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    Re: Peresvet laser complex

    Post  George1 on Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:58 pm

    Video of the new mobile laser system that was presented during V.V. Putin's annual state-of-the-nation address today. Possibly anti-missiles / aircraft laser system(?) ©️RIA Novosti

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    Re: Peresvet laser complex

    Post  The-thing-next-door on Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:43 pm

    George1 wrote:Video of the new mobile laser system that was presented during V.V. Putin's annual state-of-the-nation address today. Possibly anti-missiles / aircraft laser system(?) ©️RIA Novosti


    Exelent Finaly they have unvield one of thier post Soviet laser weapons [color=#ff0000]soon the nato fanbase will be destroyed by a massive barrage of propaganda.

    Anyway this is exelent news as now the pro western retards on the internet will finaly shut up.
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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:54 pm

    Anyway is doesn anyone have any Idea as to what exactly this thing is and what it might be used for?
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    Post  Militarov on Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:24 am

    The-thing-next-door wrote:
    Anyway is doesn anyone have any Idea as to what exactly this thing is and what it might be used for?

    There was article about this system they showcased like hm... 3 years ago or so, someone will probably remember what i am talking about. Its supposed in future to...well ill make a fence now and say MAYBE, complement Buk batteries to deal with stuff like drones, light types of PGMs etc.

    Its comparable to lets say AN/SEQ-3 LaWS.
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    Re: Peresvet laser complex

    Post  George1 on Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:50 am

    Militarov wrote:

    Its comparable to lets say AN/SEQ-3 LaWS.

    exactly, it is intended for against low-end asymmetric threats (drones for example)[/quote]
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    Post  Nibiru on Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:56 pm

    Russia’s Aerospace Force gets Peresvet laser complexes



    MOSCOW, July 19. /TASS/. Russian Aerospace Force has accepted for service the laser complexes Peresvet and the military are now taking drills that involve the novel combat technologies, the Russian Defense Ministry said on Thursday.

    "The Peresvet laser complexes have been placed at sites of permanent deployment," the report said. "Active efforts to make them fully operational are underway."
    "To ensure their proper functioning, the necessary infrastructures and specialized facilities for housing the complexes and duty crews have been built," the ministry said.

    The crews assigned to the Peresvets have taken upgrader courses at the Alexander Mozhaisky Military-Space Academy in St Petersburg.

    "The cadres receive training in theory in specially equipped classrooms and get practical drills at combat equipment," the report said.

    The crews are also getting trained in teamwork as part of commissioning of the Peresvets for combat duty, said Gen Anatoly Nestechuk, the chief of staff of the Aerospace Force’s 15th Army.

    Development and commissioning of new strategic systems aims to build up Russia’s defense capability and to prevent any aggression against it or its allies, the Defense Ministry said.

    The Peresvets are the first Russian combat complexes based on new physical principles. President Vladimir Putin mentioned the Russian combat laser for the first time in his address to both houses of parliament on March 1.

    I must say I am kind of puzzled that they are able to deploy advanced systems like this with little delay while it takes them an awfully a lot of time to develop Poliment Redut which is dragging the timeframe for their other navy programs, is Poliment Redut a more Sophisticated system that needs more time to work with?
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    Re: Peresvet laser complex

    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:35 pm

    Because neither system are comparable?

    Because there were issues with the missile initially that would detonate after launch by 5 seconds while all other missiles worked fine so there was debate as to weather it was the fire control radar issue or the missile itself.

    Russia isn't the only one that has lots of experience yet faces lots of issues with development.

    At least their tracks dont fly off like what happened with China's type 96 tank. Even though China has decades years of experience manufacturing tanks.

