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    Post  andalusia on Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:59 am

    Why is Russia accepting South African farmers? Some of these people were probably hostile to the USSR during the 80s when the Soviet Union was an enemy of the white government of South Africa.

    https://www.rt.com/business/432375-russia-south-africa-farmers/
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Fri Aug 31, 2018 12:49 pm

    They are European Christian in mentality, many are very conservative. If they had been hostile yo Russia in the past, nowdays it is no longer the case.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Aug 31, 2018 2:36 pm


    They want to come. they have money, they stated that they plan on fully integrating and assimilating, they want to purchase land and invest and work in strategic sector (agriculture) and 80's were long ago
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    Post  jhelb on Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:15 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote: They are European Christian in mentality, many are very conservative. If they had been hostile yo Russia in the past, nowdays it is no longer the case.

    That's true. White European Christians are all harmless, Russian Government should accept them.

    But what about Hindus , Buddhist who come to Russia & other parts of Europe for study & for work, how dangerous/hostile are these groups ?
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:47 pm


    When was the last time anyone saw hostile Buddhist? Or Hindu?
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    Post  jhelb on Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:54 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    When was the last time anyone saw hostile Buddhist? Or Hindu?

    It's extremely difficult for us to understand these Eastern religions from our European perspective. But I feel it's better to see these groups as hostile. Un controlled migration of such groups can completely change the European way of life. Already in UK, Hindu population is more than population of most European groups.

    Have you see cremation grounds in Europe or North America before ? There are several now because these groups - Hindus, Buddhist cremate their dead. Just an example of cultural displacement.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:01 pm

    If tiny Serbia can successfully assimilate middle easterners like Iranians or Libians then I'm sure Russia can handle some Hindus
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:02 pm

    Dharmic religions are extremely tolerant in their their orthodox form. Existence of a 2000 years old Christian community in India is 'nuff proof of that.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:54 pm

    jhelb wrote:......Un controlled migration of such groups can completely change the European way of life. Already in UK, Hindu population is more than population of most European groups.

    Have you see cremation grounds in Europe or North America before ? There are several now because these groups - Hindus, Buddhist cremate their dead. Just an example of cultural displacement.

    I forgot to add one observation: those populations​, cultures and races you mentioned have at least some basic urge to stand up for their own and look after their compatriots, unlike Whites.

    Just look at what those European Whites who are supposedly "worthy" of preserving do to their own:

    You have British and North American Whites who are still on a crusade to screw every single East European that doesn't bend over for them, French and Germans who gladly follow them without asking anything and best of all, you have assorted East European​s who are for some inexplicable reason still butthurt because they weren't exterminated during Generalplan Ost and still miss their old Aryan overlords.

    Maybe everyone should just come to terms with the fact that White race is simply not worth preserving?

    I mean take a look at their track record...
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Sat Sep 15, 2018 1:05 am

    ... why not?

    It is no less worthy of preserving than any other race.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Sep 15, 2018 1:20 am

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:... why not?

    It is no less worthy of preserving than any other race.

    Other races treat their own bit better even if only when facing adversity

    Whites on the other hand are just being douchebags towards each other regardless of circumstances
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Sat Sep 15, 2018 1:53 am

    IS it destined to be like this forever? Situation is not hopeless, it can still be reversed.
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    Post  jhelb on Sat Sep 15, 2018 12:57 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:I forgot to add one observation: those populations​, cultures and races you mentioned have at least some basic urge to stand up for their own and look after their compatriots, unlike Whites.

    Seriously Laughing Have you heard about the "caste system" among Hindus ? Hindus swear allegiance to their caste not to their religion and these various castes are constantly at conflict with one another. They treat members of other castes as Shit. Buddhism probably is somewhat different but even then Mongloid Buddhists ( Nepalese, Burmese etc) consider themselves superior to Buddhists from India.

    That's why I said these Eastern religions are dangerous. Just because they have not blown Whites to pieces in the streets of Europe (unlike Muslims) doesn't mean they don't plan to do so in the near future.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:11 pm

    jhelb wrote:.......
    Seriously Laughing Have you heard about the "caste system" among Hindus ? Hindus swear allegiance to their caste not to their religion and these various castes are constantly at conflict with one another.....

    I don't remember one cast genociding other wholesale

    jhelb wrote:....They treat members of other castes as Shit. Buddhism probably is somewhat different but even then Mongloid Buddhists ( Nepalese, Burmese etc) consider themselves superior to Buddhists from India....

    So?

