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    Post  Hole on Sat Mar 02, 2019 4:40 pm

    This is dangerous. Norwegians and ship traffic… Embarassed
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    Post  verkhoturye51 on Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:09 am

    Meanwhile deep in Scottish bays

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    Gorshkov in Moray Firth some 20 nm or 40 km from Scottish coastline. The group has been joined by tanker Kama, so it's 4 ships now. People on Balancer suggesting it's encircling the world and returning in August.

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    Post  hoom on Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:42 am

    Sheltering from a storm or refuelling?
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    Post  Austin on Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:39 am

    Project 22350 Admiral Sergey Gorshkov, the most extensive compilation in Spanish

    https://armasrusasb.blogspot.com/2019/03/proyecto-22350-almirante-sergey-gorshkov.html
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    Post  Hole on Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:01 am

    hoom wrote:Sheltering from a storm or refuelling?

    This evil russians are working on a new scottish referendum to brake GB into pieces. Very Happy
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:38 pm

    Hole wrote:
    hoom wrote:Sheltering from a storm or refuelling?

    This evil russians are working on a new scottish referendum to brake GB into pieces. Very Happy

    Ironically enough everything under the sun is being scapegoated as 'Russkie Sabotage'......who would've thought McCarthysim would could come back in style, lead by 'Leftists' no-doubt?
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    Post  verkhoturye51 on Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:49 pm

    Sheltering from a storm or refuelling?

    Tass now says it was an exercise. Though Northern fleet HQ have mentioned stormy weather in the Northern sea. Otherwise we'd probably see half of RN ships.

    До этого отряд кораблей отрабатывал "задачи по противодиверсионной обороне при стоянке на незащищенном рейде и противовоздушной обороне с выполнением слежения за воздушными целями радиотехническими средствами" в заливе Мори Ферт (север Шотландии - прим. ТАСС), уточнили в пресс- службе.
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    Post  hoom on Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:31 pm

    "Putin Weaponises Storm to sow Dissent and Separatism!" -Guardian headline probably

    There is precedent for Russian ships sheltering there, K did it in 2011 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/8956262/Russian-warships-park-30-miles-off-Britain-to-shelter-from-storm.html
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:59 am

    Delivering hackers or picking them up I wonder...
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    Post  hoom on Thu Mar 07, 2019 12:12 pm

    Gone through English Channel https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3559932.html
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    Previously, the detachment operated in the Mori Firth Bay, fulfilling the tasks of counter-sabotage defense when parked on an unprotected raid and anti-air defense with tracking of airborne targets by radio equipment.
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    Post  Tingsay on Thu Mar 07, 2019 12:40 pm

    2 contestants for a beauty pageant.
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    Post  verkhoturye51 on Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:24 am

    RF consulate in Edinburgh now says bad weather was the reason for Scottish visit:

    due to adverse weather conditions was forced to approach the coast of Scotland

    https://vz.ru/news/2019/3/8/967537.html

    Still unclear if the story is closed. A lot of sarcasm on Balancer. To go 40 km off Scotland and say you're having drills when RF-UK relations are so tense.
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    Post  hoom on Mon Mar 11, 2019 4:04 am

    On the one hand yes its pretty rude to be that close & doing radar tracking etc.
    On the other hand UK saw nothing wrong with having a Type 45 just off Sevastopol doing the same a while back.

    Unclear whether the Scottish parliament guy just doesn't know the definition of Territorial Waters or if mislead by poor media 'reporting' claiming they were in UK territorial waters.
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    Post  Nibiru on Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:29 am

    Source: Zirkon rocket will be launched from the frigate Admiral Gorshkov at the end of the year

    MOSCOW, March 12. / TASS /. At the end of 2019, the Russian hypersonic rocket Zircon will be launched for the first time from a warship, the frigate of the project 22350 Admiral Gorshkov. This was announced on Tuesday Tass source in the military-industrial complex

    "At the end of this year, it is planned to begin testing the missile from the sea carrier, the lead frigate of project 22350, Admiral Gorshkov, which is part of the Northern Fleet," the agency’s source said. Earlier tests of the rocket were carried out only from the coastal stand, the source recalled.

    TASS does not have official confirmation provided by the source of information.

    As Russian President Vladimir Putin said in his message to the Federal Assembly on February 20, the newest Russian hypersonic Zircon rocket can reach speeds of about 9 Machs, and its range can exceed 1 thousand km. The head of state noted that Zircon can destroy both sea and land targets. The president also said that the use of the new rocket is provided from ships and submarines that have already been produced or are being built for Caliber missile systems.

    Later, the rear admiral, Candidate of Technical Sciences Vsevolod Khmyrov, told reporters that ships and submarines armed with Zircon could destroy key elements of control, in particular missiles that could be deployed in Europe, within five minutes.
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    Post  xeno on Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:54 am

    So it can be launched from UKSK on 22350...
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    Post  kvs on Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:06 am

    hoom wrote:On the one hand yes its pretty rude to be that close & doing radar tracking etc.
    On the other hand UK saw nothing wrong with having a Type 45 just off Sevastopol doing the same a while back.

    Unclear whether the Scottish parliament guy just doesn't know the definition of Territorial Waters or if mislead by poor media 'reporting' claiming they were in UK territorial waters.
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    It is a routine NATO propaganda tactic to speak of some military zone (e.g. ADIZ) as if it was territorial and not an ad hoc and
    not legally binding construct. The average NATO MSM consumer sap does not have enough focus to pick out the distinction
    so this lie is effective.

    Reports in the NATO MSM always refer to Russian aircraft or ships being "intercepted" but omit the context that this is in international
    airspace of waters. But when Russia intercepts NATO spy planes it is always cast as some sort of dangerous maneuver in international
    airspace and cast as harassment. A cheap propaganda circus designed to herd the NATO sheeple.

