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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  medo on Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:08 pm



    Another Su-33 b/n 78 is equipped with pylons 11 and 12, which are used for air to graund armament. New pylons, which Su-33 got with modernization after Syria could indicate, that it got upgraded FCS computer to integrate them. Maybe it finally get some guided weapons like TV guided bombs KAB-500Kr and missiles Kh-29T. Maybe even anti-radar missiles Kh-31P as it already have L-150 Pastel RWR.

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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  hoom on Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:53 am

    The EW pods are new for Su-33 also aren't they? (apologies if previously discussed)

    Interesting that there is significant post-Syria upgrades happening, I thought Su-33s were supposed to be in process of being replaced by the MiG-29K Suspect

    Edit: watching that video on previous page Ka-29 sure is a weird bird.
    I had always just assumed its essentially a Ka-27 stripped of ASW gear -> navalised troop transport with some rocket pods.

    From recollection there was footage of them using ATGMs in Syria which was a huge surprise to me.
    This vid shows up another surprise: apparently its got a nose gun Shocked
    Ru Wiki says
    built-in four-barreled mobile machine-gun unit 9A622 of 7.62 mm caliber with an ammunition of 1,800 rounds, controlled by the navigator-operator. The machine gun is installed in the nose of the fuselage and has the ability to rotate from 0 ° to −31 ° down, as well as to the left by 28 ° and to the right by 30 °

    I don't remember seeing any sign of a nose gun turret, maybe a Ka-50 style side mount? dunno So I went hunting for pics...

    Nope wtf I don't see where it is/can be scratch

    Well there it is, behind a nose door Shocked



    Also can mount gun-pods


    And even fixed 30mm


    So its actually got the firepower of a Hind as well as capacity for 16 troops (presumably not both at once?)
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  Hole on Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:26 am

    The 30mm gun and ATGM´s are used in attack mode.
    The small gun in the nose is carried when transporting troops.
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  GarryB on Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:54 am

    The US wants to justify cancelling Turkish participation in the F-35 by citing the S-400 buy after Ankara got in bed with Iran, Russia & most recently the EU. Iran provided an F-14 & F-4 to the USSR after 1979 regime change; the US & Israel don't want their latest fighter compromised. https://www.upi.com/Archives/1985/11/20/Iran-gave-the-Soviet-Union-US-F-14-Tomcat-and/2779501310800/

    Oh dear god what is this bullshit?

    Bodansky... who gave no sources for the information... because he just pulled it out of his ass.

    What a load of total bullshit... are you retarded?

    Iran gives the Soviet Union access to former CIA sites in Iran and total access to F-4 and F-14 aircraft and weapons... in the 1980s... at the same time as actively supporting the Muj in Afghanistan FIGHTING THE SOVIETS... yeah of course they will hand over the technology of their best fighter plane to the Soviet Union who is openly supporting Iraq in the Iran Iraq war that is going on in the 1980s... Iraq used T-72 tanks... what tanks did the Iranians use... sure as hell weren't T-72s...

    ...oh dear god... my favourite:

    In the United States, military experts said it would not be considered a great loss if the Soviets did receive the F-14s since the technology is known. They pointed out that the Soviet Foxbat already uses technology from the F-14 and F-15. The Tomcat has been in service since 1972.

    So the Foxbat... whose first flight was 1964 uses technology stolen from the F-14 in the 1980s whose first flight was in 1970, but also from the F-15 whose first flight was in 1972....

    Damn... the real problem was not that Iran didn't do this... the real problem is that the Russians have a TARDIS...


    That guy is rambling...

    Bodansky said that since late 1980 the Soviets have been building the Moslem Revolutionary Guards as an organized military force that would eventually be able to take over the army.

    'By this, they not only remove from the scene the only credible pro-Western organization in Iran but have made Iran, a country at war, dependent on the Soviet Union for its military supplies,' he said.

    WTF the Iranians overthrew the pro US government in 1979... Iran has been anti west since then... the Soviets did not build up any military force within Iran... that is the sort of shit the west did to put their nutter in power there in the first place.