    Whites definitely aren't any better. They took whole "being superior" concept to whole new heights.

    jhelb wrote:
    That's why I said these Eastern religions are dangerous. Just because they have not blown Whites to pieces in the streets of Europe (unlike Muslims) doesn't mean they don't plan to do so in the near future.

    Unlike Whites who have already been blowing other Whites to pieces not just on the streets of Europe but across the whole continent? For decades/centuries?

    Just because they switched to airplanes instead of guns does not make them better, just more experienced.

    Arrogant trash is arrogant trash. I will put my trust in Asians, Blacks, Buddhists of Hindus over Whites any day of the week. This is experience talking, not prejudice.
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    Post  Isos on Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:12 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    jhelb wrote:.......
    Seriously Laughing Have you heard about the "caste system" among Hindus ? Hindus swear allegiance to their caste not to their religion and these various castes are constantly at conflict with one another.....

    I don't remember one cast genociding other wholesale

    jhelb wrote:....They treat members of other castes as Shit. Buddhism probably is somewhat different but even then Mongloid Buddhists ( Nepalese, Burmese etc) consider themselves superior to Buddhists from India....

    So?

    Whites definitely aren't any better. They took whole "being superior" concept to whole new heights.

    jhelb wrote:
    That's why I said these Eastern religions are dangerous. Just because they have not blown Whites to pieces in the streets of Europe (unlike Muslims) doesn't mean they don't plan to do so in the near future.

    Unlike Whites who have already been blowing other Whites to pieces not just on the streets of Europe but across the whole continent? For decades/centuries?

    Just because they switched to airplanes instead of guns does not make them better, just more experienced.

    Arrogant trash is arrogant trash. I will put my trust in Asians, Blacks, Buddhists of Hindus over Whites any day of the week. This is experience talking, not prejudice.

    There is right now a genicide in Myanmar supported by noble price.

    Japanese destroyed all asian countries less than 100 years ago. They were doing things that even nazi didn't do to Jewish.

    I spent 6 months in Thailand last year and a guy told me that in the old times they used to make wars not for lands, gold or money but only to destroy temples of the others because the country with the more temples  was concidered as the best.

    In India muslims are attacked, burned and killed on the streets every day.

    They are not better than western people. It's only stupid movies from hollywood that make them look good.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:39 pm


    I never said they are without fault. But compared to Whites they always get top marks

    Japan made mess in Asia? And what as Germany doing? And don't give me the whole "rest of Europe was against them". Only reason they objected was because they weren't going to be on top if Germans had won. And they were always couple of weeks away from joining them should things go sideways on the frontlines.

    A lot of them still can't get over it (Ukraine, Baltic, Romania, large chunks of Poland, etc...)

    As for Myanmar, everyone is weeping over some locals getting punked but nobody is talking how terrorists supported by this same locals were rampaging unchecked for decades. Time to pay the tab.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:40 pm

    War in Myanmar is not a religious war. It is a nationalist war, waged by the Burmese government against Muslim Rohingiya people AND Buddhist Karen people. It is actually the karen who are targeted more often, but media focuses solely on Rohingiya.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:55 am

    All religions & their branches been fighting each other in both East & West, with their own horrors. That includes Christians in Europe, Buddhist sects in Asia & Japan, Muslims in the ME, C. Asia & China.
    Theoretically, Russia could accept Ms of Hindus but only in Muslim -free areas, to avoid communal violence like in India. The Gypsies also originated in N. India & lived there for ~500 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people#Arrival_in_Europe
    Russia was also a place where the Roma were treated less heavy-handedly, notably being allowed to retain nomadic or semi-nomadic ways of living, as long as they paid the annual taxes - the "obrok". http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8136812.stm

    India will overtake China as the most populous nation in a few years.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/24/india-is-worlds-most-populous-nation-with-132bn-people-academic-claims

    But it is smaller than China & has antagonistic religions, caste system, many diverse ethnic groups, & several writing systems for its 348 languages. I don't see how they can avoid internal conflicts w/o large scale emigration.
    OTH, their small Jewish community had never been persecuted.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:08 pm

    Arrogant trash is arrogant trash. I will put my trust in Asians, Blacks, Buddhists of Hindus over Whites any day of the week. This is experience talking, not prejudice.

    Can't help but agree... except I would say western whites are the worst... they pretend they are the peak of civilisation and that it is their way or the highway... there is no tolerance for alternative views at all.

    If you are in the west and don't believe me try to get married a second time without ending the first marriage... it is even worse if you are a woman wanting two husbands of course...

