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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:19 am

    Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation: the Russian Il-20 with 14 military men on board disappeared over the Mediterranean Sea
    The plane disappeared from radar during the attack of F-16 fighters of the Air Force of Israel for facilities in the province of Lattakia




    MOSCOW, September 18. / TASS /. The Russian military aircraft IL-20 with 14 servicemen on board disappeared over the Mediterranean Sea. Il-20 disappeared during the attack of F-16 fighters of the Israeli Air Force on targets in the province of Latakia, the fate of the Russian military is unknown, the Russian Defense Ministry told journalists on Tuesday.

    "On September 17, at about 11:00 Moscow time, on returning to the airbase of Khmeimim over the Mediterranean Sea, 35 kilometers from the coast of Syria, the connection with the crew of the Russian Il-20 aircraft was lost," the department said. They specified that "the mark of IL-20 on the radars of aviation control disappeared during the attack of four Israeli F-16 aircraft on Syrian targets in the province of Latakia."

    "At the same time, the Russian radar monitoring of airspace recorded rocket launches from the French frigate Auvergne, which was in the area," the Defense Ministry said.

    The ministry noted that there were 14 servicemen aboard the aircraft, "their fate is unknown", "the command of the Russian air base Khmeimim organized a search and rescue operation."

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5574770


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    Post  LMFS on Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:49 am

    Shocked

    This is getting pretty dangerous
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:20 am

    Might wanna send Peter down there.
    On that note, since Lider is pretty much delayed indefinitely, any chance of the Admiral Lazarev getting upgraded?
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:22 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:Might wanna send Peter down there.
    On that note, since Lider is pretty much delayed indefinitely, any chance of the Admiral Lazarev getting upgraded?

    That's been the subject of a fair degree of speculation. My view is its a possibility, but there is no way to now until Nahkimov is done and the PtG is in for her modernisation. The RuN did some drydock work to clean & repair the hull and other general preservation works, so clearly they are keeping their options open.

    I expect it will come down to a consideration of money vs value vs remaining life left in the old girl.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:53 am

    1 more NATO warship entered the Med.: https://www.interfax.ru/world/629603

    IL-20 update: https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/17/politics/syrian-regime-shoots-down-russian-plane/index.html
    https://riafan.ru/1100611-v-seti-raskritikovali-cnn-za-feikovuyu-novost-pro-porazhenie-il-20-pvo-sirii

    The Syrians would have known of its presence. They would have held their fire to avoid shooting it down. The Israelis r not commenting, while the CNN promptly quotes an American officer. Who r they kidding?! https://vz.ru/news/2018/9/18/411374.print.html
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:04 am


    The Russian Il-20 was shot down by the fault of Israel, they declared in the Ministry of Defense


    MOSCOW, September 18 (Itar-Tass) - RIA Novosti. Russia regards the provocation of Israel as hostile actions, said the official representative of the Defense Ministry, Major-General Igor Konashenkov.

    The department told that the Russian Il-20 was shot down by the S-200 missile of Syrian air defense, but Israel is responsible for this.
    "As a result of the irresponsible actions of the Israeli military, 15 Russian servicemen were killed, which is absolutely not in keeping with the spirit of the Russian-Israeli partnership," Konashenkov stressed.

    According to him, the Israeli pilots, under the cover of the IL-20, framed it under the impact of Syrian air defense. In addition, it is noted that the Israeli means of aviation management could not help seeing the Russian plane, since it came in for landing.

    "The command of the Russian group of forces in Syria did not warn about the planned operation," the hotline "notification was received less than one minute before the strike, which did not allow the Russian aircraft to be taken to the safe zone," the Defense Ministry spokesman added.

    As noted by Konashenkov, the Defense Ministry reserves the right to adequate response actions.
    The Israeli Embassy in Moscow declined to comment on this information.


    https://ria.ru/syria/20180918/1528774054.html?referrer_block=index_main_1


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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:12 am

    Some serious questions then.

    Were the hell was the Russian airforce then?
    After the incident, how come Russia didn't shoot down the F-16's? If the S-200 we're aiming for them, that means S-400 would have no trouble.

