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    Post  medo on Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:23 pm

    This thread contains content from another thread that these posts were really not related to.

    This thread ends up being about women in the military but being the international politics section you can talk about any countries military and not just women in service.

    hoom wrote:Also Marching Girls were present Very Happy
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    Tsar Peter the Great would like them in his NAVY. Very Happy
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:17 pm

    hoom wrote:Also Marching Girls were present Very Happy

    Real girls!

    In the West we'd have a troop of "trans-women" shaking their fake tits while libtard SJWs wave rainbow flags and some pet cuck of a navy spokesman struggles to mix LGBTQWERTY themes into the speech without making it sound contrived (yes, an impossible task).  Suspect
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    Post  medo on Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:41 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    hoom wrote:Also Marching Girls were present Very Happy

    Real girls!

    In the West we'd have a troop of "trans-women" shaking their fake tits while libtard SJWs wave rainbow flags and some pet cuck of a navy spokesman struggles to mix LGBTQWERTY themes into the speech without making it sound contrived (yes, an impossible task).  Suspect

    This Russian drums team girls are often present at ship launching ceremonies in StP. It seems in Russia in girl's groups are still real girls members. But if I understand you correctly, in the West political correctness already enforced LGBT quotas in girl's groups. And the West still thinks, they could win in war against real power. They could not defend themselves even against muslim immigrants. lol1
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:59 am

    medo wrote:This Russian drums team girls are often present at ship launching ceremonies in StP. It seems in Russia in girl's groups are still real girls members. But if I understand you correctly, in the West political correctness already enforced LGBT quotas in girl's groups. And the West still thinks, they could win in war against real power. They could not defend themselves even against muslim immigrants. lol1

    Russian troops don't have to undergo training in Gender Studies or Diversity Appreciation, and don't have to accept female combat troops who will only be a &ucking burden and pain in the arse in actual combat operation.  They also don't need to tolerate the prancing fags who demand the right to be openly "gay and proud".  Russian combat vets in leadership roles don't get their ticket punched because they remark to their men that they don't do that "faggot stuff".  Suspect

    NATOstani combat forces are being steadily cucked, but that's a good thing.  Sun Tzu said that when your enemy is making a mistake, don't interrupt him....  Twisted Evil

    Apologies for OT, but this "issue" makes my blood boil like nothing else does...
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    Post  hoom on Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:42 am

    don't have to accept female combat troops who will only be a &ucking burden and pain in the arse in actual combat operation
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:16 am

    Not all women r created equal:
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:29 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Not all women r created equal:


    Or Xena from New Zealand  lol1  lol1  lol1 GarryB should know her better

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:47 am

    That's fiction!
    Females now serve on the USN SSBNs. There r also some pilots. Don't know how good their performance compared to males.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:38 am

    Or Xena from New Zealand  lol1  lol1  lol1 GarryB should know her better

    Yeah... thats Lucy... she lives down the street... everyone in New Zealand knows each other... it is not a big place....  What a Face

    Regarding this gender respect stuff and feminism... in Desert Storm there was a ship nicknamed the Love Boat, because over half the crew were women... the Navy was so proud... so many brownie points I am surprised they didn't send a camera crew and make a TV show about them... except when it came time to actually go to Desert Storm to a real war something like 80% of the women crew suddenly got pregnant and couldn't go... obviously the ship couldn't go without replacement crew.

    I remember reading Soldier of Fortune magazine in the 80s and 90s and they would talk about units with women in them where the men did the extra work to cover for the fact that the women were not physically strong enough to do their job... officers would see logistics units shifting boxes of ammo... what they didn't see was that the boxes were empty because the women in the unit couldn't move the full boxes... that is training to win...

    Career soldiers couldn't say anything... one soldier left the army because he said to one woman recruit that was struggling to handle the M60 machine gun that she didn't need to worry because she would likely never get to use it... I say left, but I mean kicked...

    Made my blood boil too...

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    Females now serve on the USN SSBNs. There r also some pilots. Don't know how good their performance compared to males.

    There are some jobs women are better than men at... I have read that being a sniper requires patience and women can be very good at it, but when you mix in PC where she is in the job because if she can't get combat roles it hurts her chance of promotion... even though most women tend to get promoted faster than men anyway... because we don't want to be seen as sexist... if you can promote a man or a woman you promote the woman or risk being labelled sexist...


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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:59 am

    Yes, in boot camp they r not pushed as hard as guys. Sexual assaults r all time high in the US military, & a few years back 1 female B-52 pilot was kicked out of the AF for adultery. Some die for their stupidity, like sticking a screwdriver in a hole on a mounted a/c tire & loosing her head, & jumping out of a truck cab while it was falling on its side. So it's a mixed bag.
    China, NK & Israel also have female combat troops- again, don't know how good they r at their jobs.
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    Post  kumbor on Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:44 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    According to available data, economic speed of pr/677 SSK on batteries is 650NM @3knots, which is a decent figure, not far from stirling driven swedish boats. If future russian AIP can achieve 1000NM range @, say, 6 knots it can be real step forward! It corresponds to 4x bigger energy capacity, or something like that.

    Russian subs don't have to go anywhere, the real value in AIP is not having to surface.

    Off the top of my head I seem to remember the stats being something like the Kilo can stay underwater for 5-7 days, while the Lada with the new batteries can do more than twice that, and with the AIP it extends to 3-4 weeks underwater but not zipping round at high speed of course.

    The talk was that the new batteries plus the AIP basically made them nuke powered equivalents in terms of time underwater... but without the speed of a nuke of course.

    Their sensors and equipment including land attack cruise missiles and the like also make them nuke like in performance... but as mentioned the first in the series did not meet expectations to start with... they found and fixed the problems and now they are finishing number two and three and likely making one or two more.

