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    Re: Iskander-E (SS-26 Stone):

    Post  Militarov on Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:03 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Project Canada wrote:


    Russia developing upgraded version of Oka tactical missile system — defense ministry

    The Oka system had a range of 400 km (248.5 miles) and, consequently, was excluded from the Intermediate Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF) but was nonetheless scrapped under the treaty

    MOSCOW, June 10. /TASS/. Russia is developing an upgraded version of the Oka tactical missile system (NATO reporting name: SS-23 Spider) scrapped under the INF Treaty, Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said on Wednesday.
    "There is no need in restoring the old system. We’re developing a new complex," Borisov said, adding the new missile system would be based on the Oka principle.

    Present-day technologies allow for improving the system’s range and accuracy characteristics, the deputy defense minister said.
    The OTR-23 Oka tactical ballistic missile system entered service in the Soviet Army in 1983. According to military experts, the Oka complexes made the US newest Patriot air defense missile systems completely ineffective at that time.
    The Oka system had a range of 400 km (248.5 miles) and, consequently, was excluded from the Intermediate Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF) but was nonetheless scrapped under the treaty.

    The INF Treaty signed between the Soviet Union and the United States in 1987 stipulated the elimination of all ground-based ballistic missiles with the shorter ranges of between 500 and 1,000 km and the intermediate ranges of between 1,000 and 5,000 km.
    The disposal of the ballistic missiles under the INF Treaty ended in 1991 and Russia and the United States completed their inspections in 2001.
    The Soviet Union eliminated over 200 Oka missiles and 102 launchers.

    http://tass.com/russia/800059


    Isn't Iskander the successor to the Oka? then why bother develop a "new complex" based on Oka?




    They could be creating a cheaper "dumb" SRBM, as opposed to the more expensive SRBM known as Iskander-M.

    They might use Oka base to develop intermediate range balistic missile, 2000-3000km range. Which are still forbidden by START tho.
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    Re: Iskander-E (SS-26 Stone):

    Post  jhelb on Thu Nov 10, 2016 8:36 am

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    It certainly can not - thats why there is a ballistic and cruise missile technology each with advantages and disadvantages depending on the scenario.

    Can you please elaborate on this - in which scenarios will Iskander do a better job than ground launched cruise missiles? Thanks.
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    Post  Militarov on Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:23 pm

    jhelb wrote:
    Viktor wrote:
    It certainly can not - thats why there is a ballistic and cruise missile technology each with advantages and disadvantages depending on the scenario.

    Can you please elaborate on this - in which scenarios will Iskander do a better job than ground launched cruise missiles? Thanks.

    Balistic trajectory with possibility of maneuvering, few times higher speed than cruise missile, higher payload...
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:25 am

    Cruise missile is a low flying subsonic weapon... if you detect it in the first place then interception even with an old aircraft like a MiG-21 would be likely.

    Think of it in terms of WWII... there were buzz bombs and there were ballistic missiles... V1s and V2s.

    A late model spitfire on patrol could dive from high altitude and catch up on a buzz bomb and fly next to it and let the drag from its own wing flip the buzz bomb without needing to fire a shot (if it tried to shoot it down with its guns then it risked being destroyed in the rather large explosion that would take place if the missiles warhead exploded.)

    Today of course modern SAMs can intercept very fast ballistic missiles, but modern manouvering missiles would still be relatively safe from major SAMs...

    There is no need in restoring the old system. We’re developing a new complex

    Suggests they are not upgrading OKA, they are likely upgrading Iskander...


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    Re: Iskander-E (SS-26 Stone):

    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:37 pm

    In current times of uncertainty, having a cheap ballistic missile (be it short or medium range) is very much ideal, especially if a launch platform is created so that the system can fire not one, but two, four or more. Such a system is ideal in dealing with a conflict of attrition and being able to strike your enemy from afar and hardened position (Airfield, SAM site, concentration of troops). Ukraine is currently building Grom-2 which is supposed to be their variant of "Iskander-M" but we all know that Ukraine can't build reliable....anything so it is still a threat but not that large of one. But it may be cheap - which means they could field more of. If Russia can produce something like an Oka or Tochka that is somewhat modern but cheaper to produce (it would be very cheap to just restart the projects compared to building something new with new design) and modernized, then they could have a solid system of cheap missiles. If they can produce such a system of being thinner as well, they can have a multi launcher system of semi-long range missiles ready to rain down on an enemy position. If they are highly accurate (GLONASS guided, SAR, Imager, etc) then point air defense systems like iron done will not be effective as it will be overwhelmed.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Nov 12, 2016 9:31 am

    The problem is that even basing a new design on an old weapon wont make it cheaper or more effective as most of the parts will no longer be in production.

