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    Post  Book. on Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:23 am

    George1 wrote:Over 900 Russian Tank Operators Take Part in Night Drills

    900 T72 nite wow!

    Nato can no do like this! lol1
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    Post  Guest on Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:17 am

    Book. wrote:
    George1 wrote:Over 900 Russian Tank Operators Take Part in Night Drills

    900 T72 nite wow!

    Nato can no do like this! lol1
    I'm not sure any NATO country save the US has 900 tanks even combat ready. Probably a good portion are T-72B3s too.

    Wonder what they are doing such large scale night ops training? Maybe getting ready to roll over the Ukrops for a third time. russia
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    Post  franco on Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:54 pm

    New Field Camps, believe this to be the 6th delivered;
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    Sorry but it is about half way down the page. The last time I link that site.
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    Post  George1 on Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:07 am

    Supplier of communication systems for the Armed Forces got rid of Ukrainian components
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    Post  Viktor on Wed Jul 29, 2015 8:12 pm

    Nice thumbsup

    Source: Panzer Army will be formed near Moscow for the winter

    and

    A source in the General Staff: the new Panzer Army in Russia will receive the first "Armata"
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    Post  George1 on Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:11 am

    Viktor wrote:Nice  thumbsup

    Source: Panzer Army will be formed near Moscow for the winter

    and

    A source in the General Staff: the new Panzer Army in Russia will receive the first "Armata"

    "Panzer" sounds too German name..
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:46 pm

    "Schwabe" has developed a new generation of thermal imaging module

    Holding "Schwabe" has developed a new module for thermal imaging scopes, binoculars and monoculars with improved performance - increased range and extended field of vision.

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    The new device, created by specialists of the Holding Company - JSC "Schwabe - Devices", has all the necessary processing functions and adjusting the black and white video for high quality thermal images. The range of the spectral sensitivity of the module is between 8 and 14 microns, the frame rate - 50 Hz. The product is implemented the ability to work from two independent power sources with automatic switching from the primary to the backup source and back.

    "The new thermal imaging module" Schwabe "received a full-frame sensor with high sensitivity. As a result, the range of object recognition has increased from 1,500 to 2,000 meters, and a 15% increase in the field of view than our previous-generation devices. On the technical characteristics of the module is on par with the best world analogues ", - said General Director of JSC" Schwabe - Devices " Vasily Rassokhin.
    The launch of the new device in mass production scheduled for the end of 2015.

    "Schwabe" has developed a new generation of thermal imaging module

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    Post  Cyberspec on Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:45 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:"Schwabe" has developed a new generation of thermal imaging module

    Sounds impressive...good find

    George1 wrote:
    Viktor wrote:Nice thumbsup

    Source: Panzer Army will be formed near Moscow for the winter

    and

    A source in the General Staff: the new Panzer Army in Russia will receive the first "Armata"

    "Panzer" sounds too German name..

    It's 1st Guards Tank Army
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    Post  franco on Fri Jul 31, 2015 6:37 pm

    Units on January 1st were only 90% staffed plus new units have been formed this year. The soldiers will be put to good use, the civilians not sure about.

    This is all part of the reorganized Rear Services or Logistics;

    - Hospitals downsized at 6 Central and 7 District
    - 131 Repair plants reduced to 26 (some of the rest closed or outsourced to Manufacturers)
    - 112 arsenals,depots,etc reduced to 15 ammo and 15 technical depots
    - 377 repair & logistic units reduced to 24 logistic bases

    Plans expected to eliminate 125,000 civilian positions overall.
    On the other side, all military positions at the bases and units that can be done by civilians will do so.
    The last figure that I saw, was projecting this to be around 600,000 civilian employees of the Ministry of Defense in the end.
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    Post  sepheronx on Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:12 pm

    franco wrote:Units on January 1st were only 90% staffed plus new units have been formed this year. The soldiers will be put to good use, the civilians not sure about.

    This is all part of the reorganized Rear Services or Logistics;

    - Hospitals downsized at 6 Central and 7 District
    - 131 Repair plants reduced to 26 (some of the rest closed or outsourced to Manufacturers)
    - 112 arsenals,depots,etc reduced to 15 ammo and 15 technical depots
    - 377 repair & logistic units reduced to 24 logistic bases

    Plans expected to eliminate 125,000 civilian positions overall.
    On the other side, all military positions at the bases and units that can be done by civilians will do so.
    The last figure that I saw, was projecting this to be around 600,000 civilian employees of the Ministry of Defense in the end.

