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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:53 pm

    Azi wrote:
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    ~100 su57 is enough. Specially for Russia who doesn't bet on air supremacy but on big land operations with its air defence denying the enemy's air force the airspace above the battles.
    I don't think that 100 would be enough, because it's the platform of the future and if older aircraft are phased out, you need Su-57. Around 250 Su-57 should serve RuAF well.

    6000 nukes is good, but a big war without using ballistic nukes is still possible. What will happen if in the Baltic the nazi scum will treat Russians like shit and start killing them in pogroms? Will Russia just watch? And if Russia will intervene you have a war between NATO and Russia. And don't argue with suicide, because stupidity of mankind is endless and it happened so many times in history. The problem is not USA,western europe or Russia, the real problem is the insanity and stupidity of east european nationalists and NAZIs. Poland and the Baltics are playing at the moment a really bad game...and nobody knows how the future will look.

    So better to have Su-57 than not! Better to have more Su-57 than less! That means not to waste money like USSR Wink

    Agreed.

    Su-57's mixed with MiG-31's are ideal in protecting airspace while Su-30's can be used for strikes while ground forces used in many nearby conflicts.

    Those Baltic countries are gearing up to stir a fight with Russia
    Best be prepared by having right equipment.
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    Post  Isos on Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:15 am

    Are you serious ? What baltic country is powerfull enough to do anything to Russia ? They would be destroyed in 1 day by 12 su57. They almost have no army. 100 su-57 and the other jets would give them the victory against any neighbour.

    Modern military ops are not about destroying enemy's military but its economy. Hit its 20 largest companies, rail road and power stations and the country falls apart with no more money for the military unless its a big country. That's why cruise missiles are made.

    Russia can't compete on 1 vs 1 against nato. Its military answer to a nato agression would be nuks. Nato has total advantage in long term war against russia. Its 20 or so of the richest countries against Russia. No way they would not use nuks.
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    Post  Azi on Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:33 am

    Isos wrote:Are you serious ? What baltic country is powerfull enough to do anything to Russia ?
    Killing Russians in the Baltic??? If the antirussian hysteria maybe reaches is next peak and some selfstyled fascist "defender of the homeland" think the best way to keep the Russian out is to harass, deport or maybe kill the minority. Don't forget the baltic countries feel very very powerful, because they think every idiocy is backed by EU and USA. That was the mistake of NATO membership of the Baltics, for comparison Finland is neutral and relies on a good army and diplomatic skills, not a big buddy in background.

    Same problem is Ukraine! How powerful is Ukraine? What kind of military harm can the inflict upon Russia? Nevertheless their kind of idiocracy creating conflicts with Russia is legendary. We talk about the idiotic establishment of the country and some NAZI hooligans on the frontline, not the silent mass of brave Ukrainians...problem of Ukraine is that the sane mass of people is too silent!

    Isos wrote:Modern military ops are not about destroying enemy's military but its economy. Hit its 20 largest companies, rail road and power stations and the country falls apart with no more money for the military unless its a big country. That's why cruise missiles are made.
    And THAT is exact what NATO would inflict to Russia. First act would be precision strikes to vital infrastructue and economy. The strikes would last a few weeks, maybe with small tactical nukes involved, but unlikely. After a few weeks a peace would be brokered to the disadvantage of Russia. And the last act would be to catalyse the fracture of Russia through independence of regions, of a economic and political weakened Russia.

    On the other hand a successfully military campaign against Poland and the Baltic would lead to advantageous peace for Russia. They couldn't of course stay long in the Baltic and Poland with heavy losses, due to resistance of partizans, but long enough to have something really important in peacetalks. Result could be a demilitarized Baltic and Poland, strengthen the political position of Russia, with former USSR countries knowing who is the chief Wink

    A war with NATO and Russia wouldn't escalate to a point of ballistic nukes! I think Pentagon has set a bodycount for a conflict with Russia...but I don't know how high it is, maybe 5.000 dead or maybe 20.000?! Only if the antirussian hysteria goes complete out of hand a war with ballistic nukes is possible.

