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    Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:50 am

    PapaDragon wrote:

    Just imagine if they did the same with Mercuries or Gorshkovs?


    they likely will but rather smaller ships are replenished and shipyards get sufficient number oi skilled workers/docks
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:51 am

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    Anyway hopefully Amur shipyard solved its many problems and will be able to fulfill the navy orders in time and be "promoted" to bigger ships

    Agreed 100%
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    Post  hoom Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:12 pm

    Some footage of weapons testing

    There's bits of Buyan-M mixed in there but at least some of the firing is from 22800.
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    Post  hoom Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:40 pm

    CGI, not sure the provenance but its pretty accurate
    Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship - Page 28 12-7775753-karakurt-5

    3rd ship appears nearly ready to go except no Pantsir-M
    Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship - Page 28 12-7775965-22800-shkval-odintsovo-ssz-pella-10.08.2019
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    Post  marat Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:30 pm

    Engines for third Pella Karakut are just delivered. All 3 ships would be ready long time ago if Zvezda was capable to deliver engines.

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/123589/#cut
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    Post  kumbor Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:18 am

    marat wrote:Engines for third Pella Karakut are just delivered. All 3 ships would be ready long time ago if Zvezda was capable to deliver engines.

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/123589/#cut

    you mean they "WOULD HAVE BEEN READY LONG TIME AGO". Mind your English, please, or write in Russian.
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    Post  marat Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:28 am

    kumbor wrote:
    marat wrote:Engines for third Pella Karakut are just delivered. All 3 ships would be ready long time ago if Zvezda was capable to deliver engines.

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/123589/#cut

    you mean they "WOULD HAVE BEEN READY LONG TIME AGO". Mind your English, please, or write in Russian.

    Such a constructive response.
    Last time I checked this wasn't English grammar forum. I am sure that most forum members (including you) have understood information that I have shared with them.
    And this is what we do on this forum, we sharing information about Russian military.

    For me English is second language and yes I am not best, but I am good enough. If my English irritate you please put me on ignore list.

    And why I would write in Russian? I do not know Russian.

    Based on your nick my home town is 30 km far from your.

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    Post  marat Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:30 pm

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/124197/#cut

    One more ship started.
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    Post  George1 Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:18 pm

    In Zelenodolsk laid the small missile ship "Typhoon" project 22800

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    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3771867.html
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    Post  hoom Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:06 am

    Actually being built at Zelenodolsk this time.
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    Post  hoom Tue Oct 01, 2019 4:26 am

    First 2 together at pier
    Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship - Page 28 29-7907181-img-20190929-wa0000

    3rd not much change
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    Post  marat Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:27 pm

    2nd is accepted> https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/125560/
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    Post  George1 Tue Oct 22, 2019 2:17 pm

    Yes, "Sovetsk" commissioned

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    Post  George1 Tue Oct 22, 2019 2:37 pm

    "Kozelsk" a small missile ship of project 22800 (code "Karakurt") for the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Navy on the Don River during the transition from Feodosia (factory "More") to Otradnoye ("Pella") for completion.

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    Post  hoom Thu Oct 24, 2019 10:13 am

    Am I the only one who doesn't see images George1 posts?

    Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship - Page 28 24-7981773-21-7975249-302059-cmpk
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    Its a bit odd that they're moving these from Feodosia to Pella for finishing.
    PPl on Balancer say apparently Pella (& others) poached the good workers -> Feodosia is lacking staff with the necessary skills which would explain it.
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    Post  Hole Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:28 pm

    No problems with the pics from George1.

    This is the first ship of its kind build in Feodosia. Their workers need some time to learn how to do it. Maybe some of them will go to Pella to see the outfitting process first hand.
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    Post  marat Thu Oct 24, 2019 5:48 pm

    They will finish them in Pella in St. Petersburg??? That is strange and costly.
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Oct 24, 2019 7:10 pm

    hoom wrote:....
    PPl on Balancer say apparently Pella (& others) poached the good workers -> Feodosia is lacking staff with the necessary skills which would explain it.


    Both belong to same company now

    And I wouldn't call it poaching, they offered better paychecks so they hired better people same as always

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    Post  calripson Fri Oct 25, 2019 2:17 am

    The Kozelsk is destined for the Baltic Fleet, so maybe this plays a role in moving it to Pella. Interesting if Okhotsk will stay or be moved to Pella as it is Black Sea fleet bound.
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    Post  George1 Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:45 pm

    Small missile ships Kozelsk and Okhotsk of project 22800 launched in Feodosia

    Reportedly, in Feodosia in the Crimea at the FSUE “Shipbuilding Plant“ More ”in October 2019, the first two small rocket ships“ Kozelsk ”built there under the control of JSC“ Leningrad Shipbuilding Plant “Pella” (serial number 254) and “Okhotsk” (serial number 255) of project 22800 (code “Karakurt”).

    The lead Kozelsk small missile ship, which was being built at the More factory, (laid under the name Storm, serial number 254) was launched on October 9, 2019, and on October 17 it began towing from Feodosia along the inland waterways to the parent plant "Pella" (Otradnoe, Leningrad Region) for completion and testing. The second RTO "Okhotsk" (serial number 255) was launched on October 29 and will soon also be sent under tugboats for completion at the Pella.