    In fact I would say the computerised components will be relatively cheap... the expensive component will be solid rocket fuel...


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    Re: Iskander-E (SS-26 Stone):

    Post  Benya on Sat Nov 12, 2016 9:51 am

    The 119th Missile Brigade received a brigade set of 9K720 "Iskander-M" missile complexes, and became fully rearmed


    Missile Brigade CVO rearmed with new operational-tactical missile complexes "Iskander-M"

    119th Missile Brigade 41 th Combined Arms Army of the Central Military District, stationed in the Sverdlovsk region rearmed with new operational-tactical missile complexes "Iskander-M".



    According to the Russian Defense Ministry on November 11 at Kapustin Yar in the Astrakhan region will be held a solemn ceremony of handing over military equipment received by the connection in the framework of the state defense order.

    Divisions will receive kits launchers, life support systems, regulation and maintenance, preparation of the information items, transport and charging and command and staff vehicles.

    Earlier missile troops passed retraining program. Complexes, delivered from the manufacturing plant, have been integrated into a single information system and tested. Help calculations have engineers from the Engineering Design Bureau in Kolomna near Moscow. After securing military equipment for crews at the site will combat missile launches.

    Brigadier set PTRC "Iskander-M" consists of 12 units. SPU 9P78-1, 12 units. transport and loading vehicles 9T250, 11 units. command and staff vehicles 9S552, 14 units. life-support machine, 1 unit. point 9S920 training information, 1 unit. Machine-routine maintenance, 9 units. R-145BM.


    PTRC "Iskander-M" is intended for covert preparation and application of effective missile strikes aeroballistic (at a distance of 700 km) and cruise missiles (at a distance of up to 2 thousand. Km) on the most important miniature and area targets in the operational and tactical depth of the enemy troops. Rockets can be with the following warheads: nuclear, high-explosive, high-explosive incendiary, penetrating, cassette.

    This is the second set which received Brigadier of the Armed Forces this year.

    Serial deliveries PTRC "Iskander-M" in the army has been underway for the fourth year. Schedule delivery of consistently maintained. Total at this point of the Armed Forces have 9 teams and 12 units. SPU 9P78-1 and Division 1 to 4 units. SPU 9P78-1. All together 112 SPU 9P78-1.

    Source (in Russian, translated to english with Google Translator): Arrow http://www.milkavkaz.net/2016/11/raketnaya-brigada-tsvo-poluchila-iskander.html
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    Re: Iskander-E (SS-26 Stone):

    Post  George1 on Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:58 am

    Τhis was the 9th brigade of Iskander missiles delivered.

    Thus, in the Russian Armed Forces, there are two missile brigades, armed with the old "Tochka-U", 152 Guards (Chernyakhovsk, Kaliningrad region) and 448th (Kursk) in the Western Military District.

    Apparently, the two remaining to be delivered (under the contract of 2011) brigade sets of "Iskander-M", the transmission of which must be made in 2017, will be spent on upgrading 448th missile brigade, and to equip the missile brigade of the new formation of the Western or Southern military districts.

    152nd Guards missile Brigade re-arming with "Iskander-M" in Kaliningrad region for political reasons would be postponed to a later date.


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    Re: Iskander-E (SS-26 Stone):

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:02 am



    This iskanders could potentially be used to knockdown warships battle groups. You launch one
    from land ,lets say to the middle of pacific sea and target a carrier battle group, The nuke
    will damage all the electronics and radars of every warship withing an area of 20km and blind it for an hour about 40km. and then launch an easy cruise missile behind to finish the job.
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    Re: Iskander-E (SS-26 Stone):

    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:47 am

    The container version of Oniks has four tubes in a standard 40ft crate...

    The Iskander is a relatively short missile so you could probably put four in a container two separate pairs one in front of each other that could be launched.

    The Iskander has an electro optical guidance option where a satellite photo of the target can be used for targeting... ie a GLONASS location and a satellite image of a ship could be used to engage ships...


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    Re: Iskander-E (SS-26 Stone):

    Post  George1 on Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:59 am

    Two Russian army formations rearmed with Iskander tactical missiles in 2016

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    Re: Iskander-E (SS-26 Stone):

    Post  Benya on Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:51 am

    Russia’s Defense Ministry considering Iskander missile system upgrade

    The Iskander-M (NATO reporting name: SS-26 Stone) tactical ballistic missile system will be operational during the next 25-30 years and proposals for its upgrade are being considered by Russia’s Defense Ministry, General Designer of the Machine-Building Design Bureau Valery Kashin told TASS.


