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    Post  medo on Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:14 pm

    MiG-29K is meant for carrier operations as they are smaller and coult take more of them than Su-33. When they ordered MiG-29K fighters, they gave to Su-33 new task to protect Northern fleet bases and Arctic region from ground based air bases. RuNAVY will built a new whole year active air base in Zemlya Aleksandra island in the far North and they plan to have 4 fighters stationed there. Su-33 is ideal for this task. It is made for operations over the ocean with its navigation complex and with its structure and engines and it have stronger undercarriage for carrier operations. As all Flankers Su-33 have long range (longer than MiG-29) and is equipped with IFR probe. And at last Su-33 have folding wings, what mean they need smaller hangars than other ground based fighters.

    Of course Northern fleet will also have Su-30SM jets for protection of their bases, but still Su-30SM is more contonental fighter than maritime as it doesn't have such anti corrosion protection as Su-33 as well as navigation complex. Modernization of Su-33 radar with air to ground and air to sea modes will make it excellent anti-ship platform.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:25 am

    SVP-24 'Gefest' upgrade for Su-33

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    Post  medo on Wed Aug 02, 2017 10:18 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:SVP-24 'Gefest' upgrade for Su-33

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    Nice find and very interesting MFD for Su-33. It have more bottons as we before see only a bottom raw of them. It could easily have more functions than just SVP and air to air radar modes. I wonder if they give more informations regarding upgrade in MAKS.

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    It is interesting to note, that it could show the map to the distance up to 300 km. In Su-24 it could show the map to distance up to 150 km, what is the range of Su-24 radar. Upgraded N001 radar have such range against ships on the sea, against ground targets its range is also 150 km.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:20 am

    In the link it says it can receive targeting data from the ship and can carry out bombing in "automatic" regime....not sure what that means exactly?
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    Post  T-47 on Thu Aug 03, 2017 5:06 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:In the link it says it can receive targeting data from the ship and can carry out bombing in "automatic" regime....not sure what that means exactly?

    Ship controlling the aircraft maybe?
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    Post  medo on Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:42 pm

    This could only mean, that carrier Kuznetsov is also well modernized with new C4ISR complex to share all data with other ships, air force and groiund forces via satellite or radio data links and deliver all needed targeting and other info to naval fighters like Su-33 and MiG-29K. Automatic regime simply means, that fire control complex automaticaly drop bombs on given target coordinates. This mean, that fire control compute in Su-33 is upgraded, that it could use satellite navigation and data link to receive air, ground and sea targets and to exchange picture with others. Now we could assume L-150 Pastel is also integrated in fire control computer, what means Su-33 could use anti-radar missiles.
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    Post  kopyo-21 on Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:27 pm

    medo wrote:This could only mean, that carrier Kuznetsov is also well modernized with new C4ISR complex to share all data with other ships, air force and groiund forces via satellite or radio data links and deliver all needed targeting and other info to naval fighters like Su-33 and MiG-29K. Automatic regime simply means, that fire control complex automaticaly drop bombs on given target coordinates. This mean, that fire control compute in Su-33 is upgraded, that it could use satellite navigation and data link to receive air, ground and sea targets and to exchange picture with others. Now we could assume L-150 Pastel is also integrated in fire control computer, what means Su-33 could use anti-radar missiles.
    If they want, Su-33s with SVP-24 and upgraded WCS can use satellite-guided and EO-guided bombs/missiles too.
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    Post  medo on Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:43 pm

    https://iz.ru/614927/aleksei-ramm-dmitrii-litovkin/tcena-voiny-tcena-boepripasa

    In modern local conflicts high-precision weapons are very expensive to apply. Americans joke that an airplane for several hundred million dollars by a bomb costing tens of thousands destroys a tent or truck, which several thousand are not worth. SVP-24 provides the use of both guided and conventional bombs, which are much cheaper than high-precision bombs. In our case, the effect of saving was also achieved by the fact that the aircraft used them with high accuracy.

    - Now it is fashionable to say "network-centric system". SVP-24 allows directly in flight to transfer to the aircraft a new target designation and execute a strike already on it. This is the work of the network-centric system: according to the "central" order, the plane took off in the air, went into the corresponding zone, and there it already works in the network. Therefore, the number of Su-24 strikes is much larger and more effective than if they used high-precision pre-programmed ammunition.