    My god that is the dumbest article I have ever read... in fact I am putting that website on the blocking list for my fire wall...


    An Israeli general mentioned recently that stealth was going to live 5 to 10 years... and I think he was trying to be polite

    I wouldn't say it was totally useless, but if the entire design is compromised for the purpose of stealth then you might have problems in the future even if IR technology improves let alone radar technology.

    The 30mm gun and ATGM´s are used in attack mode.

    The 30mm gun ammo is stored in the troop transport area, so it means you either carry the gun or troops but not both.

    The Ka-29 is a very interesting aircraft, but the 7.62mm four barrel gatling gun is very very limited... the limits of the projectile means it only becomes effective at a distance where a ground target shooting at you with a 12.7mm or bigger weapon really has you in its sights.

    It would be useful against a small boat or a floating mine, but would otherwise be a moral weapon...
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  George1 on Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:58 am

    Baltic Fleet Aviation Returns to Chkalovsk Airfield

    As the press service of the Western Military District reported on October 4, 2018, about 20 crews of the 72nd naval aviation base of the Baltic Fleet embarked on a flight from the Chernyakhovsk airfield to the Chkalovsk airfield [in Kaliningrad] after completing its large-scale reconstruction.



    Su-24M and Su-30SM airplanes from the 72nd naval aviation base of the Baltic Fleet at Chkalovsk airfield (Kaliningrad), 10/05/2018 (c) “Vesti Kaliningrad”


    In the course of the planned work on the reconstruction of the Chkalovsk airfield, a modern concrete pavement was laid on the runway, taxiways and aircraft parking areas, allowing all types of modern military and civil aircraft to land. The characteristics of the runway, improved during the renovation, now allow multiple aircraft to take off simultaneously.

    The capabilities of the airfield for the placement of aviation equipment were also significantly expanded - parking and taxiways were significantly increased. Safety lanes are equipped.

    During the reconstruction, a great deal of work was done on upgrading the drainage system, electricity supply and lighting networks, and communication systems.

    Currently, the updated airfield can accommodate more than five different types of aircraft.

    From the side of bmpd, we recall that the airfield Chkalovsk near Kaliningrad has traditionally been one of the main bases for combat aircraft in the Kaliningrad region. The reconstruction of the airfield Chkalovsk by the forces of FSUE "Spetsstroy" has been carried out since 2012. During the work, the aerodrome runway was reconstructed, the length of which was increased from 2,600 meters to 3,100 meters, which makes it possible to receive aircraft of any class, new aircraft parkings were made, modern communication lines and power lines were replaced, radio engineering and lighting equipment was built, a new one was built complex of ground structures.

    During the reconstruction of the Chkalovsk airfield, the aviation of the 72nd naval aviation base of the Baltic Fleet stationed on it was relocated to the nearby Chernyakhovsk airfield.



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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  Hole on Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:25 am

    3.100m runway length means bombers can operate from there.
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  medo on Sat Oct 06, 2018 3:23 pm

    They build very wide parking area in Chkalovsk. They couls easily build roofs for planes there.
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  George1 on Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:25 am

    Baltic Fleet Aviation Received Five More Modernized Ka-27M Helicopters

    As the head of the press service of the Western Military District, Colonel Igor Muginov, reported to the TASS news agency on October 5, 2018, the Maritime Aviation of the Baltic Fleet was armed with modernized Ka-27M helicopters to search and detect submarines.



    Comment bmpd. With the receipt of these five modernized Ka-27M anti-submarine helicopters, the total number of modernized Ka-27M helicopters in the Baltic Fleet aviation, according to known data, reached seven units, and in the Naval Aviation of the Russian Navy as a whole - 22 units.

    Recall that the modernization of the Ka-27PL antisubmarine helicopters into the Ka-27M variant is carried out at the Kumertau Aviation Production Enterprise JSC (KumAPP, part of the Russian Helicopters JSC). In December 2016, KumAPP transferred the first eight serially upgraded Ka-27M helicopters to the Russian Navy, which were upgraded under a contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense dated January 2013. Of these, six helicopters entered the aviation structure of the Northern Fleet, and two - in the composition of the 859th Center for combat use and training of the flight personnel of the Naval Aviation of the Russian Navy in Eisk.