    Isos wrote:Russia can't compete on 1 vs 1 against nato. Its military answer to a nato agression would be nuks. Nato has total advantage in long term war against russia. Its 20 or so of the richest countries against Russia. No way they would not use nuks.
    Of course Russia can compete against NATO!!! NATO is loose organization of 29 countries, including military powerhouses like Iceland (no army!) or Albania. It's even better with Northmacedonia now! It's difficult to command and organize all parts from all armies of different countries. Only real threat is USA, France, Italy, Spain, Germany and UK (maybe Turkey if involved). From these countries only USA has all the abilities Russia has. Take a look at air defense...most NATO countries lacks the simplest AD systems. Germany knows that Patriot MIM-104 is crap and want to replace it with MEADS, but MEADS is only in design stage.

    The russian army is tight organized, that leads to quick decisions and fast moves on battlefield. NATO can only react with given disadvantage to organize army and logistics of 29 countries. Real problem is if Uncle Sam is fully operational in Europe, then a enemy with all technological, military and logistical capabilities is present. Uncle Sam would need a few months to be present in Europe, the USAF and US Navy a few weeks.

    And Uncle Sam is the only one that would use tactical nukes, because he knows he contaminates not his own country, only the middle of Europe Wink


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    Post  Azi on Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:47 am

    miketheterrible wrote:Agreed.

    Su-57's mixed with MiG-31's are ideal in protecting airspace while Su-30's can be used for strikes while ground forces used in many nearby conflicts.

    Those Baltic countries are gearing up to stir a fight with Russia
    Best be prepared by having right equipment.
    Around 250 Su-57 and 80 Mig-31 (soon Mig-41) would be perfect enough. The S-500, S-400 and Mig-31 would kill high value targets like AWACS, satellites and tanker. All other AD-systems and Mig-31 could handle a massive cruise missile attack. The Su-57 then could go hunting F-35 and F-22 with transferred data of the IADS and the kill ratio would be very high for Su-57. All the advantages, the Muricans are praising in endless prayer loops, of "stealth" would fall into the hands of Su-57! All the fancy stuff Murica is so proud of wouldn't work in a conflict with Russia...stealth, GPS, cyberwarfare etc...

    In a defensive posture with all AD-systems combined RuAF can easy beat the whole power of USAF. Of course out of border is a complete different story!
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:58 am

    Azi wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:Agreed.

    Su-57's mixed with MiG-31's are ideal in protecting airspace while Su-30's can be used for strikes while ground forces used in many nearby conflicts.

    Those Baltic countries are gearing up to stir a fight with Russia
    Best be prepared by having right equipment.
    Around 250 Su-57 and 80 Mig-31 (soon Mig-41) would be perfect enough. The S-500, S-400 and Mig-31 would kill high value targets like AWACS, satellites and tanker. All other AD-systems and Mig-31 could handle a massive cruise missile attack. The Su-57 then could go hunting F-35 and F-22 with transferred data of the IADS and the kill ratio would be very high for Su-57. All the advantages, the Muricans are praising in endless prayer loops, of "stealth" would fall into the hands of Su-57! All the fancy stuff Murica is so proud of wouldn't work in a conflict with Russia...stealth, GPS, cyberwarfare etc...

    In a defensive posture with all AD-systems combined RuAF can easy beat the whole power of USAF. Of course out of border is a complete different story!

    Yeap.

    Russia is prepared for being hit by hundreds or thousands of cruise missiles. Hence their IADS setup and reintroduction plus modernization of MiG-31's (already over 100 units modernized with rumor of more to come). Su-35 and Su-57 would be patrolling and protecting Russian airspace hunting jets.

    Nebo M and other radar to detect stealth would be transmitting data to the jets.

    If US used mini nukes, Russia would retaliate with regular nukes. So US knows not to do that. If they did, well, it's end for NATO European countries and possibly US.
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:31 am

    Su-57 are intended as anti-stealth fighters, to use good RCS in frontal arc to close with the enemy, use beaming to confuse pulse-doppler radar (while using their own LERX mounted AESA arrays to track the enemy and guide their own missiles), and to kill the enemy in a good old-fashioned knife fight when it gets up close and personal due to their superior agility. Non-stealth and long-range AAMs are intended to kill AWACS and tankers to degrade USAF/NATO fighter capabilities, while Iskanders and ALCMs (& soon GLCMs) neutralise their airbases.

    Russian 4++ fighters will be effective against NATOstani 5G when operating inside friendly IADS, especially in concert with Su-57 where F-22/35 are pre-occupied with the greater threat, allowing 4++ to kill support aircraft, takedown incoming stand-off missiles, and support the Su-57s in boosting the numbers of outgoing long-range AAMs in anti-stealth BVR engagements. US scenarios about dominating BVR combat against 4++ are nothing but self-fondlings and hot-air exhalations - consider how the Indian Su-30MKIs recently shrugged off the Pakistani AMRAAM ambush in Kashmir without losses and the Pak F-16s fled the field rather than stick around.

