The question is not in detection but will you spent your precious RVV-SD warload on an AAM, especially it's AMRAAM which basically same price and same size. Might be wasteful use of AAM.
Well for an Su-35 carrying 12 missiles against an F-22 with 6 that might work out OK... if the Su-35 or Su-57 can negate western missiles and it comes down to a dogfight then they will be grinning...
Yeah. so how about being real and stop relating ROFAR thing with Su-57 as we know that the radar wont be flying for maybe years or decades.
They have said they expect it to be on the Su-57 in 2024 as a working system...
Answer: because no MiGs for Russia. See how many MiG-35'd they ordered? 6 total. And to be used for acrobatics. Lol. Mikoyan jets are not needed beyond interceptor MiG-31.
They are going to be buying more than 6.... just like they are going to be buying more than 12 Su-57s.
Russia has years of experience in making AESA. Nebo SVU is AESA as example. Pantsir S2 radar is also AESA. As I said before, Istok made thousands of modules already. Tens of thousands. Us, N036 is in much wider use. It may have something to do with Su-57 going to actually be fielded unlike MiG-35?
Russia has almost 4 decades experience with PESA, but little experience with AESA radars in a fighter aircraft.
Right now their main experience is with PESA, but they are smart... the problem for them is that while they are getting rather more out of PESA than the west ever got, they are now moving on to AESA, but they also have other options in the mix like photonic radar. Photonic radar might benefit from experience with AESA to make it even better, or it might not make any difference at all... they might know but we really don't.
The simple fact is that they will likely have rather competitive radars when they enter service and if something even better is developed they will likely get that too eventually.
Like I said, no Zhuk a as there are no order for MiG-35's.
Get that through your thick skull.
What do you think MiG-35s will be equipped with in service?
They have bought 6 but do you think that is all they will buy?
and take away your ROFAR dream keep it for at least decade from now.
Even if it did take a decade... to render the F-22, F-35, and the B-2 totally vulnerable would be totally worth it...
As a complete outsider my common sense tells me this should be way further in the future than 2021-22
That that is because you haven't known anything about it for however long they have been working on it...
I mean all the new weapons they revealed recently are near deployment stage before they were revealed but development started in 2002 when the US withdrew from the ABM treaty...
Russia has been trying to catch up in electronics... why wouldn't they fund generational systems that leapfrog existing technologies in an attempt to not just catch up but even take the lead... sounds exactly like something Putin would do... while everyone either calls him weak, or the all powerful puppet master that decides every election everywhere...
The use is non sense as it is not suited for sukhois and mig-29/35 are done with russian ir force.
You might want to tell MiG that because they are getting ready to mass produce the plane for the Russian Air Force and foreign air forces...
There wont be MiG-35 in any numbers at all. This 6 orders was just to keep Mikoyan afloat till they decide what to do with it or to help fund further development of the next projects
The Russian Air Force is not a charity... only buying 6 planes would make them enormously expensive to own and to operate... it would just not make any sense at all.
Mikoyan itself is more or less a done company.
Of course it is... Mikoyan has never been a company... MiG on the other hand is part of UAC and is going nowhere... it has drones to make, and MiG-35s and of course MIG-31s to keep in service till the MiG-41 is ready... and of course it will be joint developing a light 5th gen fighter with the UAE...
The whole purpose of the Zhuk-A series radars was to gain attraction by the government and foreign entities for their MiG fighter jets. Ended up being a bust not because of the radar but overall because what you get in the end is a jet that is still expensive, with performance still lacking compared to its competitor Sukhoi in both their Su-35 and Su-30SM. Yes, its latest iteration tested AESA radar Zhuk-AM had a range of 260km. Cool. Issue though is that it is still behind the competition from Sukhoi and Tikhomirov with their BARS line of radars. Even more so with the N036 radar being tested and used currently on Su-57 prototypes and pre-production models.
You seem to be under the impression that an AESA is easy to make and everyone has them.