    There are also racial problems in Fiji, but you never hear about those... just like you never hear about the race problems in other countries colonised by European countries... the natives are treated like shit and the children of the colonists hold all the wealth and land and power.

    In Fiji the Brits were pissed off because the Fijian concept of work was not the same as a westerners view... a Fijian man will work for 4 hours and then decide that is enough money to feed his family and he will go home... the Brits thought that was lazy, but the Fijian would rather spend time with his family than accumulating money he doesn't need right now.

    So the British brought a whole lot of Indian workers in to do all the work and when the British left they asked the Indians if they wanted to stay... of course they wanted to stay... they basically ran the place... The Fijian people got no say in it at all, and now they are second class citizens in their own country...

    Bloody white people!!!!!!!!!

    War in Myanmar is not a religious war. It is a nationalist war, waged by the Burmese government against Muslim Rohingiya people AND Buddhist Karen people. It is actually the karen who are targeted more often, but media focuses solely on Rohingiya.

    How can you say it is a war of nations when it is clearly between religious groups?

    BTW the Karen actually actively helped the invading Americans against the native Vietnamese... of course they are going to be a focus of hate in the region as traitors... the Americans should have taken them to the US... but they abandoned them like the cowards they are.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:49 pm

    The Japanese r British counterparts in Asia who utilized the divide & conquer strategy everywhere they went; the US is following in their footsteps.
    The Mongols unified China & Russia w/o suppressing any1's religion.
    Chinggis Khan had a Chinese Taoist adviser. Later, many adopted Islam & Buddhism. Had they reached France, England, Spain, Portugal & occupied Japan, the world would be a very different place by now!
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:58 am

    Rereading the first post it is as if you want to say... how can you accept these racists?

    There have already been enormous numbers of white people from South Africa moving to Australia and New Zealand... I suspect it is because we have similar sport interests... ie Rugby and Cricket are the main sport religions in New Zealand, and in Australia they are popular too... (not so much rugby... they are better at rugby league and AFL, so they tend to have a lot more support for those two games than rugby, but cricket is very popular as long as they are not getting caught ball tampering...)

    It would not surprise me if a few white south african wanted to go to the US or Canada too.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:17 am

    Under Catherine the II, Russia welcomed Ks of German colonists, so it's not new. SA farmers move to Australia & NZ since they r also former British colonies, now members of the Commonwealth, so cultural shock will be less. But Russia offers favorable terms as well & doesn't have many African blacks & mulattoes, even in cities, so they want to go there too.
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    Post  jhelb on Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:51 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:Arrogant trash is arrogant trash. I will put my trust in Asians, Blacks, Buddhists of Hindus over Whites any day of the week. This is experience talking, not prejudice.

    Rather unfortunate that you see White people in such poor light. If these Hindus, Buddhist countries are indeed good how come they are so under developed ?

    Have you been to Moscow or St Pete, or maybe even London for that matter ? Look at the sheer number of Hindus, Buddhist coming to these cities in search of work or education. On the other hand how many Russians go to their country in search of work ?

    That's why I said that Russian government should wholeheartedly accept White farmers from South Africa as they will bring a lot of value.



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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:45 pm

    If these Hindus, Buddhist countries are indeed good how come they are so underdeveloped?
    Because they were colonized by the British, Dutch, Danish, Portuguese & French. The last 1 also had colonies in both India & Indochina.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_India
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Indochina

    Thailand is mostly Buddhist, was not colonized, & as a result is now more developed than nearby Laos & Myanmar (Burma).
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    Post  jhelb on Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:11 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Because they were colonized by the British, Dutch, Danish, Portuguese & French. The last 1 also had colonies in both India & Indochina.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_India
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Indochina

    A couple of points :

    These mostly Buddhist, Hindu countries became independent almost 70 years ago, so they had enough time to put their house in order. Post WW 2 Russia was in a far worse condition than India or South East Asia. But USSR became a super power within a decade after the end of WW 2. India & South East Asia are still third world states.

    Colonization need not necessarily be bad. For instance British colonization introduced India to the English language. Today they have a tech/service sector that was made possible only because a large number of Hindus could speak English. China still struggling in the service sector because Chinese can't speak English.

    South Africa has a higher Per Capita Income than states where Hinduism or Buddhism is the dominant religion. That means Whites certainly brought about large scale development. Apartheid South Africa did not allow foreign media, so a whole lot of those news related to discrimination of colored people could well have been exaggerated by the liberal left who took advantage of this information black hole.


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