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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:43 am

    Isos wrote:https://tass.com/defense/1067657

    Russia offers to India to resume its participation on joint su-57 project.


    I have a suggestion: India can buy them are the full market price and each hull will be emblazoned with words: "GET BENT!!!"


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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:56 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Isos wrote:https://tass.com/defense/1067657

    Russia offers to India to resume its participation on joint su-57 project.


    I have a suggestion: India can buy them are the full market price and each hull will be emblazoned with words: "GET BENT!!!"



    Agreed.

    India has been one of the shittiest customers and self gratifying too
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:28 am

    Even at full market price they will be a fraction of what western countries are paying for their F-35s... I think it would be better for Russia to let India buy some F-35s first, and after a few years see what they think because we know India likes to haggle and no pay full price for things... it is a cultural thing... in a market trade situation there is no such thing as reccommended retail price... so asking price is just the start of negotiations...
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    Post  dino00 on Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:36 am

    Su-57 fighters will be able to be based on a new aircraft carrier

    Fifth generation Su-57 fighters will be able to be based on a new non-nuclear multi-purpose aircraft carrier, the concept of which was developed at the Krylov Center . This was stated by the head of the center Pavel Filippov.

    According to Filippov, the basing of the Su-57 on this aircraft carrier is possible under the condition of the adaptation of the aircraft to the ship.

    “Theoretically, it is possible to take some of these planes on board, provided they are“ retained ”, he told RIA Novosti in an interview.

    Filippov said that he means, in particular, lightening the weight of fighters and changing some elements of the Su-57 design.

    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/2019710946-68SNv.html

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    Post  dino00 on Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:38 am

    dino00 wrote:Su-57 fighters will be able to be based on a new aircraft carrier

    Fifth generation Su-57 fighters will be able to be based on a new non-nuclear multi-purpose aircraft carrier, the concept of which was developed at the Krylov Center . This was stated by the head of the center Pavel Filippov.

    According to Filippov, the basing of the Su-57 on this aircraft carrier is possible under the condition of the adaptation of the aircraft to the ship.

    “Theoretically, it is possible to take some of these planes on board, provided they are“ retained ”, he told RIA Novosti in an interview.

    Filippov said that he means, in particular, lightening the weight of fighters and changing some elements of the Su-57 design.

    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/2019710946-68SNv.html


    At the same time, he noted that so far this aircraft is not considered as a deck aircraft of the Russian Navy.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:35 am

    Isos wrote:I was watching this documentry in english from 2017 about sukhoi and noticed something very interesting.

    Thanks for sharing
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    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:39 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Isos wrote:https://tass.com/defense/1067657

    Russia offers to India to resume its participation on joint su-57 project.


    I have a suggestion: India can buy them are the full market price and each hull will be emblazoned with words: "GET BENT!!!"



    They're being offered a large package including aircraft, subs, tanks and so on...

    Apparently they're seriously looking into getting the YAK-130 (I've posted the news in the Arms export section)

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    Post  x_54_u43 on Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:35 am

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    Post  marcellogo on Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:09 am

    x_54_u43 wrote: Su-57 Stealth Fighter: News #5 - Page 33 25259410

    WOW! Great shot!

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    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:17 am

    What sort of container is that? 101KS-N?....it's hard to tell
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    Post  x_54_u43 on Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:33 am

    Cyberspec wrote:What sort of container is that? 101KS-N?....it's hard to tell

    From what has already been posted on other forums, it's just a camera pod for filming weapon separation. If you look closely, you can see another transparent material bubble around the middle of the pod. Though I also at first thought it was a side looking recce pod.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:33 am

    OK thanks
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    Post  kumbor on Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:08 pm

    Isos wrote:I was watching this documentry in english from 2017 about sukhoi and noticed something very interesting.




    They are analyzing what seems to be a rafale.

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    And then they show an image of what seems to be the airflow around the su-57 at cruising regime.

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    The photo from airtunnel shows completely different airplane, it looks more like Rafale. I doubt it has any similarities with SU-57!
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    Post  Cyberspec on Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:03 am

    kumbor wrote:The photo from airtunnel shows completely different airplane, it looks more like Rafale. I doubt it has any similarities with SU-57!

    The bottom photo shows the Su-57
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    Post  kumbor on Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:54 am

    Cyberspec wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Isos wrote:https://tass.com/defense/1067657

    Russia offers to India to resume its participation on joint su-57 project.


