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    Post  Isos on Mon May 27, 2019 9:28 pm

    I said AESA technology of byelka is 20 years ahead. It's their first aesa so in the performances will improve later. Irbis is from the 00s while Byelka from today.
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    Post  kumbor on Mon May 27, 2019 10:14 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    The Su-57 is as advanced (apart from stealth) as the Su-35.

    The main benefit of it is it will force spending onto the adversaries, to upgrade the radars/ SAM systems.


    The US already started due to that the development of dual band radars : D

    No it's not. Su-35 is way behind su-57. Composite materials are much more advanced than on su-35 and will be used in civil project to make the planes lighter and stronger.

    Aesa radar is 20 years ahead of irbis E in terms of technology used. They will be used to improve all the radars.

    OLS is much better, it is a Quantum Well Infrared Photodetector that is much more effective than ols-30/35. It can be used on ground vehicles to watch passively the skies at the borders.

    Most of its technologies are still in development like its engines that will help create civilian engines for supercruising jets.

    US won't dare to shoot at a russian su-57. No weapon is invicible and in 20 years radars won't have issues tracking stealth. Russians know that just like french or US. What matters is have the technologies and injecting them into civilian project to stay on the top or you end up buying foreign stuff and be dependent on foreigbers like russia during the 00s or even 5 years back when they had no engines for their ships.

    The whole "AESA is 20 years ahead blah blah blah" is rather funny.  AESA has its benefits but ultimately it comes down to absolute power.  Irbis-E has 400km detection range because of its modern tech and absolute power behind it (20kw feeding it).  N036 has same detection range but significantly more in terms of cost due to each T/R Module as GaAS aren't cheap.  If GaN modules were used which I doubt, it would have a lot of potential but once again, requires the power to feed it.

    There is little info regarding the absolute capabilities of its imaging systems so I wouldn't jump around just yet since most of Russian MoD mentioned how Su-35 is very close to performance of the Su-57.  Not exactly same but close.  Of course you are right that the material for the structure (composites) are far more advanced than that on Su-35 and is set for future of other aircrafts being produced now for civil and military use.

    But SU-57 is 30 years newer. SU-35 is a spectacular airplane, but wise nations must have new type of an aircraft ready at the moment when its predecessor reaches its highest! Russians are doing just what they should do, and just on time with SU-57.
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    Post  kumbor on Mon May 27, 2019 10:16 pm

    Isos wrote:I said AESA technology of byelka is 20 years ahead. It's their first aesa so in the performances will improve later. Irbis is from the 00s while Byelka from today.

    Obviously you already flew it, ISOS, so you know! SU -57 is new generation plane!
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    Post  Isos on Mon May 27, 2019 10:33 pm

    kumbor wrote:
    Isos wrote:I said AESA technology of byelka is 20 years ahead. It's their first aesa so in the performances will improve later. Irbis is from the 00s while Byelka from today.

    Obviously you already flew it, ISOS, so you know! SU -57 is new generation plane!

    Su-35 was developed in 00s and started flying in 2007. Su-57 will start service in 2020 and is still in development, all the produced ones are prototypes for testing. 15 years btw the two and some technologies even 20 years like the engines which are the first new engines since the fall of soviet union.

    I'm not arguing about capacities of su-57 over su-35 but the technologies being newer and investment being worth losing some money because the techno can be reused in civilian project (and not only on planes) that can compete with the west.

    If they didn't invest in pak fa they would be stuck with su-30 upgrades with french avionics. Su-57 technologies will go directly into su-30/35. They already made a contract for "russianalizing" the su-30SM thanks to investment made for su-35 and su-57.

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    Post  ult on Wed May 29, 2019 9:59 am

    First serial plane.