    How many civillians working for ministry of defense before?

    Is cutting down to only 26 repair plants from 131 a good idea? That is a massive cut. I would have just privatized some and then give the rest to manufacturers. Do we know how many are going to manufacturers?
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    Post  Werewolf on Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:15 pm

    franco wrote:Units on January 1st were only 90% staffed plus new units have been formed this year. The soldiers will be put to good use, the civilians not sure about.

    This is all part of the reorganized Rear Services or Logistics;

    - Hospitals downsized at 6 Central and 7 District
    - 131 Repair plants reduced to 26 (some of the rest closed or outsourced to Manufacturers)
    - 112 arsenals,depots,etc reduced to 15 ammo and 15 technical depots
    - 377 repair & logistic units reduced to 24 logistic bases

    Plans expected to eliminate 125,000 civilian positions overall.
    On the other side, all military positions at the bases and units that can be done by civilians will do so.
    The last figure that I saw, was projecting this to be around 600,000 civilian employees of the Ministry of Defense in the end.

    Sounds like a massive mistike and in actual tactical warfare between NATO and Russia like a suicide. Logistics is dictating military success not the otherway around.
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    Post  franco on Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:29 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    franco wrote:Units on January 1st were only 90% staffed plus new units have been formed this year. The soldiers will be put to good use, the civilians not sure about.

    This is all part of the reorganized Rear Services or Logistics;

    - Hospitals downsized at 6 Central and 7 District
    - 131 Repair plants reduced to 26 (some of the rest closed or outsourced to Manufacturers)
    - 112 arsenals,depots,etc reduced to 15 ammo and 15 technical depots
    - 377 repair & logistic units reduced to 24 logistic bases

    Plans expected to eliminate 125,000 civilian positions overall.
    On the other side, all military positions at the bases and units that can be done by civilians will do so.
    The last figure that I saw, was projecting this to be around 600,000 civilian employees of the Ministry of Defense in the end.

    How many civillians working for ministry of defense before?

    Is cutting down to only 26 repair plants from 131 a good idea?  That is a massive cut. I would have just privatized some and then give the rest to manufacturers.  Do we know how many are going to manufacturers?

    At the turn of the century, the authorized strength was 860,000 of which about 25% was vacant. But then, there was almost 1.2 million soldiers. As for the repair plants, most were taken over by the Manufacturer. A lot of these plants were aircraft, ships and armored vehicles etc. All things that could be done best by the manufacture anyway. It will free up around 34,000 troops for front line duties from the non-medical side part alone.
    Not sure what ended up in regards to the Medical Service. At one point they were transferring 16,000 positions from servicemen to civilians but then decided that was too extreme. I suspect about half ended up getting transferred.
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    Post  sepheronx on Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:34 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    franco wrote:Units on January 1st were only 90% staffed plus new units have been formed this year. The soldiers will be put to good use, the civilians not sure about.

    This is all part of the reorganized Rear Services or Logistics;

    - Hospitals downsized at 6 Central and 7 District
    - 131 Repair plants reduced to 26 (some of the rest closed or outsourced to Manufacturers)
    - 112 arsenals,depots,etc reduced to 15 ammo and 15 technical depots
    - 377 repair & logistic units reduced to 24 logistic bases

    Plans expected to eliminate 125,000 civilian positions overall.
    On the other side, all military positions at the bases and units that can be done by civilians will do so.
    The last figure that I saw, was projecting this to be around 600,000 civilian employees of the Ministry of Defense in the end.

    Sounds like a massive mistike and in actual tactical warfare between NATO and Russia like a suicide. Logistics is dictating military success not the otherway around.

    All depends.  377 repair and logistics units - how does this translate to logistic bases?  They could be a lot more efficient that way.  I agree, Logistics is key, but I don't know what is constituted as logistic bases vs what was before.  Having manufacturers having the repair plants is smart, as like Franco said, they would use if far more efficiently/better as well, they are the manufacturer.

    They could be combining plants/facilities as one and having in key areas.  Clearly the ones in Siberia will be the key to security of Russia overall.

    franco wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    franco wrote:Units on January 1st were only 90% staffed plus new units have been formed this year. The soldiers will be put to good use, the civilians not sure about.