    I have a suggestion: India can buy them are the full market price and each hull will be emblazoned with words: "GET BENT!!!"



    They're being offered a large package including aircraft, subs, tanks and so on...

    Apparently they're seriously looking into getting the YAK-130 (I've posted the news in the Arms export section)


    Mean... BENT OVER?
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:56 am

    No... basically means get stuffed... or fuck off... usually when you say it in person you raise a middle finger when you say it...
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    Post  kvs on Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:49 pm

    I recall all the yapping on other fora about the visibility of the engine fans from the front in the PAK-FA. The above
    photo is rather interesting. It shows that inlet is angled upward so the lower lip obscures any visibility of the duct
    interior from the ground in front of the jet. The leading flaps that replaced the canards also act to block the view
    inside the duct. Clearly some design effort was put into this.
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:48 pm

    kvs wrote:I recall all the yapping on other fora about the visibility of the engine fans from the front in the PAK-FA.  The above
    photo is rather interesting.  It shows that inlet is angled upward so the lower lip obscures any visibility of the duct
    interior from the ground in front of the jet.  The leading flaps that replaced the canards also act to block the view
    inside the duct.  Clearly some design effort was put into this.  

    There was an early photo doing the rounds showing the fan face being clearly visible but it was revealed to be a FAKE. Some Murican fukstik shopped the fans of a AL-31 museum display piece onto the T-10, as though this idiocy would somehow warp reality and render the PAK FA a dud due to "faulty stealth".  Hilariously the shop was obvious as the dents/defects on the museum display could be clearly identified.  Laughing   ..and these idiots think they rule the world... simply laughable, what a pack of apes.
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    Post  Hole on Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:27 pm

    Don´t insult apes, please!
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:28 am

    Even their non stealthy Su-27s have intake grids to protect from FOD... you would think on their super stealth plane they could put several of those at various positions down the intake tube to redirect or block radar waves. The walls of the air intake will have RAM, so the simple act of a reflecting surface inside that fills half the intake from the left side and then a little further down another surface that can come from the right side meaning no direct radar wave view of the engine blades would suffice... the surfaces could be a fine mesh that reflects radar waves at 95 degrees... so a radar beam from outside the aircraft comes in at 90 degrees and hits the surface but is redirected 95 degrees, so it bounces side to side down the tube eventually reaching the front of the engine which might reflect at any angle but this signal has probably bounced off the intake walls 100 times so the RAM coating would have diminished the signal to nothing anyway,

    There are plenty of other radar blocker designs they could use that have less effect on airflow too.

    The solid intake FOD protectors on the MiG-29 are a case in point to completely hide the RCS of the engines too...
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    Post  ATLASCUB on Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:21 pm

    If relations between Turkey and the U.S continue to sour the Su-57 might soon be one of the most talked about and demanded planes on the planet.

    I wouldn't be surprised to see the Indians rush in as a result. Just like they rushed in with the S-400. Russia doesn't pump them out like in Soviet times.
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    Post  william.boutros on Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:53 pm

    kvs wrote:I recall all the yapping on other fora about the visibility of the engine fans from the front in the PAK-FA.  The above
    photo is rather interesting.  It shows that inlet is angled upward so the lower lip obscures any visibility of the duct
    interior from the ground in front of the jet.  The leading flaps that replaced the canards also act to block the view
    inside the duct.  Clearly some design effort was put into this.  

    This topic has been discussed. The top view is a little misleading. The bottom view of the plane demonstrates that the fans could be partially seen. This was backed up by various evidence on this forum and elsewhere.
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    Post  Gazputin on Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:49 am

    I have a elevation plan of Su-57 showing clearly an S-shaped duct … starts low goes higher … hiding fan blades
    its a load of nonsense

    couple of other things ….

    there is no way on Earth you can get a "20% reduction" in costs for an order of 76 ….
    "back of the envelope calc" to me says …. 76 is one of 4x orders for 76 = 300 for RUAF …. minimum