    Subsequently, KumAPP implemented the following contract of 2014 with the Ministry of Defense of Russia for the modernization of another 14 Ka-27PL combat helicopters for the Ka-27M variant, ten of which were commissioned in 2017, and another four - in 2018. Including two modernized Ka-27M helicopters (commissioned in 2017) entered the Baltic Fleet in early 2018, and now five more Ka-27Ms upgraded under this contract have been transferred to the Baltic Fleet. According to available information, of the rest of the Ka-27M helicopters upgraded under this contract, six (commissioning 2017) arrived in 2018 in the Pacific Fleet, and another in the 859th Center in Eisk.

    In September 2018, the management of the Russian Helicopters JSC announced the conclusion in the near future of an additional contract for the modernization of two more helicopters under the Ka-27M variant.

    According to KumAPP’s accounting statements for 2015, the cost of KumAPP’s first contract for the repair and upgrading of eight Ka-27M helicopters was 2.785 billion rubles, and the second contract for upgrading 14 Ka-27M helicopters was 5.311 billion rubles. Thus, the contract price of repairs with the modernization of one machine amounted, respectively, 348 and 379 million rubles.

    The Ka-27M modernization program has a long history, and in its current version (product "27D2"), two modernized Ka-27PL helicopters with tail numbers "0909 black" were used as prototypes (serial number 09-09; year, then additionally upgraded as the first prototype Ka-27M in the mid-2000s) and "48 blue" (serial number 012-01, re-equipped in 2008). The act of completion of state tests Ka-27M was signed in the summer of 2017. The Ka-27M helicopter is equipped with a new "radar command and tactical system" developed by JSC "Phazotron-NIIR", including a new acoustic and magnetometric systems, a radio intelligence system, an information and computing system, and an on-board Kopje-A radar with an active phased antenna lattice.

    According to the statement made by Yury Guskov, First Deputy General Director and General Designer of Phazotron-NIIR Corporation, JSC, at the Ka-27M version, 46 Ka-27PL helicopters are planned to be modernized (later other sources in the Russian Ministry of Defense announced the figure of 50 machines by 2020).

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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  medo on Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:05 am

    hoom wrote:The EW pods are new for Su-33 also aren't they? (apologies if previously discussed)

    Interesting that there is significant post-Syria upgrades happening, I thought Su-33s were supposed to be in process of being replaced by the MiG-29K Suspect

    MiG-29K will replace Su-33 on the carrier deck and Su-33 will take the role of ground based fighter. We could see Su-33 jets in September naval exercise in Mediterranean sea near Syria, where they operate from Hmeimim air base together with naval Su-30SM, but no MiG-29K was present in exercise.

    Regarding ECM pods, this is not really clear actually, but we could guess. We do not know, if Su-33 was capable to carry those Sorbtsia-S ECM pods after light modernization in KNAAPO, where they got Pastel RWR instead of old Beryoza. Fact is, that in Syria carrier operations, those ECM pods are used only on modernized Su-33 with SVP-24, two non-modernized Su-33 didn't have ECM pods. Modernized Su-33 after Syria also got additional underwing weapon pylons 11 and 12, which standard Su-33 didn't have.




    Here we could see a cockpit of old Su-33. Under HUD we could see a weapon control pannel with 10 pylons on it. We could also notice on the right side, that Su-33 have the same RSBN navigational system as MiG-31 and not the same as Su-27. Installing of additiona 11 and 12 pylons need new or upograded FCS computer to integrate them and new control pannel. Actually all new jets with 11 and 12 pylon don't have this old weapon control pannel under HUD, but the weapon informations were shown on MFD. Su-33 upgraded with SVP-24 in time of Syrian operation still have only 10 pylons and old weapon control pannel, additional weapon pylons were added after Syria compaign, when they were modernized in ARZ.