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    Post  PhSt on Wed May 29, 2019 2:22 pm

    Russian plant ready for mass production of Su-57 fighter jets


    KOMSOMOLSK-ON-AMUR, May 29. /TASS/. The Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aircraft Plant is ready to start mass manufacturing of the Su-57 fighter jet of the 5th generation, Russian Deputy Defense Minister Alexey Krivoruchko said on Wednesday during his visit to the plant.

    "We will get the first fighter jet [of this model] by the end of this year. We are already talking about mass production. We have assessed the jet's readiness today, as well as the plant's readiness to mass manufacture of Su-57. We were fully satisfied with what we saw and hope that all plans will be fulfilled," Krivoruchko said.

    Krivoruchko held a meeting during his visit to the plant devoted to preparations for mass manufacturing of Su-57 fighter jets.


    http://tass.com/defense/1060558
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    Post  Isos on Wed May 29, 2019 3:24 pm

    https://sputniknews.com/military/201905291075437972-russia-su57-air-show/

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) - Russia's advanced Su-57 fifth-generation fighters will be shown to foreign delegations for the first time at the MAKS-2019 air show, Russian state arms exporter Rosoboronexport told reporters.
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    Post  dino00 on Thu May 30, 2019 2:20 pm

    Russia’s Su-57 fifth-generation fighter jets to get advanced anti-ship missile

    KAMENSK-URALSKY /Sverdlovsk Region/, May 30. /TASS/. Russia is developing an advanced anti-ship missile that will also be used in the ammunition load of Su-57 fifth-generation fighter jets, Russian Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko said on Thursday.

    The defense official made this statement as he visited the Urals-based Detal Design Bureau engaged in the project.

    "Today the enterprise is working on developing an active homing warhead for the promising anti-ship missile that is planned to be carried by the Su-57 fighter as well," Krivoruchko said.


    A working meeting was held on the premises of the Detal Design Bureau to discuss the issue of signing a contract with Tactical Missiles Corporation on acquiring the entire range of air-launched weapons for the Su-57 fighter jets, the deputy defense minister said.

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    Post  George1 on Thu May 30, 2019 2:21 pm

    ult wrote:First serial plane.


    First two Su-57 gighters will have engines of the first stage ("product 117").
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    Post  flamming_python on Thu May 30, 2019 2:44 pm

    George1 wrote:
    ult wrote:First serial plane.


    First two Su-57 gighters will have engines of the first stage ("product 117").

    What about the 76 they ordered?

    The new-gen engines or what?
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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu May 30, 2019 4:03 pm

    Older engines. New engines aren't ready till 2021/22 thus a new order or a refinement of current order would have to be done.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri May 31, 2019 1:13 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Older engines. New engines aren't ready till 2021/22 thus a new order or a refinement of current order would have to be done.

    those 76 fighters are gonna be delivered till 2027 so I guess some can go with new engine.
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    Post  Hole on Fri May 31, 2019 5:02 pm

    By 2027 all of them will be equipped with new engines.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri May 31, 2019 8:41 pm

    ult wrote:First serial plane.



    It could be just video compression but those rivets look super flat to me

    I remember people raising royal stink over rivets sticking out on initial prototypes


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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri May 31, 2019 8:44 pm

    No think of what you see right there has the "bone" They still need to give the plane it's skin, what you are seeing Papa is perfectly normal.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:31 am

    flamming_python wrote:

    What about the 76 they ordered?

    The new-gen engines or what?

    By 2023 at the latest according to past news reports
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    Post  Vann7 on Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:28 am

    Singular_Transform wrote:
    The Su-57 is as advanced (apart from stealth) as the Su-35.

    The main benefit of it is it will force spending onto the adversaries, to upgrade the radars/ SAM systems.


    The US already started due to that the development of dual band radars : D


    Not really... is worlds of difference apart! pirat

    The Su-57 will be night and day difference in the capabilities of SU-35.

