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    Post  Isos on Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:08 pm

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    Post  hoom on Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:16 pm

    So its basically naval Shtora.
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    Post  Isos on Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:10 pm

    hoom wrote:So its basically naval Shtora.

    A little bit bigger Laughing .

    Would be good on tor and s-400 against optical guided bombs.
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    Post  Hole on Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:30 pm

    Shtora doesn´t make you dizzy.
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    Post  George1 on Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:51 pm

    Russian frigate Admiral Kasatonov to be handed over to Russian Navy in December

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    Post  Hole on Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:01 pm

    Now its time to order new ships! pirat
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:29 pm

    Hole wrote:Shtora doesn´t make you dizzy.

    Whats hilarious is all the 'wailing' and the 'gnashing of teeth' over its development/introduction.....you see this is terrible, but the use of Agent Orange chemical weapons pesticide in the Vietnam theater was fresh spring 'cut-daisies'. Wink
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:37 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Hole wrote:Shtora doesn´t make you dizzy.

    Whats hilarious is all the 'wailing' and the 'gnashing of teeth' over its development/introduction.....you see this is terrible, but the use of Agent Orange chemical weapons pesticide in the Vietnam theater was fresh spring 'cut-daisies'. Wink

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    Post  marat on Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:44 am

    Now we know destination > China

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/118307/
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    Post  George1 on Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:50 am

    So 6 in total will be built and then they will move ahead with 22350M


    USC to build two more frigates of project 22350 for Russian Navy


    Project 22350 frigates are the most advanced ships in the Russian Navy

    KUBINKA, March 20. /TASS/. The Severnaya Verf (Northern Shipyard, an affiliate of the United Shipbuilding Corporation) will build two more frigates of project 22350 and push ahead with building a series of corvettes for the Navy, USC President Alexei Rakhmanov told a business conference at the theme park Patriot near Moscow.

    "A decision has been made to build two more frigates at the Northern Shipyard and to continue to build a series of corvettes," Rakhmanov said, adding the project 22350 frigates were identical to The Admiral Gorshkov.

    "The Admiral Gorshkov frigate was handed over to the Navy in July 2018. Another ship of the same class, The Admiral Kasatonov, is in being tested. The Navy will have it in December. Two more frigates in the series - The Admiral Golovko and The Admiral Isakov - are being built.

    Project 22350 frigates are the most advanced ships in the Russian Navy. They have a water displacement of 4,500 tonnes and can develop a speed of 29 knots. They are armed with missile systems Oniks and Kalibr and an air defense missile system Poliment-Redut.


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:13 am

    [quote="George1"]So 6 in total will be built and then they will move ahead with 22350M


    USC to build two more frigates of project 22350 for Russian Navy



    Project 22350 frigates are the most advanced ships in the Russian Navy

    KUBINKA, March 20. /TASS/. The Severnaya Verf (Northern Shipyard, an affiliate of the United Shipbuilding Corporation) will build two more frigates of project 22350 and push ahead with building a series of corvettes for the Navy, USC President Alexei Rakhmanov told a business conference at the theme park Patriot near Moscow.

    "A decision has been made to build two more frigates at the Northern Shipyard and to continue to build a series of corvettes," Rakhmanov said, adding the project 22350 frigates were identical to The Admiral Gorshkov.

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    Post  Isos on Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:29 am

    They have enough shipyards to build frigates and corvettes in the same time.
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    Post  Hole on Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:07 am

    That´s why he said "and push ahead". Very Happy

    By the way, rumour has it that the fourth Gorshkov will receive 3 modules = 24 silos for missiles.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:38 am

    This system is like an expanded Shtora that jams optical devices including telescopic sights and laser homing devices.

    Shtora is designed to jam the IR sensors in ATGMs that use SACLOS systems... called gionimeters or something that track the IR flare in the tail of the launched ATGM and determine its location in the view of the ATGM system to determine how far it is away from the crosshair (aim point) and then an onboard computer determines what flight commands need to be sent down the wire to manouver the missile so it is on target.

    The Shtora system generates an IR flare that blinds the guidance system so it can't see where the missile is and therefore cannot guide it to hit the target.

    This system would likely achieve that too, but would also dazzle a scope of a conventional rifle or the aiming system of other weapons and electro optical systems so they have trouble aiming at and tracking the ship being protected.
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    Post  Hole on Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:03 pm

    According to the russian MoD the Adm. Gorshkov is now in the Red Sea.
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    Post  Hole on Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:50 am

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:45 pm

    Hole wrote:According to the russian MoD the Adm. Gorshkov is now in the Red Sea.

    Testing Sudan's offer for naval/air base? lol1 lol1 lol1
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    Post  marat on Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:24 pm

    No, destination is China.
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    Post  Isos on Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:53 pm

    marat wrote:No, destination is China.

    Any source ? Why China ?
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Mar 22, 2019 3:01 pm

    Isos wrote:
    marat wrote:No, destination is China.

    Any source ? Why China ?

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    Post  marat on Fri Mar 22, 2019 3:18 pm

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/118307/

    I have posted this link already
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:03 pm


    Looks like 2 new Gorshkovs might be getting laid down this year, this time in 24 Kalibr version

    https://flotprom.ru/2019/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F%D0%92%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%84%D1%8C7/
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:08 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Looks like 2 new Gorshkovs might be getting laid down this year, this time in 24 Kalibr version

    https://flotprom.ru/2019/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F%D0%92%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%84%D1%8C7/

    heh DAT goes quick, I wonder if existing 11356/22350 will be also biffed up (11356 = 16 UKSK + 36 |Shtil-1; 22350 - 24 too ?)
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:09 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Looks like 2 new Gorshkovs might be getting laid down this year, this time in 24 Kalibr version

    https://flotprom.ru/2019/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F%D0%92%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%84%D1%8C7/

    heh DAT goes quick, I wonder if existing 11356/22350 will be also biffed up (11356 = 16 UKSK + 36 |Shtil-1; 22350 - 24 too ?)


    Nah, why bother? And even if they want to they can wait until mid-life overhaul, no rush.

    3x8 UKSK launchers fit nicely in whole multirole thing: 8 anti-ship missiles, 8 anti-sub torpedo missiles and 8 cruise missiles.

    Perfectly balanced as all things should be lol1
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:19 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Looks like 2 new Gorshkovs might be getting laid down this year, this time in 24 Kalibr version

    https://flotprom.ru/2019/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F%D0%92%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%84%D1%8C7/

    heh DAT goes quick, I wonder if existing 11356/22350   will be also biffed up (11356 = 16 UKSK + 36 |Shtil-1; 22350 - 24 too ?)


    Nah, why bother? And even if they want to they can wait until mid-life overhaul, no rush.

    3x8 UKSK launchers fit nicely in whole multirole thing: 8 anti-ship missiles, 8 anti-sub torpedo missiles and 8 cruise missiles.

    Perfectly balanced as all things should be lol1

    They could, or they could just have 12 AshM's and 12 ASW, because the INF Treaty is dead the impetuous to have naval cruise missiles have significantly lessened.

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