flamming_python wrote:Sujoy can you give me some more concrete arguements plz.
I mean it's pretty obvious that they're wrong but these non-people don't take no for an answer and are stubborn, I need something to shut them up.
Flamming Python ,
I can provide you with some arguments however I strongly doubt that people who survive on a daily dose of PR crack will buy your arguments in their hallucinated state.
Anyways . The TAMIR interceptor missile of the Iron Dome is capable of intercepting rockets that are incapable of intelligent terminal manoeuvres
. It is also an extremely costly system . To intercept a $2000 rocket you send out a $50K interceptor missile . Bear in mind that this missile does NOT guarantee one shot one kill . The standard operating procedure for Iron Dome is to fire two interceptors in each engagement, although it is unclear if that was the case in the first round of engagements. Each interceptor costs about $50,000. The success rate we are interested in is thus the fraction of rockets that that Iron Dome attempts to intercept that it actually destroys, not the success rate of a single interceptor. Agility is not required from the Tamir since the targets to be destroyed themselves are not agile & follow a predictable flight trajectory without any evasive terminal manoeuvring
Let's look at the figures that the IDF released pertaining to the rocket attacks :
Total number of rockets fired at Israel : 1506
Iron Dome Interceptions : 421
Now the word "Intercept" means ( in this case) an intercept attempt ( which may or may NOT be successful).It is quite possible that intercept attempts were made on rockets that fell on open areas as well.The official claim that 7% of the rockets hit populated areas is difficult to understand, since 7% of 1506 is about 105, far more than the 58 that actually hit urban areas.On the other hand if 7% means the percentage of rockets that would have hit urban areas
in the nonexistence of Iron Dome, then the figure of 7% seems far too small (479/1506 = 32%) even allowing for the possibility that some of the intercepted rockets would have fallen outside of populated areas.
In 2011 the success rate of the Iron Dome ( as reported in Jerusalem Post )was as follows :
April - 8 out of 10 ( 80%)
August - 22 out of 28 ( 79%)
October - 3 out of 9 ( 33%)
The average success rate is therefore 70%
Sheera Frankel reporting in the Baltimore Sun wrote in March 2012
Of the 250 or so rockets and mortars fired at Israel( in March 2012) from Gaza, 166 entered Israel’s airspace, officials said. Of those, 74 would have struck civilian areas or buildings. The Iron Dome system intercepted 56 before they could land, a success rate of 75 percent. Israeli official argue that the Iron Dome also identified rockets that were headed for open areas, such as fields, and let them land. Factoring those in, Israeli military officials argue that only 18 of the 166 landed anywhere on target, giving the system a success rate of nearly 90 percent
The above statement makes clear that the often-cited figure of 90% applies to the March 2012 attacks and is NOT actually the effectiveness of Iron Dome
. Rather it is simply the fraction of rockets that enter Israel’s airspace that either are successfully intercepted or fall outside Iron Dome’s defended areas
What emerges very clearly from my above arguments is that you will have a 70% - 75 % chance of intercepting obsolete Grad rockets with Iron Domes , however against TBMs/ cruise missile with manoeuvring capabilities Iron Dome will be a complete failure.
One of the options that is being incorporated to intercept Iranian Ballistic missiles and cruise missiles is that the Iron Dome will be incorporated with a plug-n-play system that can easily accommodate elements like SpyDer-SR & even Barak-2 MR-SAM in the overall network. This development lays out bare the claim that Iron Dome can intercept TBS/ cruise missiles . For that matter Iron Dome cannot intercept 155mm artillery shells either coz 155mm rounds do not arrive sequentially above their targets. Up to five 155mm rounds can land at the same time due to MRSI capability, thereby complicating the interception process.
Again , what I have explained above is for your eyes only if you feel you can explain these to some xenophobic nationalist , all the power to you