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    Re: Iskander-E (SS-26 Stone):

    Post  Militarov on Mon Apr 18, 2016 11:30 pm

    George1 wrote:whats the actual maximum range of that cruise missile??

    Russians claim its 500km so it does not break INF Treaty. But they have potential to have same or similar range of Kalibr, aka 1500-2000km depending on warhead type. Its basically weaken Kalibr.

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    Post  George1 on Mon Apr 18, 2016 11:40 pm

    so it is in the same range as the ballistic missile of Iskander


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    Re: Iskander-E (SS-26 Stone):

    Post  Militarov on Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:00 am

    George1 wrote:so it is in the same range as the ballistic missile of Iskander

    Yeah, but its range can be extended 3 or 4 times if you ignore threaty. Also its should be cheaper as it shares most of its components with Kalibr and its variants.

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    Post  Isos on Tue Apr 19, 2016 2:10 am

    Militarov wrote:
    George1 wrote:so it is in the same range as the ballistic missile of Iskander

    Yeah, but its range can be extended 3 or 4 times if you ignore threaty. Also its should be cheaper as it shares most of its components with Kalibr and its variants.

    There was some concerns from the pentagone that russia tested a new +2500km cruise missile for Iskander. Maybe it's not this one.

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    Post  Militarov on Tue Apr 19, 2016 2:27 am

    Isos wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    George1 wrote:so it is in the same range as the ballistic missile of Iskander

    Yeah, but its range can be extended 3 or 4 times if you ignore threaty. Also its should be cheaper as it shares most of its components with Kalibr and its variants.

    There was some concerns from the pentagone that russia tested a new +2500km cruise missile for Iskander. Maybe it's not this one.

    Yeah, this one. But there were also few never finished USSR projects that they claim Russians might have reactivated.

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    Post  max steel on Wed Apr 20, 2016 11:58 pm

    Isos wrote:

    Statement from Russia's Defense Ministry said:

    "The missile, made with the use of the radar signature reduction technology, was not detected by electronic warfare from the imaginary enemy and destroyed the target successfully". [It] was flying at an altitude of 40-50 kilometres (25-31 miles) while manoeuvring with 20-fold G force in some parts of the flight."

    Missiles launched from the Iskander-M have a range of 500 kilometres (250-310 miles), at 2100–2600 m/s (Mach 6–7), with the system capable of delivering several types of 500kg (1,100lb) warheads to destroy a wide variety of ground targets.

    The guided missiles can locate targets either via satellite or aircraft, through a conventional intelligence centre, or from aerial photos scanned into a computer.

    They can be re-targeted during flight if engaging mobile targets, and use stealth technology as well as electronic warfare jamming devices for suppression of enemy radar.

    The Iskander launch platform can be transported by any means of transport, including airplanes, with this mobility making it harder to prevent launches. It was outfitted with a new aeroballistic missile late last year.

    It takes 16 minutes to launch a missile from the complex, but this can be cut to four minutes in case of operational readiness. A second missile can be launched in under 50 seconds.

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    Post  Viktor on Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:08 pm

    Extremelly interesting !!!

    Explains much about the Iskander about what mindstorm has been saying Laughing

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    Post  Viktor on Mon Jun 06, 2016 7:37 pm

    Good, its about time for the next contract and I suspect quite a large one thumbsup

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    Post  franco on Tue Jun 28, 2016 11:40 pm

    7th brigade switched to SS-26

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1988614.html

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Wed Aug 31, 2016 12:47 am

    ok has anyone heard of this? i dont really see the point when they have such a good system already the Iskander.

    http://tass.com/russia/800059

    Russia developing upgraded version of Oka tactical missile system — defense ministry

    "There is no need in restoring the old system. We’re developing a new complex," Borisov said, adding the new missile system would be based on the Oka principle.





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    Post  Viktor on Wed Aug 31, 2016 1:00 am

    Could it be Frontier?

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    Re: Iskander-E (SS-26 Stone):

    Post  Austin on Wed Aug 31, 2016 4:58 pm

    Whats the point developing a Iskander like missile ? They already have a INF compliant BM and then develop a new one ?

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    Re: Iskander-E (SS-26 Stone):

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Sep 01, 2016 1:56 am

    Austin wrote:Whats the point developing a Iskander like missile ? They already have a INF compliant BM and then develop a new one ?