    1)Way superior engine than Su-35.. this will allow the plane carry not only
    more bigger weapons but also better combat performance ,speed and or range.
    2)More advanved electronic warfare
    3)Much More advanced radars.. that will be much more difficult to jam and will have higher precision
    4)Much more advanced sensors to see other stealth planes..
    5)It will carry much more advanced next generation missiles.. including hypersonic weapons.  Shocked  something the Su-35 don't have. it will carry also bigger bombs..
    so much more destruction . it can also carry more weapons if used externally missiles..
    6) According to Russia Su-57 will have the ability to operate with Artificial intelligence on its own.. without a pilot , like a drone..  Su-35 will not have such features..
    7)Last but no least the plane will be stealth , and will have more features to detect
    and see stealth planes..
    Cool and bonus apparently some of the electronics in Su-57 will be based on Photonics..  
      This is something completely new ,that no other modern plane in the world have.
      According to one Professor i had in electronic class.. he told me electronics will be
      Obsolete  in the future.. wires and all that electric current science will not apply to
       technology of the future... you can't jam as easily a photonic base communications equipment as you could do with an electronic equipment ..  Communications is also another place Photonics will be revolutionary.. it will be fully safe at least for a decade or more until it became mainstream and people find a way to mess with it.. and no need to secure them ,if the communications is made of photons.

    This does not means that an SU-35 can't beat ever in combat an Su-57..  
    even a soviet mig-21 plane with a very skilled pilot ,could defeat an amateur
    in a modern stealth plane.. when it comes to planes.. SKILLS and tactics will be always better than techonology....it only means the SU-57 ,will be far more capable ,to penetrate enemy defenses and have more possibilities to be successful in any kind of mission ,pilots being both equally skilled ,way more possibilities and capabilities..versus flying an Su-35..

    all things said.. as good as the SU-57 could be or not..
    I believe for Russia airforce.. is much much much more important a long range
    tactical bombers.. than any air superiority plane..

    Some Supersonic or hypersonic modern stealth bombers ,armed with kinzhall missiles for example will be more useful to counter NATO navies in case of a major conflict..
    So a couple of dozens or more Mig-41's or Pak-DA will be much more useful for Russia
    than Su-57.


    those 76 fighters are gonna be delivered till 2027 so I guess some can go with new engine.

    They can be upgraded later the engines..with the new ones.. not a problem..
    they for sure will do everything in a way ,that will be easier to replace the engines
    when the new ones are ready.
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    Post  ult on Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:58 pm

    New instrument panel.

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    Video:

    https://topspb.tv/news/2019/06/11/aleksandr-beglov-posetil-proizvodstvo-kompanii-elkus-i-otvetil-na-voprosy-sotrudnikov/
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    Post  flamming_python on Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:25 am

    ult wrote:New instrument panel.

    Su-57 Stealth Fighter: News #5 - Page 31 TkjJT4H

    Video:

    https://topspb.tv/news/2019/06/11/aleksandr-beglov-posetil-proizvodstvo-kompanii-elkus-i-otvetil-na-voprosy-sotrudnikov/

    So what like, one of those curved TV's from Samsung with a few buttons around the edges?

    I see a Saitek joystick too
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:35 am

    ult wrote:New instrument panel.

    Video:

    https://topspb.tv/news/2019/06/11/aleksandr-beglov-posetil-proizvodstvo-kompanii-elkus-i-otvetil-na-voprosy-sotrudnikov/

    So a single curved screen instead of 2 or 3 ?

    Also on the video you can see glimpses of other screens for other aircraft


    Apparently, the central panel for the Su-34, Tu-22M3M and TU-160M will be on the same basis.

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    Post  dino00 on Sat Jun 15, 2019 12:49 pm

    The first Su-57 will not receive a new generation of ammunition - the source
    06/15/2019 10:30:00
    Moscow. June 15th. INTERFAX - The industry has not yet fully completed the task of creating ammunition for the fifth-generation fighter Su-57, an informed source told Interfax.
    “As regards the creation of new airborne armament, unguided rockets and ammunition for aircraft cannons, work is at an initial stage,” the agency’s source said.
    “The first serial fighter aircraft will not have fully updated weapons,” a source said.
    He noted that at the same time, the development of guided missiles for the Su-57 is underway.