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    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:59 am

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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:45 am

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    Post  Isos on Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:58 am

    Killing Russians in the Baltic??? If the antirussian hysteria maybe reaches is next peak and some selfstyled fascist "defender of the homeland" think the best way to keep the Russian out is to harass, deport or maybe kill the minority. Don't forget the baltic countries feel very very powerful, because they think every idiocy is backed by EU and USA. That was the mistake of NATO membership of the Baltics, for comparison Finland is neutral and relies on a good army and diplomatic skills, not a big buddy in background.

    Same problem is Ukraine! How powerful is Ukraine? What kind of military harm can the inflict upon Russia? Nevertheless their kind of idiocracy creating conflicts with Russia is legendary. We talk about the idiotic establishment of the country and some NAZI hooligans on the frontline, not the silent mass of brave Ukrainians...problem of Ukraine is that the sane mass of people is too silent!

    Ukraine was and is a shithole country. Nazi's were supported by US to destroy the country. Who support them now ? No one. You really think they will come in EU or NATO. The mass of good people stayed silent because they though they would get something better.

    Western people and russian people (those who are educated and with good living standards) will never allow a war that could destroy them.

    Contrary to what you are saying baltics know very well that it is very unlikely US protect them in case of full invasion.

    Your paranoic scenarios are not realistic at all.


    HUD and display...possibly for the Su-57E..apparently the HUD can display a video stream (as shown) (Source: Paralay forum)

    Full of green color. They could have improved the quality, even smartphones are better than this.
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    Post  headshot69 on Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:49 am

    ...what are small sized transparent HUDs for?...they are on both sides of main HUD...
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:07 am


    Common give me a break... you claim 189 F-22 is not enough for Americans..
    but is far better than the ZERO!!!! stealth planes that Russia have in service.

    But the Americans need their stealth aircraft... when they invade or intimidate or attack a country it is their leading fighters they tend to prefer to use and they try to use them rather regularly.

    Russia doesn't really need Stealth fighters at all except to undermine the potential effect US stealth fighters would have against european Russia.

    To be honest, an Su-35 with new missiles would probably hold its own against F-22s for the hour or two needed to start launching missiles and then it will all be over anyway.

    I support Russia military and hope they do
    great.. but to mock the few hundreds of stealth planes Americans have..
    while Russia have NONE.. No Is not a serious argument. you are simply no different
    that F-16 net trolls.. if you consider US airforce with 189 f-22 "not enough" versus
    what Russia have..zero now and 65 in 10 years..

    Where does Russia need Stealth fighters?

    It really doesn't.

    But with the proliferation of S-300s and S-400s and Su-35s the US would probably struggle to invade India or Iran let alone China or Russia... the US needs rather more stealth fighters than it has except the ones it is currently producing are flawed and are not worth the enormous cost, but they are making them anyway... not realising they are digging their own grave.

    So lets see F-22 189 is not enough now , but 65 Su-57 in 2028 is good enough ?

    You are not asking the right question.... why does the US need any? Why does Russia need any?

    The US needs them for use against any country with a semi decent air defence network including S-300 or S-400 missile systems or Su-30 or Su-35 type fighters... and the number of countries in that group are expanding all the time... as I mentioned even with F-35s Israel wont enter Syrian airspace... is that because they are sticking to their agreements? Bullshit. they don't know what sticking to agreements even means. They stay out of Syrian airspace and launch mass attacks from long range in the hope that one or two weapons might slip through and they can claim they dominate Syrian airspace... PATHETIC.

    If Russia needs to use its 76 Su-57s to fend off NATOs 3,000 F-35s then they really don't need any because those airbases will flash with the light of sunlight within minutes.

    Progress is nice and stealth is like wearing camouflage, which is also good, but what American is trying to sell us is the emperor with no clothes... stealth is not everything, which is what they are selling it as.

    and Russia only have a ~100 Su-35's still outgunned by US f-22s..

    The vast majority of US F-22s will remain in US airspace to try to shoot down the cruise missiles the Bears and Blackjacks will be delivering their way, Su-35s won't even being in the same airspace, except in places like Syria where the US has sent their planes for fun and games.