    The Iskander-M (NATO reporting name: SS-26 Stone) tactical ballistic missile system (Photo Vitaly Kuzmin)

    "We have worked out proposals to upgrade the system. They are being considered by the Defense Ministry. However, innovations should be timed to big events. By the early 2020s, ten years will have passed since the first brigade received the Iskander-M system and it will be time to repair it," Kashin said.

    According to him, the upgrade of Iskander-M systems should be synchronized with their repair and maintenance so as not to reduce brigades’ combat readiness.

    "As far as the service life of operational Iskander-M systems is concerned, we believe that the system will be in service as much as its predecessors, i.e. 25-30 years. The Tochka system entered service more than 40 years ago, while the Tochka-U reached its initial operational capability 30 years ago," the general designer said.

    According to him, the deliveries of Iskander-M systems envisage the construction of all required infrastructure, including accommodations, depots and launch sites.

    "This implies serious expenses. It will be irrational spending of budget funds if we manufacture new systems every five-ten years. At the same time, new military hardware may be developed and new political problems and border threats may emerge. Naturally, we will respond to this by upgrading the system," Kashin added.

    Source: Arrow http://www.armyrecognition.com/weapons_defence_industry_military_technology_uk/russias_defense_ministry_considering_iskander_missile_system_upgrade_52401162.html

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    Re: Iskander-E (SS-26 Stone):

    Post  Vann7 on Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:16 pm

    Im curious about how much Iskanders Russia have on its inventory..

    The next video , even though looks very amateur , claims
    Russia have 

    500 Iskanders -M
    400 Toschka  missiles



    anyone knows how many Iskanders Russia have? 
    and he also claims US have about 7,400 cruise missiles??? vs 500 of Russia. 
    if that is true , it represent a major threat to Russia if so many deployed near Russian
    borders and fired with nuclear warheads in a first strike attack.
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    Post  franco on Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:26 pm

    Vann7 wrote:Im curious about how much Iskanders Russia have on its inventory..

    The next video , even though looks very amateur , claims
    Russia have 

    500 Iskanders -M
    400 Toschka  missiles



    anyone knows how many Iskanders Russia have? 
    and he also claims US have about 7,400 cruise missiles??? vs 500 of Russia. 
    if that is true , it represent a major threat to Russia if so many deployed near Russian
    borders and fired with nuclear warheads in a first strike attack.

    - 88 Iskanders capable of firing both ballistic missiles (~300 km) and cruise missiles (~500 km)
    + all the sea launched cruise missiles
    + all the air launched cruise missiles
    = my best guess would be around ~2,000 plus in total
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    Re: Iskander-E (SS-26 Stone):

    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Feb 18, 2017 5:43 am

    Vann7 wrote:Im curious about how much Iskanders Russia have on its inventory..

    The next video , even though looks very amateur , claims
    Russia have 

    500 Iskanders -M
    400 Toschka  missiles



    anyone knows how many Iskanders Russia have? 
    and he also claims US have about 7,400 cruise missiles??? vs 500 of Russia. 
    if that is true , it represent a major threat to Russia if so many deployed near Russian
    borders and fired with nuclear warheads in a first strike attack.

    it looks amateur because it is. Russia still has its soviet stockpile as well. Now that we know yakhont has a ground attack capability, the amount of cruise missiles in Russia's inventory is larger than Franco's guess. Their air launch cruise missile inventory like Kh-55 would still be large.
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    Re: Iskander-E (SS-26 Stone):

    Post  Militarov on Sat Feb 18, 2017 4:17 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:Im curious about how much Iskanders Russia have on its inventory..

    The next video , even though looks very amateur , claims
    Russia have 

    500 Iskanders -M
    400 Toschka  missiles



    anyone knows how many Iskanders Russia have? 
    and he also claims US have about 7,400 cruise missiles??? vs 500 of Russia. 
    if that is true , it represent a major threat to Russia if so many deployed near Russian
    borders and fired with nuclear warheads in a first strike attack.

    it looks amateur because it is. Russia still has its soviet stockpile as well. Now that we know yakhont has a ground attack capability, the amount of cruise missiles in Russia's inventory is larger than Franco's guess. Their air launch cruise missile inventory like Kh-55 would still be large.

