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    Post  hoom Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:51 am

    Another pic via Balancer
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    Must be getting pretty close to starting sea trials.
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    Post  hoom Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:13 am

    New from Balancer
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    2nd boat has caught up a lot with the 1st.

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    Post  TheArmenian Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:00 pm

    The third pr.22800 Karakurt class ship will be launched on the 5th of May at pella shipyard.

    Name is SHKVAL

    http://pellaship.ru/spusk-na-vodu-mrk-22800-253-23-04-2018.html
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    Post  Luq man Wed May 02, 2018 10:47 pm

    'SHKVAL' note the new faced array antennas also placed on the aft for full 360° coverage. And finally the sexy naval Pantsir installed aswell.
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    Post  hoom Wed May 02, 2018 11:03 pm

    (ninja'd!)

    Ooh er! bounce

    So that is indeed a 4 panel fixed version of the Pantsir-S2 radar.
    The dome is a subtly different shape, a bit taller vertical part before it goes hemispherical, more like on Nanuchka class (Monolith?)

    A Nanuchka
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    And first 2
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    Post  GarryB Thu May 03, 2018 3:19 am

    The top view of the Pantsir system from the back I thought the flattened ball on top was a radar, but it looks like all the optics are there...

    Nice... looks much better organised and laid out and simpler... (Pantsir that is).
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    Post  hoom Thu May 03, 2018 5:58 am

    Interestingly the Pantsir is up on a plinth like the silhouette plate after-all Suspect
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    Post  kumbor Thu May 03, 2018 7:56 am

    GarryB wrote:The top view of the Pantsir system from the back I thought the flattened ball on top was a radar, but it looks like all the optics are there...

    Nice... looks much better organised and laid out and simpler... (Pantsir that is).

    The flattened ball? If you think of an angled dome based on the top of the bridge, it`s a MR-123 Vympel array, FD radar for AK-630.
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    Post  hoom Thu May 03, 2018 5:03 pm

    Worth noting this is the first roll-out of a production Pantsir-M on a ship (this config has been seen on display on land a couple of pics), here is a recent pic of the boat that was supposed to be doing sea-tests...
    Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship - Page 15 03-6230057-shuya

    Also looking very complete, seeming like there is some hold-up that the 1st boat still hasn't started sea-trials...
    Wondering when we'll see the first Crimean boat launch, 3rd hull was laid down there before this ship.
    Speaking of the Crimean ones BMPD article has some info suggesting there are 5 currently in-build in Crimea, also expecting a 6 boat order for Pacific Fleet at Komsomolsk-on-Amur (I thought they'd been ruled out?) this year Shocked https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3183161.html
    The small rocket ship (MRK) of project 22800 Shkval (plant number 253) was laid at the Pella plant on July 29, 2016 and became the third ship of this project being built at the enterprise. Before him were initiated stroitestvom MRK "Hurricane" (serial number 251) and "Typhoon" (serial number 252), a bookmark which was held at the factory "Pella" December 24, 2015. The main ship "Hurricane" was launched on July 29, 2017 and should begin factory trials in May 2018. The second RTD Typhoon was launchedon November 24, 2017. Both these IRs do not carry the "Pantsir-M", and are equipped instead with two old 30-mm artillery munitions AK-630.
    ...
    December 24, 2016 at the factory "laid the fourth IRA of this project "Storm" (serial number 257).

    Since the Pella plant is the main investor of the Moret Shipyard in Feodosia (Crimea), and in November 2016 received the latter's capacity for lease until December 31, 2020, respectively, of the seven RTOs of Project 22800 ordered by the " Pellet ", three ships should be built at NW" Sea "in close cooperation with" Pella ", which led to the transfer of the construction of three units to Feodosia. The first RTD of this project " Storm " (plant number 254) was laid in Feodosia on May 10, 2016 year, the second "Okhotsk"(serial number 256) - was laid down on December 19, 2017. The RTOs under construction in Feodosia received construction numbers from 254 to 256 "in a row" of the building numbers of this project at Pellet.

    August 5, 2016 Russian Ministry of Defense contract to build the Navy for another five small missile ships of project 22800 receivedJSC Zelenodolsky Plant named after AM Gorky (Zelenodolsk). At the same time Zelenodolsk plant was actually received under temporary management of Zaliv Shipbuilding Plant LLC in Kerch (Crimea) from the end of 2014. According to unofficial information, the main Zelenodolsky IRC of Project 22800, called "Cyclone" (serial number 801), was without special publicity laid at the shipyard "Bay" in Kerch in the summer of 2016. According to the information currently in the factory "Bay" is already under construction next two IRs project 22800 with serial numbers 802 (was also founded in 2016) and 803

    summer 2017 was reported, that the Ministry of Defense of Russia is going to place an order in 2018 to build six more small missile ships of Project 22800 for the Pacific Fleet at JSC "Amur Shipbuilding Plant" (part of United Shipbuilding Corporation) in Komsomolsk-on-Amur.
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    Post  hoom Fri May 04, 2018 5:14 am

    And now Balancer provides updates on the Zaliv Kerch boats
    Satellite pic from 18 April https://prnt.sc/jddni9 and early March https://prnt.sc/jddxdq shows 2* 22160 at the bottom, 3* 22800 up top & looks like they're all Pantsir-M version which is interesting.

