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    Post  hoom on Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:26 am

    First 2 together at pier
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    3rd not much change
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    Post  marat on Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:27 pm

    2nd is accepted> https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/125560/
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    Post  George1 on Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:17 pm

    Yes, "Sovetsk" commissioned

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    Post  George1 on Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:37 pm

    "Kozelsk" a small missile ship of project 22800 (code "Karakurt") for the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Navy on the Don River during the transition from Feodosia (factory "More") to Otradnoye ("Pella") for completion.

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    Post  hoom on Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:13 pm

    Am I the only one who doesn't see images George1 posts?

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    Its a bit odd that they're moving these from Feodosia to Pella for finishing.
    PPl on Balancer say apparently Pella (& others) poached the good workers -> Feodosia is lacking staff with the necessary skills which would explain it.
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    Post  Hole on Thu Oct 24, 2019 8:28 pm

    No problems with the pics from George1.

    This is the first ship of its kind build in Feodosia. Their workers need some time to learn how to do it. Maybe some of them will go to Pella to see the outfitting process first hand.
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    Post  marat on Thu Oct 24, 2019 10:48 pm

    They will finish them in Pella in St. Petersburg??? That is strange and costly.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:10 am

    hoom wrote:....
    PPl on Balancer say apparently Pella (& others) poached the good workers -> Feodosia is lacking staff with the necessary skills which would explain it.


    Both belong to same company now

    And I wouldn't call it poaching, they offered better paychecks so they hired better people same as always

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    Post  calripson on Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:17 am

    The Kozelsk is destined for the Baltic Fleet, so maybe this plays a role in moving it to Pella. Interesting if Okhotsk will stay or be moved to Pella as it is Black Sea fleet bound.
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    Post  George1 on Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:45 am

    Small missile ships Kozelsk and Okhotsk of project 22800 launched in Feodosia

    Reportedly, in Feodosia in the Crimea at the FSUE “Shipbuilding Plant“ More ”in October 2019, the first two small rocket ships“ Kozelsk ”built there under the control of JSC“ Leningrad Shipbuilding Plant “Pella” (serial number 254) and “Okhotsk” (serial number 255) of project 22800 (code “Karakurt”).

    The lead Kozelsk small missile ship, which was being built at the More factory, (laid under the name Storm, serial number 254) was launched on October 9, 2019, and on October 17 it began towing from Feodosia along the inland waterways to the parent plant "Pella" (Otradnoe, Leningrad Region) for completion and testing. The second RTO "Okhotsk" (serial number 255) was launched on October 29 and will soon also be sent under tugboats for completion at the Pella.

    Recall that project 22800 was developed by Almaz Central Marine Design Bureau JSC (St. Petersburg) and should actually replace in the construction for the Russian Navy the MRK of project 21631 (code "Buyan-M") developed by Zelenodolsk Design Bureau (JSC) ( construction of the latter is limited to 12 units so far). To date, the Russian Navy has contracted 18 RTOs of project 22800. The construction of the first seven RTOs of project 22800 is carried out by the Pella plant under the contract received in accordance with the order of the Government of the Russian Federation on obtaining this company the status of the sole supplier for this project.

    The laying ceremony for the Russian Navy of the first two small missile ships of Project 22800 “Hurricane” (in 2018 it was renamed Mytishchi, serial number 251) and Typhoon (now called Sovetsk, serial number 252) was held at the Pella plant "December 24, 2015. The launch of the MRK “Hurricane” was carried out on July 29, 2017. The contract deadline for Hurricane was 2017. In fact, the Hurricane ship did not go to factory sea trials until May 17, 2018 and began the State trials on October 16, 2018. The ship was commissioned by the Baltic Fleet under the name Mytishchi on December 17, 2018.

    The second Typhoon RTO (now Sovetsk) was launched on November 24, 2017, and began its mission on May 20, 2019, and on October 12, 2019, the ship was commissioned by the Russian Navy.

    The third Shkval RTO (now called Odintsovo, serial number 253) was laid down at the Pella plant on July 29, 2016 and launched on May 5, 2018. On December 24, 2016, the fourth RTO of this Storm project (serial number 257) was launched at the Pella plant, launched on October 23, 2018.