    You people are unbelievable.
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    Re: Peresvet laser complex

    Post  kvs on Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:46 pm

    Yeah, people are clueless about science and technology projects. There is a reason why Edison said 90% perspiration and 10%
    inspiration. Only moronic movies and TV do you have linear, predictable project development. That is not how reality works.
    In the realm of climate and air quality models, over 90% of the development time is spent on bugs and technical issues. In the
    realm of laboratory experiments it is basically the same thing, over 90% of the time goes to deal with problems. There is no turn
    the crank productivity.
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    Peresvet laser complex

    Post  Hole on Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:44 am

    Plus the russian armed forces want reliability and won´t loosen their standards/benchmarks. If a missile system achieves only 95% hit propability but the Navy wants 99%... keep testing!
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    Re: Peresvet laser complex

    Post  George1 on Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:10 pm

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    Re: Peresvet laser complex

    Post  kvs on Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:09 am

    Looks like a sensor and pilot blinder type. Not a sci-fi device for blowing aircraft out of the sky.
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    Re: Peresvet laser complex

    Post  Hole on Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:13 pm




    If this thing could do it 20 years ago, why should the Peresvet not be able to?
    I guess it can "irritate" optics and pilots 100km away, destroy optices and "blind" pilots 50 km away and fry small drones at 10km.
    Following russian tradition they will already be working on the Peresvet-M which will be two or three times as strong and by 2030 - 2035 the follow-on system will be Ready which will most likely be able to destroy planes, drones and missiles alike.
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    Re: Peresvet laser complex

    Post  LMFS on Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:35 pm

    kvs wrote:Looks like a sensor and pilot blinder type.   Not a sci-fi device for blowing aircraft out of the sky.

    Why do you think that? By the size of the truck it seems reasonable to think of it as a multi-MW LASER unit. Great advance to deal with hypersonic warheads even before they are fielded by enemies.
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    Re: Peresvet laser complex

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:28 pm

    kvs wrote:Looks like a sensor and pilot blinder type. Not a sci-fi device for blowing aircraft out of the sky.

    You are looking at wrong thing here. What you should pay attention to is truck:

    1) It's huge but most of it is dedicated to power source. This means that output is supposed to destroy not just jam.

    2) it has no off-road features. This means that it's supposed to move on paved surfaces. No attempts to hide in the wilderness means it has significant range and that it's designed to be used from preselected locations.
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    Post  Militarov on Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:01 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    kvs wrote:Looks like a sensor and pilot blinder type.   Not a sci-fi device for blowing aircraft out of the sky.

    You are looking at wrong thing here. What you should pay attention to is truck:

    1) It's huge but most of it is dedicated to power source. This means that output is supposed to destroy not just jam.

    2) it has no off-road features. This means that it's supposed to move on paved surfaces. No attempts to hide in the wilderness means it has significant range and that it's designed to be used from preselected locations.

    Russians said its supposed to deal with UAV-s and PGMs. So it could be used basically like Iron Dome for point defence.
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    Post  Militarov on Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:05 pm

    "Yuri Borisov, Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, cited the example of the capability of the "Peresvet" combat laser system, which can be used against missile guidance systems. "There are on-board defense complexes that almost all aircraft are equipped with, which aim is to counteract anti-aircraft missile systems, they are usually equipped with homing heads, the basis of which can be optical heads." Laser technologies are used for illumination - the homing head is blind, the missile does not find its goal, "he said. At the same time, Borisov stressed that the US also has prototypes of laser weapons, "capable of destroying lightly armored vehicles and damaging manpower."
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    Re: Peresvet laser complex

    Post  Big_Gazza on Sun Jul 22, 2018 2:50 am

    LMFS wrote:Great advance to deal with hypersonic warheads even before they are fielded by enemies.

    Lasers can be useful against slow targets (since they have sufficient time to heat up the target to the point of damaging systems or causing structural failure) but against hypersonics they are unlikely to be effective. Engagement duration is too brief due to missile speed, and hypersonic weapons will be heat resistant to deal with frictional heating.
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    Post  kvs on Sun Jul 22, 2018 3:14 am

    Militarov wrote:"Yuri Borisov, Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, cited the example of the capability of the "Peresvet" combat laser system, which can be used against missile guidance systems. "There are on-board defense complexes that almost all aircraft are equipped with, which aim is to counteract anti-aircraft missile systems, they are usually equipped with homing heads, the basis of which can be optical heads." Laser technologies are used for illumination - the homing head is blind, the missile does not find its goal, "he said. At the same time, Borisov stressed that the US also has prototypes of laser weapons, "capable of destroying lightly armored vehicles and damaging manpower."