    The SVP-24 complex already stands on the front and long bombers Su-24M and Tu-22M, deck-based fighters Su-33. Now we have modernized the Su-25. We are ready to conduct similar work on our own aircraft for other aircraft.

    Interesting interview with the head of Gefest & T company about SVP-24. It could use guided and unguided bombs, so most probably it could use TV and satellite guided bombs. It is a kind of fire control computer and it could work with radar, like in Su-24M and in Tu-22M3. This could be interesting regarding Su-33. This mean Su-33 could as well use guided bombs and missiles and is fully integrated in data link network. New digital computer could integrate L-150 pastel RWRs, which enable the use of anti-radar missiles. The last important question is radar.

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    SVP-24 display from Su-33 with distances of 10, 25, 75, 150 and 300 km

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    OP4-TM display from SVP-24 in Su-24M with distances of 25, 75 and 150 km, what is compatible with Su-24M radar.

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    Cockpit from Su-24M2 from NAPO modernization package. Radar display have distances of 10, 25, 75 and 150 km, which show distances of radar maping and resolution.

    300 km distance on Su-33 display could indicate, that the radar is upgraded to the level of N001VEP, which have range of 300 km against big aerial and naval targets.

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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:13 pm

    That svp-24 system is a total beast. And it was significantly cheaper too. So it gives old aircrafts far better capabilities and the ability to shoot guided munitions too.

    I'm curious what the company will come up with next
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    Post  kopyo-21 on Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:31 am

    miketheterrible wrote:That svp-24 system is a total beast. And it was significantly cheaper too. So it gives old aircrafts far better capabilities and the ability to shoot guided munitions too.

    I'm curious what the company will come up with next
    They has moved ahead to provide the SVP-24 for Tu-95MS upgrades. With SVP-24, now Tu-95MS can receive data then feed the mission into the seeker of Kh-101 & Kh-102 missiles at real time and on the air to attack a target from the distance of thousands km.

    http://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/archive-world-worldwide-news-air-force-aviation-aerospace-air-military-defence-industry/global-defense-security-news/global-news-2017/june/3589-russia-s-tu-95ms-bomber-to-be-fitted-with-new-computing-subsystem.html
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:04 am

    It has interesting potential.

    For COIN type operations where the enemy force can be expected to have nothing more potent than MANPADs a simple cheap subsonic bomber... even an Il-28 type simple straight wing bomber with a 3 ton payload and perhaps new modern efficient engines could be designed with this avionics upgrade and dumb bombs to operate with UAVs to find and engage targets from safe altitudes with the accuracy of guided weapons but the cost of a low cost aircraft and cheap dumb bombs...

    If you give the aircraft exceptionally long range you can operate them all from one airfield, which means you only need to worry about MANPADS around one airfield which would simplify defence.

    Obviously fitting the aircraft with DIRCMs would increase its cost but I think its value would outweigh its cost over time as eventually a state sponsored enemy might adapt to engage slow high flying targets... even a MANPAD mounted on a simple UAV could eventually be used against a simple cheap bomber target...
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    Post  medo on Fri Aug 18, 2017 5:28 pm

    It seems SVP-24 is not just ballistic computing subsystem but a full fire control complex. I wonder, how much influence in SVP-24 have Su-30KN modernization package, as Su-30KN and Su-27UBM were cancelled in 2003 and Irkut decide to not continue with this program, but went on Su-30MKI program. Irkut deliver Su-30KN package to Baranovichi aviation plant in Belarus, which similarly as Gefest install this modernization package to Su-27/30, MiG-29, Su-25 and Su-22 with similar capabilities. Could be, that Gefest got this package as well, as it was no more in use by Irkut and was free for other users. After all Su-30KN was made as low cost multirole fighter for RuAF needs in that time, which have to be as capable as possible and as cheap as possible, but was still cancelled because of money shortage. If Gefest got Su-30KN package in their hands, than a speed of Su-33 upgrade is not a surprize and this package includes radar upgrade to become multirole fighter. Distance of 300 km on Su-33 display shows, that Radar is upgraded as basic N001 from old Su-33 doesn't have such range. Acording to info from Baranovichi, upgraded radar have range against ground targets 150 km and against naval targets 350 km. This could be well seen on Su-33 display, where max distance was limited to 300 km, but other distances are standard as with Su-24M.