    Majority of Soviet stockpile is long gone, you cant upkeep such devices forever.
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    Re: Iskander-E (SS-26 Stone):

    Post  Singular_Transform on Sat Feb 18, 2017 11:28 pm

    Militarov wrote:

    Majority of Soviet stockpile is long gone, you cant upkeep such devices forever.


    The cruise missiles are cheap, you can buy thirty-sixty of them for the price of an aircraft.

    1000 cruise missile = 20-30 SU-35
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    Post  Militarov on Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:17 am

    Singular_Transform wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    Majority of Soviet stockpile is long gone, you cant upkeep such devices forever.


    The cruise missiles are cheap, you can buy thirty-sixty of them for the price of an aircraft.

    1000 cruise missile = 20-30 SU-35

    And laser/GPS guided bombs are even cheaper, yet how many are there stockpiled in Russia? 500?
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    Post  George1 on Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:15 pm

    Over 80% of Russia’s missile units rearmed with Iskander tactical systems

    Iskander tactical ballistic missile systems are capable of hitting both small-size and large-area targets at a distance of up

    MOSCOW, February 22. /TASS. Over 80% of Russia’s missile formations have switched over from Tochka-U tactical missile systems to the advanced Iskander-M complexes, Army Commander-in-Chief Colonel-General Oleg Salyukov told journalists on Wednesday.

    "Work continues in the ground forces to rearm military units and formations with the modern types of armament and military hardware. The ground forces’ missile formations are switching over in a planned procedure from the Tochka-U tactical missile complex to the Iskander-M system. As of today, over 80% of missile formations have received the new missile systems," the commander said.


    This year, two more missile formations will switch over to Iskander-M systems, he added.

    The Iskander-M tactical missile system is designated for making concealed preparations and delivering high-accuracy missile strikes against various objectives in the enemy’s tactical depth within a guaranteed destruction range of 50 to 500 km in various theaters of operation and any conditions, including amid active missile defense and jamming counter-measures.

    Iskander tactical ballistic missile systems are capable of hitting both small-size and large-area targets at a distance of up to 500 km to destroy missile and multiple launch rocket systems, long-range artillery guns, aircraft and helicopters at aerodromes, command posts and communications centers.

    The Iskander tactical ballistic missile complex includes a launcher, a loader-transporter, a routine maintenance vehicle, a command post vehicle, an information post, an ammunition equipment set and training aids.


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    Post  George1 on Sat Apr 15, 2017 10:27 am

    Missile systems of Iskander-M of the 119th separate missile brigade of the Central Military District

    The press service of the Central Military District reported on April 7, 2017 that the missilemen of the Central Military District, who had performed the first military launches from the Iskander-M new tactical missile systems (OTRK) at Kapustin Yar (Astrakhan region) on the eve, had returned to the point A permanent dislocation in the Sverdlovsk region.

    A solemn meeting was held on the platform with the participation of families of servicemen. The combat equipment is located in a new park area with tent-mobile shelters equipped with its own ventilation system, fire fighting, power supply and heating.
    The missile brigade of the Central Command received the Iskander-M missile company at the end of last year at the Kapustin Yar test site, where during the following months the units completed a full course of retraining for new equipment.



    On the bmpd side, we point out that we are talking about the 119th separate missile brigade of the 41st Combined-Arms Army of the Central Military District (the brigade is stationed in the village of Elanskiy, Sverdlovsk Region). The brigade set of the Iskander-M missile system delivered by Scientific-Production Corporation KB Design Bureau was transferred to the brigade on November 11, 2016. The 119th rocket brigade became the ninth Russian Armed Forces missile brigade equipped with the Iskander-M missile defense company.

    It should also be recalled that, apparently, it is the 119th missile brigade that US sources attribute to the deployment of the first combat missile battalion equipped with a new long-range cruise missile 9M729 (SSC-Cool, which was allegedly moved in December 2016 From the Kapustin Yar test site to the base in the central part of the country."

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    Post  Isos on Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:52 am

    Iskander M lunch. The nose of the missile look different, maybe the EO targeting system.




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    Post  George1 on Sat Jun 10, 2017 1:10 am

    MOSCOW, June 9. /TASS/. A missile formation of Russia’s Eastern Military District has received a brigade set of the Iskander-M tactical ballistic missile system, the Defense Ministry of Russia reported on Friday.

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    Post  George1 on Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:10 am

    In the Eastern Military District, a new missile brigade was formed, equipped with Iskander-M complexes

    As reported by the TASS agency on June 9, 2017, the missile unit of the Eastern Military District received a brigade kit of the Iskander-M missile system. This was reported in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation [on the Defense Ministry's website there is no message about this - bmpd].

