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    Re: Iskander-E (SS-26 Stone):

    Post  2SPOOKY4U on Sun Apr 12, 2015 9:21 am

    @GarryB, could you please move max steel's post as well as mine to the Iskander thread? or the general question thread, whatever you see fit. Thanks.



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    Re: Iskander-E (SS-26 Stone):

    Post  max steel on Sun Apr 12, 2015 9:54 am

    So it has a quasi ball path ?

    Can you give more info on ATACMS system ? Thanx . Just post it on the Iskander thread i will follow from there .

    Thanks .



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    Re: Iskander-E (SS-26 Stone):

    Post  2SPOOKY4U on Sun Apr 12, 2015 10:03 am

    @maxsteel

    It is nearly 1 am for me so I will add more to this post tomorrow, but here is a good video on the potential of Iskander to be able to carry self defensive emp systems.
    You will have to look through the video a bit, but there is a lot of info.

    Grrrr, can't find it, I know I gave it on my watch later list, but it is 219 videos total.

    I promise I will get back to you first thing Max steel.

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    Post  Vann7 on Sun Apr 12, 2015 10:29 am

    max steel wrote:I follow a financial blog where an australian keeps popping up with usa military tech , weapons and  keep making claims how it is superior to russians nd  chinese mismatched and stoved military tech . Thanks for informing mate . Just another bogus claim of his .


    His 2nd claim :- Iskander missiles are not "quasi" ballistic, their trajectory is ballistic. The 'missile' part distinguishes it as not being a ballistic rocket, it is a guided terminal maneuvering missile. So there's no 'quasi' about it, these are weapons which fit the category of precision guided theater ballistic missiles, like the US ATACMS missile system. So US has an equivalent of Iskander .


    Is it also true ?

    Not at all he is smoking crack..

    MGM-140 ATACMS missile are more at the level of Soviet Scuds but with GPS guidance..
    Basically mini scuds artillery ,if you like to call it.. It should not be underestimated however
    the range is 300km and even a rock falling by luck in your head will kill you. But they are fairly
    simple american technology form the 80s ,so they were made to be used like artillery.. think in
    ATACMS more like early smerch artillery like the one Ukraine have, with 3x times more range and added Gps guidance in the warhead. In wikipedia there is mention of the poor performance of the missiles in Afganistan.. it mixed its target by 1,000 meters aparently and ending landing in a civilian house. So AtACMS is more like basic super long range rocket artillery (300km) with GPS guidance in the warhead.

    Latest versions of Russian OTR-21 Tochka can be even better than ATACMS for hammering enemy air defenses since aside of inertial guidance ,have passive radar in the warhead.and under ideal conditions can score a Direct Hit if you have a clean target .. ie.. without decoys traps and good inteligence on the ground. Ukraine ahve the early versions of Tochka that are very innacurate and they never hit anything with that.. its role in the entire conflict have been largely zero.. SInce always miss and end hitting empty places.. but like i said if they hit by luck something the explosive power is lethal. can damage 10 or more tanks.

    Iskander missiles is an entirely different Beast.. those are more closer to ICBMS league. They can do violent 90 degree turns ,making it unpredictable and very difficult to intercept and have decoys , EMP active defenses , Glonass Satellite navigation ,and Optics sensors in the warhead. It is claimed to have an up to 5-7 meter precision.. and it have active defenses. ( a missile that counter other missiles trying to intercept it) So it is a real wonder. You can call it an intelligent near space orbit quasi ballistic missile ,guided by satellite and with optical terminal guidance . Is estimated is capable of 700km range ,breaking the treaties with US intermediate range.

    ATACMS is useless for precision bombing. Iskander not. ATACM range is 300km .. Iskander-M official range is 500km. Iskander also could be used in combination with a cruise missile version.. In short Iskander is a very modern Next Generation Ballistic missile in service in 2006.
    while ATACM was made in the mid 80s. ATACM is more in the level of early version of TOSCKA missiles that Ukraine army use but inferior to the latest versions that Russia have with passive radars.




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    Re: Iskander-E (SS-26 Stone):

    Post  Cucumber Khan on Sun Apr 12, 2015 11:58 am

    George1 wrote:Russian Missile Operators Brought Up to Speed on Iskander-M

    Missile operators of Russia’s Eastern Military District will undergo a special retraining course to handle the state-of-the-art Iskander-M ballistic missile system.

    During the six-month course at a test range in the southern Astrakhan region the missile system operators will be learning the ins and outs of the advanced tactical ballistic missile complex to culminate in a real-life missile launch.

    It is the second unit of the Russian Missile Forces to be armed with the Iskander-M complexes, military officials said.