    And about 200 very old migs-29 and similar number in su-27 /30 that will be no match
    for F-22. or F-35.

    Most of the fighting will take place in Russian airspace in which it will be S-300 and S-350 and S-400 and soon S-500 taking out all those F-35s and any F-22s they might send to Europe (but wont because any not in the US will be immediately sent home to stop incoming cruise missiles).

    End of story US airforce is far stronger and superior than what Russia have..

    No it isn't... Russian Army air defences would probably nullify the US Air Force on their own... the US AF has poor performance against motivated well trained enemies... look at Kosovo... if they had the modern weapons the Russians had at the time the US AF would have been obliterated even without an air force.

    The US AF is both an air force and an air defence force... most of the time we see her in all her glory they really don't have much of an opposing enemy air force to fight and once they had cleaned them up it was all attack... against Russia or China it will struggle to balance both jobs which will likely leave friendly ground forces exposed and vulnerable because the US Army is not used to defending itself from enemy air power.

    Those F-22 and F-35 will be snipping from distance ,see fist and hit first.. Russia airforce is the weakest part of Russia military ,,but at least Putin have very nice Olympic stadiums.. for football..

    IF the Russian air force is fighting the US air force within minutes IRBMs and IRCMs will be obliterating NATO airfields with nuclear explosions... and those F-22s even if they were present in Europe will be firing AMRAAMs and Sidewinders against aircraft with proper ESM systems that would render those missiles bloody useless... which will mean it will come down to a gun fight... and how do you rate MiG-29s and Su-27s and Su-30s and Su-35s vs F-22s and F-35s in a gun fight?

    , In the future 5-10 years they have plans for 65.. stealth planes,still behind those 189.. in short Russia airforce will be in a major disadvantage vs US airforce in the middle of pacific for example.. it will be one side battle in US airforce favor.. Su-57 could end being better than F-22.. but numbers that Russia plans to have up to 2028 ,are too few --> 65, and i don't see how 65 are better than 189 f-22s + 300 F-35. by 2028 US have plans to build twice the number they have now.. So those 65 Su-57 sukhois plane will be facing more than 600+ stealth planes.. a total rape in the ass.

    Not when you consider their air bases will be glowing before they even take off.

    Only a fucking idiot would think it would be a good idea to spend billions over the next decade to build stealth fighters for WWIII when the money has already been spent to build nuclear weapons that already solve the problem.

    Russia doesn't need more territory... its goals during WWIII will be survival and self defence from threatening neighbours... the solution is not stealth fighters because if Russia beat NATO by having 3,000 Su-57s then NATO would just launch nuclear weapons at Russia to defend itself.

    It makes rather more sense for Russia to build a few stealth fighters and export quite a few more and build tactical nuclear weapons of intermediate range (thanks trump).


    Only chance Russia airforce can compete is in a preventive surprise attack .. and sink US aircraft carriers.. so they can't deploy their planes fast enough , and perhaps hit F-22s bases with hypersonic missiles ,before they take off.. but in a more or less fair fight ,it will be a one side battle in US airforce favor.

    Only an idiot would fight fair, and nuking NATO bases would be step one, any aircraft that get in to the air are probably in S-400 range so shoot them down.

    I don't think that 100 would be enough, because it's the platform of the future and if older aircraft are phased out, you need Su-57. Around 250 Su-57 should serve RuAF well.

    The thing is that the Su-35 and MiG-35 are very capable modern aircraft in their own right and together with Su-57 would actually be rather formidable.

    They are not as stealthy as the F-35 claims to be but 9 weapon pylons and about 14 weapon pylons makes a huge difference in terms of what you can do... and more importantly with very long range AAMs they can take down NATOs eyes by taking on their AWACS aircraft and their inflight refuelling aircraft to greatly shorten their legs too.

    Killing Russians in the Baltic???

    The Ukrainian government already burned down buildings with pro Russians inside and shot anyone who tried to save themselves from the flames... If Latvia or Lithuania or Estonia want to murder their own civilians... whether they speak Russian or not... Russia is unlikely to invade or attack.

