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    AlfaT8

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    Re: Future russian aircraft carriers. #3

    Post  AlfaT8 on Tue Jul 03, 2018 5:14 pm

    If the mission is for taking out insurgents, than use S/VTOVL drones, you'll save a ton.
    If the mission is to actually protect your ships from enemy air-power, then get a damn Carrier.
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    Re: Future russian aircraft carriers. #3

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:21 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:If the mission is for taking out insurgents, than use S/VTOVL drones, you'll save a ton.
    If the mission is to actually protect your ships from enemy air-power, then get a damn Carrier.

    If enemy air-power is coming after your ships then nuclear war is 5 minutes away.

    Waste of money for obsolete PR bullshit...
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    Re: Future russian aircraft carriers. #3

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:11 pm

    Not necessarily, LRAShMs used against a nuclear armed power may lead to tactical nukes being used 1st, but escalation to a nuclear war is on a much higher level. The attack on USS Liberty  didn't result in nuking Israel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
    OTH, if say Ukraine uses her SU-27/35s against the Russians in the Azov/Black Sea, nukes r not called for to retaliate.
    Future & current hypersonic missiles won't need nuclear warheads to destroy/disable surface targets at sea- the kinetic impact + HE (high explosive) warhead alone r enough!
    TU-22M3s can carry 4 Kinzhals:
    https://iz.ru/762053/2018-07-02/tu-22m3-smozhet-nesti-do-chetyrekh-kinzhalov
    https://iz.ru/762766/ilia-kramnik/kinzhal-dlia-tushki


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    Re: Future russian aircraft carriers. #3

    Post  AlfaT8 on Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:41 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:If the mission is for taking out insurgents, than use S/VTOVL drones, you'll save a ton.
    If the mission is to actually protect your ships from enemy air-power, then get a damn Carrier.

    If enemy air-power is coming after your ships then nuclear war is 5 minutes away.

    Waste of money for obsolete PR bullshit...

    Sure, a few ships sinking and nukes are in the air.
    Would they, wouldn't they, don't know, but if you wanna prevent nukes from getting launched, then make sure your ships don't sink.
    Ergo, get a carrier.

    Tired of this "NUKE" card BS.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Jul 04, 2018 12:30 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:.....
    Tired of this "NUKE" card BS.

    Fortunately people who get to decide aren't.

    That is why we have peace (minor incidents notwithstanding)
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    Re: Future russian aircraft carriers. #3

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Jul 04, 2018 12:43 am

    Compared to a nuclear war u refer to, naval/air battles r minor incidents. Even if a USN CVN was sunk/crippled with loss of Ks of sailors, that alone still won't justify nuking any1. The USA isn't anymore suicidal than NK, RF, PRC, France, UK, India, Pakistan, or Israel.
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    Re: Future russian aircraft carriers. #3

    Post  LMFS on Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:09 pm

    Funny that I, among all people in the forum, post this news, but it is what it is:

    Russia developing new launch catapults for aircraft carriers


    An electromagnetic catapult is a mechanism, which accelerates an aircraft by linear induction motors instead of steam shuttles

    Russia’s United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) is developing new launch systems for warplanes based on aircraft carriers, USC President Alexei Rakhmanov told TASS on Wednesday.

    "We closely follow developments in shipbuilding in the leading sea powers and do not sit idle. Work is currently underway to develop systems that can also be used on modern aircraft carriers. For example, we are working on special modifications of new aircraft launch systems," he said.

    The United Shipbuilding Corporation president did not specify the characteristics of these systems or the timeframe of their creation.

    Catapults for aircraft carriers

    Then-CEO of the St. Petersburg-based Nevskoye Design Bureau Sergei Vlasov earlier told TASS that Russia had started work to create an electromagnetic aircraft launch system (an electromagnetic catapult) for aircraft carriers.

    An aircraft launch system (a catapult) aboard an aircraft carrier is needed to accelerate radar surveillance aircraft or planes with the thrust/weight ratio insufficient for taking off from the ski-jump ramp on the carrier’s fore end.

    A steam catapult is a mechanism driven by high pressure steam. A special channel is arranged under the deck for a shuttle to move along it. The shuttle takes hold of the aircraft’s nose gear and pulls the plane. The catapult gives the plane the necessary speed for the take-off.

    An electromagnetic catapult is a mechanism, which accelerates an aircraft by linear induction motors instead of steam shuttles. This principle is used on monorail railroads.

