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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #5

    Post  Hole on Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:48 am

    Hope to see it back in may. Very Happy
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #5

    Post  dino00 on Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:30 pm

    Tank sense: the Defense Ministry this year will receive the first serial "Armata"

    The troops will receive updated cars


    Tank T-14 "Armata" after revision went into mass production. The first batch of 16 updated machines will go to the troops by the end of the year. On May 9, the new T-14s will take part in the parade on Red Square. After that, to check in conditions close to combat, they will be distributed in military units located in different regions. According to experts, the Armata with an uninhabited tower and an armored capsule for the crew surpasses all known foreign counterparts, including the American Abrams, the French Leclerc and the German Leopard 2.

    Until the end of the year, 12 T-14 Armata tanks and four T-16 BREMs will go to the troops, several sources told the Izvestia sources in the Ministry of Defense. According to them, the serial "Armata" differ from the previously presented experimental machines: after testing a number of components and assemblies were replaced, new systems also appeared.

    The first production tanks will have to take part in the Victory Parade. And after the ceremonial passage on the pavement of the Red Square, “Almaty” will be involved in military trials. 16 cars will be divided between military units located in different climatic zones.

    In the corporation "Uralvagonzavod" "Izvestia" said that the UVZ has a contract with the Ministry of Defense for the production of tanks "Armata" and combat vehicles based on them, and it is strictly implemented

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    Comparing the T-14 with Western models, military experts speak of superiority over the American Abrams, the French Leclerc and the German Leopard 2. The domestic machine is considered more efficient and more durable than the tanks of potential enemies, by 25-30%.

    It is known that the "Armata" is a new diesel engine with a capacity of 1.5 thousand hp. The firepower of the tank provides a 125-millimeter 2A82 gun - according to the technical level, it, as the developers claim, surpasses all existing tank guns by 1.2 times. The muzzle energy of the 2A82 cannon is 1.17 times better than the best NATO weapon - the 120-millimeter system of the Leopard-2A6 tank. But at the same time, the length of the barrel of a domestic cannon is 60 cm shorter, which generally makes the tank more compact.

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    For the Russian army, the Armata is a versatile heavy tracked platform. At its base, it will be possible to produce not only tanks, but also heavy infantry fighting vehicles, engineering vehicles, heavy armored personnel carriers, tank support vehicles, reconnaissance and command and control.

    BREM T-16 on the basis of "Armata", designed to evacuate damaged vehicles from the battlefield and their subsequent repair in the field, is ready. It is equipped with a set of special equipment, such as a bulldozer blade, and differs from the existing BREM-1M by a more load-lifting crane-manipulator, as well as a more powerful traction winch.


    The conning tower T-16 is located in the front of the hull and shifted to the port side - the crew will be located there. It consists of three people: the commander, driver and operator. The protected capsule also provides space for the crew of the evacuated tank. Behind the habitable compartment is the engine compartment, where the diesel engine and automatic reversing gearbox are located.

    BREM is not only heavily armored, but also has a dynamic and electronic protection system from guided weapons, a mine clearance system with electromagnetic fuses. For its own defense, a combat module with a large-caliber machine gun, remotely controlled from an armored capsule, is installed on the T-16.

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #5

    Post  The-thing-next-door on Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:52 am

    Well finally!

    Now its time to replace thoes damn t90s and get to work on brining the next future tank off the drawing board and onto the streets of europe.

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #5

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:00 pm

    Is T-14s turret armored or not? The turret is tiny, not much place to put armor on.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #5

    Post  ult on Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:27 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Is T-14s turret armored or not? The turret is tiny, not much place to put armor on.

    It is. It's not tiny if you consider that there is no space for people inside.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #5

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:41 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Is T-14s turret armored or not? The turret is tiny, not much place to put armor on.

    It's armored

    Since it contains no crew and only heavy machinery it requires much less armor, electronic components inside are all in small separate fully armored boxes

    It doesn't matter if RPG round hits turret if there is nothing inside that can be damaged by that round

    At best it will scratch paint on internal components, big deal

    Crew section is armored beyond belief and that's most important thing

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #5

    Post  Isos on Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:47 pm

    Internally it should be comparable to a bmp-1 turret profile IMO. The big external turret is probably empty and rounds specially the most used, i.e APFSDS, would go through and make 0 damage. Important systems are deep inside behind the crew. It also allows to make reduntant connections of optics in case wires are cut by a hit.

    Unmanned turret is the logical choice for russians since they used auto loader for like 50 years.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #5

    Post  GarryB on Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:51 am

    Everything that needs protection has armour, but most things that need protection like the crew, the ammo, and the engine are inside the hull and protected by heavy armour.

    The turret contains electronics and sensors and the gun.

    If you shoot the gunners optics with a 120mm APFSDS round the gun can still be aimed and fired using the commanders sensors... actually hitting the sensors on a moving Armata would be an impressive feat... but don't you think that shows the success of the Russian military... that the west has to resort to blinding their tanks because they don't have much chance of penetrating the hull and killing the crew...

    When the enemy has to resort to firing HE shells at your tank tracks to disable your tank then it is a bit like a big row of early war Sherman tanks taking on a Tiger... or Panzer IIs taking on KV-1 and T-34 tanks.

    They could put lots of heavy armour on the turret... but why... what do you want to protect?

    Western armies have tanks with weak side and rear turret armour so what we are talking about is frontal arc armour and the armour on the armata tank covers the frontal arc of the turret where the gun and autoloader is located.

    In addition the Afghansi APS system defends the tank from attack from any direction so HEAT rounds and APFSDS rounds are defeated at a distance from the armour so penetration will be dramatically reduced anyway.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #5

    Post  Big_Gazza on Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:44 am

    The first 16 cars "Armata" experimental-troop of the party will arrive in 2019

    According to the newspaper "Izvestia" in the article by Alexei Ramma, Alexei Kozachenko and Bogdan Stepovoy "Tank sense: the Defense Ministry this year will receive the first serial" Armat ". The troops will receive upgraded vehicles ”, the T-14 Armata tank, after completion, went into mass production. The first batch of 16 updated machines will go to the troops by the end of the year. On May 9, the new T-14s will take part in the parade on Red Square.

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #5

    Post  kumbor on Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:52 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:The first 16 cars "Armata" experimental-troop of the party will arrive in 2019

    According to the newspaper "Izvestia" in the article by Alexei Ramma, Alexei Kozachenko and Bogdan Stepovoy "Tank sense: the Defense Ministry this year will receive the first serial" Armat ". The troops will receive upgraded vehicles ”, the T-14 Armata tank, after completion, went into mass production. The first batch of 16 updated machines will go to the troops by the end of the year. On May 9, the new T-14s will take part in the parade on Red Square.

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    Obviously, we are talking about "troop testing" of the basic vehicle -T-14 MBT. Anyway, in the West there is nothing similar to "Armata" platform! No need to hurry. Russia has about 3.000 "combat ready" first line MBT`s west of Urals, which is much more than Europe as a whole. Wait and see. There are rumours that Russia`s ordnance factories has problems with production of the 2A82 gun. The situation is aggravating for Russia, but, there is still much time left! If there are any problem, russian gunsmiths will solve them!

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