    Also another pic of new boat
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    Post  Hole Fri May 04, 2018 10:54 am

    Why is this interesting? Its supposed to be the standard.
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    Post  hoom Fri May 04, 2018 12:32 pm

    At least one of them was expected to be AK-630 version.
    Ain't complaining Very Happy

    More pics via Balancer
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    Post  hoom Sat May 05, 2018 2:52 am

    Moar pics! cheers
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    Post  GarryB Sat May 05, 2018 8:26 am

    That location should give it an excellent field of fire....
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    Post  hoom Sat May 05, 2018 12:04 pm

    Flotprom reports its launched https://flotprom.ru/2018/%D0%9F%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BB%D0%B04/
    But pics appear to be pre-ceremony like above.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat May 05, 2018 7:29 pm


    It's in the water, somebody give these people blueprints for Derzkii-class thumbsup

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    Post  miroslav Sat May 05, 2018 10:36 pm

    Hevent posted anything on the forum in a while, so here it goes.

    4th ship in the background during the rolling out, the day before the ceremony. Wont be long, in September or October.

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    On the day of the ceremony, pushed to front.

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    Post  Russian Patriot Sun May 06, 2018 12:23 am

    miroslav wrote:Hevent posted anything on the forum in a while, so here it goes.

    4th ship in the background during the rolling out, the day before the ceremony. Wont be long, in September or October.

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    On the day of the ceremony, pushed to front.

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    Thank you for these awesome pictures.
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    Post  George1 Sun May 06, 2018 1:11 am

    The small missile ship "Shkval" will be the first in the Russian Navy, equipped with a new ship-launched anti-aircraft missile and gun system "Pantsir-M" developed by JSC "Design Bureau of Instrumentation". The combat module "Pantsir-M" is already installed on the "Shkval". Marine tests of the prototype "Pantsir-M." Should be started in 2018 on the missile boat "Shuya" project 12417 of the Black Sea Fleet.

    "Shkval" (serial number 253) became the third ship of the project 22800, being built at the Pella plant. Prior to it, construction was started by the Uragan (factory number 251) and Typhoon (plant number 252), the laying of which took place at the Pella plant on December 24, 2015. The main ship "Uragan" was launched on July 29, 2017 and should begin factory trials in May 2018. The second, "Typhoon", was launched on November 24, 2017. Both these do not carry the "Pantsyr-M", and are equipped with two old 30-mm artillery units AK-630 instead.

    The project 22800 was developed by JSC "Central Marine Design Bureau" Almaz "(St. Petersburg) and should replace the project 21631 (code" Buyan-M ") in Russian Navy development of JSC "Zelenodolsk Design Bureau" (the construction of the latter is limited to 12 units). It was reported that the Russian Navy planned to have at least 18 ships of Project 22800.
    The construction of the first seven ships of Project 22800 is carried out by the Pella plant under a contract in accordance with the order of the Government of the Russian Federation for the company's receipt of the status of the only supplier for this project.

    On December 24, 2016 the fourth ship of this project "Storm" (serial number 257) was laid at the Pella plant.

    Since the Pella plant is the main investor of the Moret Shipyard in Feodosia (Crimea), and in November 2016 received the latter's capacity for lease until December 31, 2020, respectively, of the seven Small Missile Ships of Project 22800 ordered by the "Pella", three ships should be built at More Shipyard, in close cooperation with "Pella", which led to the transfer of the construction of three units to Feodosia. The first Small Missile Ships of this project, "Storm" (plant number 254) was laid in Feodosia on May 10, 2016 year, the second "Okhotsk" (plant number 255) - laid in Feodosia on March 17, 2017 and, third, "Vikhr" (serial number 256) -. was laid on December 19, 2017.
    The Small Missile Ships under construction in Feodosia received construction numbers from 254 to 256 "in a row" of the building numbers of this project at Pella.

    On August 5, 2016, the Zelenodolsky Plant named after AM Gorky (Zelenodolsk) received the contract of the Russian Defense Ministry for the construction of five more small-sized 22800 missile ships for the Navy. At the same time Zelenodolsk plant was actually received under temporary management of Zaliv Shipbuilding Plant LLC in Kerch (Crimea) from the end of 2014. According to unofficial information, the main Zelenodolsky IRC of Project 22800, called "Cyclone" (serial number 801), was without special publicity was laid at the Zaliv shipbuilding plant in Kerch in the summer of 2016. According to available information, the next two MRKs of the 22800 project with factory numbers 802 (also laid in 2016) and 803 are already being built at the Zaliv plant.