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    Post  verkhoturye51 on Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:59 pm

    Speaking about harassment....a P-8 from Sicily went sniffing on Gorshkov's group yesterday. Dropped from 10 km to 150 m over them it made a turn, just as the ships made an interesting turn, possibly an evasive maneuver?

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    P-8 chart is from Balancer.
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    Post  verkhoturye51 on Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:15 pm

    Russia is increasing its naval presence in the Mediterranean. Gorshkov's 4 ship squadron could be soon joined with destroyer Severomorsk and submarine Krasnodar that recently transited Bosphorus. Yury Ivanov intelligence ship also sailed from Sevastopol yesterday, and the day before Ropucha Tsezar Kunikov. Admiral Essen is already in the Mediterranean.

    A simulation from this morning predicts a rendez vous on Sunday.

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    Post  hoom on Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:40 pm

    submarine Krasnodar that recently transited Bosphorus
    I'll believe it went through the Bosphorus when I see a photo of it there heading South.
    Having gone in it can't come out without needing to leave for repair.

    There does seem to be a build up for Syrian offensive to liquidate the Al Queda dominated Idlib pocket.

    Edit: gonna follow this up on the Kilo thread.
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    Post  George1 on Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:09 am

    Russia develops new frigates capable of carrying nearly 50 cruise missiles - source


    The frigates will have a displacement of up to 7,000 tonnes

    MOSCOW, March 17. /TASS/. The Northern design bureau has started developing the construction documentation for modernized frigates of Project 22350M capable of carrying up to 48 Kalibr cruise missiles, a source in the defense and production sector told TASS on Sunday.

    "The Northern design bureau has completed designing frigates of Project 22350M and is now developing working design documentation for these vessels in line with the customer’s tactical and technical order," the source said.

    The frigates will have a displacement of up to 7,000 tonnes. The vessels will also carry Zircon hypersonic cruise missiles.

    The new frigates will have a universal automated fire control system for all destruction means. "This will significantly boost their combat capability," the source stressed.

    Russia’s Navy currently has in its service the lead ship of project 22350, the Admiral Gorshkov. The first serial Admiral Kasatonov frigate of project 22350 is running trials. These ships have a displacement of 4,500 tonnes, and each of them can carry up to 16 Kalibr cruise missiles.


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    Post  dino00 on Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:38 pm

    George1 wrote:

    Russia develops new frigates capable of carrying nearly 50 cruise missiles - source



    The frigates will have a displacement of up to 7,000 tonnes

    MOSCOW, March 17. /TASS/. The Northern design bureau has started developing the construction documentation for modernized frigates of Project 22350M capable of carrying up to 48 Kalibr cruise missiles, a source in the defense and production sector told TASS on Sunday.

    "The Northern design bureau has completed designing frigates of Project 22350M and is now developing working design documentation for these vessels in line with the customer’s tactical and technical order," the source said.

    The frigates will have a displacement of up to 7,000 tonnes. The vessels will also carry Zircon hypersonic cruise missiles.

    The new frigates will have a universal automated fire control system for all destruction means. "This will significantly boost their combat capability," the source stressed.

    Russia’s Navy currently has in its service the lead ship of project 22350, the Admiral Gorshkov. The first serial Admiral Kasatonov frigate of project 22350 is running trials. These ships have a displacement of 4,500 tonnes, and each of them can carry up to 16 Kalibr cruise missiles.


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    Great News the kalibration/Zirkonization of the Russian Navy should go full speed, 48 missiles in a 7000 tonnes frigate is very impressive
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:03 pm


    7000 tonnes is pretty much same as Udaloi-class.

    With​ 50 UKSK cells plus AA VLS cells it would have roughly same number of missiles as Arleigh Burke-class.

    If they get this off the ground they will solve many problems for many years to come.

    They will definitely need new class name though, this one would be twice the size of Gorshkov.



    Although they could easily double the number of cruise missiles on standard Gorshkov simply by replacing main gun with something smaller to free up space. Who the heck needs 130mm gun in this day and age?

    75mm is more than plenty. Personally I'd just settle for 57mm for warning shots and let missiles do the rest.

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    Post  Isos on Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:15 pm


    75mm is more than plenty. Personally I'd just settle for 57mm for warning shots and let missiles do the rest.

    76mm for Ru navy.

    Bug guns are very capable. They can shot down anti ship missiles too. And ships are often at gun range. However 130 mm fir gorshkov is too much. Agree about a 76mm.
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    Post  LMFS on Sun Mar 17, 2019 3:58 pm

    Impressive! Let's call it a frigate if we want, but that is a destroyer, or am I missing something??
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:37 pm

    LMFS wrote:Impressive! Let's call it a frigate if we want, but that is a destroyer, or am I missing something??


    48 UKSK-M  -> frigate
    112 UKSK-M ->destroyer

    now better ?  lol1 lol1 lol1



    So in CSG 1 Lider + 2 Gorskhov-M you can have up to 200 CMs? enough to send UK to middle ages...



    PapaDragon wrote:
    7000 tonnes is pretty much same as Udaloi-class.

    With​ 50 UKSK cells plus AA VLS cells it would have roughly same number of missiles as Arleigh Burke-class.


    Though Burke has 90 cells but cells are shared between CM/AAMs. Tomahawks so far are not ASh.So they have 8 Harpoons if Im correct.


    PD wrote: Although they could easily double the number of cruise missiles on standard Gorshkov simply by replacing main gun with something smaller to free up space. Who the heck needs 130mm gun in this day and age?

    to have relatively cheap 120km range anti-ship/shore bombardment?

    https://www.leonardocompany.com/en/-/vulcano-127mm

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