    Fuck Russian are fucking weak. Spineless cowards.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:16 am

    There is one major flaw in this though

    Russian airforce systems, including that Il-20, would have seen those F-16's and missiles from far away. So the 1 minute warning is bullshit. Israel probably told war earlier and Russia didn't expect Israel to be such dicks, like they are.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:39 am

    miketheterrible wrote:There is one major flaw in this though

    Russian airforce systems, including that Il-20, would have seen those F-16's and missiles from far away. So the 1 minute warning is bullshit. Israel probably told war earlier and Russia didn't expect Israel to be such dicks, like they are.


    The ajor shit about this is that Isrealeis were waiting until Il-20 starts to land. They hid "under" under its echo. It was all planned well ahead. The outcome was either F-16 wont be attacked by Syrian Army or Russian Il will be shoot down.

    Of course Zionists as always will be immune to any punishment. I hope Hezbollah now gets more support in Golan.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:40 pm

    I don't think they'll be able to do this again. Russia has the means & will take measures to prevent it. Israel is playing with fire!
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    Post  verkhoturye51 on Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:02 pm

    Oi, we're not making WW3 down there. Russia want's some long run stability in the region and functioning Syrian state with normal relations with all of their neighbors. It means they have to take a step back sometimes and consider interests of others, too.

    Russia has won Syria with a lot of politics and diplomacy and a tiny little bit of bullets. Make it the opposite and you get chaos of Libya, Iraq or Afganistan.

    Israelis, Turks and US soldiers will be in Syria until they find an agreement with Iran and Hezbollah, as well as find a new political solution. In the meantime, tragic incidents will happen. And you can't simply attack Israel, as they are too strong. So get down from the tree and get real and put some real work and talking to become as strong as Israel.
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:00 pm

    verkhoturye51 wrote:Oi, we're not making WW3 down there. Russia want's some long run stability in the region and functioning Syrian state with normal relations with all of their neighbors. It means they have to take a step back sometimes and consider interests of others, too.

    Russia has won Syria with a lot of politics and diplomacy and a tiny little bit of bullets. Make it the opposite and you get chaos of Libya, Iraq or Afganistan.

    Israelis, Turks and US soldiers will be in Syria until they find an agreement with Iran and Hezbollah, as well as find a new political solution. In the meantime, tragic incidents will happen. And you can't simply attack Israel, as they are too strong. So get down from the tree and get real and put some real work and talking to become as strong as Israel.


    So..... give Syria nukes????

    Bigger question should be why a reconnaissance plane was flying without escorts, the hell were all those Flankers at?
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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:07 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    verkhoturye51 wrote:Oi, we're not making WW3 down there. Russia want's some long run stability in the region and functioning Syrian state with normal relations with all of their neighbors. It means they have to take a step back sometimes and consider interests of others, too.

    Russia has won Syria with a lot of politics and diplomacy and a tiny little bit of bullets. Make it the opposite and you get chaos of Libya, Iraq or Afganistan.

    Israelis, Turks and US soldiers will be in Syria until they find an agreement with Iran and Hezbollah, as well as find a new political solution. In the meantime, tragic incidents will happen. And you can't simply attack Israel, as they are too strong. So get down from the tree and get real and put some real work and talking to become as strong as Israel.


    So..... give Syria nukes????

    Bigger question should be why a reconnaissance plane was flying without escorts, the hell were all those Flankers at?

    Apparently at base sitting idle. I cant get an answer. For 1 whole hour, no flankers flew. But Russian AD was used? That doesn't compute.
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    Post  verkhoturye51 on Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:18 pm

    N. Korea has nukes and US is still considering bombing them. Syria needs robust economy, stabile domestic and foreign policy. If so, their military will improve accodingly.