    At the ceremony of launching the "Shkval", Deputy Minister of Defense of Russia Yury Borisov said that in 2019 the Ministry of Defense plans to conclude a contract for six small missile ships of Project 22800 for the Pacific Fleet. Four of them will be built at JSC "Amur Shipyard" (Komsomolsk-on-Amur) and two at the JSC "Vostochnaya Verf" (Vladivostok).

    "We have now reached the pace of about 30 months of the construction of these ships, which is a very good pace, and the fleet is very much waiting for these ships, because of their seaworthiness, technical parameters, combat capabilities, are considered today among the best ships of this class," said Borisov .

    According to him, the first ships will go to the Baltic. "In general, each fleet will be equipped with similar ships to protect the near sea zone," - said the Deputy Minister of Defense.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3187277.html
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    Post  hoom Sun May 06, 2018 7:16 am

    Better pic of the 4th via BMPD
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    And a Balancer haul
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    Ship behind is apparently Project 16450
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    Solid smash thumbsup
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    Borisov always looks like such a goober (obviously isn't actually since he seems to be one of the 'really gets stuff done' guys)
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    Four of them will be built at JSC "Amur Shipyard" (Komsomolsk-on-Amur) and two at the JSC "Vostochnaya Verf" (Vladivostok).
    This seems like a good idea, Komsomolsk will be kept under pressure to actually make progress (at least, as long as Vostochnaya aren't worse...)

    Interestingly they're talking about Uragan doing trials on Lake Ladoga Suspect eg https://flotprom.ru/2018/299238/
    I guess Pella is a decent distance upstream so Ladoga is closer than the Baltic and it seems there is a test range up there
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    Post  GarryB Mon May 07, 2018 12:51 am

    The person who designed that ladies bands uniform is obviously a leg man... excellent work...

    Regarding the new Pantsir system... very interesting... down to one main radar array and one optical pod on top... I am guessing they have passed the scanning duties to the ships main array simply because it is already a 360 degree electronically scanned array in much better position and much more powerful and effective than anything they could put on any gun mount.

    It would also make each gun mount cheaper and lighter.

    This is not that unusual because a normal Pantsir battery can operate with only one or a couple of vehicles scanning for targets and passing target data on to the other platforms and the command unit... the command unit then allocates targets based on position of the units, direction and range of targets and numbers of rounds and missiles left in each unit.

    In this case the command role would be taken by the ship, so the mount would operate as a pantsir vehicle that does not need to scan for targets.

    This makes a lot of sense for the reasons already given without reducing or limiting the performance of the system.

    The extra height of the mast mounted antenna would even give it a longer radar horison for detection, though the optics or tracking radar would have to have a direct line of sight to actually hit a target.

    Compare the view above to Kashtan which had radars in MMW and CM wave, as well as various optics packs and sensors (Elint) to detect low flying threats... this looks very clean and simple, but all the important components are there.
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    Post  hoom Mon May 07, 2018 7:43 am

    You didn't really expect the search radar to be mounted on the combat module did you?
    The search radar is mounted on the combat module in the land versions because those are expected to be able to operate autonomously without a separate radar/command vehicle.

    The new fixed arrays are pretty clearly Pantsir-S2 arrays, S2 is supposed to be able to operate in linked pairs with the antennas fixed at 90 degrees providing 360 coverage (& I believe one vehicle operating as command), so this is kinda that.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Mon May 07, 2018 10:41 am

    GarryB wrote:The person who designed that ladies bands uniform is obviously a leg man... excellent work...

    why I am not surprised to hear this from you respekt respekt respekt




    This is not that unusual because a normal Pantsir battery can operate with only one or a couple of vehicles scanning for targets and passing target data on to the other platforms and the command unit... the command unit then allocates targets based on position of the units, direction and range of targets and numbers of rounds and missiles left in each unit.

    In this case the command role would be taken by the ship, so the mount would operate as a pantsir vehicle that does not need to scan for targets.

    This makes a lot of sense for the reasons already given without reducing or limiting the performance of the system.

    dont forget that 120 rounds/min 76mm is very powerful anti missile weapon with right ammo. And engagement range is way beyond 30mm.
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    Post  flamming_python Mon May 07, 2018 11:21 am

    Still, engaging the ship dead-on towards the bow with a sea-skimming missile seems to be the optimal profile for an attacker.

    The Pantsir has a dead-zone that way and won't be able to engage with its autocannons at least, while the 76mm cannon won't be able to engage the missile when its close enough as the bow slopes upward and that gives the gun a depression dead-zone close-in.

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