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    Post  medo on Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:51 am

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2806457.html

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    Now we got some interesting news from "Armia-2017" regarding Su-33 operations in Syria. Kuznetsov carrier is equipped with the same automated command complex ASPDD-24 as Su-24M and SVP-24 data link is exchanging info with this command post. Some attacks from Su-33 were coordinated from the carrier itself, but a very small number, only 10 of 1300. 318 targets were delivered from the same command posts on the ground (Hmeimim) and 133 from recce groups on the ground, what bring 461 in total of 1300 targets. All the rest were received from the air, that mean Su-33 find targets itself and for this it need air to ground modes in radar as pilot could not find them with his eyes and that SVP-24-33 also integrate IFDL (intra flight data link) to exchange full situational picture with other planes of air, sea and ground targets and could receive targets from Su-30SM, Su-34, Su-35 and MiG-29K, which are also equipped with IFDL to work in data link network. This could mean, that IFDL in Su-33 was also upgraded as before it was create to exchange air targets inside the group and AEW platform.
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    Post  wilhelm on Sun Oct 01, 2017 3:58 pm

    Singular_Transform wrote:


    It can carry anti ship missiles, but can't carry helicopters or other long range sensor platform, and it can't climb high enough to "see" ships.
    The Soviet Union classified ekranoplans into 3 categories.
    Category A - Used almost always in ground effect, but with a limited pop up climb ability.
    Category B - could attain certain altitudes.
    Category C - only used ground effect for takeoff and landing phases.

    For example, the large 140 ton Category B Orlynok could reach 3000m.
    As far as I can recall, the massive 380t Lun was also able to acheive a considerable altitude, much higher than Orlynok if I recall correctly.
    So, their efficient regime was in ground effect, but nothing stops an ekranoplan of the correct design from climbing higher to have an electronic "look around".
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    Post  George1 on Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:03 pm

    Aviation of the Pacific Fleet received six repaired Ka-29 helicopters

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       The bmpd comment. According to available information, on November 9, 2017 six transport-and-repair repairs to the Kumertau Aircraft Production Enterprise (KumAPP, part of the Russian Helicopters JSC) transport-combat helicopters Ka-29 were delivered to Nikolaevka, which were formally handed over after the repair in December 2016 (the well-known board numbers "85", "90", "91" and "94").

       The contract for the repair of these six Ka-29 helicopters was listed in the work plan of Kumertau Aviation Production Enterprise JSC (KumAPP) for 2016. The value of the contract is 435 million rubles. (thus the repair price of one helicopter was 72.5 million rubles).

       This transfer will significantly increase the fleet of operating Ka-29 helicopters of the Navy of the Russian Navy, as only four Ka-29 helicopters were in the state of the Navy at the end of 2016 - two cars with aircraft numbers "38 yellow" (registration number RF-34194) and "39 yellow" (registration number RF-34188), operated at the 859th Center for Combat Operations and Training of the Flight Structure of the Naval Aviation of the Russian Navy in Yeisk, as well as Ka-29 helicopters with the "23 red" and "75 red" in the aviation of the Northern Fleet.

       It should be noted that the repair of two more Ka-29 helicopters of the Black Sea Fleet aviation (yellow side plates "69" and "70") was completed in 2017 at SUE "Sevastopol Aircraft Repair Enterprise" (SAP).

       In total, from 1977 to 1988, three pilot and 59 serial Ka-29 helicopters were built, of which seven after the collapse of the Soviet Union withdrew to Ukraine.

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    Post  medo on Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:59 pm

    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12153428@egNews

    Очередная партия палубных истребителей Су-33 оборудована специальной вычислительной подсистемы СВП-24-33 в рамках модернизации.
    В результате проведенной модернизации они смогут с высокой эффективностью работать не только по воздушным, но также по наземным и морским целям.