    A smaller compact Iskander means cheaper missiles that could be bunched in greater numbers on a launcher. Maybe instead of #2 450-500km missiles per launcher, the same launcher could hold #4 250km missiles, or maybe #8 125km missiles.

    It can differentiate itself from normal MLRS by having many of the same "tricks" the normal Iskander-M has, and be used specifically to overwhelm IAD with a ground based SEAD/DEAD barrage.

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    Post  OminousSpudd on Thu Sep 01, 2016 3:06 am

    Austin wrote:Whats the point developing a Iskander like missile ? They already have a INF compliant BM and then develop a new one ?

    In a word; saturation.

    ...and what Magnum mentioned.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Sep 02, 2016 7:26 pm

    OminousSpudd wrote:
    Austin wrote:Whats the point developing a Iskander like missile ? They already have a INF compliant BM and then develop a new one ?

    In a word; saturation.

    ...and what Magnum mentioned.

    Not necessairly. There was considered a variant of OKA with 900km range...

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    Post  franco on Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:35 am

    Nice photo's from Army 2016;

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2136150.html

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    Re: Iskander-E (SS-26 Stone):

    Post  Project Canada on Mon Oct 03, 2016 5:49 am




    Russia developing upgraded version of Oka tactical missile system — defense ministry

    The Oka system had a range of 400 km (248.5 miles) and, consequently, was excluded from the Intermediate Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF) but was nonetheless scrapped under the treaty

    MOSCOW, June 10. /TASS/. Russia is developing an upgraded version of the Oka tactical missile system (NATO reporting name: SS-23 Spider) scrapped under the INF Treaty, Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said on Wednesday.
    "There is no need in restoring the old system. We’re developing a new complex," Borisov said, adding the new missile system would be based on the Oka principle.

    Present-day technologies allow for improving the system’s range and accuracy characteristics, the deputy defense minister said.
    The OTR-23 Oka tactical ballistic missile system entered service in the Soviet Army in 1983. According to military experts, the Oka complexes made the US newest Patriot air defense missile systems completely ineffective at that time.
    The Oka system had a range of 400 km (248.5 miles) and, consequently, was excluded from the Intermediate Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF) but was nonetheless scrapped under the treaty.

    The INF Treaty signed between the Soviet Union and the United States in 1987 stipulated the elimination of all ground-based ballistic missiles with the shorter ranges of between 500 and 1,000 km and the intermediate ranges of between 1,000 and 5,000 km.
    The disposal of the ballistic missiles under the INF Treaty ended in 1991 and Russia and the United States completed their inspections in 2001.
    The Soviet Union eliminated over 200 Oka missiles and 102 launchers.

    http://tass.com/russia/800059


    Isn't Iskander the successor to the Oka? then why bother develop a "new complex" based on Oka?




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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:07 am

    Project Canada wrote:


    Russia developing upgraded version of Oka tactical missile system — defense ministry

    The Oka system had a range of 400 km (248.5 miles) and, consequently, was excluded from the Intermediate Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF) but was nonetheless scrapped under the treaty

    MOSCOW, June 10. /TASS/. Russia is developing an upgraded version of the Oka tactical missile system (NATO reporting name: SS-23 Spider) scrapped under the INF Treaty, Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said on Wednesday.
    "There is no need in restoring the old system. We’re developing a new complex," Borisov said, adding the new missile system would be based on the Oka principle.

    Present-day technologies allow for improving the system’s range and accuracy characteristics, the deputy defense minister said.
    The OTR-23 Oka tactical ballistic missile system entered service in the Soviet Army in 1983. According to military experts, the Oka complexes made the US newest Patriot air defense missile systems completely ineffective at that time.
    The Oka system had a range of 400 km (248.5 miles) and, consequently, was excluded from the Intermediate Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF) but was nonetheless scrapped under the treaty.

    The INF Treaty signed between the Soviet Union and the United States in 1987 stipulated the elimination of all ground-based ballistic missiles with the shorter ranges of between 500 and 1,000 km and the intermediate ranges of between 1,000 and 5,000 km.
    The disposal of the ballistic missiles under the INF Treaty ended in 1991 and Russia and the United States completed their inspections in 2001.
    The Soviet Union eliminated over 200 Oka missiles and 102 launchers.

    http://tass.com/russia/800059


    Isn't Iskander the successor to the Oka? then why bother develop a "new complex" based on Oka?




    They could be creating a cheaper "dumb" SRBM, as opposed to the more expensive SRBM known as Iskander-M.