    Around 250 Su-57 and 80 Mig-31 (soon Mig-41) would be perfect enough. The S-500, S-400 and Mig-31 would kill high value targets like AWACS, satellites and tanker. All other AD-systems and Mig-31 could handle a massive cruise missile attack. The Su-57 then could go hunting F-35 and F-22 with transferred data of the IADS and the kill ratio would be very high for Su-57. All the advantages, the Muricans are praising in endless prayer loops, of "stealth" would fall into the hands of Su-57! All the fancy stuff Murica is so proud of wouldn't work in a conflict with Russia...stealth, GPS, cyberwarfare etc...

    The west has two types of modern fighter aircraft... fourth gen fighters which are all legacy fighters designed to gain and hold air superiority, and 5th gen fighters which are really designed to dominate countries with 4th and 3rd generation fighter aircraft.

    The Russians have two types of modern fighter, they have the 4th gen fighters but those fighters are optimised to deal with 4th and 5th gen fighters, while their 5th gen fighters are also optimised for hunting down stealth fighters as well as previous generation fighters too.

    MiG-29SMT and MiG-35 and Su-30 and Su-35 will probably be more valuable than MiG-31 in a fight against NATO fighters than you give them credit for... and will make the Su-57 more capable and more effective with their support, than would a few hundred more Su-57s offer.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:08 am

    headshot69 wrote:...what are small sized transparent HUDs for?...they are on both sides of main HUD...

    For extra data ?

    According to another poster, they're used to show the data when the video stream is played on the main HUD..


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    Post  GarryB on Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:12 am

    Full of green color. They could have improved the quality, even smartphones are better than this.

    Green is a bright clear colour that is easy for the human eye to process and should be easily visible even when pulling g forces... it is commonly used in aircraft cockpit displays.

    I would add that much of the information displayed would also be seen by the pilot in his helmet mounted visor too.
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    Post  thegopnik on Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:40 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    GarryB wrote:

    So let them think the F-35 is brilliant and they only need 189 F-22s and everything is fine... let them stew in their ignorance... it is fine.

    And the absolute best US standard models with Israeli extras wont even enter Syrian airspace because they fear being shot down by Syria... they were better off with F-16s.

    Common give me a break... you claim 189 F-22 is not enough for Americans..
    but is far better than the ZERO!!!! stealth planes that Russia have in service.
    you can do better than that Garryb..  I support Russia military and hope they do
    great.. but to mock the few hundreds of stealth planes Americans have..
    while Russia have NONE..   No  Is not a serious argument. you are simply no different
    that F-16 net trolls.. if you consider US airforce with 189 f-22 "not enough" versus
    what Russia have..zero now and 65 in 10 years..

    So lets see F-22 189 is not enough now , but 65 Su-57 in 2028 is good enough ?   Rolling Eyes

    and Russia only have a ~100 Su-35's still outgunned by US f-22s..
    And about 200 very old migs-29 and similar number in su-27 /30 that will be no match
    for F-22. or F-35..

    End of story US airforce is far stronger and superior than what Russia have..
    Russia could be save in mother land ,thanks to S-400s.. but in a fight in open sea ,the
    Russian airforce wil be in a major one side combat ,with them losing..Those F-22 and F-35 will be snipping from distance ,see fist and hit first.. Russia airforce is the weakest part of Russia military ,,but at least Putin have very nice Olympic stadiums.. for football..  Laughing

    , In the future 5-10 years they have plans for 65.. stealth planes,still behind those 189.. in short Russia airforce will be in a major disadvantage vs US airforce in the middle of pacific for example.. it will be one side battle in US airforce favor..  Su-57 could end being better than F-22.. but numbers that Russia plans to have up to 2028 ,are too few --> 65,  and i don't see how 65 are better than 189 f-22s + 300 F-35. by 2028 US have plans to build twice the number they have now.. So those 65 Su-57 sukhois plane will be facing more than 600+ stealth planes.. a total rape in the ass.

    Only chance Russia airforce can compete is in a preventive surprise attack .. and sink US aircraft carriers.. so they can't deploy their planes fast enough , and perhaps hit F-22s bases with hypersonic missiles ,before they take off.. but in a more or less fair fight ,it will be a one side battle in US airforce favor.

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    I only had 2 warnings and yet I got immediately banned and my last posts to Xanders gets deleted as well. I disagree with someone thinking air superiority you can only win sea and land battles. Xanders gets angry and thinks the battles the US has had is similar to dealing with Russia.