    A new batch of Su-33 fighters was equipped with SVP-24-33 FCS. There is a good question, if Gefest could also replace components in radar and instal processor Baguet-55.04 and other new components in it. They don't need to replace a whole radar, just few components in it and it will become multirole.
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    Post  medo on Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:59 pm

    https://navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2017/december-2017-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/5780-kh-31-air-to-surface-missile-added-to-russian-navy-mig-29k-kub-weapons-package.html

    Not sure if this was mentioned here. Russian Navy is arming their MiG-29K/KUB with Kh-31A(D?) anti-ship missiles. It seems first naval fighters receiving those missiles were Su-30SM. I wonder, how quick those missiles will be available for Su-33. It looks like navy didn't have those missiles before and this could be a very good reason, why we didn't see Su-33 armed with Kh-31 missiles in past. If Navy only now receive Kh-31A/P missiles, than we will also see in near future, if Su-33 is capable to use anti-radar Kh-31P missiles as it is equipped with L150 Pastel RWR. It looks like Navy only now receive guided weapons like Kh-29TD seen on Su-30SM, KAB-500Kr bombs, Kh-31A/P missiles, etc. I wonder what weapons have navy for their Su-24M before.
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    Post  George1 on Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:23 pm

    Repaired Ka-29 helicopter in the Baltic Fleet

    In the final stage of the State tests in the Baltic Sea, the first large-scale landing ship of the 11711 Ivan Gren project, which was built at the PJSC Baltic Shipyard Yantar, was engaged in the first returned to the combat composition of the aviation of the Baltic Fleet of the Russian Navy after a long break, the Ka-29 transport and landing helicopter , now having the onboard number "14 yellow".

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    According to the known data, this helicopter was repaired at JSC "150 aircraft repair plant" (Lublino, Kaliningrad region, now the plant is a part of the JSC "Helicopters of Russia") and was delivered at the end of 2016, but actually put into operation in the summer of 2017 , becoming the first for a long time by the operational Ka-29 helicopter as part of the Baltic Fleet aviation. The helicopter is a part of the helicopter squadron of the 72nd aviation base of aviation of the Baltic Fleet, stationed at the airdrome Donskoe (Kaliningrad region).

    In November 2017, it was reported that the 150th ARZ completed the overhaul of three more Ka-29 helicopters from the aviation of the Baltic Fleet, which allowed the formation of a detachment of these helicopters in Donskoy. However, according to available information, the crews of these helicopters are still being trained at the 859th Center for Combat Training and Retraining of the Naval Aviation Staff of the Russian Navy in Yeysk.

    Earlier, roughly from 2004 to 2010, one Ka-29 helicopter with the aircraft number "22 yellow" was operated as part of the Baltic Fleet aviation, before being repaired at the 150th ARZ, but then it was decommissioned by the resource. The remaining Baltic Ka-29s were discontinued by the end of the 2000s.

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    Post  Luq man on Sun Dec 24, 2017 6:58 pm

    New Russian naval helicopter drone developed:
    http://yablor.ru/blogs/razrabotka-bespilotnogo-letatelnogo/5851923
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    Post  eehnie on Mon Dec 25, 2017 2:00 pm

    Very interesting. The Russian Navy is surely working tireless in order to have the most advanced unmanned aircrafts, including helicopters. Most of the roles they need will be solved by unmanned aircrafts in some years.

    Ships are strong platforms that allow many options for UAVs. Every ship can operate UAVs even the smallest. Very likely they are finding the maximum operative size for UAVs for every type of ship, in order to maximize the range of the UAVs and the payload of sensors they can carry. In the case of the ships with helipad this maximum size will be very close to the size of the current helicopters, and being unmanned the ranges of these UAVs will be powerful..

    Only the shipborne fighters are less likely to become unmanned, and Russia has assured the future of shipborne fighters with the Su-57. All the rest, every new type of combat and auxiliary (early warning, maritime patrol, transport,...) helicopter or modern VTOL aircraft is likely to be unmanned after 2025.
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    Post  kopyo-21 on Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:40 am

