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    Post  dino00 on Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:14 pm

    ARMATA T14 and T-15 weight 55 tons

    Some features have also been disclosed. For example, it is reported that the T-14, in addition to the 125-mm cannon, still has one PKTM machine gun.

    The overall dimensions of the car were also announced: its length is 10.8 m, width, 3.9 m, and height 3.3 m. But the most interesting is that for the first time the weight is 55 tons. Earlier, unofficial sources featured 48-49 tons.

    The T-15 weighs the same amount and can hold 12 servicemen. This year, the TBMP is presented with a modified uninhabited combat module, equipped with a 57-mm automatic cannon, a paired 7.62-mm machine gun and guided anti-tank Kornet missiles.

    The power output of both cars is 1500 hp. The maximum speed is 75-80 km / h. Power reserve - 500 km.

    https://rg.ru/2019/06/28/ves-tanka-i-bmp-na-platforme-armata-rassekretili-na-armii-2019.html
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:48 pm

    dino00 wrote:ARMATA T14 and T-15 weight 55 tons

    Some features have also been disclosed. For example, it is reported that the T-14, in addition to the 125-mm cannon, still has one PKTM machine gun.

    The overall dimensions of the car were also announced: its length is 10.8 m, width, 3.9 m, and height 3.3 m. But the most interesting is that for the first time the weight is 55 tons. Earlier, unofficial sources featured 48-49 tons.

    The T-15 weighs the same amount and can hold 12 servicemen. This year, the TBMP is presented with a modified uninhabited combat module, equipped with a 57-mm automatic cannon, a paired 7.62-mm machine gun and guided anti-tank Kornet missiles.

    The power output of both cars is 1500 hp. The maximum speed is 75-80 km / h. Power reserve - 500 km.

    https://rg.ru/2019/06/28/ves-tanka-i-bmp-na-platforme-armata-rassekretili-na-armii-2019.html

    Regular weight - 48 tons

    After additional applique armor - 55 tons

    It's also said the Armata series is able to be up armed/armored to the weight of 65-70 tons.

    Heavier more capable Armatas would be used in a high risk environment like cities with high rise buildings with multiple windows (Grozny). In a city environment with paved roads, there's less importance on ground pressure as paved roads can handle heavier vehicles where dirt, mud and snow can't.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:02 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:...
    Regular weight - 48 tons

    After additional applique armor - 55 tons

    It's also said the Armata series is able to be up armed/armored to the weight of 65-70 tons.

    Heavier more capable Armatas would be used in a high risk environment like cities with high rise buildings with multiple windows (Grozny). In a city environment with paved roads, there's less importance on ground pressure as paved roads can handle heavier vehicles where dirt, mud and snow can't.


    This puts it in the range of Abrams and more than Merkava

    Good to see they are going for flexibility



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    Post  Hole on Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:23 am

    But without a manned turret that weighs 20 - 25 tons.
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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:07 pm

    dino00 wrote:ARMATA T14 and T-15 weight 55 tons

    Some features have also been disclosed. For example, it is reported that the T-14, in addition to the 125-mm cannon, still has one PKTM machine gun.

    You can see a small slot to the right of the gun on the version shoed at this years victory parade.
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    Post  dino00 on Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:17 pm

    Preliminary tests of 57-mm module for "Armata" will begin in 2019

    MOSCOW, July 3 - RIA News. Preliminary tests of the 57-mm remote-controlled combat module (DUBM) as part of the T-15 infantry combat vehicle on the Armat’s promising platform will begin in 2019, the annual report of the developer of this system, Uralvagonzavod Corporation, said on Wednesday.

    "Production of samples of the DUBM-57(Dagger) combat module is being completed, its 57-mm automatic guns have passed autonomous debugging tests with shooting. At the Army-2018 forum, the module was demonstrated as part of the Armata T-15 infantry fighting vehicle. The module is being prepared for preliminary tests scheduled for 2019, "the document says.

    At the Army-2018 forum, the Russian Ministry of Defense signed a contract for the purchase of 132 T-14 and T-15 combat vehicles on the Armata platform from Uralvagonzavod. The entire contract will be completed by the end of 2021, said after signing the document, Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko.

    https://ria.ru/20190703/1556152918.html
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:46 am

    It's also said the Armata series is able to be up armed/armored to the weight of 65-70 tons.