    National Interest are a bunch of idiots …. haven't spent one minute near a manufacturing facility
    … or reality …. the Russians will build at least 300 …

    back onto my favourite comedy site …. National Interest
    my favourite is the monumental wank about the US Navy "stealth attack" drones ….
    that morphed into "stealth refuelling drones" …. and were quietly dropped …. lol lol lol
    call me a cynic … which I am ….
    but did anyone else notice that every flight of these "technological marvels" off the decks of US carriers was in perfect weather and insanely calm seas ? ….. lol lol lol … X-47
    now suddenly they have a tailed Boeing refuelling drone …. that can actually fly straight …. lol lol lol
    the MQ-25 ….. hilarious

    I mean who in their right mind would use a directionally unstable aircraft off a multi-billion $ carrier …. and then expect their $100mil per aircraft to fly behind something like that and refuel ? ….. its insane
    US Navy you can say what you like about them … but they are every bit as pragmatic as the Russians … they got it right

    anyway, back to the Su-57
    if I was a pilot in an F-35 …. and an Su-57 was even 500 miles away …. I'd get out of there
    for a start they are 500 mph faster and 10,000 ft higher …..
    = you are going to die ….. end of story


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    Post  GarryB on Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:53 am

    This topic has been discussed. The top view is a little misleading. The bottom view of the plane demonstrates that the fans could be partially seen. This was backed up by various evidence on this forum and elsewhere.

    The Su-27 family have a grid that folds up in the air intake during normal flight but can cover the main air intake during landing and takeoff to stop foreign object damage while operations from rough airstrips... stuff like stones and dirt are deflected away from the intake by these grids.

    When the aircraft gets airborne and FOD is no longer a threat the grids fold back into place leaving an open air intake.

    Now such a thing will be needed for a stealth fighter too, just to protect from FOD, but such a grid panel could also be used in flight with only minor reductions in thrust levels to disperse any radar waves directed at the aircraft so they don't go straight in and come straight out.

    Angled mesh could deflect the incoming radio waves 30 degrees to then zig zag down the air intake to the engine front fans and because of the angle of incidence those emissions will then reflect back zig zagging down the intake and out the grid grill structure.

    Not only does it mean radio waves wont come in and go directly out giving a strong signal the angle changes means it will repeatedly reflect of the internal surface of the air intakes which will be coated in RAM... so a 5% signal reduction for each reflection... with 5 bounces going in, hitting the fan front which is also coated in RAM and likely made of ceramic material that doesn't reflect radar well anyway and then 5 more bounces to get out... that is 11 times it has 5% of the signal absorbed out of it and the emitted energy is redirected 30 degrees off boresight so the emitting radar will never get those returns...

    Sounds like a simple easy to achieve system that would be more than effective enough for both RCS reduction and FOD protection.

    They have also mentioned radar blockers previously that are designed to spin the incoming air for the engines that actually increase thrust slightly by creating a vortex effect that increases blade spin in flight...

    National Interest are a bunch of idiots …. haven't spent one minute near a manufacturing facility
    … or reality …. the Russians will build at least 300 …

    Have to agree on both counts... they are getting an amazing price... I am sure there are a few F-35 customers that are pissed off even more at the "deal" they are getting.

    my favourite is the monumental wank about the US Navy "stealth attack" drones ….

    Before that it was the A-12, which they didn't really want to fund on their own so they got convinced the F-35 was the solution.

    The F-14 was the fighter and the F-18 was supposed to be the strike aircraft... but then they withdrew the F-14 and the F-18 got the role of fighter and the F-35 suddenly is supposed to be the strike aircraft... of course neither has the range of performance of the F-14 so the defence performance of the US carrier groups has dropped dramatically... which in the 1990s they explained was because there wasn't any major threat to US carriers any more... the backfires were no longer a problem.

    Of course now with Backfires in the form of the Tu-22M3M with Kh-32, Kinzhal, and soon Zircon... they must be crapping themselves...

    anyway, back to the Su-57
    if I was a pilot in an F-35 …. and an Su-57 was even 500 miles away …. I'd get out of there
    for a start they are 500 mph faster and 10,000 ft higher …..
    = you are going to die ….. end of story

    Just wait until they start revealing their new AAMs... they have talked about one medium range upgrade of the R-77, but the 9M100 and the new long range missiles will be impressive too... and once they have scramjet powered missiles flying at 3km/s then the idea you could dodge a missile like in Hollywood movies will become and obvious joke to everyone...
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    Post  dino00 on Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:06 pm

    F-22 and F-35 vs PAK FA (Su-57)

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