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    Post  dino00 on Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:58 pm

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:03 am

    More of the other way Garry. If it is more like Su-30 and Su-35, then their purposes overlaps and since Su-30 and Su-35 are far better in every perameter than MiG-35, while the MiG-35 being more expensive, there is less chance of it being g acquired. And so far, that is exactly what's happening.

    The MiG is smaller and lighter and will likely be cheaper to operate. The AESA radar will likely make it not so cheap, but in terms of performance it will be worth it.

    The MiG-35 has DIRCMS built in and DAS fitted as standard, and they already have MiG-29s in service.

    What they need is a medium to light weight fighter and the MiG-35 fits the requirement of an aircraft between an Su-30MKI and a Tegas...

    What they should do is try to transfer most of the technology from the MiG-35 to the Tegas to both make it better and to increase commonality.

    Unification with the Indian Navies MiG-29KRs would also be sensible too...
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    Post  Isos on Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:16 am

    Can someone ID the "eye" next to the IRST on this real mig-35. The grey mig-29M2 used to promote mig-35 since 2006 doesn't have it.

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    Post  Stealthflanker on Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:45 pm

    Should be the same type of MAWS in Su-35S. Dunno the exact designation tho.
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    Post  Isos on Sat Nov 03, 2018 2:48 pm

    https://sputniknews.com/world/201811031069479972-mig-egypt-russia/

    Egyptian mig-29 crashed during training exercice. Bad news for mig ...
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    Post  Guest on Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:14 pm

    Isos wrote:https://sputniknews.com/world/201811031069479972-mig-egypt-russia/

    Egyptian mig-29 crashed during training exercice. Bad news for mig ...

    Some mentioned FBW as cause of crash.
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    Post  Isos on Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:17 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    Isos wrote:https://sputniknews.com/world/201811031069479972-mig-egypt-russia/

    Egyptian mig-29 crashed during training exercice. Bad news for mig ...

    Some mentioned FBW as cause of crash.

    It happened today, I doubt their specialists can invistigate in 2 or 3 hours such accident and bring conclusions.

    Mig is sendig its own team to investigate.
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    Post  Guest on Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:30 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    Isos wrote:https://sputniknews.com/world/201811031069479972-mig-egypt-russia/

    Egyptian mig-29 crashed during training exercice. Bad news for mig ...

    Some mentioned FBW as cause of crash.

    It happened today, I doubt their specialists can invistigate in 2 or 3 hours such accident and bring conclusions.

    Mig is sendig its own team to investigate.

    You do know pilots got real time comms these days, its 21st century Smile? He didnt fly into the blackhole, you kinda can guess if not which screw is loose exactly, then at least what doesnt work by pilots reports Smile
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    Post  Isos on Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:27 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    Isos wrote:https://sputniknews.com/world/201811031069479972-mig-egypt-russia/

    Egyptian mig-29 crashed during training exercice. Bad news for mig ...

    Some mentioned FBW as cause of crash.

    It happened today, I doubt their specialists can invistigate in 2 or 3 hours such accident and bring conclusions.

    Mig is sendig its own team to investigate.

    You do know pilots got real time comms these days, its 21st century Smile? He didnt fly into the blackhole, you kinda can guess if not which screw is loose exactly, then at least what doesnt work by pilots reports Smile

    And ? The screen and alarms can say there is a fire in the engine. That doesn't tell you anything about why a fire started.

    If they say it is the FBW then they had a precise alarm concerning that ? Maybe it is one of technicians that did something bad ? Or the pilot made a mistake and doesn't want to assume consequencies ?

    Mig needs to know what precisly happened and correct the mistake or prove that it is egyptian fault and not the plane that sucks. It's important for their future contract.
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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:12 pm

    Why was there only 1 pilot? Isn't MiG-29M2 is twin seat?
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:32 am

    It is a bit blurry, the original single seat MiG-29M, the MiG-29K is based on it and both are from the late 1980s, whereas the MiG-29M2 is the new aircraft design that has a unified airframe, so the single seat and two seat aircraft are the same airframe... the single seat just has extra space for fuel, and the current MiG-29KR is based on that, so there are also single/ two seat model of that too.

    There is no reason why the two seat model could not be flown by one pilot though...
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    Post  dino00 on Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:42 pm

    All necessary tests of the MiG-35 will be completed in 2019

    According to the Director General of the MiG Corporation, Ilya Tarasenko, from a production point of view, the company is ahead of schedule

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5844823

    MiG-35 can get a radar with an active phased array

    Ilya Tarasenko, General Director of RSK MiG, noted that the corporation will offer the use of such a radar station as an option after working it out with an aircraft

    We understand that this is a global trend in the use of radar systems with an active phased antenna on this type of aircraft. Naturally, we already have a prototype for testing,” said Tarasenko.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5845790

    RSK MiG can produce up to 36 MiG-35 aircraft per year

    According to the general director of the corporation, Ilya Tarasenko, this was achieved thanks to the introduction of a fully electronic design system.

    When introducing the entire system [of digital production] ... we raised our productivity by about 15%. We plan to increase our productivity by half,” added
    Tarasenko

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    Post  LMFS on Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:27 pm

    I read that they had already manufactured the batch for the RuAF, does it make sense?

    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201811281506-ok8l.htm
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    Post  franco on Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:49 pm

    LMFS wrote:I read that they had already manufactured the batch for the RuAF, does it make sense?