    The Iskander-M (also referred to as NATO's reporting name SS-26 Stone) is characterized by high mobility and maneuverability, as it takes just 20 minutes to place the system in operational readiness.

    The system is capable of hitting targets at a distance of up to 500 kilometers, with a precision of around 30 centimeters.

    It can hit troop concentrations or underground command centers, depending on the warheads placed on the rockets. If necessary, its missiles can also be armed with nuclear warheads.

    The Iskander-M missile system has been used by the Russian military since 2006.

    Only the second? Surely there are more than one Iskander unit operational right now? Second unit in the Eastern Military District perhaps?

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    Re: Iskander-E (SS-26 Stone):

    Post  max steel on Sun Apr 12, 2015 8:17 pm


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    Re: Iskander-E (SS-26 Stone):

    Post  Vann7 on Mon Apr 13, 2015 9:07 am

    max steel wrote:Vann 7 I already came across your thread : http://www.russiadefence.net/t2939-comparison-of-smerch-vs-m270-atacms-accuracy What a Face

    oh forgot about that..
    The problem with ATACM will be precision and easy to intercept since it follows a simple predictable trajectory. you cannot ask much for a missile of the 80s.. So lets say
    NATO give ATACM missiles to Ukraine ,with 300km range.. what Russia will do is deploy
    patsir missiles or Buks to defend eastern ukraine from them. and Russia counter with Iskander.
    aimed at kiev parliament.. to wipe the Fascist there.. Smile

    So in short there is nothing that NATO can give ukraine ,that Russia cannot counter it with a better weapon.. and defend against it too. Perhaps a rail gun mounted in a warship,will be a nice one.. but no idea in what way it will help..since the rebels do not have airforce. or navy .For area damage Nothing beats artillery.. cheap ,efficient and cannot be intercepted effectively in mass attacks.

    The thing that they could supply however is chemical weapons.. But if kiev use those ,will lose
    the few support the had in Europe.

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    Re: Iskander-E (SS-26 Stone):

    Post  max steel on Mon Apr 13, 2015 1:58 pm

    Raiguns . I saw US military testing it in the vide saying how chep and effective it can be . Never heard f Russian raiguns . Do they have any ?

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    Re: Iskander-E (SS-26 Stone):

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Apr 13, 2015 2:08 pm

    Yes. An electromagnetic gun has been tested by soviet union. Dunno about Russia since they invested in building another A-60 instead (laser). But I imagine they are dabbling in electromagnetic guns again. Cheap? Maybe the gun itself but not the electricity needed to power it.

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    Re: Iskander-E (SS-26 Stone):

    Post  Werewolf on Mon Apr 13, 2015 9:28 pm

    The projects for russian railguns is in development, but no idea about recent progress they are not open about it the only thing they present about their railgun progress is what they had in late80's to 90's.



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    Re: Iskander-E (SS-26 Stone):

    Post  Viktor on Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:11 am

    Previously Iskander ban in relation to an unknown country has been cleared and is ready for export - thumbsup

    Russian arms exporter ready to sell Iskander ballistic missile systems abroad

    The designing bureau was preparing a contract to sell Iskander to a foreign buyer earlier but the agreement was not signed for political reasons


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    Re: Iskander-E (SS-26 Stone):

    Post  flamming_python on Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:16 am

    Viktor wrote:Previously Iskander ban in relation to an unknown country has been cleared and is ready for export -  thumbsup

    Russian arms exporter ready to sell Iskander ballistic missile systems abroad

    The designing bureau was preparing a contract to sell Iskander to a foreign buyer earlier but the agreement was not signed for political reasons


    Would this be the first Iskander export?

    Iran is the obvious guess; I believe it even stated its interest before - but it may be to China too.

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    Re: Iskander-E (SS-26 Stone):

    Post  max steel on Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:23 am

    Whoa !! Russia selling Iksander export dowgraded model . Israelis will be super pissed if Iran gets them . CHINA buyong quasi-ballistic iksander but it cant target usa cities with it . Chinese can place nuclear warheads onit . What about India ? They arent interested ?

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    Re: Iskander-E (SS-26 Stone):

    Post  flamming_python on Tue Apr 14, 2015 12:25 pm

    max steel wrote:Whoa !! Russia selling Iksander export dowgraded model . Israelis will be super pissed if Iran gets them . CHINA buyong quasi-ballistic iksander but it cant target usa cities with it . Chinese can place nuclear warheads onit . What about India ? They arent interested ?

    Iskander-Ms can't reach Israel from even western Iran. Not the export model anyway with an artificially downgraded range.

    It's much more a threat to Saudi Arabia and the Gulf Monarchies.
    The Saudis have been ruining relations with Russia in recent months, so this can't come at a better time.

