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    Post  Djoka on Thu Oct 02, 2014 1:46 pm

    Can somebody explain why the hell are they wasting money on t-72 upgrades????Or btr-82??They want a modern military right?How can you have a modern military with dynosours like those??Why not buy t-90 and upgrade those,or btr-90????
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    Post  Asf on Thu Oct 02, 2014 3:26 pm

    How can you have a modern military with dynosours like those??

    What dynosaurous do you find in T-72B3 or BTR-82A?


    Can somebody explain why the hell are they wasting money on t-72 upgrades?

    Because it will take years to rearm all units with new-gen platforms plus to create reserve needed. And the modern army is needed now. Plus T-72B3 is much cheaper than T-90 with little to no real combat effectiveness margin, espessially if you'll take into the account number of money needed to waste to recycle good T-72s from reserve storages.
    And the prise of BTR-90 will be astronomical because there is no production powers needed to produce BTR-90s in serie. It's better to create new production lines for Bumerang, using old-proven lines for BTR-82A until then. Combat effectiveness of BTR-82A and BTR-90 still dosen't really differ that much.

     they did not stop buying BMP-3M.

    And rumored BMP-3F (for Naval Infantry)
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    Post  Vympel on Thu Oct 02, 2014 4:53 pm

    GarryB wrote:

    They stopped buying BMP-3, they did not stop buying BMP-3M.

    That would imply that they've started, but I've never seen a BMP-3M (whether Kurganmashzavod's offering or KBP Tula's Bakhacha-U intergrated on the BMP-3 chassis) in Russian service.
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    Post  Mike E on Thu Oct 02, 2014 10:04 pm

    Djoka wrote:Can somebody explain why the hell are they wasting money on t-72 upgrades????Or btr-82??They want a modern military right?How can you have a modern military with dynosours like those??Why not buy t-90 and upgrade those,or btr-90????
    T-72 upgrades are effective, cheap, and reliable. - They should last decade(s)! BTR-82 is the same thing... Cheap, efficient, effective, reliable etc. Plus, they are only a couple years away from the Armata, which should revolutionize their armed forces. 

    The T-90 is an upgraded T-72, see the irony? - The B3 should be just as capable, if a little inferior. At the same time they are cheaper. BTR-90 had many problems, or so I've heard.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Oct 03, 2014 10:03 am

    The BTR-90 cost almost as much as a BMP-2 but did not have the same armour and mobility levels.

    The BTR-90 would be a direct competitor to Boomerang except with inferior troop exit and also inferior armour and communications and electronics.

    The BTR-82 on the other hand is a cheap light functional vehicle with updated comms and improved vision and weapon system.

    Think of these purchases as a stopgap till the real replacement is ready.

    They could spend a fortune on the stopgap... BTR-90, T-90AM, but that would leave less money for the new vehicles.

    The key is that the new vehicles have optics that allow fighting and training at night and in bad weather, and that they have modern comms and data link capability and BMS to allow modern training.


    That would imply that they've started, but I've never seen a BMP-3M (whether Kurganmashzavod's offering or KBP Tula's Bakhacha-U intergrated on the BMP-3 chassis) in Russian service.

    I would expect some were bought for testing.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Oct 05, 2014 1:47 am

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Oct 08, 2014 7:15 am

    Sad news guys. I just found out that BitnikGR's youtube channel was deleted for 3rd party violations. 'Twas a cornucopia of Russian military video translated in to English. No Sad cry
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    Post  Werewolf on Wed Oct 08, 2014 7:18 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Sad news guys. I just found out that BitnikGR's youtube channel was deleted for 3rd party violations. 'Twas a cornucopia of Russian military video translated in to English. No Sad cry

    Yes, have to wait till he has a new channel or sorts out what this is about.

    Anna News despite having all rights for all their own videos was deleted already 2 times because they are alternative news agency especially on Syria and Ukraine and have direct footage of battlefield and the narrative of our western MSM always claimed Assad kills own citizens while Anna News have shown several times on videos how tank columns escort school buses and evacuate parts of cities with fire support against terrorists.
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    Post  kvs on Wed Oct 08, 2014 2:55 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Sad news guys. I just found out that BitnikGR's youtube channel was deleted for 3rd party violations. 'Twas a cornucopia of Russian military video translated in to English. No Sad cry

    Freedom of expression, western style.