    Well you have to remember that the Armata series includes Coalition with its massive turret and 152mm long range gun and all the 152mm shells and propellent charges... it was supposed to be 65 tons on its own... and then of course there will be armour upgrades over time to add armour as needed... NATO will introduce new guns and new missiles to defeat it, which will require further armour improvements and upgrades.
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    Post  kvs on Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:00 am

    GarryB wrote:
    It's also said the Armata series is able to be up armed/armored to the weight of 65-70 tons.

    Well you have to remember that the Armata series includes Coalition with its massive turret and 152mm long range gun and all the 152mm shells and propellent charges... it was supposed to be 65 tons on its own... and then of course there will be armour upgrades over time to add armour as needed... NATO will introduce new guns and new missiles to defeat it, which will require further armour improvements and upgrades.

    The base 48 tons for an MBT is almost absurdly small. The Armata platform is designed for 65+ total weight in the same class as western MBTs. But as Hole has
    mentioned it can use extra weight on useful features instead of a hotel room. The T-14 can easily field a 152 mm gun, associated shells and more reactive armour.
    Some thought was put into the Armata design.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:01 am

    The binocular system NSI-05B (glasses) has the same basic functions, and it can also be attached to the tanker's headset.

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    Works NSI-05B is actually as a digital dashboard, providing a whole complex of information in 2D format with a resolution of 800x600 pixels. Operating temperatures from -50 to +60 centigrade. That is, it is quite suitable for arctic conditions, as well as conditions for conducting combat operations in a tropical climate. Power consumption - only 1 W, voltage up to 15 V.

    https://translate.yandex.com/translate?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftopwar.ru%2F160242-pokazany-sovremennye-rossijskie-mikrodisplejnye-sistemy-indikacii-vkljuchaja-ochki-tankista.html&lang=ru-en

    Should be especially useful for the Commander linked to a gunner-sight with a slaved RWS attached to it.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:28 am

    T-14 interior
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    Post  Cyberspec on Fri Aug 30, 2019 4:57 am

    Back to my childhood days Smile ...the indestructible T-14

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    Post  dino00 on Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:23 am

    Cyberspec wrote:Back to my childhood days  Smile ...the indestructible T-14


    Very nice!
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:59 am

    Is that robot chicken does war?

    Would have been better if the tanks being blown to bits were NATO tanks...
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    Post  Isos on Sat Aug 31, 2019 12:28 pm

    Funny but it doesn't have afghanit protecting its back IIRC. So a rpg-7 can destroy its engine from there. It was created with infantry around the tank so that the enemy is always in front.

    In urban warefare it will fail just like any other tank if not protected by soldiers.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Aug 31, 2019 2:14 pm

    No it wasn't... the Armata units will have all tank based vehicles for operations in very dangerous high ambush areas like forests and urban areas and it very much is not designed to operate with an infantry shield around it... its active protection system is designed to stop both HEAT rounds and APDSFS rounds as well... so that bit where the 125mm rounds bounce off its hull... they do so because they are intercepted and made to yaw.

    Angled plate armour has no ability to deflect APFSDS rounds... only full calibre AP rounds, but the new APS on the Armata is supposed to intercept APDSFS rounds and make them yaw before impact... and obviously if you imagine what happens to a nail if you smack it so hard it will go into a board with one hit... if the nail is not straight and gets hit on an angle it folds up and barely dents the wood... all that energy goes in to destroying the nail instead of penetrating the wood.

    The Afghantsi APS does protect the vehicle 360 degrees because in urban combat the enemy will always try to attack the tank from the sides and rear... there is nothing the tank crew could do to stop them.

    It is not invulnerable.... no tank is, but I would say a massive mine or IED would be rather better bets than any hand held RPG... and I am including the RPG-28 which is a total beast of an RPG.
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    Post  Hole on Sat Aug 31, 2019 4:17 pm

    Don´t forget the situation awareness of the T-14 which comes with his own little drone flying above it all the time. And all this cameras and radars around the turret. Even if the first version of the radar is "just" able to search for incomig missiles/projectiles, a improved version will be able to detect people. In the end it will be very hard to ambush this tank.
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    Post  Isos on Sat Aug 31, 2019 4:28 pm

    Armata is supposed to intercept APDSFS rounds

    Unless they prove they tested it correctly, it is a lie. If it works during clean test doesn't mean it will work in real life where terrain and conditions are totally different from those tests conditions.

    APFSDS are very small targets for the radar and too fast to intercept them correctly. It will travel half a km whike the interecption mechanism is fuzed and get out of the launcher.

