suffer from the Karl Rove's "We are an empire and we create reality" syndrome

But what you say is more relevant than many may think. What you are complaining from, for its effects in the forum, is just the reflection of a very well thought and consistently implemented Western propaganda strategy of questioning all and everything that Russia does that has two main effects: create doubts in the international community about the capabilities and future of Russia with the aim of containing their development, and to get into the own Russians' minds, taking advantage of some historical events to provoke a feeling of inferiority and demoralisation, what is worse (the forum is proof of it), it works.

Narrative control is the ultimate power. Anglozionism inherited it from their banking overlords (financials are nothing but reputation in the end) and they apply it with unmatched skill. Sad we fall for it so easily.

GarryB wrote:Propaganda... Russia can do nothing right and they should fire everyone right now.... blah blah blah.

There are a lot of problems with ship building in Russia but I rather doubt we know very much about that.

The Ivan Gren case is a good example... if the design is bad... a scaled up river boat supposed to do the job of who knows what, then they went with Mistrals instead, and then back to the IG... it is hardly the shipyards fault if the Russian Navy clearly doesn't know what it wants or keeps changing its mind and shifts its goals on a monthly basis.

But obviously you know better because clearly you have Russias best interests at heart...

Isos wrote:Russia needs (needed) to replace a verrry big part of its navy. No surprise they are a little bit lost about what to produce and when to produce it.

They wanted 30 Gorshkov frigates to replace the few that Soviet union operated.

They wanted 12 Lider while SU operated only 4 kirov nuclear powered and 3 slavas.

They have no destroyer planed while SU operated 4 or 5 different classes of destroyers in 91. It was the main type of big ship in SU.

They want new corvettes and speed boats but want every new design showed to them while every one is designed around a set of uksk.

They need IG to replace landing ships which were already old before syrian compain.


And all that with less shipyards than SU and less experienced workers.

GarryB wrote:
That would suit the US right to the ground knowing they would never come face to face with Russian ships on the high seas and they can impose their imperial will around the planet with impunity... now if only they can convince those chinese to do the same...