    medo wrote:It seems SVP-24 is not just ballistic computing subsystem but a full fire control complex. I wonder, how much influence in SVP-24 have Su-30KN modernization package,  as Su-30KN and Su-27UBM were cancelled in 2003 and Irkut decide to not continue with this program, but went on Su-30MKI program. Irkut deliver Su-30KN package to Baranovichi aviation plant in Belarus, which similarly as Gefest install this modernization package to Su-27/30, MiG-29, Su-25 and Su-22 with similar capabilities. Could be, that Gefest got this package as well, as it was no more in use by Irkut and was free for other users. After all Su-30KN was made as low cost multirole fighter for RuAF needs in that time, which have to be as capable as possible and as cheap as possible, but was still cancelled because of money shortage. If Gefest got Su-30KN package in their hands, than a speed of Su-33 upgrade is not a surprize and this package includes radar upgrade to become multirole fighter. Distance of 300 km on Su-33 display shows, that Radar is upgraded as basic N001 from old Su-33 doesn't have such range. Acording to info from Baranovichi, upgraded radar have range against ground targets 150 km and against naval targets 350 km. This could be well seen on Su-33 display, where max distance was limited to 300 km, but other distances are standard as with Su-24M.

    http://www.558arp.by/en/products-and-services-eng/services-eng/modernization-aviation-materiel-eng/su-27-30-aircraft-eng

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    Obviously, Gefest & T is direct competitor of Knaapo & Irkut in modernization projects of Su-24M, Su-25, Su-27, Su-33, etc so they (Knaapo & Irkut) will not collaborate with Gefest & T without requirement from Russian MOD.

    In case of Su-33s modernization, they have been upgraded by Knaapo so besides SVP-24-33 package, the rest are more likely to Su-27SM/SM3, that also have been done by Knaapo too. Sofar, the Su-33s have got modernization as follows:

    - In early of 2000': SLEP, replaced old RWR by new L-150 Pastel, installed the gps/glonass navigation system A-737 that shows the information through the knee EKP-NT MFD.

    - 2016-2017: SVP-24-33 Gefest & T.

    - 2017-2018: New or upgraded WCS & FCS that includes the upgraded N-001VP1 radar, (may be) new IRST, new air to surface, air to sea and air to air weapons.

    - 2019-2020 (est.): New engines that have been re-produced since middle of last year and in state testing. New engines will be added lastest development of AL-31F engine family, have special thrust modes to help Su-33s take off from desk with full loads (can not do now) and do special maneuvers in cases of emergency.
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    Post  medo on Wed Jan 03, 2018 4:19 pm

    kopyo-21 wrote:
    medo wrote:It seems SVP-24 is not just ballistic computing subsystem but a full fire control complex. I wonder, how much influence in SVP-24 have Su-30KN modernization package,  as Su-30KN and Su-27UBM were cancelled in 2003 and Irkut decide to not continue with this program, but went on Su-30MKI program. Irkut deliver Su-30KN package to Baranovichi aviation plant in Belarus, which similarly as Gefest install this modernization package to Su-27/30, MiG-29, Su-25 and Su-22 with similar capabilities. Could be, that Gefest got this package as well, as it was no more in use by Irkut and was free for other users. After all Su-30KN was made as low cost multirole fighter for RuAF needs in that time, which have to be as capable as possible and as cheap as possible, but was still cancelled because of money shortage. If Gefest got Su-30KN package in their hands, than a speed of Su-33 upgrade is not a surprize and this package includes radar upgrade to become multirole fighter. Distance of 300 km on Su-33 display shows, that Radar is upgraded as basic N001 from old Su-33 doesn't have such range. Acording to info from Baranovichi, upgraded radar have range against ground targets 150 km and against naval targets 350 km. This could be well seen on Su-33 display, where max distance was limited to 300 km, but other distances are standard as with Su-24M.

    http://www.558arp.by/en/products-and-services-eng/services-eng/modernization-aviation-materiel-eng/su-27-30-aircraft-eng

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    Obviously, Gefest & T is direct competitor of Knaapo & Irkut in modernization projects of Su-24M, Su-25, Su-27, Su-33, etc so they (Knaapo & Irkut) will not collaborate with Gefest & T without requirement from Russian MOD.

    In case of Su-33s modernization, they have been upgraded by Knaapo so besides SVP-24-33 package, the rest are more likely to Su-27SM/SM3, that also have been done by Knaapo too. Sofar, the Su-33s have got modernization as follows:

    - In early of 2000': SLEP, replaced old RWR by new L-150 Pastel, installed the gps/glonass navigation system A-737 that shows the information through the knee EKP-NT MFD.

    - 2016-2017: SVP-24-33 Gefest & T.