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    Post  cracker on Wed May 13, 2015 3:26 am

    hi

    so i've seen conflicting photos of 2 erected missiles and 1 centrally erected missle....... What's the real arrangement of the TEL iskander? it has 1 or 2 missiles aboard, and can it shoot them simultaneously, or, one shortly after the other? How about guiding both missiles, are they twins or separately guided to 2 different targets?

    so if russian army has 60 "iskander" does it mean she has 60 trucks with 2 missiles = 120 or just 60 trucks with 1 missile?

    What's the final number goal of iskander-M ? how many currently in service? (currently = mid 2015, not a 2014 number)

    Realistically, are there any in-service iskander fitted with a nuclear head, or only HE variants?

    The vehicle is amphibious? how protected is it? at least bullet-proof all around including glasses?

    how many men and vehicle types and units does a iskander battery possess?

    credible range is 500 or 480km? it may be more than 500km ? i mean, russia could declare this range to be at advantage secretly having 550 or 600km real range?

    Let's say russia has in the end 150 TEL, it means there are only 150 or 300 missiles available or, are there like stockpiles of missiles to reload the TEL ? the total number of missiles can be as high as 1000?


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    Re: Iskander-E (SS-26 Stone):

    Post  cracker on Wed May 13, 2015 6:52 am

    ok i've read the topic and found the 1 missile TEL is rather the export variant and the russian army variant has 2 missiles.


    i've got my answer for the composition of a iskander unit too.

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    Re: Iskander-E (SS-26 Stone):

    Post  George1 on Sun May 17, 2015 4:23 am

    Iskander-M missile systems to be deployed in Kaliningrad region till 2018

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    Re: Iskander-E (SS-26 Stone):

    Post  Kyo on Thu May 28, 2015 3:03 pm

    Russia Stations Iskander Missiles in Kaliningrad: NATO cries wolf

    Major General Mikhail Matvievsky, chief of Strategic Missile Forces and the Artillery of the Russian Ground Forces, said earlier this month that a missile brigade redeployed to the Kaliningrad region would be equipped with Iskander-M complexes before 2018.
    The Iskander-M (also referred to as NATO's reporting name SS-26 Stone) is characterized by high mobility and maneuverability, as it takes just 20 minutes to place the system in operational readiness.
    The system is capable of hitting targets at a distance of up to 500 kilometers, with a precision of around 30 centimeters. It can hit adversary troops or underground command centers, depending on the warheads placed on the rockets.
    The system can also fire high-precision R-500 cruise missiles.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/us/20150528/1022658842.html#ixzz3bRDIOR8v

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    Re: Iskander-E (SS-26 Stone):

    Post  George1 on Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:08 pm

    The modified missile complex "Iskander-M" will be presented in mid-June

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    Re: Iskander-E (SS-26 Stone):

    Post  George1 on Wed Jun 10, 2015 10:36 pm

    Russian Armed Forces in the next month will get one more complex "Iskander"

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    Re: Iskander-E (SS-26 Stone):

    Post  rambo54 on Wed Jul 01, 2015 3:45 pm

    Hi!
    Is someone able to pinpoint the Iskander garrisons? I just found the one of 26th BGD over here in Luga 58.747817° 29.817916°.
    But I don't know where are the other ones.
    Thanks

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    Re: Iskander-E (SS-26 Stone):

    Post  Vann7 on Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:10 am

    Why are you so obsessed Rambo54 to know such information about very precise
    satellite locations of Russian military hardware?  Anyone that monitors your post have to wonder ,whats going on with your curiosity ? Is not normal.. are you being hired by an NGO or western
    spy agency?   Your curiousity is not normal dude.. stop asking classified information about
    RUssia military hardware...  By looking at your previous post.. you are clearly a telaviv fanboy ,
    for your support of the criminal proxy war of the terrorist state of Israel arming ISIS to fight the Syria government.. Go with your "ISraeli Push" to zionazi Mp.net land.

    You should be ashamed of supporting the Israeli major genocide against millions in Syria
    by supporting terrorist to destroy that country..  and I don't see point of your obsession of knowing details of real time locations of things.. Unless you have been hired by a Mafia
    western agency or Israel.  This is not the forum to get information about the satellite locations of Russia most important military hardware.  People should be very distrustful of your intentions here. What kind of benefit a normal civilian will get by knowing the exact coordinates of every strategic Russian military hardware.. or submarines? Neutral  

    Better people not provide any satellite coordinate to Rambo or anyone in this forum..
    because there could be Spies or terrorist that can use that information for nothing good.
    Your Interest in knowing exactly where are located Russian warships and military hardware is
    offensive. Suspect   Dude stop doing that .