    Sounds like the proper assessment of this system.

    Lasers are power hogs and they lose a lot of energy penetrating the air mass. In space, it is a different story. The size of the trucks in this complex does not necessarily indicate "laser blaster" capability.
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    Post  Militarov on Sun Jul 22, 2018 3:18 am

    kvs wrote:
    Militarov wrote:"Yuri Borisov, Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, cited the example of the capability of the "Peresvet" combat laser system, which can be used against missile guidance systems. "There are on-board defense complexes that almost all aircraft are equipped with, which aim is to counteract anti-aircraft missile systems, they are usually equipped with homing heads, the basis of which can be optical heads." Laser technologies are used for illumination - the homing head is blind, the missile does not find its goal, "he said. At the same time, Borisov stressed that the US also has prototypes of laser weapons, "capable of destroying lightly armored vehicles and damaging manpower."

    Sounds like the proper assessment of this system.

    Lasers are power hogs and they lose a lot of energy penetrating the air mass.   In space, it is a different story.  The size of the trucks in this complex does not necessarily indicate "laser blaster" capability.

    Wait, what? No NATO fanboy line... you okay bro? Hope you not sick or something... Suspect
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    Re: Peresvet laser complex

    Post  LMFS on Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:34 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    LMFS wrote:Great advance to deal with hypersonic warheads even before they are fielded by enemies.

    Lasers can be useful against slow targets (since they have sufficient time to heat up the target to the point of damaging systems or causing structural failure) but against hypersonics they are unlikely to be effective.  Engagement duration is too brief due to missile speed, and hypersonic weapons will be heat resistant to deal with frictional heating.

    Do not have the source at hand right now but I read some time ago about Russian achievements to release VERY short and powerful energy blasts. It is not about slowly cooking the target but putting all the energy at once on it, to cause a very focused, strong and fast temperature increase that damages it with the maximum effectiveness.

    Of course hypersonic warheads will be intrinsically highly resistant to heat but also extremely hot already when flying in dense layers of the atmosphere. It could be technically challenging to deal with a great amount of extra heat in such circumstances. And of course seekers will be specially vulnerable since they have to be transparent to radiation in certain bands.

    Lasers can be useful against low speed targets but other means exists against them that are proven. Against high speed, manoeuvring ones lasers are one of the few alternatives that are fast enough to engage them despite their movements, and simply in other category to kinetic energy weapons in regards of re-engaging the target if previous destruction attempts were not successful. So I guess this is one of the most urgent motivations for developing lasers and DEW in general.
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    Re: Peresvet laser complex

    Post  AlfaT8 on Mon Jul 23, 2018 7:17 pm

    Meh, to me it all sounds nonsensical.

    Lasers are have always been a question of heat.

    So any missile simply needs to be sufficiently heat resistant, and a space faring country like Russia should have little problem developing such heat resistant material.

    Even for missiles that lack such resistance, there are tactics to overcome laser defenses, for example: making sure the missiles lost emit a large plum of smoke after detonation capable of outright crippling the laser defenses capabilities, not only with it's laser concentration, but also with it's detection equipment, for the upcoming volley.

    Russia already has proven materials (smoke screens) capable of crippling lasers, IR scanners and also interfering with radar (this last one i can't confirm, because i can't find the old article)

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    Post  Mindstorm on Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:16 pm


    Militarov wrote:Yuri Borisov, Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, cited the example of the capability of the "Peresvet" combat laser system, which can be used against missile guidance systems. "There are on-board defense complexes that almost all aircraft are equipped with, which aim is to counteract anti-aircraft missile systems, they are usually equipped with homing heads, the basis of which can be optical heads." Laser technologies are used for illumination - the homing head is blind, the missile does not find its goal, "he said. At the same time, Borisov stressed that the US also has prototypes of laser weapons, "capable of destroying lightly armored vehicles and damaging manpower


    Where is this assertion ?