    I am going to say the same thing my deleted post had said to another aviation forum before everyone went on a chimp out in which the admin had to take care of as well

    I think you are the same user. so 1st of all it takes over 38,000 NATO combat flight missions to defeat the Serbs. The battle would mainly be in Europe so each US aircraft is only limited to one flight and that is it. fuel stations and ammunition depositories would all be destroyed. Stealth aircrafts eventually have to land satellites and OTH radars will give the positions of 100+ million dollar aircrafts away since land, restock and refuel might take awhile than to slowly take off would give the Russians enough time to send 1 million dollar missiles to waste each aircraft. The north Atlantic ocean is vast and than there is the fact that 2 submarines in the future can immediately sink 80 ships with ease along with sinking other submarines with brand new SONAR and torpedoes that outrange anything any adversary has. The US to aid Europe would not be possible because there are no sea platforms to hold their aircrafts. So now this leaves the option of crossing Alaska to Siberia which of course is vast no restock on ammunition or refuel so sending aircrafts is as good as retarded. Literally any conflict with the Russians would result in the US leaving their soldiers left for dead in Europe, middle east if both sides are not using nukes but conventional warheads for destruction instead.

    Europe's Ground force, air defense and missile technology is significantly weak. There are enough Russians SAMs to deal with aircrafts and air to ground ammunitions. They are all limited to 1 flight so that's it. Meanwhile the Russians have all these hypersonic missile projects that can pierce Europes air defenses and destroying them. So Europe is left without any decent air defenses or aircrafts. I agree with Xanders that we have more military equipment, missiles to destroy the Russians but they can do the same thing vice versa with the right amount of missiles resulting in both sides losing without any nukes except that NATO would lose more financially.

    Some users have 3-4 warnings yet I get immediately deleted when I disagreed with someone explaining why I disagreed with them, other user disagrees and mocks me, but in the end it does not change the fact that although air superiority is important it is not exactly a priority to win with against a country's who's SAM missiles outnumbers what your entire air force is able to carry. SAMs can cover other SAMs and when those aircrafts fly back they will have nothing left to re-stock and refuel on and by the time they land they will be immediately destroyed. The Russians also have the capability to cut off US forces support from over seas or over land. This also one of the reasons why the US is paranoid about the Russians having missiles that are over 500kms.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:35 am

    This also one of the reasons why the US is paranoid about the Russians having missiles that are over 500kms.

    A bit Ironic because the US have just handed the Russians permission to make as many missiles as they want with ranges over 500km on land and they will likely unify the designs so they can be used at sea and in the air as well....

    Xanders gets angry and thinks the battles the US has had is similar to dealing with Russia.

    Actually he is probably right, the only problem is that he is not thinking about the battles that will be similar to any battles with Russia... like the war on drugs, which the US uses to destabilise entire countries and then the CIA goes in and uses the drug trade to generate revenue... the difference is that normally the US destabilises countries and fights them to make money on weapons and selling more weapons to neighbours and allies.

    It is like a war on Russia because the described goals are bullshit and it is a conflict they can never actually win even if they tried and half the time they are not even really trying because the real goal is not to destroy drugs or Russia... it is to keep US weapons makers profits in the black so when you retire from your job as secretary of state you can retire to a nice very high paying job at Boeing or Northrop and use your ties in the pentagon to get even better arms deals for your new company... neither of which give a shit about america or the american people.

    The War of Terror is another amusing battle for the US... they help moderate terrorists to fight the terrorism that is democratically elected leaders like Maduro or Assad. Even Al Quada get weapons and funding and support to fight the man standing in the way of Kuwaiti and UAE and Saudi gas from getting to europe in competition with Russian gas...

    You can get banned for personal abuse, but I wont ban anyone for having different views... this is not Hollywood, or the US Senate or the DNC.
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    Post  mnztr on Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:00 am

    will the production planes have the new engine in the first batch?
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:24 am

    mnztr wrote:will the production planes have the new engine in the first batch?

    No they won't
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    Post  Austin on Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:11 am

    “Unimaginable acceleration to supersonic”: test pilot about the characteristics of the Su-57

    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/cont...218-Xj7eE.html

    Rescue for the fifth generation: the developer of the ejection seat Su-57


    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content...514-56E8F.html
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:01 pm

    will the production planes have the new engine in the first batch?

    I doubt it.

    The new engine was always intended as a power improvement for a midlife upgrade when it had gotten heavier with new systems and requirements.