    I would like to see the clowns who run Youtube provide a single piece of evidence that some copyright holder complained against Bitnik.

    But they won't since we live in an era of secret evidence and only lip-service "rights" of the individual.
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    Post  Mike E on Wed Oct 08, 2014 4:28 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Sad news guys. I just found out that BitnikGR's youtube channel was deleted for 3rd party violations. 'Twas a cornucopia of Russian military video translated in to English. No Sad cry

    That really sucks, checked my account and he is gone! cry
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Wed Oct 08, 2014 9:23 pm

    Mike E wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:Sad news guys. I just found out that BitnikGR's youtube channel was deleted for 3rd party violations. 'Twas a cornucopia of Russian military video translated in to English. No Sad cry

    That really sucks, checked my account and he is gone! cry
    Nooo, he had so many great vids, curse you google. angry angry
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    Post  Viktor on Wed Oct 08, 2014 9:26 pm

    Bal and Bastion will also join 2015 Victory Parade Very Happy

    Victory Parade 2015 will be a big
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    Post  kvs on Wed Oct 08, 2014 9:31 pm

    Viktor wrote:Bal and Bastion will also join 2015 Victory Parade Very Happy

    Victory Parade 2015 will be a big

    Can't wait for the unveiling of the Armata.
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    Post  Mike E on Wed Oct 08, 2014 10:06 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Viktor wrote:Bal and Bastion will also join 2015 Victory Parade Very Happy

    Victory Parade 2015 will be a big

    Can't wait for the unveiling of the Armata.
    I can't wait for the event itself! Not only the Armata, but it will have the future of Russian armed forces for years to come!!!
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Oct 09, 2014 1:03 am

    Mike E wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    Viktor wrote:Bal and Bastion will also join 2015 Victory Parade Very Happy

    Victory Parade 2015 will be a big

    Can't wait for the unveiling of the Armata.
    I can't wait for the event itself! Not only the Armata, but it will have the future of Russian armed forces for years to come!!!

    Victory Parade 2015 will be cool, however it will pale in comparison to RAE 2015. Here's RAE 2013, pretty damn entertaining event:

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    Post  Mike E on Thu Oct 09, 2014 1:11 am

    Why? Sure, we will get to see them perform, but they will be revealed at VD. Either event is great, more so with the new equipment and vehicles...

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    Post  Viktor on Fri Oct 10, 2014 5:30 pm

    Lots of good news

    The main supply of arms for the army of the Russian Federation are scheduled for the 4th quarter

    The Russian army has received early 108 self-propelled howitzers

    In Russia completed the development of new steel for military vehicles
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    Post  TR1 on Fri Oct 10, 2014 9:07 pm

    Viktor wrote:

    The Russian army has received early 108 self-propelled howitzers

    That is the sound of the unified chassis argument going farther and farther down the drain.
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    Post  Austin on Sat Oct 11, 2014 10:08 am

    Ilya Kramnik has write up on Defence Cuts

    As far as Russia could cut military spending in the next 10-15 years?

    Accounting for sacred cows
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Oct 11, 2014 11:38 am

    there will be plenty of units that don't have unified vehicles for quite some time.

    Until there are enough for everyone then upgraded vehicles that are available and in service in numbers for which there are spare parts and lots of trained people able to work on them makes economic sense.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:38 am

    Aviasalon JSC - Oboronexpo 2014 : The Invincible & Legendary Tank Show [1080p]

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    Post  Viktor on Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:13 pm

    Nice, I expected this Very Happy


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    Post  Austin on Fri Oct 31, 2014 9:05 am

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    Post  acatomic on Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:09 am

    Ural?

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    Anybody know the name of this truck?

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    Post  TheArmenian on Sun Nov 02, 2014 7:08 am

    acatomic wrote:
    Anybody know the name of this truck?

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    That is the new GAZon Next. Which went on sale last week. The picture you posted is the military version.

    http://gazonnext.ru/

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