    This is all part of the reorganized Rear Services or Logistics;

    - Hospitals downsized at 6 Central and 7 District
    - 131 Repair plants reduced to 26 (some of the rest closed or outsourced to Manufacturers)
    - 112 arsenals,depots,etc reduced to 15 ammo and 15 technical depots
    - 377 repair & logistic units reduced to 24 logistic bases

    Plans expected to eliminate 125,000 civilian positions overall.
    On the other side, all military positions at the bases and units that can be done by civilians will do so.
    The last figure that I saw, was projecting this to be around 600,000 civilian employees of the Ministry of Defense in the end.

    How many civillians working for ministry of defense before?

    Is cutting down to only 26 repair plants from 131 a good idea?  That is a massive cut. I would have just privatized some and then give the rest to manufacturers.  Do we know how many are going to manufacturers?

    At the turn of the century, the authorized strength was 860,000 of which about 25% was vacant. But then, there was almost 1.2 million soldiers. As for the repair plants, most were taken over by the Manufacturer. A lot of these plants were aircraft, ships and armored vehicles etc. All things that could be done best by the manufacture anyway. It will free up around 34,000 troops for front line duties from the non-medical side part alone.    
    Not sure what ended up in regards to the Medical Service. At one point they were transferring 16,000 positions from servicemen to civilians but then decided that was too extreme. I suspect about half ended up getting transferred.

    OK. So what is the strength of soldiers now or in the forseeable future? I know half are conscripts and other half are contractors (contractors are somewhere around 500,000), so roughly 1Mil. Are they going to change the amount of contractors? Are they going to increase or decrease them? I hope not as they seem to be far more capable/reliable.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:46 pm

    Werewolf wrote:...................................

    Sounds like a massive mistike and in actual tactical warfare between NATO and Russia like a suicide. Logistics is dictating military success not the otherway around.

    There will never be one.

    All that money that goes on WMDs is spent for a reason...
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    Post  franco on Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:55 pm

    OK. So what is the strength of soldiers now or in the forseeable future? I know half are conscripts and other half are contractors (contractors are somewhere around 500,000), so roughly 1Mil. Are they going to change the amount of contractors? Are they going to increase or decrease them? I hope not as they seem to be far more capable/reliable.

    For starters, the original plan was 1,000,000 service people. Of these, 70,000 would be in Military Educational Institutes and 40,000 in Training Centers. The remaining 890,000 would be in Units.
    As of January 1st, there were 220,000 Officers and Warrants along with 295,000 contractors, 279,000 conscripts and around 56,000 cadets.
    And 90.5% of the positions were filled (I now take that to mean of the Units already formed)
    The goal for contractors is 352,000 by the end of this year, 425,000 by the end of 2017 and 499,000 by the end of 2020.

    So if all goes to plan by the end of 2020, there would be 719,000 professionals, 56,000 cadets and 225,000 conscripts.

    What actually happens remains to be seen.
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    Post  sepheronx on Fri Jul 31, 2015 9:00 pm

    franco wrote:OK. So what is the strength of soldiers now or in the forseeable future? I know half are conscripts and other half are contractors (contractors are somewhere around 500,000), so roughly 1Mil. Are they going to change the amount of contractors? Are they going to increase or decrease them? I hope not as they seem to be far more capable/reliable.

    For starters, the original plan was 1,000,000 service people. Of these, 70,000 would be in Military Educational Institutes and 40,000 in Training Centers. The remaining 890,000 would be in Units.
    As of January 1st, there were 220,000 Officers and Warrants along with 295,000 contractors, 279,000 conscripts and around 56,000 cadets.
    And 90.5% of the positions were filled (I now take that to mean of the Units already formed)
    The goal for contractors is 352,000 by the end of this year, 425,000 by the end of 2017 and 499,000 by the end of 2020.

    So if all goes to plan by the end of 2020, there would be 719,000 professionals, 56,000 cadets and 225,000 conscripts.

    What actually happens remains to be seen.

    I recall reading articles that half of the soldiers are contract based. That there are no contract soldiers on major ships/subs and aircrafts.
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    Post  franco on Fri Jul 31, 2015 9:08 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    franco wrote:OK. So what is the strength of soldiers now or in the forseeable future? I know half are conscripts and other half are contractors (contractors are somewhere around 500,000), so roughly 1Mil. Are they going to change the amount of contractors? Are they going to increase or decrease them? I hope not as they seem to be far more capable/reliable.