    Recall that project 22800 was developed by Almaz Central Marine Design Bureau JSC (St. Petersburg) and should actually replace in the construction for the Russian Navy the MRK of project 21631 (code "Buyan-M") developed by Zelenodolsk Design Bureau (JSC) ( construction of the latter is limited to 12 units so far). To date, the Russian Navy has contracted 18 RTOs of project 22800. The construction of the first seven RTOs of project 22800 is carried out by the Pella plant under the contract received in accordance with the order of the Government of the Russian Federation on obtaining this company the status of the sole supplier for this project.

    The laying ceremony for the Russian Navy of the first two small missile ships of Project 22800 “Hurricane” (in 2018 it was renamed Mytishchi, serial number 251) and Typhoon (now called Sovetsk, serial number 252) was held at the Pella plant "December 24, 2015. The launch of the MRK “Hurricane” was carried out on July 29, 2017. The contract deadline for Hurricane was 2017. In fact, the Hurricane ship did not go to factory sea trials until May 17, 2018 and began the State trials on October 16, 2018. The ship was commissioned by the Baltic Fleet under the name Mytishchi on December 17, 2018.

    The second Typhoon RTO (now Sovetsk) was launched on November 24, 2017, and began its mission on May 20, 2019, and on October 12, 2019, the ship was commissioned by the Russian Navy.

    The third Shkval RTO (now called Odintsovo, serial number 253) was laid down at the Pella plant on July 29, 2016 and launched on May 5, 2018. On December 24, 2016, the fourth RTO of this Storm project (serial number 257) was launched at the Pella plant, launched on October 23, 2018.

    Since the Pella plant acts as the main investor of FSUE Shipbuilding Plant More in Feodosia (Crimea), and in November 2016 received a part of the latter’s capacities for lease for a period until December 31, 2020, accordingly, out of the seven interregional distribution companies of the project 22,800 ordered "Pelle", three ships should be built at the Northwestern Federal District in close cooperation with Pella, which led to the transfer of the construction of three units to Feodosia. The first RTO of this project is "Storm" (now called Kozelsk, serial number 254) was laid in Feodosia May 10, 2016, and now October 9 launched and October 17, 2019 started towing main factory "Pella" for completion and testing.

    The second RTO Okhotsk (serial number 255) was laid down in Feodosia on March 17, 2017, and launched on October 29, 2019. The third RTO "Whirlwind" (serial number 256) was laid down on December 19, 2017. RTOs being built in Feodosia received building numbers from 254 to 256 "in a row" of the building numbers for this project at Pella.

    On August 22, 2018, the Russian Ministry of Defense entered into contracts for the construction of six more small missile ships of project 22800, which are intended for the Pacific Fleet. Four of them will be built at Amur Shipbuilding Plant JSC (NPS, Komsomolsk-on-Amur) with delivery in 2026, and two ships at Vostochnaya Verf JSC (Vladivostok) with delivery in 2023. The first two RTOs “Rzhev” and “Udomlya” of project 22800 with serial numbers 201 and 202 were laid at the NEA on July 1, 2019.

    The serial construction of the RTOs of project 22800 is slowed down due to insufficient production rates of M507 diesel engines for them at PJSC Zvezda.

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    Small missile ship “Kozelsk” (laid down under the name “Storm” and while retaining this name on board, serial number 254) of project 22800 during towing along inland waterways from FSUE “Shipbuilding Plant“ More ”(Feodosia) for completion at AO” Leningrad Shipyard "Pella" (Otradnoye, Leningrad Region). Samara, 10.29.2019 (c) SlavaZ / fleetphoto.ru

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    Small missile ship "Okhotsk" (serial number 255) of project 22800 before launching at the FSUE "Shipbuilding Plant" More ". Feodosia, October 2019 (c) forums.airbase.ru

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    Post  Isos Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:48 am


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    Izvestia reports that the VMF will develop an ASW ship based on the Project 22800 Karakurt small missile ship to replace its Project 1124. These new ships will be used to defend naval bases and coastal waters and protect Borei SSBNs from enemy submarines


    https://iz.ru/export/google/amp/938954?__twitter_impression=true
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:28 pm


    Makes sense, they are baking standard version like pancakes and with this then can completely pad the coastline and submarine bastions on the cheap, Syria including

    There was a project for antisubmarine version of Buyan-Ms but it looks like they moved on to Karakurts with it

    I just wonder if they will squeeze helicopter hangar on it?
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    Post  Isos Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:55 pm

    There is no space for helicopters (maybe an ansat but not a ka27). Even less for an hangar and a helicpad. I bet on drone helicopter that they are working on. 2 or 3 per ship is possible.

    They will keep the uksk for missile-torpedoes. Pantsir will go away and paket nk can be placed unless they put a new RBU.

    There is no space for gun, torpedoes, uksk, pantsir, drones and RBU. They will have to choose 3 out of them.
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    Post  Hole Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:54 pm

    Space is not the problem. They can put a towed sonar system and 8x 400mm torpedo tubes on the stern area. The topweight is more of a problem for such a small ship, but the stuff today is much lighter then the weapons and sensos that were put onto the Grishas.
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    Post  Isos Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:15 pm

    But then you need more crew. And if you want it to work 24/7 for 15 days of deployment you need 4 crew for each systems which at the end is a lot for such small ship.


    Towed array sonar and rotary torpedo launcher are not small btw.

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