    Even if the first 50 have the old engines and then they start fitting the new engines from then on it wont be that big of a deal... and Su-57 with the old engines has engines more powerful than the Su-35 and in a smaller lighter aircraft with low drag because weapons are carried internally... and soon it will get even better engines...
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    Post  Isos on Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:03 pm

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russia-might-sell-its-deadly-su-57e-stealth-fighter-another-country-asia-80571

    Myanmar may buy the su-57.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:18 am

    The su-57 tested the latest secure communications system

    Report on the testing of the latest version of the system of communication, navigation and identification on the fifth generation fighter, the su-57. We are talking about the system OSNOD (unified communication system, data exchange, navigation and identification), which is characterized by high parameters of cryptographic protection and noise immunity.

    In particular, the system uses error-correction coding with data recovery. The enemy is deprived of the possibility of intercepting the information flow, which goes from one plane to another, or from aircraft to ground and Vice versa.

    According to Alexey Ratner, the system passing the test is one of the most noise-immune communication and navigation systems

    https://topwar.ru/162559-na-su-57-provodjat-ispytanie-novoj-versii-sistemy-svjazi-s-kriptozaschitoj.html

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6897150
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    Post  hoom on Sat Sep 28, 2019 8:35 am


    I'm seeing this billed as the 'S-70 flying in formation with Su-57' but its actually not, the manned Su-57 is flying wingman to the S-70, thats a whole lot different.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:05 am

    Sergey Bogdan interview on his experience flying the Su-57

    Arrow https://super-arsenal.ru/blog/43320932666/Letchik-ispyitatel-rasskazyivayet-o-rossiyskom-istrebitele-5-go-?nr=1


    In one part he compares the Su-57 with the Su-27/35



    About a year I did not fly the su-27, and then had to fly on it. Already flying up, I felt it's too heavy and completely unnatural, as if I flew on bomber, not on fighter.

    but the progress of the 5th generation compared to 4th serious enough even from the point of view of the control system. To describe in the simplest terms, with all my deepest respect for the su-27 I can say that compared su-35 and T-50 is like a truck and a car. All in all, again, I stress, my deepest respect for the su-27, which similarly differs from the aircraft of the 3rd generation such as su-17 and su-24 as a passenger car from a truck.
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    Post  flamming_python on Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:08 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:Sergey Bogdan interview on his experience flying the Su-57

    Arrow https://super-arsenal.ru/blog/43320932666/Letchik-ispyitatel-rasskazyivayet-o-rossiyskom-istrebitele-5-go-?nr=1


    In one part he compares the Su-57 with the Su-27/35



    About a year I did not fly the su-27, and then had to fly on it. Already flying up, I felt it's too heavy and completely unnatural, as if I flew on bomber, not on fighter.

    but the progress of the 5th generation compared to 4th serious enough even from the point of view of the control system. To describe in the simplest terms, with all my deepest respect for the su-27 I can say that compared su-35 and T-50 is like a truck and a car. All in all, again, I stress, my deepest respect for the su-27, which similarly differs from the aircraft of the 3rd generation such as su-17 and su-24 as a passenger car from a truck.

    I presume that he's talking about the baseline Su-27 though, not the Su-35 with its fly-by-wire systems, TVC and advanced controls, avionics.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:47 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:Sergey Bogdan interview on his experience flying the Su-57

    Arrow https://super-arsenal.ru/blog/43320932666/Letchik-ispyitatel-rasskazyivayet-o-rossiyskom-istrebitele-5-go-?nr=1


    In one part he compares the Su-57 with the Su-27/35



    About a year I did not fly the su-27, and then had to fly on it. Already flying up, I felt it's too heavy and completely unnatural, as if I flew on bomber, not on fighter.

    but the progress of the 5th generation compared to 4th serious enough even from the point of view of the control system. To describe in the simplest terms, with all my deepest respect for the su-27 I can say that compared su-35 and T-50 is like a truck and a car. All in all, again, I stress, my deepest respect for the su-27, which similarly differs from the aircraft of the 3rd generation such as su-17 and su-24 as a passenger car from a truck.

    I presume that he's talking about the baseline Su-27 though, not the Su-35 with its fly-by-wire systems, TVC and advanced controls, avionics.

    Hence the second last sentence. He compares the Su-27 to Su-35 as a Truck vs a Car. So Su-35 is flying car while the Su-27 is rather hard to fly with thus a truck.

    But damn the Su-27 was a fantastic aircraft even today with its upgrades.

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