    The work on creating a steam catapult was carried out in the Soviet Union. The new device was expected to be installed on the 7th Soviet heavy aircraft carrier Ulyanovsk that was under construction at the Nikolayev Shipyard (Ukraine). The creation of this warship was halted in 1992 and it was cut up and junked as metal scrap.

    An electromagnetic catapult is being tested aboard the US most advanced aircraft carrier Gerald R. Ford. A deck-based plane was for the first time launched from it on July 28, 2017.


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    http://tass.com/defense/1011912
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    Re: Future russian aircraft carriers. #3

    Post  eehnie on Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:19 pm

    LMFS wrote:Funny that I, among all people in the forum, post this news, but it is what it is:

    Russia developing new launch catapults for aircraft carriers




    An electromagnetic catapult is a mechanism, which accelerates an aircraft by linear induction motors instead of steam shuttles

    Russia’s United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) is developing new launch systems for warplanes based on aircraft carriers, USC President Alexei Rakhmanov told TASS on Wednesday.

    "We closely follow developments in shipbuilding in the leading sea powers and do not sit idle. Work is currently underway to develop systems that can also be used on modern aircraft carriers. For example, we are working on special modifications of new aircraft launch systems," he said.

    The United Shipbuilding Corporation president did not specify the characteristics of these systems or the timeframe of their creation.

    Catapults for aircraft carriers

    Then-CEO of the St. Petersburg-based Nevskoye Design Bureau Sergei Vlasov earlier told TASS that Russia had started work to create an electromagnetic aircraft launch system (an electromagnetic catapult) for aircraft carriers.

    An aircraft launch system (a catapult) aboard an aircraft carrier is needed to accelerate radar surveillance aircraft or planes with the thrust/weight ratio insufficient for taking off from the ski-jump ramp on the carrier’s fore end.

    A steam catapult is a mechanism driven by high pressure steam. A special channel is arranged under the deck for a shuttle to move along it. The shuttle takes hold of the aircraft’s nose gear and pulls the plane. The catapult gives the plane the necessary speed for the take-off.

    An electromagnetic catapult is a mechanism, which accelerates an aircraft by linear induction motors instead of steam shuttles. This principle is used on monorail railroads.

    The work on creating a steam catapult was carried out in the Soviet Union. The new device was expected to be installed on the 7th Soviet heavy aircraft carrier Ulyanovsk that was under construction at the Nikolayev Shipyard (Ukraine). The creation of this warship was halted in 1992 and it was cut up and junked as metal scrap.

    An electromagnetic catapult is being tested aboard the US most advanced aircraft carrier Gerald R. Ford. A deck-based plane was for the first time launched from it on July 28, 2017.


    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/1011912


    Good news. thumbsup Russia moving forward.
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    Re: Future russian aircraft carriers. #3

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:12 am

    The United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) is probably not a good choice to do it, unless they hire outside experts. In the US, CVN builders r not involved in it, but the General Atomics is: http://www.ga.com/electromagnetic-aircraft-launch-system



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    Re: Future russian aircraft carriers. #3

    Post  Singular_Transform on Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:15 am

    It takes six-ten years to develop this catapult.

    It is more likely ten years.
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    Re: Future russian aircraft carriers. #3

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:36 am

    They won't have a CVN built by 2025 anyway, if ever.
    Interestingly, China had full access to old steam catapults on HMAS Melbourne but decided not to build them for her 1st CV:
    Prior to the ship's departure for China, the RAN stripped Melbourne of all electronic equipment and weapons, and welded her rudders into a fixed position so that she could not be reactivated. However, her steam catapult, arresting equipment and mirror landing system were not removed. ..The ship was not scrapped immediately; instead she was studied by Chinese naval architects and engineers as part of the nation's top-secret carrier development program. ..The PLAN subsequently arranged for the ship's flight deck and all the equipment associated with flying operations to be removed so that they could be studied in depth. ..It has also been claimed that the Royal Australian Navy received and "politely rejected" a request from the PLAN for blueprints of the ship's steam catapult.The carrier was not dismantled for many years; according to some rumours she was not completely broken up until 2002.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMAS_Melbourne_(R21)#Decommissioning_and_fate

    In 2015, media reports stated that both an EMALS and a steam-powered catapult were constructed at the Huangdicun naval base for testing; this is thought to indicate that the Type 002 class as well as future PLAN carriers could possibly be CATOBAR carriers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_aircraft_carrier_programme#Type_002
    https://www.popsci.com/chinas-new-carrier-gets-ski-ramp

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