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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Tue May 22, 2018 4:14 am

    Seems things were just tacked on to make it look more complete at launch than it actually is Suspect

    This doesn't make sense given that Pella would have nothing to gain from this in terms of PR.
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    Post  hoom on Tue May 22, 2018 5:57 am

    Then why is there a post-launch pic of it with the mast & Pantsir-M removed?
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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue May 22, 2018 7:57 am

    Dunno what you are getting at, it's not the same ship.

    First couple of models (2) get no pantsir system. It's not like they build 1 at a time. Multiple been laid down.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue May 22, 2018 10:56 am

    They probably wont need to replace all the older boats one for one....
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    Post  hoom on Tue May 22, 2018 12:32 pm

    This is the recently launched ship.
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    It was launched with Pantsir-M and mast mounted.
    It no longer has them only a few days after the launch -> they were temporarily mounted for the launch.
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    Post  flamming_python on Tue May 22, 2018 1:22 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Well, there are a series of small missile ships in the Pacific fleet already that will need to be replaced.

    There are 15 small missile boats part of the pacific fleet, Project 12341 and 12411 that will need to be replaced.  Best option is of course Project 22800.  But they will need at least another 7 more of these ships to replace all the older missile boats.

    A Karakurt missile boat will detect an enemy target at a way greater range than a Nanuchka missile boat will, carries 33% more ASMs, and each of those ASMs would have anywhere from 2.5 to 4 times the range of the venerable Malalkhit.
    It also has some 33% greater endurance at sea.

    So no they really don't need to replace all the old missile boats 1 to 1.
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    Post  flamming_python on Tue May 22, 2018 1:30 pm

    hoom wrote:This is the recently launched ship.
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    It was launched with Pantsir-M and mast mounted.
    It no longer has them only a few days after the launch -> they were temporarily mounted for the launch.

    If it's going upstream to Ladoga that means it's headed for another fleet.

    And so they're going to lower those masts and installations so it can go under all the bridges along the waterways it will be travelling.

    For Pete's sake, couldn't you have figured this out for yourself?
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    Post  hoom on Tue May 22, 2018 1:33 pm

    The one going to Ladoga is the first ship & its going there for trials with all its masts Neutral
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    Post  flamming_python on Tue May 22, 2018 2:33 pm

    hoom wrote:The one going to Ladoga is the first ship & its going there for trials with all its masts Neutral

    I'd wait for it to actually begin trials before pacing around over its lack of masts.
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    Post  hoom on Thu May 24, 2018 5:05 am

    Returning to Pella

    Presumably later on will be allowed to do it under own power.

    Balancer has a few pics at Ladoga but super potato quality, I don't think worth posting.
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    Post  hoom on Tue Jun 05, 2018 12:56 pm

    Has been to & from Ladoga a couple of times, now going out to Baltic (this bridge is downstream from Pella)
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    Post  hoom on Wed Jun 06, 2018 3:40 pm

    In St Petersburg
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    Post  hoom on Sat Jun 09, 2018 8:12 am

    Apparently did de-perming at Kronshtadt, now on its way back up river
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    Post  Hole on Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:38 am

    Nice pics. thumbsup
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    Post  hoom on Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:31 am

    At Pella again
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    I believe has been up to Ladoga and back at least once since the jaunt down to Kronshtadt.

    Any thoughts on the idea of a conventional Mineral radar in the mast? (panels just radome material)
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:59 am

    Hole wrote:Nice pics. thumbsup

    St Petersberg in June and dark at night? Suspect Suspect Suspect
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    Post  hoom on Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:16 am

    At speed
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    Post  hoom on Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:43 am

    Pantsir getting put back onProject 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship - Page 18 YGs_25Clo6s
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    Post  Hole on Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:03 am

    Pics!

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    Post  hoom on Sun Jul 08, 2018 1:31 pm

    Nice, you beat me to it!  thumbsup

    Notice how the dome on 3rd boat is so much bigger, flat higher?
    If its not Mineral (or similar) it could be the SOTS radar from Pantsir-S2 but that would be weird since clearly there are 4 faces of that on the superstructure (unless those are actually not despite looking really really lots like it).

    Some construction progress pics
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    This one is apparently Kerch
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    And a couple others against the wall
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    Post  Hole on Sun Jul 08, 2018 10:09 pm

    The radar is definetly bigger. A new version?
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    Post  hoom on Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:03 am

    I believe its a Mineral & the first 2 have Positiv.
    Gepard class has both Mineral & Positiv so gives good comparison
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    But there is also this pic which is the Pantsir-S2 antenna in a dome
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    Edit:
    Direct comparison is a bit problematic though, I think Positiv for the first 2 is confirmed but the proportions of the 3rd don't match the Mineral dome
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    Post  hoom on Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:19 am

    At Kronshtadt, presumably for Navy parade
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    There were rumors of engine trouble about the time of the pics of 3 against the wall but presumably minor.
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    Post  hoom on Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:16 am

    More underway pics
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    Also apparently they may be renaming to Mytischi, Sovetsk, Odintsovo, and Kozelsk dunno
    I really liked the storm names unshaven
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:49 pm

    hoom wrote:.....
    Also apparently they may be renaming to Mytischi, Sovetsk, Odintsovo, and Kozelsk dunno
    I really liked the storm names unshaven


    Isn't it considered bad luck to change names of ships without really good reason?

    Also, fact that tiny ships like these will be named after actual towns indicates that there will be much fewer ships built for Navy than even most pessimistic estimates predicted.

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