    Since the Pella plant acts as the main investor of FSUE Shipbuilding Plant More in Feodosia (Crimea), and in November 2016 received a part of the latter’s capacities for lease for a period until December 31, 2020, accordingly, out of the seven interregional distribution companies of the project 22,800 ordered "Pelle", three ships should be built at the Northwestern Federal District in close cooperation with Pella, which led to the transfer of the construction of three units to Feodosia. The first RTO of this project is "Storm" (now called Kozelsk, serial number 254) was laid in Feodosia May 10, 2016, and now October 9 launched and October 17, 2019 started towing main factory "Pella" for completion and testing.

    The second RTO Okhotsk (serial number 255) was laid down in Feodosia on March 17, 2017, and launched on October 29, 2019. The third RTO "Whirlwind" (serial number 256) was laid down on December 19, 2017. RTOs being built in Feodosia received building numbers from 254 to 256 "in a row" of the building numbers for this project at Pella.

    On August 22, 2018, the Russian Ministry of Defense entered into contracts for the construction of six more small missile ships of project 22800, which are intended for the Pacific Fleet. Four of them will be built at Amur Shipbuilding Plant JSC (NPS, Komsomolsk-on-Amur) with delivery in 2026, and two ships at Vostochnaya Verf JSC (Vladivostok) with delivery in 2023. The first two RTOs “Rzhev” and “Udomlya” of project 22800 with serial numbers 201 and 202 were laid at the NEA on July 1, 2019.

    The serial construction of the RTOs of project 22800 is slowed down due to insufficient production rates of M507 diesel engines for them at PJSC Zvezda.

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    Small missile ship “Kozelsk” (laid down under the name “Storm” and while retaining this name on board, serial number 254) of project 22800 during towing along inland waterways from FSUE “Shipbuilding Plant“ More ”(Feodosia) for completion at AO” Leningrad Shipyard "Pella" (Otradnoye, Leningrad Region). Samara, 10.29.2019 (c) SlavaZ / fleetphoto.ru

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    Post  Isos on Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:48 pm


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    Izvestia reports that the VMF will develop an ASW ship based on the Project 22800 Karakurt small missile ship to replace its Project 1124. These new ships will be used to defend naval bases and coastal waters and protect Borei SSBNs from enemy submarines


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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:28 pm


    Makes sense, they are baking standard version like pancakes and with this then can completely pad the coastline and submarine bastions on the cheap, Syria including

    There was a project for antisubmarine version of Buyan-Ms but it looks like they moved on to Karakurts with it

    I just wonder if they will squeeze helicopter hangar on it?
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    Post  Isos on Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:55 pm

    There is no space for helicopters (maybe an ansat but not a ka27). Even less for an hangar and a helicpad. I bet on drone helicopter that they are working on. 2 or 3 per ship is possible.

    They will keep the uksk for missile-torpedoes. Pantsir will go away and paket nk can be placed unless they put a new RBU.

    There is no space for gun, torpedoes, uksk, pantsir, drones and RBU. They will have to choose 3 out of them.
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    Post  Hole on Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:54 pm

    Space is not the problem. They can put a towed sonar system and 8x 400mm torpedo tubes on the stern area. The topweight is more of a problem for such a small ship, but the stuff today is much lighter then the weapons and sensos that were put onto the Grishas.
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    Post  Isos on Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:15 pm

    But then you need more crew. And if you want it to work 24/7 for 15 days of deployment you need 4 crew for each systems which at the end is a lot for such small ship.


    Towed array sonar and rotary torpedo launcher are not small btw.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:53 pm

    Isos wrote:
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    Izvestia reports that the VMF will develop an ASW ship based on the Project 22800 Karakurt small missile ship to replace its Project 1124. These new ships will be used to defend naval bases and coastal waters and protect Borei SSBNs from enemy submarines


    https://iz.ru/export/google/amp/938954?__twitter_impression=true
    Excellent news.

    An ASW version of 22160 would have been probably easier, given the larger space and displacement, but this could be a direct replacement of the 1124 and maybe they could uniform the equipment with those of the updated albatross...