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    Re: Iskander-E (SS-26 Stone):

    Post  2SPOOKY4U on Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:02 am

    Vann7 wrote:Why are you so obsessed Rambo54 to know such information about very precise
    satellite locations of Russian military hardware?  Anyone that monitors your post have to wonder ,whats going on with your curiosity ? Is not normal.. are you being hired by an NGO or western
    spy agency?   Your curiousity is not normal dude.. stop asking classified information about
    RUssia military hardware...  By looking at your previous post.. you are clearly a telaviv fanboy ,
    for your support of the criminal proxy war of the terrorist state of Israel arming ISIS to fight the Syria government.. Go with your "ISraeli Push" to zionazi Mp.net land.

    You should be ashamed of supporting the Israeli major genocide against millions in Syria
    by supporting terrorist to destroy that country..  and I don't see point of your obsession of knowing details of real time locations of things.. Unless you have been hired by a Mafia
    western agency or Israel.  This is not the forum to get information about the satellite locations of Russia most important military hardware.  People should be very distrustful of your intentions here. What kind of benefit a normal civilian will get by knowing the exact coordinates of every strategic Russian military hardware.. or submarines? Neutral  

    Better people not provide any satellite coordinate to Rambo or anyone in this forum..
    because there could be Spies or terrorist that can use that information for nothing good.
    Your Interest in knowing exactly where are located Russian warships and military hardware is
    offensive.  Suspect     Dude stop doing that .


    Jesus Fcking Christ


    Vann7, do you really think the CIA goes HERE to gather their intel?

    Seriously?


    If anyone is the Western NGO operative, it is you with your tirades about "appearance" and "presentation".

    You would want Russia to spend all of its money mowing its lawns and making CGI.

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    Re: Iskander-E (SS-26 Stone):

    Post  flamming_python on Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:11 am

    2SPOOKY4U wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:Why are you so obsessed Rambo54 to know such information about very precise
    satellite locations of Russian military hardware?  Anyone that monitors your post have to wonder ,whats going on with your curiosity ? Is not normal.. are you being hired by an NGO or western
    spy agency?   Your curiousity is not normal dude.. stop asking classified information about
    RUssia military hardware...  By looking at your previous post.. you are clearly a telaviv fanboy ,
    for your support of the criminal proxy war of the terrorist state of Israel arming ISIS to fight the Syria government.. Go with your "ISraeli Push" to zionazi Mp.net land.

    You should be ashamed of supporting the Israeli major genocide against millions in Syria
    by supporting terrorist to destroy that country..  and I don't see point of your obsession of knowing details of real time locations of things.. Unless you have been hired by a Mafia
    western agency or Israel.  This is not the forum to get information about the satellite locations of Russia most important military hardware.  People should be very distrustful of your intentions here. What kind of benefit a normal civilian will get by knowing the exact coordinates of every strategic Russian military hardware.. or submarines? Neutral  

    Better people not provide any satellite coordinate to Rambo or anyone in this forum..
    because there could be Spies or terrorist that can use that information for nothing good.
    Your Interest in knowing exactly where are located Russian warships and military hardware is
    offensive.  Suspect     Dude stop doing that .


    Jesus Fcking Christ


    Vann7, do you really think the CIA goes HERE to gather their intel?

    Seriously?


    If anyone is the Western NGO operative, it is you with your tirades about "appearance" and "presentation".

    You would want Russia to spend all of its money mowing its lawns and making CGI.

    Why wouldn't they?

    In this place all the information and news is conveniently collected in one place; and in English too.

    Of course there are equivalent Russian-language resources too - but that wouldn't except this place from observance.

    One can often find gems of seemingly unimportant, or even classified information - among the mundane.
    Even if the information is not classified in nature, it can still be valuable - as collating it in one place or asking questions on specific topics can save time on digging up the info by yourself.

    Bottom-line is; err on the side of caution when faced with such questions; although questioning people's motives is a little much. Simply, if in doubt then don't answer, or don't answer precisely

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    Re: Iskander-E (SS-26 Stone):

    Post  2SPOOKY4U on Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:15 am

    flamming_python wrote:

    Why wouldn't they?

    In this place all the information and news is conveniently collected in one place; and in English too.

    Of course there are equivalent Russian-language resources too - but that wouldn't except this place from observance.

    One can often find gems of seemingly unimportant, or even classified information - among the mundane.
    Even if the information is not classified in nature, it can still be valuable - as collating it in one place or asking questions on specific topics can save time on digging up the info by yourself.

    Bottom-line is; err on the side of caution when faced with such questions; although questioning people's motives is a little much. Simply, if in doubt then don't answer, or don't answer precisely


    Seriously?

    You think the western intel agencies give a fck what Izvesta, Sputnik, etc say?

    Come on, you can't be for real.

    The guy is probably the same as SOC.

    SOC looks at google earth images all the time.

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