    For starters, the original plan was 1,000,000 service people. Of these, 70,000 would be in Military Educational Institutes and 40,000 in Training Centers. The remaining 890,000 would be in Units.
    As of January 1st, there were 220,000 Officers and Warrants along with 295,000 contractors, 279,000 conscripts and around 56,000 cadets.
    And 90.5% of the positions were filled (I now take that to mean of the Units already formed)
    The goal for contractors is 352,000 by the end of this year, 425,000 by the end of 2017 and 499,000 by the end of 2020.

    So if all goes to plan by the end of 2020, there would be 719,000 professionals, 56,000 cadets and 225,000 conscripts.

    What actually happens remains to be seen.

    I recall reading articles that half of the soldiers are contract based.  That there are no contract soldiers on major ships/subs and aircrafts.

    As you can see the number of contractors (295,000) is higher then those of conscripts (279,000) since last year. All subs are 100% contractors and 70%+ of the surface ships are contractors. The Air Force is 70-80% contractors and so is the Airborne Forces.
    EDIT: The plan is NCO's will be 100% contractors by years end.
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    Post  franco on Fri Jul 31, 2015 9:26 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    franco wrote:Units on January 1st were only 90% staffed plus new units have been formed this year. The soldiers will be put to good use, the civilians not sure about.

    This is all part of the reorganized Rear Services or Logistics;

    - Hospitals downsized at 6 Central and 7 District
    - 131 Repair plants reduced to 26 (some of the rest closed or outsourced to Manufacturers)
    - 112 arsenals,depots,etc reduced to 15 ammo and 15 technical depots
    - 377 repair & logistic units reduced to 24 logistic bases

    Plans expected to eliminate 125,000 civilian positions overall.
    On the other side, all military positions at the bases and units that can be done by civilians will do so.
    The last figure that I saw, was projecting this to be around 600,000 civilian employees of the Ministry of Defense in the end.

    Sounds like a massive mistike and in actual tactical warfare between NATO and Russia like a suicide. Logistics is dictating military success not the otherway around.

    Taking the Southern District as example. Smallest land wise but probably tied for second in Military manpower.

    Plants - one for AFV repairs, one for automotive, one for armaments, one for aircraft
    Logistic Bases - four includes one in the Crimea
    Ammo Depots - three including one in the Crimea
    Technical Depot - two

    All are now multiservice as opposed to each branch doing their own plus it seems to be a more pushing supplies forward as opposed to multiple small facilities dragging supplies from the rear.
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    Post  Werewolf on Fri Jul 31, 2015 10:22 pm

    franco wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    franco wrote:Units on January 1st were only 90% staffed plus new units have been formed this year. The soldiers will be put to good use, the civilians not sure about.

    This is all part of the reorganized Rear Services or Logistics;

    - Hospitals downsized at 6 Central and 7 District
    - 131 Repair plants reduced to 26 (some of the rest closed or outsourced to Manufacturers)
    - 112 arsenals,depots,etc reduced to 15 ammo and 15 technical depots
    - 377 repair & logistic units reduced to 24 logistic bases

    Plans expected to eliminate 125,000 civilian positions overall.
    On the other side, all military positions at the bases and units that can be done by civilians will do so.
    The last figure that I saw, was projecting this to be around 600,000 civilian employees of the Ministry of Defense in the end.

    Sounds like a massive mistike and in actual tactical warfare between NATO and Russia like a suicide. Logistics is dictating military success not the otherway around.

    Taking the Southern District as example. Smallest land wise but probably tied for second in Military manpower.

    Plants - one for AFV repairs, one for automotive, one for armaments, one for aircraft
    Logistic Bases - four includes one in the Crimea
    Ammo Depots - three including one in the Crimea
    Technical Depot - two

    All are now multiservice as opposed to each branch doing their own plus it seems to be a more pushing supplies forward as opposed to multiple small facilities dragging supplies from the rear.

    Logstic supply chains are tactical targets, the less you have the easier they are to target then several dozens or hundreds. The more focused supply and logistics with more effeciency is of course good but not limiting their tactical deployment to some few bases.
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    Post  franco on Fri Jul 31, 2015 10:40 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    franco wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    franco wrote:Units on January 1st were only 90% staffed plus new units have been formed this year. The soldiers will be put to good use, the civilians not sure about.