    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201811281506-ok8l.htm

    Not sure how you translated that my friend.
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    Post  LMFS on Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:36 pm

    franco wrote:Not sure how you translated that my friend.
    Have no clue of Russian, so Yandex did it for me Very Happy

    RAC "MiG" has completed manufacturing the first batch of MiG-35 for the Russian army, the aircraft will complete the whole cycle of testing in 2019. This was reported to journalists CEO Ilya Tarasenko.
    https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.ru/https/tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201811281506-ok8l.htm
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    Post  dino00 on Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:15 am

    LMFS wrote:
    franco wrote:Not sure how you translated that my friend.
    Have no clue of Russian, so Yandex did it for me Very Happy

    RAC "MiG" has completed manufacturing the first batch of MiG-35 for the Russian army, the aircraft will complete the whole cycle of testing in 2019. This was reported to journalists CEO Ilya Tarasenko.
    https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.ru/https/tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201811281506-ok8l.htm

    Google probably tranlates better This phrase

    For me``RSK MiG is completing production of the first batch of MiG-35 fighters for the Russian army, the aircraft will complete the entire test cycle in 2019``. This was reported to journalists by the head of the corporation, Ilya Tarasenko.
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    Post  LMFS on Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:22 am

    dino00 wrote:Google probably tranlates better This phrase

    For me``RSK MiG is completing production of the first batch of MiG-35 fighters for the Russian army, the aircraft will complete the entire test cycle in 2019``. This was reported to journalists by the head of the corporation, Ilya Tarasenko.
    Ok thanks! Would expect a Russian translator to differentiate their own verb tenses, but that's what happens when you are too lazy to learn Russian Razz
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:39 pm

    RSK MiG completes manufacture of first MiG-35 fighters
    Russia's advanced MiG-35 fighter jet may get active phased array radar
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    Post  hoom on Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:26 am

    That looks a lot more hairy than when we've seen Su-30 etc do it pale

    Don't believe I've noticed those slats on the LERX before, is that standard or a MiG-29K/35 thing?
    Odd (archaic) type also with hinge on the leading edge, folding out from underneath scratch
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:53 am

    That looks a lot more hairy than when we've seen Su-30 etc do it

    The ailerons are down on the MiGs... they are twitchy because the transport plane is obviously flying slow... note they use their airbrakes a lot to keep station...

    Odd (archaic) type also with hinge on the leading edge, folding out from underneath

    ???

    The leading edge slat is a two piece model because as you can see from above it has a folding wing... kinda important on a carrier aircraft... (MiG-35 has 8 weapon wing hardpoints... this seems to be a MiG-29KR)

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    Post  Isos on Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:32 am

    That's mig-35. They just didn't full loaded them.

    The extra weight over mig-29 has clearly an impact on the maniability. They should have improved engines or made the fighter a little bgger to put bigger ones.

    The fuel tank is also awfull. It's a big draggy pod. They could have put an internal tank between the engine that wouldn't impact on the aerodynamics of the plane.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:58 am

    The extra weight over mig-29 has clearly an impact on the maniability.

    If you mean manouverability then the TVC engines would mean this aircraft is vastly more manouverable than the MiG-29 ever was before.

    They should have improved engines or made the fighter a little bgger to put bigger ones.

    If they turn it into a Flanker then what is the point of a Fulcrum?

    Like saying the F-35 would be better if you made it bigger and took away the VSTOL capability and gave it two engines.... and called it F-22.

    The fuel tank is also awfull. It's a big draggy pod.

    The MiG-35 is a light fighter... external fuel tanks are for ferrying only... in real combat it would not use them.

    BTW it carries fuel... having a tiny slim fuel tank... well you might as well not carry one.

    They could have put an internal tank between the engine that wouldn't impact on the aerodynamics of the plane.

    There is no such thing as an external store that has no effect on the aerodynamics of a plane, and ordinance between the engines is not the worst place to put it... if you put two under the wings they would reduce the lift generated by the wing around that section and seriously reduce the performance of the aircraft...
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:01 am

    The sharp edge of the LERX is to generate vortexes at high angles of attack that energise the air so the vertical tail surfaces can still stabilise the aircraft... those little flaps seem to be positioned to inhibit the vortexes... presumably in normal level flight when they are not needed/wanted.
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    Post  Isos on Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:02 am

    If you mean manouverability then the TVC engines would mean this aircraft is vastly more manouverable than the MiG-29 ever was before.

    TVC engines are in option. And mig engineerstgink that it is not that much helpfull since ot really works at low speeds. That why they don't put them in serial production mig-35.

    T/W is the key for a good manoevrability and since mig 35 is much bigger than mig-29 with engines only 6% more powerfull means manoevrability should be worse than basic mig-29.


    If they turn it into a Flanker then what is the point of a Fulcrum?

    Like saying the F-35 would be better if you made it bigger and took away the VSTOL capability and gave it two engines.... and called it F-22

    I suggested a little bit bigger not two times bigger. Something like few cm in width and 1m in length to allow bigger engines and more fuel.

    The MiG-35 is a light fighter... external fuel tanks are for ferrying only... in real combat it would not use them.

    That's where you are wrong. It is a medium class fighter. If they keep engines and fuel capacity of the light mig-29 it's gonna be a bad fighter.

    BTW it carries fuel... having a tiny slim fuel tank... well you might as well not carry one

    It doesn't need to be such draggy box. Look at western fuel tanks, they are much more earodynamic.

    What's the point of carrying more fuel in a tank that will make you use much more fuel because of drag ?

    There is no such thing as an external store that has no effect on the aerodynamics of a plane, and ordinance between the engines is not the worst place to put it... if you put two under the wings they would reduce the lift generated by the wing around that section and seriously reduce the performance of the aircraft...

    Internal flat tank between the engines won't impact manoeurability. Using all the length will make it more flat.

    Like imagine something like su-57's weapon bays but full of fuel between the mig-35 engines. Not a bad idea IMO.

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