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    Post  Viktor on Wed Nov 09, 2016 7:23 pm

    8th thumbsup

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    Post  jhelb on Wed Nov 09, 2016 8:06 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    A smaller compact Iskander means cheaper missiles that could be bunched in greater numbers on a launcher. Maybe instead of #2 450-500km missiles per launcher, the same launcher could hold #4 250km missiles, or maybe #8 125km missiles.

    But then ground launched cruise missile can do the same job. What's the need for tactical ballistic missiles like the Iskander?

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    Post  Viktor on Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:41 pm

    jhelb wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    A smaller compact Iskander means cheaper missiles that could be bunched in greater numbers on a launcher. Maybe instead of #2 450-500km missiles per launcher, the same launcher could hold #4 250km missiles, or maybe #8 125km missiles.

    But then ground launched cruise missile can do the same job. What's the need for tactical ballistic missiles like the Iskander?

    It certainly can not - thats why there is a ballistic and cruise missile technology each with advantages and disadvantages depending on the scenario.

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    Post  Militarov on Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:03 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Project Canada wrote:


    Russia developing upgraded version of Oka tactical missile system — defense ministry

    The Oka system had a range of 400 km (248.5 miles) and, consequently, was excluded from the Intermediate Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF) but was nonetheless scrapped under the treaty

    MOSCOW, June 10. /TASS/. Russia is developing an upgraded version of the Oka tactical missile system (NATO reporting name: SS-23 Spider) scrapped under the INF Treaty, Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said on Wednesday.
    "There is no need in restoring the old system. We’re developing a new complex," Borisov said, adding the new missile system would be based on the Oka principle.

    Present-day technologies allow for improving the system’s range and accuracy characteristics, the deputy defense minister said.
    The OTR-23 Oka tactical ballistic missile system entered service in the Soviet Army in 1983. According to military experts, the Oka complexes made the US newest Patriot air defense missile systems completely ineffective at that time.
    The Oka system had a range of 400 km (248.5 miles) and, consequently, was excluded from the Intermediate Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF) but was nonetheless scrapped under the treaty.

    The INF Treaty signed between the Soviet Union and the United States in 1987 stipulated the elimination of all ground-based ballistic missiles with the shorter ranges of between 500 and 1,000 km and the intermediate ranges of between 1,000 and 5,000 km.
    The disposal of the ballistic missiles under the INF Treaty ended in 1991 and Russia and the United States completed their inspections in 2001.
    The Soviet Union eliminated over 200 Oka missiles and 102 launchers.

    http://tass.com/russia/800059


    Isn't Iskander the successor to the Oka? then why bother develop a "new complex" based on Oka?




    They could be creating a cheaper "dumb" SRBM, as opposed to the more expensive SRBM known as Iskander-M.

    They might use Oka base to develop intermediate range balistic missile, 2000-3000km range. Which are still forbidden by START tho.

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    Post  jhelb on Thu Nov 10, 2016 8:36 am

    Viktor wrote:
    It certainly can not - thats why there is a ballistic and cruise missile technology each with advantages and disadvantages depending on the scenario.

    Can you please elaborate on this - in which scenarios will Iskander do a better job than ground launched cruise missiles? Thanks.

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    Post  Militarov on Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:23 pm

    jhelb wrote:
    Viktor wrote:
    It certainly can not - thats why there is a ballistic and cruise missile technology each with advantages and disadvantages depending on the scenario.

    Can you please elaborate on this - in which scenarios will Iskander do a better job than ground launched cruise missiles? Thanks.

    Balistic trajectory with possibility of maneuvering, few times higher speed than cruise missile, higher payload...

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:25 am

    Cruise missile is a low flying subsonic weapon... if you detect it in the first place then interception even with an old aircraft like a MiG-21 would be likely.

    Think of it in terms of WWII... there were buzz bombs and there were ballistic missiles... V1s and V2s.

    A late model spitfire on patrol could dive from high altitude and catch up on a buzz bomb and fly next to it and let the drag from its own wing flip the buzz bomb without needing to fire a shot (if it tried to shoot it down with its guns then it risked being destroyed in the rather large explosion that would take place if the missiles warhead exploded.)

    Today of course modern SAMs can intercept very fast ballistic missiles, but modern manouvering missiles would still be relatively safe from major SAMs...

    There is no need in restoring the old system. We’re developing a new complex

    Suggests they are not upgrading OKA, they are likely upgrading Iskander...


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