    Pylons 11 and 12 are usually meant for air to surface weapons. ECM pods and additional pylons show, that Su-33 didn't got only SVP-24-33 as it is only a subsystem for precision strikes with unguided ammunition and doesn't work with weapon pylons and with ECM equippment, but a new FCS complex to integrate them into a whole system. New or upgraded FCS could enable the use of anti-radar missiles Kh-31P as Su-33 is already equipped with L-150 Pastel RWR to program them. Without a problem they could add TV guided bombs KAB-500Kr and TV guided missiles Kh-29T. Only question now is radar and IRST. Did they modernize radar with modes against ground and surface targets as well as to use new R-77-1 air to air missiles and did they replace old IRST with OLS-30 with TV and laser target designating channels inside.
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  Labrador on Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:56 am

    George1 wrote:Baltic Fleet Aviation Returns to Chkalovsk Airfield

    Here https://twitter.com/Strike_Flanker/status/1048583727360696320

    and severals others https://twitter.com/Strike_Flanker
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  Labrador on Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:58 am

    medo wrote:
    hoom wrote:The EW pods are new for Su-33 also aren't they? (apologies if previously discussed)

    Interesting that there is significant post-Syria upgrades happening, I thought Su-33s were supposed to be in process of being replaced by the MiG-29K Suspect

    MiG-29K will replace Su-33 on the carrier deck and Su-33 will take the role of ground based fighter. We could see Su-33 jets in September naval exercise in Mediterranean sea near Syria, where they operate from Hmeimim air base together with naval Su-30SM, but no MiG-29K was present in exercise.

    Regarding ECM pods, this is not really clear actually, but we could guess. We do not know, if Su-33 was capable to carry those Sorbtsia-S ECM pods after light modernization in KNAAPO, where they got Pastel RWR instead of old Beryoza. Fact is, that in Syria carrier operations, those ECM pods are used only on modernized Su-33 with SVP-24, two non-modernized Su-33 didn't have ECM pods. Modernized Su-33 after Syria also got additional underwing weapon pylons 11 and 12, which standard Su-33 didn't have.



    Here we could see a cockpit of old Su-33. Under HUD we could see a weapon control pannel with 10 pylons on it. We could also notice on the right side, that Su-33 have the same RSBN navigational system as MiG-31 and not the same as Su-27. Installing of additiona 11 and 12 pylons need new or upograded FCS computer to integrate them and new control pannel. Actually all new jets with 11 and 12 pylon don't have this old weapon control pannel under HUD, but the weapon informations were shown on MFD. Su-33 upgraded with SVP-24 in time of Syrian operation still have only 10 pylons and old weapon control pannel, additional weapon pylons were added after Syria compaign, when they were modernized in ARZ.



    Pylons 11 and 12 are usually meant for air to surface weapons. ECM pods and additional pylons show, that Su-33 didn't got only SVP-24-33 as it is only a subsystem for precision strikes with unguided ammunition and doesn't work with weapon pylons and with ECM equippment, but a new FCS complex to integrate them into a whole system. New or upgraded FCS could enable the use of anti-radar missiles Kh-31P as Su-33 is already equipped with L-150 Pastel RWR to program them. Without a problem they could add TV guided bombs KAB-500Kr and TV guided missiles Kh-29T. Only question now is radar and IRST. Did they modernize radar with modes against ground and surface targets as well as to use new R-77-1 air to air missiles and did they replace old IRST with OLS-30 with TV and laser target designating channels inside.

    Very good grapic it is your own ? CAB is free fall bombs not guided ?


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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  GarryB on Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:01 pm

    I suspect another effect of the Il-20 being shot down over Syria that the self defence systems of all Russian aircraft will be re-examined and reevaluated... to make sure Russian air crew are as safe as they can be made to be...
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  medo on Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:26 pm

    Labrador wrote:Very good grapic it is your own ? CAB is free fall bombs not guided ?


    No, graphic is from here:

    https://www.558arp.by/en/products-and-services-eng/services-eng/modernization-aviation-materiel-eng/su-27-30-aircraft-eng

    CAB is actually KAB like KAB-500Kr for TV guided bomb and KAB-500L for laser guided bomb.

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