    Or Xena from New Zealand  lol1  lol1  lol1 GarryB should know her better

    Yeah... thats Lucy... she lives down the street... everyone in New Zealand knows each other... it is not a big place....  What a Face

    Regarding this gender respect stuff and feminism... in Desert Storm there was a ship nicknamed the Love Boat, because over half the crew were women... the Navy was so proud... so many brownie points I am surprised they didn't send a camera crew and make a TV show about them... except when it came time to actually go to Desert Storm to a real war something like 80% of the women crew suddenly got pregnant and couldn't go... obviously the ship couldn't go without replacement crew.

    I remember reading Soldier of Fortune magazine in the 80s and 90s and they would talk about units with women in them where the men did the extra work to cover for the fact that the women were not physically strong enough to do their job... officers would see logistics units shifting boxes of ammo... what they didn't see was that the boxes were empty because the women in the unit couldn't move the full boxes... that is training to win...

    Career soldiers couldn't say anything... one soldier left the army because he said to one woman recruit that was struggling to handle the M60 machine gun that she didn't need to worry because she would likely never get to use it... I say left, but I mean kicked...

    Made my blood boil too...

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    Females now serve on the USN SSBNs. There r also some pilots. Don't know how good their performance compared to males.

    There are some jobs women are better than men at... I have read that being a sniper requires patience and women can be very good at it, but when you mix in PC where she is in the job because if she can't get combat roles it hurts her chance of promotion... even though most women tend to get promoted faster than men anyway... because we don't want to be seen as sexist... if you can promote a man or a woman you promote the woman or risk being labelled sexist...

    There is a clear difficulty for women to fly supersonic fighter plane. With high G numbers breast bounce wildly and tend to fly off! it`s not funny, it is very painful and even dangerous. Also during monthly cycles the "content" is prone to leak furiously when flying high G and manoeuvering fast!
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:00 am

    Actually women are generally shorter than men and therefore better able to handle high g forces, but I agree that statistically women are not aggressive killers, so therefore will not relentlessly hunt down a kill opponents... but then not all men are like that either.

    Of course there were quite a few Soviet snipers that were rather effective during WWII, and of course the Night Witches showed they could be effective night attack bomber crews too.

    I remember reading an account by a German officer where early in the war his unit took a village that had be rather well protected by an anti aircraft gun that stopped the German forces for quite some time and did some serious damage to the German unit... he was quite shocked when they finally killed them and found it was a female AA gun unit... he said he illusions of just walking into the Soviet Union like they walked into other European states just was not going to happen this time...

    Of course during war time things are different... sometimes everyone has to fight. I understand that.

    The problem I have is... I am a female... I should be put in a combat unit otherwise it will effect my promotion prospects... even if I don't deserve promotion and would be totally useless to any unit I was assigned to.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:55 am

    GarryB wrote:Actually women are generally shorter than men and therefore better able to handle high g forces, but I agree that statistically women are not aggressive killers, so therefore will not relentlessly hunt down a kill opponents... but then not all men are like that either.

    Of course there were quite a few Soviet snipers that were rather effective during WWII, and of course the Night Witches showed they could be effective night attack bomber crews too.

    I remember reading an account by a German officer where early in the war his unit took a village that had be rather well protected by an anti aircraft gun that stopped the German forces for quite some time and did some serious damage to the German unit... he was quite shocked when they finally killed them and found it was a female AA gun unit... he said he illusions of just walking into the Soviet Union like they walked into other European states just was not going to happen this time...

    Of course during war time things are different... sometimes everyone has to fight. I understand that.

    The problem I have is... I am a female... I should be put in a combat unit otherwise it will effect my promotion prospects... even if I don't deserve promotion and would be totally useless to any unit I was assigned to.

    You need to get that entitlement out of your head, it's like this you try for the unit you want if you make it you do, I would not follow the orders of a commander who did not earn their position. I do agree woman aren't as effective as men in frontline combat, personal experience tells me they ain't. I'll provide some examples.

    1. One day we were on Patrol in Afghan, we had a woman with us, her period came and well we had to drop out of it.

    2. One was unable to keep up with us, she got tired quicker and so again we had to drop out.

    3. She had to carry a lighter load of gear and has a result others had to carry some of it for her.

    4. In simulated combat, woman are more maneuverable but are more limited than their male equals due to physical ability. They performed lower in all standards, I mean sure you can find those 1 or two here and there who can do it, but those are rare.

    In positions where like you said they simply sit in an aircraft, man a mounted weapon, that works for them. Heck Assad tends to use woman has vehicle crewman because it works in that way.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:44 am

    The problem as I see it is some people don't believe things are right until half the people are x, where x is the minority/victim.

    That might be native american, or gay, or a woman, or whatever.

    The problem is that people should be where they are on merit, not because we needed two more women or two more gays to get some artificial feeling of equality.

    Putting someone in a job for any reason other than they are the best choice for the job is stupid and wrong.

    Whether you got the job because your daddy owns the company, or because you are black and a gay and a woman and we don't have enough of those on staff yet... it is not good for an effective work environment... especially if you can't criticise them and any mistakes they make get blamed on those around them.

    4. In simulated combat, woman are more maneuverable but are more limited than their male equals due to physical ability. They performed lower in all standards, I mean sure you can find those 1 or two here and there who can do it, but those are rare.

    But the problem is that the few that would be good wont be given a fair go because she just seems like another token woman for the PR department to interview and put in adverts for the Armed forces...

    The other problem is that if one can do it they might demand 50% representation of females... or all female units...

    I have no problem with women in the military, but they need to earn it like everyone else.

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