    In early May, the Interfax source announced that a new contract for the serial delivery of fifth-generation fighter jets Su-57 for the Russian Federation Air Force is planned to be signed this year, and the first serial Su-57 will go to the troops by November.
    Su-57 (Advanced Aviation Complex of Frontal Aviation (PAK FA), T-50) is a fifth-generation Russian multi-role fighter developed by the Sukhoi Design Bureau. It is designed to destroy all types of air targets in long-range and close combat, defeat enemy ground and surface targets, overcoming the enemy’s air defense systems, monitoring the airspace at a large distance from the basing site, and destroying the control system for enemy aviation operations. The first flight of the PAK FA took place on January 29, 2010 in Komsomolsk-on-Amur.
    Su-57 fighters of the installation batch will be produced in serial form, but with the engines of the previous generation. The engine of the "second stage" (product 30 - created by the United Engine Corporation), which will provide the Su-57 supersonic cruising speed, began flight testing in December 2017. It is expected that its testing program will be completed in five years, and from 2023 serial deliveries of aircraft with new engines will begin.
    UAC President Yury Slyusar said earlier that the newest fighters showed themselves well during the operation of the Russian HQs in Syria. “Were in Syria, received the so-called baptism of fire, all the tasks were solved both on the aircraft and on the armament, which was used. The characteristics were confirmed,” Y. Slusar told Interfax.
    In September 2018, Boris Obnosov, director general of the Tactical Missile Armament (KTRV) corporation, told Interfax that the Su-57 would receive the ultra-long-range R-37M hypersonic missile.
    In addition, according to the source agency, the Su-57 has already tested weapons located in the internal compartments. The intraflight placement of weapons is one of the requirements for the fifth generation of fighter aircraft.

    https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=510302&lang=RU
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    Post  ult on Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:06 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:
    ult wrote:New instrument panel.

    Video:

    https://topspb.tv/news/2019/06/11/aleksandr-beglov-posetil-proizvodstvo-kompanii-elkus-i-otvetil-na-voprosy-sotrudnikov/

    So a single curved screen instead of 2 or 3 ?

    Also on the video you can see glimpses of other screens for other aircraft


    Apparently, the central panel for the Su-34, Tu-22M3M and TU-160M will be on the same basis.

    Yeah.

    That's funny. That is the exact same url I posted in VK. Laughing If you are wondering where I got it from - http://www.elcus.ru/index.php?ID=news

    Also I wasn't sure so I didn't mention it there. I suspect those are 25 inches 3200x1200 pixels. But don't quote me on that.
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    Post  hoom on Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:18 am

    Charly015 has some more stuff about the display & also HUD http://charly015.blogspot.com/2019/06/la-presentacion-de-datos-en-el-su-57.html
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    Post  dino00 on Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:12 pm

    Signed contract for 76 SU-57

    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/20196271757-mIMw0.html

    Shouldn't this topic change the name?
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    Post  ult on Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:28 pm

    Russian Defense Ministry to get 76 Su-57 fighter jets

    Fighter jets will be supplied by 2028

    KUBINKA, June 27. /TASS/. The Russian Ministry of Defense will receive 76 multirole fighter jets Su-57 within the framework of a contract with Sukhoi Company, Minister of Industry Denis Manturov told reporters on Thursday at the Army 2019 Forum.

    "76 aircraft," Manturov said.

    Fighter jets will be supplied by 2028, Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko told reporters.

    Su-57 is a Russian multirole fifth-generation fighter jet designed to destroy all air, ground, and water surface targets. It has stealth coating, keeps weapons inside, and develops supersonic cruising speed.

    https://tass.com/defense/1065905

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