    To get back to the naval topic, the question is, after the war ends, will Russia sell them some used Kilo subs or even Kashin destroyer, after Black sea fleet gets three more Grigorovichs in 2020?
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:50 pm

    I don't think so, they don't have the $, but Iran &/ China may give them a loan to buy boats or donate them. They sold 1 to Algeria & gave 1 to Sri Lanka:
    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2016-07/20/content_26155715.htm   https://www.businessinsider.com/chinas-warship-gift-to-sri-lanka-amid-growing-competition-with-india-2018-7

    IL-20 update: https://lenta.ru/news/2018/09/18/il_20_syria/
    http://www.pravdareport.com/world/asia/syria/18-09-2018/141609-russia_israel-0/
    http://www.pravdareport.com/news/world/asia/syria/18-09-2018/141615-russia_israel_ilyushin-0/
    https://apostrophe.ua/news/world/ex-ussr/2018-09-18/zametyat-vse-putin-zagovoril-ob-otvete-na-katastrofu-samoleta-rf-v-sirii-/141175

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:12 pm

    verkhoturye51 wrote:
    Israelis, Turks and US soldiers will be in Syria until they find an agreement with Iran and Hezbollah, as well as find a new political solution. In the meantime, tragic incidents will happen. And you can't simply attack Israel, as they are too strong. So get down from the tree and get real and put some real work and talking to become as strong as Israel.

    Then you need Vth column in all EU/US/Soviet Union countries and strong informal global financier network. And nukes everybody is trying not to speak of. Nothing will happen. This was no accident though. this was a deliberate Israeli action to "punish" Russians for not letting genocide in Syria. I mean daily bombing of "terrorists"

    Then Jewish media eventually will bubble some false words "sorry" or even not. And that's it. I hope thought Russians make their planes escorted by own fighters next time.But in Vth column realities unlikely.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:14 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Bigger question should be why a reconnaissance plane was flying without escorts, the hell were all those Flankers at?

    because it was landing in US safe zone? Israelis were waiting till is starts landing then attacked. Deliberately.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:43 pm

    No, it wasn't going for landing, but doing fig. 8s as the diagram shows. The Russians & Syrians new of IAF F-16s presence in the area & wouldn't have cleared it to land just before a possible next airstrike on their country.
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    Post  Hole on Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:48 pm

    The jewish planes were in int. airspace, then turned and attacked Syria. Syria fired back. One jewish plane crossed the flight path of the Landing Il-20. The old S-200 homed in on the larger radar blip.

    The only thing Russia could do against it is flying along each unfriendly airplane, even if they are out over the sea. But in this case the enemy would use the libanese airspace as cover. The only real solution would be to declare openly that every attack on Syria will be considered as an attack on Russia with all the consequences if it happens.
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    Post  LMFS on Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:50 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:because it was landing in US safe zone? Israelis were waiting till is starts landing then attacked. Deliberately.
    Read that it was the seeker of the S-200 that locked onto the Il-20, that means, the F-16s were the target and IFF at launch was ok but then they masked themselves with the Russian plane, causing it to receive the hit since its RCS is way bigger for the seeker. And by calling just with one minute in advance they made it impossible to remove the plane from the area. In normal "war" conditions they would have been shot down by the S-400 or Su-35s way before and it would have been the aggressors and not the innocent who would have died.

    So the problem is Israel is childishly playing war while Russia is showing restraint. Maybe they should play tough too and shoot down every suspicious target in range for an A2G attack without further questions so these ridiculous games end.
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:01 pm

    Is it time to send the Syrians the S-300 yet, especially after this mess.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:04 pm

    Israel is also hiding behind the US, so Russia doesn't want to provoke them & escalate. Otherwise they wouldn't be bombing Syria with near impunity.
    Now Russia will have to salvage dead bodies & classified gear from the bottom, or blow up the wreckage if it's too deep.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:05 pm

    Hole wrote:But in this case the enemy would use the libanese airspace as cover. The only real solution would be to declare openly that every attack on Syria will be considered as an attack on Russia with all the consequences if it happens.

    We both know it aint gonna happen. There will be false condolences, false assurances about "special relationship" and pretending its Assad fault. I seriously doubt Russia will do anything to shoot next time f-16 if such situation happens. Special realizations are hot for free. For Russian of course.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:10 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Israel is also hiding behind the US,

    not really, ti is not about US. this is about "special relations" Zionists have with each country with Vth column.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Sep 19, 2018 1:09 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:Is it time to send the Syrians the S-300 yet, especially after this mess.

    So they could shoot down friendly aircraft over Black Sea?

    Close the airspace for IDF and let Iranians do "import" in Syria for a year (not that they deserved it but that's what would piss off Israelis)


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