    - 2017-2018: New or upgraded WCS & FCS that includes the upgraded N-001VP1 radar, (may be) new IRST, new air to surface, air to sea and air to air weapons.

    - 2019-2020 (est.): New engines that have been re-produced since middle of last year and in state testing. New engines will be added lastest development of AL-31F engine family, have special thrust modes to help Su-33s take off from desk with full loads (can not do now) and do special maneuvers in cases of emergency.

    Gefest & T is not a competitor to Irkut in modernization projects, because Irkut decided to stop with modernization projects when Su-30KN was canceled and delivered this Su-30KN package to ARZ Baranovichi in Belarus. Irkut now produce only new planes and is out from modernisation business. Su-30KN radar upgrade is free for Gefest to use it and it is similar to N001VEP. Actually it use the same Baguet-55 processor as N001VEP, so those electronic blocs are not reserved only fo KNAAPO. Gefest made very quick modernization of Su-33, which work well in Syria although they didn't modernize any fighter before. I didn't see a problem to take components from Su-30KN modernization package, which was tested and operational and add some of their own from SVP-24 and build them in Su-33 as SVP-24-33. After all distance of 300 km in Su-33 display show it is calibrated to 300 km radar range, so radar have to be upgraded to N001VEP level to get that range. KNAAPO have their own Su-27SM modernization package, but they have nothing with Su-30KN package, so they could not prevent Gefest to use components from Su-30KN package.

    It seems RuNAVY still more like Su-33 than MiG-29K as they will not order any additional MiG-29K, but will fully modernize their Su-33 jets and produce new engines for them. After all modernized Su-33 is no worse than MiG-29K. They have similar agility and same +8g limitation because of folding wings. Su-33 have full data link communication capabilities with IFDL from the beginning. N001VEP radar is actually more capable than Zhuk-M in MiG-29K as it have longer range and both can track 10 targets and engage 4 targets simultaneously. Su-33 have longer range, have more hardpoints and carry heavier armament load.
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    Post  kopyo-21 on Fri Jan 05, 2018 5:39 am

    Knaapo is the main contractor of Su-33 modernization while Gefest & T is just sup-contractor for SVP-24-33 complex so it is not common sense to talk about Gefest & T would corporate with Irkut to upgrade Su-33s. Another thing, Su-33 is more likely to Su-27. They all are one seat fighter so using the Su-27SM/SM3 solution with expertise of Knaapo to apply for Su-33 is much more logical than using Su-30KN's of irkut.

    N-001VEP & N-001VEP1 are radar versions for export for Su-30mk2 and Su-33K (export to China) in respectively. The domestic versions called N-001VP and N-001VP1.
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    Post  medo on Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:47 pm

    KNAAPO was contracted for general overhaul and small modernization of Su-33, which it did. Gefest modernization is another contract with Russian MoD and KNAAPO have nothing with it. Su-27SM and Su-30KN are two quite similar modernization packages. It's true, that KNAAPO modernize only single seaters to Su-27SM/SM3, but Su-30KN was used in both single and twin seater Su-27S and Su-27UB. Baranovichi ARZ use Su-30KN modernization package to modernize both Su-27S and Su-27UB jets for Belarus and Kazakhstan air forces to Su-27M2 and Su-27UBM2. So there is no problem to use Su-30KN package for Su-33. For Gefest Su-30KN components are only logical solution as Irkut is out of modernization business and it is free to use and on the other side Su-27SM package could be used only by KNAAPO as it is still in this business. Su-30KN package is well tested and operational in Kazakhstan with Su-27M2 and Su-27UBM2 and in Angola with Su-30KN, while Belarus retired their Su-27 jets. No need to reinvent a wheel, just use what works well and is not expensive.
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    Post  kopyo-21 on Fri Jan 05, 2018 5:48 pm

    You are wrong Medo.

    Don't forget that Knaapo is the manufacturer of Su-33s so only it has full capability to access and modernize Su-33s. Sofar, Knaapo still is the main contractor for Su-33s modernization. It is still upgrading all Su-33s, adding new combat systems (Upgraded N001VP1, new IRST, new cockpit, new/upgraded WCS, ECM, etc) and new waepons for them to deal with both land and sea targets. There is no anything left so talking Gefest & T should/would corporate with Irkut to upgrade Su-33s is non sense and unreal.

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