    Юрий Борисов is perfectly aware (and we talk here of personal technical awareness) of the parameters , the capabilities and the operational tasks assigned to system "Пересвет" and couldn't ever uttered a similar non-sense -unless it was merely attempting to explain, in a shallow way,to not-educated interlocutors what are the overall employments of lasers systems today around the worlds, without refering specifically to the system in question ,that can do much much more than merely ruin enemy missile's homing devices and at ranges that foreign developers would find almost incredible.

    It is definitely one of the two systems ,among those presented in March's presentation, with the greater impact's potential on the balance with the enemy forces and theirs same military organization, that will force in the next decade a radical redesign of an enormous amount of enemy weapons; the system has nothing to do, in its parametric features, with "similar" DEW system now in development or in test anywhere on the planet.

    The problem at today is in the very limited off-road capabilities and speed of the systems that a further miniaturization of one of the key components will hopefully resolve.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:44 pm


    This laser definitely had quite the range but it will not be intercepting any fast targets (especially hypersonic ones, that is compelte fantasy)

    It will most likely be used to take out UAVs and cruise missiles in first attack wave so that they can save AA missiles for targets like manned aircraft and other serious stuff
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    Post  Militarov on Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:37 am

    Mindstorm wrote:
    Militarov wrote:Yuri Borisov, Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, cited the example of the capability of the "Peresvet" combat laser system, which can be used against missile guidance systems. "There are on-board defense complexes that almost all aircraft are equipped with, which aim is to counteract anti-aircraft missile systems, they are usually equipped with homing heads, the basis of which can be optical heads." Laser technologies are used for illumination - the homing head is blind, the missile does not find its goal, "he said. At the same time, Borisov stressed that the US also has prototypes of laser weapons, "capable of destroying lightly armored vehicles and damaging manpower


    Where is this assertion ?

    Юрий Борисов is perfectly aware (and we talk here of personal technical awareness) of the parameters , the capabilities and the operational tasks assigned to system "Пересвет" and couldn't ever uttered a similar non-sense -unless it was merely attempting to explain, in a shallow way,to not-educated interlocutors what are the overall employments of lasers systems today around the worlds, without refering specifically to the system in question ,that can do much much more than merely ruin enemy missile's homing devices and at ranges that foreign developers would find almost incredible.

    It is definitely one of the two systems ,among those presented in March's presentation, with the greater impact's potential on the balance with the enemy forces and theirs same military organization, that will force in the next decade a radical redesign of an enormous amount of enemy weapons; the system has nothing to do, in its parametric features, with "similar" DEW system now in development or in test anywhere on the planet.  

    The problem at today is in the very limited off-road capabilities and speed of the systems that a further miniaturization of one of the key components will hopefully resolve.

    Yes, Peresvet is actually miniaturized variant of Deathstar. It will be used to destroy planets that oppose iron will of the Federation.
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    Re: Peresvet laser complex

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:34 am

    This laser system is not intended to replace all the sams in Russian service from Verba to S-500.

    It is likely designed to engage targets that are not worth a missile... like the UAVs being used against Russian and Syrian government forces in Syria, or the potential new swarm systems.

    For the smallest targets destruction would be a goal, while with larger heavier stronger targets just disabling their optics might be sufficient to prevent them from being effective.

    Of course we are not talking about a directed torch system, even fairly low power settings of a laser could damage optical sensors rather easily and render the target blind over fairly large distances, which in many cases could be enough.

    We have seen that video of the Israeli weapon that hit the Pantsir system sitting in the middle of a runway... without its optical guidance its terminal accuracy would have been rather poor... even if it was not destroyed by a laser, blinding it is good enough.

    And no it is not the death star... it does not need to be... Russia is not the imperial colonial power the west is.

    Russia does not need murder drones either... if anyone would be building a death star it would be the pentagon.

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