    This is all part of the reorganized Rear Services or Logistics;

    - Hospitals downsized at 6 Central and 7 District
    - 131 Repair plants reduced to 26 (some of the rest closed or outsourced to Manufacturers)
    - 112 arsenals,depots,etc reduced to 15 ammo and 15 technical depots
    - 377 repair & logistic units reduced to 24 logistic bases

    Plans expected to eliminate 125,000 civilian positions overall.
    On the other side, all military positions at the bases and units that can be done by civilians will do so.
    The last figure that I saw, was projecting this to be around 600,000 civilian employees of the Ministry of Defense in the end.

    Sounds like a massive mistike and in actual tactical warfare between NATO and Russia like a suicide. Logistics is dictating military success not the otherway around.

    Taking the Southern District as example. Smallest land wise but probably tied for second in Military manpower.

    Plants - one for AFV repairs, one for automotive, one for armaments, one for aircraft
    Logistic Bases - four includes one in the Crimea
    Ammo Depots - three including one in the Crimea
    Technical Depot - two

    All are now multiservice as opposed to each branch doing their own plus it seems to be a more pushing supplies forward as opposed to multiple small facilities dragging supplies from the rear.

    Logstic supply chains are tactical targets, the less you have the easier they are to target then several dozens or hundreds. The more focused supply and logistics with more effeciency is of course good but not limiting their tactical deployment to some few bases.

    You unquestionably have a valid point but then less could also mean easier to defend. All of those facilities except one are under the umbrella of S-300PMU or S-400 SAM coverage.
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    Post  Werewolf on Fri Jul 31, 2015 10:46 pm

    Of course they are protected and i do usually have a confidence of such systems, however the war that is painted here is tactical not operational level, meaning those S300/400/500 systems would be nuked with not just one or two tactical nukes but swarmed with conventional cruise missiles and tactical nukes BM's and sooner or later there will be a comprimise in logistics, regardless how effective officially such SAM/TABM's are. That is currently the entire problem of US which concentrates all its NATO logistics in mainly Germany with UK,France, Turkey and some minor logistics via other countries that are considered by US meatshield anyway, relying on such logistical chain and down sized scale will just worsen the problems to defend the country and the war US wants is not a quick decapitational ones, because it is unrealistic and impossible, but a long dragging war to destabilize the country untill some leaders are selected to give what the people want "peace and no war with the west" and the loot can once again begin.
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    Post  sepheronx on Sat Aug 01, 2015 1:18 am

    There is a possibility that this is kind of like one of those moves of a "let us see what happens". I imagine that once this is completed, they will determine if they need more facilities of logistics and storage then go from there. This may be a smart way of doing it to see how much it would cost and maintain. Because I also see that it is heavily bloated too because that is a ton of logistics facilities.

    But then again, Franco, you stated they went from logistic facilities to logistic bases. Question would be, how many facilities for one base? If it breaks down to that, then that really isn't bad and yes, much easier to defend.
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    Post  franco on Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:00 am

    sepheronx wrote:There is a possibility that this is kind of like one of those moves of a "let us see what happens".  I imagine that once this is completed, they will determine if they need more facilities of logistics and storage then go from there.  This may be a smart way of doing it to see how much it would cost and maintain.  Because I also see that it is heavily bloated too because that is a ton of logistics facilities.

    But then again, Franco, you stated they went from logistic facilities to logistic bases.  Question would be, how many facilities for one base?  If it breaks down to that, then that really isn't bad and yes, much easier to defend.

    Freeing up 34,000 soldiers for front line units is also very important in my estimate. That is like being able to man 8 new combat brigades.
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    Post  sepheronx on Sat Aug 01, 2015 7:37 am

    franco wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:There is a possibility that this is kind of like one of those moves of a "let us see what happens".  I imagine that once this is completed, they will determine if they need more facilities of logistics and storage then go from there.  This may be a smart way of doing it to see how much it would cost and maintain.  Because I also see that it is heavily bloated too because that is a ton of logistics facilities.

    But then again, Franco, you stated they went from logistic facilities to logistic bases.  Question would be, how many facilities for one base?  If it breaks down to that, then that really isn't bad and yes, much easier to defend.

    Freeing up 34,000 soldiers for front line units is also very important in my estimate. That is like being able to man 8 new combat brigades.

    That is very true. But I also see various of these jobs being ideal for civilians rather than just military. Like repair centers and various logistics.
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