    "On the Kapustin Yar test site, a solemn ceremony of handing the Iskander-M brigade kit to the personnel of the East Military District missile unit was held. More than 10 launchers, transport-loading and command-staff vehicles, life support equipment, regulations and technical equipment were handed over to the personnel of the missile brigade. Service, the point of preparation of information, "the military department said.



    This is the 10th missile connection of the Ground Forces, completely transferred to the operation of a modern missile system, was specified in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

    The crews of the missile unit have already begun to work out practical actions to control missile strikes.
    "The final stage of the rearmament of the missile brigade will be tactical exercises with the combat launch of a cruise missile, after which all the personnel of the unit will redeploy by rail to the place of permanent deployment," the ministry added.

    The Iskander-M complex is designed to destroy command posts and communication centers at distances up to 500 kilometers, airfields at aerodromes, missile systems and multiple rocket launcher systems, as well as long-range artillery.

    The bmpd comment. Thus, we are talking about equipping the missile complex 9K720 Iskander-M with a missile brigade of a new formation in the Eastern Military District, which will become the fourth missile brigade of the Air Defense Forces. According to known information, a new separate missile brigade (the number was not mentioned in open sources so far) was formed as part of the 29th All-Voya Army of the Airborne Forces (control in Chita) and is deployed in the village of Gorny (Chita-46) in the Trans-Baikal Territory, 70 km to the south From Chita, together with the 200th separate artillery brigade deployed there.

    The set of the Iskander-M complex transferred to the new missile brigade became the ninth such brigade kit delivered under the state contract З/3/1/24-11-DGOZ dated August 4, 2011 between the Ministry of Defense of Russia and JSC Scientific Production Corporation KB Machine Building", the sole supplier of the Iskander-M, for the supply of ten brigade sets of the Iskander-M complex, and the first set transferred in 2017.

    Taking into account the Brigade set of the Iskander-M missile ship delivered in 2010-2011, now ten missile brigades of the Russian Ground Forces are equipped with this complex.

    In 2013, in accordance with a contract dated August 4, 2011, NPK KB Engineering has transferred to the Ministry of Defense two brigade sets of Iskander-M missile systems that were supplied to equip the 107th Separate Missile Brigade of the Eastern Military District (stationed in Birobidzhan) and The 1st separate Guards missile brigade of the Southern Military District (Krasnodar).

    In 2014, under this contract, the MSC transferred two brigade sets of the Iskander-M missile systems that were supplied to the 112th separate Guards missile brigade of the Western Military District (deployed in Shuya, Ivanovo Region) and the 92nd Separate Missile Brigade of the Central Military District stationed in Totskoe-2 Orenburgskaia region).

    In 2015, under this contract, the MSC transferred two brigade sets of Iskander-M missile systems that were supplied to equip the 103rd Separate Missile Red Banner Brigade of the Eastern Military District (stationed in Ulan-Ude) and the newly formed 12th Separate Missile Brigade of the Southern Military District stationed in Mozdok, North Ossetia).

    In 2016, under this contract, the MSC transferred two brigade sets of the Iskander-M missile system, which were supplied to the 20th separate Guards missile Berlin twice with the Red Banner Brigade of the 5th All-Arms Army of the Eastern Military District (stationed in Ussuriisk, Primorsky Territory) and the 119th Separate missile brigade of the 41st Combined-Arms Army of the Central Military District (stationed in the village of Elanskiy, Sverdlovsk region).

    In addition, before the conclusion of the 2011 contract with OAO NPK KB Engineering, the brigade set of the Iskander-M missile system was equipped in 2010-2011 with the 26th separate missile brigade of the Western Military District (Luga, Leningrad Region). Iskander-M missile was in service with the first 630th separate missile battalion of the 60th training center for the combat use of the Missile Forces and Artillery of the Russian Land Forces in Kapustin Yar (2005-2007), which also carried out the first combat employment of this complex entrance Five-day war with Georgia in AB

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    Re: Iskander-E (SS-26 Stone):

    Post  Enera on Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:20 am

    I have a question, does anyone know 9M716 Volga? Volga was said as successor to Oka-U, with range up of 1000 km by using two Oka stages. Apparently the project was terminated by KBM sometime 1988+ in favour of Iskander development. The following pictures are what I found regarding the project:





    Volga is the tallest fat missile. On Iskander guided by electro-optic, the missile would have a hemispherical front as shown in both images. An Iskander with sharp nose is more likely to be guided by radar image correlator, right? Or the sharper nose would indicate a detachable nose cone for temporary protection of the electro-optic until end game.

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