    I would bet on good crew that can hide properly behind natural obstacles and the armor to defebd against sabot round.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:01 am

    Don´t forget the situation awareness of the T-14 which comes with his own little drone flying above it all the time. And all this cameras and radars around the turret. Even if the first version of the radar is "just" able to search for incomig missiles/projectiles, a improved version will be able to detect people. In the end it will be very hard to ambush this tank.

    Yes, the tethered drone is supposed to carry both thermal and MMW radar sensors to detect targets around the vehicle in any weather day or night and pass that information to all vehicles in the group, which should help in terms of situational awareness for the crew.

    They also have vehicles that can set off fuses with electronic signals which might render IEDs and mines much less effective too... but nothing is perfect.

    Unless they prove they tested it correctly, it is a lie.

    Yeah, because they are lying bastards... Iraq didn't have WMDs and Syria didn't use chemical weapons in Ghouta... oops, no that was the Americans... their previous ERA didn't work against both HEAT and sabot rounds... except it did.

    If it works during clean test doesn't mean it will work in real life where terrain and conditions are totally different from those tests conditions.

    Of course, it might fail so lets just ignore it.

    APFSDS are very small targets for the radar and too fast to intercept them correctly.

    Bullshit... they travel at less than 2km per second, but the interception munitions are located at the target, so they really don't need to travel very far.

    Such a criticism would be valid if they had to intercept any sabot round aimed at any vehicle in the group, but these interceptors only have to defend the vehicle they are mounted on... it just comes down to detection, calculation, launch and that is it... ARENA had a 50m range sensor system to detect incoming rounds and could intercept targets travelling at up to 750m/s... with new radars able to detect targets at four or five times that distance much faster munitions should be no problem unless there is something between the tank and the incoming round that conceals the round till the last second.

    It will travel half a km whike the interecption mechanism is fuzed and get out of the launcher.

    ARENA has fixed launchers that can be launched in a fraction of a second when needed, and Afghanit is probably the same... the Armata has both Afghanit and Drozd mounted on it.

    Maybe the armour they have is rubbish too... maybe an outer lay and inner layer of sheet steel with a filling of chocolate blancmange... I mean if they are just liars and can't be trusted... perhaps those radar antennas mounted on them is just so they get netflix and wifi...

    I would bet on good crew that can hide properly behind natural obstacles and the armor to defebd against sabot round.

    The big problem there is that there is a difference between cover and concealment and the difference really depends on what they are launching at you... when the threat is a sabot round from a MBT then most things become concealment rather than cover... and generally you wont know until it is too late.

    For an Armata crew it would probably make sense to sit their vehicle out in the open so it can detect incoming threats early so they can be dealt with.

    Perhaps the purpose of the tethered drone with MMW radar and IIR is so it can spot incoming threats and pass the data via optical cable through the tether to the tank to launch defensive munitions at the right time?
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    Post  BenVaserlan on Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:32 pm

    New T-15 video.  So what you do you think of the video and how could I make it better? I ask so I can improve future videos.

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    Post  George1 on Sat Sep 07, 2019 3:27 pm

    BenVaserlan wrote:New T-15 video.  So what you do you think of the video and how could I make it better? I ask so I can improve future videos.


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    Post  william.boutros on Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:34 pm

    BenVaserlan wrote:New T-15 video.  So what you do you think of the video and how could I make it better? I ask so I can improve future videos.


    My opinion:
    Shorten the video to around 1 minute.
    Try writing down what you need to say and practice it.
    Sync the pictures with the voice.
    Add background music.
    Use animations or edited videos if you know how!
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:51 am

    Condensing videos to being under 1 minute is designed for people with short attention-spans, the video length is fine for critical thinking.
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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:42 am

    Well firstly you need to script your videos and secondly do more research.

    But remember in military analysis 99% of what you will read is absolute bullshit that defies the laws of physics or gets things blatantly wrong.

    My advice is just to ignore the "which is better" subjects or anything that does not explain the details of how something works or in what way it is allegedly "advanced".

    Also if you wish to refer to claims make sure you state clearly that they are claims e.g. person A claims that tank B can survive munition C.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:14 pm

    Agree with everything here:

    My opinion:
    Try writing down what you need to say and practice it.
    Sync the pictures with the voice.
    Add background music.
    Use animations or edited videos if you know how!

    Make the words you say be directly relevant to the images and videos being shown at the time... treat it like a slide show where you are narrating to someone who is not stupid, but doesn't know about this already.

    I also agree with the thing next door... which is best is relative and can change over night.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:20 am

    We have an Indian moron who thinks that gun stabilization on the armata is terrible this M1A1 is better tank. Lol

    He was out in his place by someone talking about the fire control system.

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