    I am also curious to see what will they do about the gun and the possible helicopter/ drones...
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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:33 am

    Isos wrote:There is no space for helicopters (maybe an ansat but not a ka27). Even less for an hangar and a helicpad. I bet on drone helicopter that they are working on. 2 or 3 per ship is possible.

    They will keep the uksk for missile-torpedoes. Pantsir will go away and paket nk can be placed unless they put a new RBU.

    There is no space for gun, torpedoes, uksk, pantsir, drones and RBU. They will have to choose 3 out of them.


    Main gun has to go, it's completely redundant on short range anti-sub vessel

    Instead of main gun they should put RBU-6000

    Paket-M, towed and bow sonar are mandatory

    Torpedoes are not needed with UKSK on board and there should be enough space left for drone pad and Pantsir especially if they tweak superstructure

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:46 am

    57mm gun would not take up a lot of space, and the Ka-226T could be modified to make a useful little shipborne helo for smaller vessels.
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    Post  Hole on Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:11 pm

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    Post  hoom on Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:08 am

    Feodosia 22800 arrived at Pella
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    Post  George1 on Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:55 pm

    In Feodosia a small missile ship "Vikhr" of project 22800 was launched

    Reportedly, on November 13, 2019 in Feodosia in Crimea, FSUE Sud Shipbuilding Plant More launched without publicity the third small Vikhr missile ship under construction under the control of Leningrad Shipbuilding Plant Pella OJSC (serial number 256 ) project 22800 (code "Karakurt").

       Earlier in October, the first two small missile ships of the Project 22800 that were built there at the More factory were launched there. The lead, the Kozelsk MRK (built under the name "Storm", serial number 254), which was built at the More factory, was launched On October 9, 2019 and October 17, they started towing from Feodosia along the inland waterways to the Pella parent plant (Otradnoye, Leningrad Region) for completion and testing, where he arrived on November 16. The second RTO Okhotsk (serial number 255) was launched on October 29.

       However, due to the termination of navigation on the Volga-Baltic Canal from November 15, 2019, the second and third RTOs Okhotsk and Whirlwind launched in Feodosia, which should also be delivered for completion to the Pella parent plant, are actually were towed (respectively, on November 5 and 20) along the Don to Aksai (Rostov Region), where they were put to wintering until the opening of navigation in 2020.

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    Post  mnztr on Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:45 am

    These are really powerful little ships. Less then 1000 tons, 35 knots and 8 caliber missiles.. WOW. Just think this little ship could have stalked Bismark and landed 8 knockout punches from over 100 KM away.
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    Post  kumbor on Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:47 am

    mnztr wrote:These are really powerful little ships. Less then 1000 tons, 35 knots and 8 caliber missiles.. WOW. Just think this little ship could have stalked Bismark and landed 8 knockout punches from over 100 KM away.

    They wouldn`t be able to sail in broad Atlantic and kalibrs would not be able to defeat main armour.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:28 pm

    kumbor wrote:
    mnztr wrote:These are really powerful little ships. Less then 1000 tons, 35 knots and 8 caliber missiles.. WOW. Just think this little ship could have stalked Bismark and landed 8 knockout punches from over 100 KM away.

    They wouldn`t be able to sail in broad Atlantic and kalibrs would not be able to defeat main armour.

    A couple of buyan m made successfully the move from the mediterranean to the baltic sea via the Atlantic and the British channel. It was not ideal but except for really bad weather it can be done. And the karakurts are more seaworthy than the buyan-m.

    Furthermore the Bismarck had to start sailing from the baltic sea, where the 22800 would have no problems.

    And last, Karakurts (and buyan) can carry also supersonic oniks missiles
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:14 pm

    Even so, I wouldn't believe that an Oniks could develop enough kinetic energy to penetrate her 12.6" main armour belt.  Oniks has an armoured warhead for penetration but its designed to break through  internal reinforced bulkheads (like around ships vital systems), not a foot of high-tensile steel.

    They would do damage to the unarmoured areas of the superstructure of course, but you can't cripple the old battleships that way as they were built to take that kind of punishment.

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