Couple of facts for you... 1)there are no operational Russian AESA radars in fighters yet.
2)AESA radars are pretty much the transmit and receive parts of a normal radar... but it is an array of thousands of them, so they are fucking expensive.
3) mass production reduces the price over time and makes them easier and cheaper to make, but you have to make millions and millions of modules before you get to that place... Russia is developing all the necessary technology but simply is not there yet... it is like UAVs... you either spend lots of money and buy the technology or you spend a whole lot more money plus huge amounted of time to get actual experience and develop them yourself... and no one is selling Russia AESA technology.
4)it is not the end of the world because Russian PESA radars are actually rather capable systems and the technology they are working with will either make excellent conventional AESAs, or mind blowingly amazing next gen radar... and possibly both.
Most to all MiG-29's in Russia are to be replaced eventually.
Likely eventually replaced with MiG-35s.
Still you're wasting missiles.
That is like saying TOR and Pantsir is stupid because having little short range missiles to defend SAM bases wastes missiles... you don't fire them at nothing... you fire them at actual threats that are about to destroy you... I would say missile well spent.
There is of course a limit on how small and the smaller it gets.. the more expensive it can be. How can be so ? Guidance package. Plus there will be limit on how small it can be made by the required performance.
They are in an aircraft and don't need excessive range... a MANPAD with thrust vectoring rocket motor, and IIR sensor, a datalink and a small proximity fuse warhead... they could be 12 kgs each and carried in bundles of 10 or more... half the length of a normal MANPAD...
But for active hard-kill munitions.. kinda hard.
You mentioned jamming, and towed decoys, but also DIRCMS, and why not self defence missiles... and in fact self defence missiles with jammers in them for use against home on jam mode missiles?
Lets try this example: F-35 vs. Su-35. F-35 fires one AIM-120 at the Su-35. The Su-35 fires one R-77-1 against the F-35 and another against the incoming AIM-120. I wouldn´t call this a waste of a missile.
Or an Su-35 is under attack from a ground based Patriot system... the Su-35 launches an AS-11 of the new model and Patriot fires back... the Su-35 could fire an R-77 to try to shoot down the Patriot missile or just hope their AS-11 hits first... I would want to defend myself... but the point is that the self defence missiles are small short range missiles so you might have three of these missiles on a pylon you would normally carry an R-77 on.
It will have thrust vectoring rocket flight control so it wont need a lot of control fins or strakes so you could likely bundle a few together...
How about more enlightnening example of use of Cross eye jammer against the AMRAAM so the Su-35 can take 2 F-35 with 2 R-77's
Indeed that might work too... but if the AMRAAM goes into home on jam mode and starts turning towards the Su-35 instead of off into the sunset wouldn't it be nice to have a missile you could use to stop that threat?
It will be doing the same job in the Russian Navy on board Russian ships... ie shooting down incoming missile threats... so it is not like you are just using it for that...
Those pods on wingtips have meanings guys. They reduce number of R-73 that can be carried but those pods can handle almost unlimited number of ARH missiles. and they can be brought back in. Available today.
But what if you are flying escort for another aircraft and your jammers make the missile stop tracking you but start tracking the aircraft you are escorting?
Shoot it down then?
These are standard missiles that have the capability to hit other missiles... the R-77 is a BVR missile and the R-7? is the new short range dogfight missile...
No doubt they play a big role, but in case they fail you want a B plan. My question: at what point of the attack would you decide to switch from jamming to hard kill?
Su-35 has automatic self defence ESM suite... it will likely decide.
If it was fitted to the Il-22 and it was carrying R-77s or Morfeis then they might have detected the incoming S-200 and shot that down too...
When you can be sure that you cannot kinematically evade the missile. Or destroy the opponent before they can shoot.
Bombers, troop transports, Elint platforms, AWACS, MPAs, and a host of other types would never be able to evade an incoming missile... WVR or BVR... such defensive missiles might be their only hope... whether they shoot down the incoming missile or decoy it away with a jamming signal...
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