Not so true, it have more VLS UKSK and same no of PAKET and ciws as 20385 , only main gun is smaller. But sensors have to be same .So price will be big and main maritime abilities of this ship will be significantly lower.
The UKSK launcher can launch any attack type missile any cold war Soviet vessel could carry (in equivalent terms) but it can also carry land attack conventional weapons which previous ships could not... on its own it makes a ship multi functional because even if it doesn't have a sonar or eyes on a land based target 3,000km away it can use target data from other platforms to use such weapons effectively itself... making it much more multirole than previous types.
With all of those weapons and respective equipment this ship we be expensive.
New boats can't be cheap any more.... besides they can spend money having hundreds of cheap simple boats with limited capability that need tens of thousands of sailors to operate them all, or they could have fewer much more sophisticated and also more capable vessels with rather less crew.
If you want car examples, it is same as you install engine of sport car in car that you want to you for daily shoping in neighborhood.
If you can only afford to develop one engine type then it makes sense to have a high performance engine that can be derated for other purposes... a six cylinder engine that only fires 3 or 4 cylinders in traffic to save fuel and engine life.
The facts are that they are developing a few different types of Corvette and each will likely best suit some roles and be less than wonderful for other roles or other locations and environments. Saying the missiles they carry might be too expensive... well they don't actually have to have anything loaded in them for many roles and missions.
If they need costal ship basic karakut is fine, and they will ned some cheap ASW ships as replacement for Grisha and Parchim ( maybe on same platform as Karakut but without UKSK and having RBU and Paket).
My understanding was that Karakut was a more seaworthy version of the Buyan-M river/coastal gun boat wasn't it?
For such a role it doesn't need to too much of a NATO killer...
You will have to pack at least 50 members of crew in this ship. Karakut have 39 but 20380 have 90. This ship lack helicopter and have smaller main gun but it have all other weapon systems as 20380 or even 20385 ( UKSK, PAKET 2 CIWS and SAM). So weapons of 2500t ship putted in 1000t ship. This doesn't look a bit problematic for you?
Lack of a helicopter should reduce crew requirements, but clearly the main saving of space on board is reducing the crew to less than half that of the Steregushy... that alone would reduce the required space needed.
Modern computer modeled designs allow designers to explore their designs before any metal is cut so they can see conflicts... pipes going through walls etc etc...
I would assume they have properly modelled the crew spaces but I doubt they would ever allow enough to make a Sailor happy... no offense meant.
Then there is section for C&C which have to be increased for space for sonar room and Paket C&C room. Below this section you will have engine room (my guess as UKSK are very deep so it is unlikely that engine will be below UKSK. Then UKSK, and stern with SAM and Paket.
I would suspect the volume required for electronics has actually reduced compared with older vessels because where you might need an entire room to get the processing power needed, these days a phone could do a comparable job, but I would suspect the space needed would not be negligible, but it has no sonar and therefore likely no sonar room on the Karakut...
I do not know if you have some sailor experience? Koni was 2000t and it was very cramped inside. Did you ever live on ship?
No, I didn't and no I haven't.
If this ship will be so good armed and expensive, why are you saving money on cheapest BUT most important thing for a ship? You are saving in its maritime quality and crew space. You will have cramped ship with no space for crew without range and endurance.
I didn't design it.
I appreciate you saying that crew comfort is important, but I suspect ship designers in Russia would know this too.
Guys quallity is more important then quantity. Especially in Navy. 100 OSA class ships will not keep USN or JMSDF 1000 milles away from Russian shore.
No, but 50 MiG-31s with Kinzhal would.
They shouldn't be building Karakuts and other corvettes to take on NATO or the US, they should be building them to be useful for naval roles close to Russian territory... with the expectation that there will be Frigates supporting them and destroyers and cruisers to do similar things much further away.
It is better to have full stealth and good maritime quality ship with 8 UKSK.
Then "reduced" rcs (even if it is not so reduced at all) cramped ship with 16 UKSK.
I totally agree... many seem to think a good ship is the ship that carries the most launch tubes... and for that reason think they should not bother upgrade older larger vessels and just build new big ships, but I think older vessels with newer weapons even in smaller quantities than a new ship design could carry is a good step forward and would be rather quicker too.
It would also be a good way to test new larger radar arrays and sensors that will only fit on larger ships before they are fitted to new large ship designs.
Expensive missile boats is not what they need.
There wont be such a thing as a cheap boat in the future sadly...
What it's not and cannot be is an ASW vessel or some kind of patrol ship with endurance.
With the likely electronics on her to share the netcentric infospace she could easily support an ASW operation simply by carrying 91ER1s in her UKSK launch tubes and using data from other platforms to work out where to fire it to... not to mention a lot of the time operating around Russian waters she should be able to access information from their sea bed sonar sets, so having her own helo and sonar might be considered redundant.
In WWIII scenario for all we know their job might be to just sail around the Russian canal network launching nuclear armed land attack cruise missiles adapted to fill the UKSK launch tube (ie bigger calibre and longer missiles) to reach 5,000km...