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    Post  George1 on Tue May 19, 2015 1:48 pm

    Russia to send expeditions to mysterious Yamal hole in summer

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    The opening, some 60 metres in diametre and at least 200 metres deep, was first spotted by helicopter pilots in July 2014, close to the Bovanenkovo oil field

    YEKATERINBURG, May 18. /TASS/. Russian scientists will carry out complex research this summer to explore a giant hole in permafrost discovered last year on the Yamal peninsula of northwest Siberia, Arctic Exploration Centre head Vladimir Pushkarev said on Monday.

    "Several groups of scientists are planning a series of expeditions to the huge Yamal hole," Pushkarev told TASS, adding that the missions would take place in July, August and September.

    Most samples taken from the bottom of the hole last year have already been studied. "The version that the hole has a natural origin is currently a priority," Pushkarev said.

    The opening, some 60 metres in diametre and at least 200 metres deep, was first spotted by helicopter pilots in July 2014, close to the Bovanenkovo oil field. Explanations of the crater's origin range from meteorites to aliens.

    But Academician Valery Melnikov told TASS in November that the hole appeared due to climate change and subsequent release of sub-surface gas trapped in the permafrost.
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    Post  Regular on Thu May 28, 2015 11:24 pm


    Meh, Aliens
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    Post  kvs on Sat May 30, 2015 5:10 pm

    Regular wrote:
    Meh, Aliens

    It's an outer atmosphere rocket probe. You can see the cut out of one set of engines which stops the formation
    of the outer part of the exhaust halo. This probe has many engines and they point at rather significant angles away
    from the flight axis. This gives the multiple gas trails which blend into a single halo.

    This is clearly a man made object. I guess Uncle Sam is not the only one working on prompt global strike devices.
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    Post  George1 on Sat Jun 27, 2015 10:55 am

    Gigantic Black Hole Wakes Up After 26-Year Sleep
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:46 pm

    George1 wrote:Gigantic Black Hole Wakes Up After 26-Year Sleep

    ???

    Seems odd that it would sleep... perhaps it was pointing side on to is companion and so the material being sucked in created gamma ray energy that was directed away from us and we just did not pick it up....
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    Post  George1 on Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:29 am

    NASA Hints It's Found Another Earth
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Sun Jul 26, 2015 4:42 am

    George1 wrote:Russia to send expeditions to mysterious Yamal hole in summer

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    The opening, some 60 metres in diametre and at least 200 metres deep, was first spotted by helicopter pilots in July 2014, close to the Bovanenkovo oil field

    YEKATERINBURG, May 18. /TASS/. Russian scientists will carry out complex research this summer to explore a giant hole in permafrost discovered last year on the Yamal peninsula of northwest Siberia, Arctic Exploration Centre head Vladimir Pushkarev said on Monday.

    "Several groups of scientists are planning a series of expeditions to the huge Yamal hole," Pushkarev told TASS, adding that the missions would take place in July, August and September.

    Most samples taken from the bottom of the hole last year have already been studied. "The version that the hole has a natural origin is currently a priority," Pushkarev said.

    The opening, some 60 metres in diametre and at least 200 metres deep, was first spotted by helicopter pilots in July 2014, close to the Bovanenkovo oil field. Explanations of the crater's origin range from meteorites to aliens.

    But Academician Valery Melnikov told TASS in November that the hole appeared due to climate change and subsequent release of sub-surface gas trapped in the permafrost.

    I wonder if this is just a big sinkhole, from oil field drilling> We have some big sinkholes in Texas from drilling.
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    Post  kvs on Sun Jul 26, 2015 5:08 am

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:
    George1 wrote:Russia to send expeditions to mysterious Yamal hole in summer

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    The opening, some 60 metres in diametre and at least 200 metres deep, was first spotted by helicopter pilots in July 2014, close to the Bovanenkovo oil field

    YEKATERINBURG, May 18. /TASS/. Russian scientists will carry out complex research this summer to explore a giant hole in permafrost discovered last year on the Yamal peninsula of northwest Siberia, Arctic Exploration Centre head Vladimir Pushkarev said on Monday.

    "Several groups of scientists are planning a series of expeditions to the huge Yamal hole," Pushkarev told TASS, adding that the missions would take place in July, August and September.

    Most samples taken from the bottom of the hole last year have already been studied. "The version that the hole has a natural origin is currently a priority," Pushkarev said.

    The opening, some 60 metres in diametre and at least 200 metres deep, was first spotted by helicopter pilots in July 2014, close to the Bovanenkovo oil field. Explanations of the crater's origin range from meteorites to aliens.

    But Academician Valery Melnikov told TASS in November that the hole appeared due to climate change and subsequent release of sub-surface gas trapped in the permafrost.

    I wonder if this is just a big sinkhole, from oil field drilling> We have some big sinkholes in Texas from drilling.

    In this case it is a natural phenomenon. The Yamal has natural gas slowly seeping to the surface over long periods of time. This gas
    forms methane hydrates in the permafrost zone. Methane hydrates are unstable and the recent warming in the region has caused them
    to dissociate explosively (no actual fire, just release of CH4 and a massive volume expansion) in several locations. Around this particular
    crater you could see a ring of debris which was ejected from the interior.

    There was no drilling activity in this particular area, but previous drilling has encountered methane hydrates. This has
    produced blowouts in the past. There has been some confusion that these holes are a type of pingo, but this is clearly
    not the case.

    http://www.coolgeography.co.uk/A-level/AQA/Year%2012/Cold%20environs/Periglaciation/Periglacial%20landforms.htm
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jul 26, 2015 9:59 am

    I heard they were methane eruptions, and also that while plenty planned to go and explore them they are now filled with water... which will make exploration much more difficult.
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    Post  kvs on Sun Jul 26, 2015 8:30 pm

    GarryB wrote:I heard they were methane eruptions, and also that while plenty planned to go and explore them they are now filled with water... which will make exploration much more difficult.

    Dissociating clathrates (methane hydrates) release a huge amount of methane.

    One litre of fully saturated methane clathrate solid would ... contain about 120 grams of methane (or around 169 litres of methane gas at 0 °C and 1 atm)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane_clathrate

    People haven't been around to observe these events directly so it is not known if there is any spontaneous combustion. The
    concentration of CH4 released is the fuel-air explosive range so a spark from something (e.g. electrostatic discharge) could
    produce a rather huge explosion. But there is enough CH4 pressure to produce these holes without detonation.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jul 27, 2015 12:27 pm

    That is a shtload of methane... and methane is 20 times more potent a greenhouse gas than CO2... it degrades over time in the atmosphere... into CO2.

    I remember reading an article that talked about tipping points... rather than gradual changes in temperature once a specific temperature is reached large storages of methane and other gases are released... which accelerates the process of temperature change... in the deltas of most rivers around the world there is rotting vegetation that has been washed down the river and into the sea and has sunk to the bottom and become trapped where it continues to rot and form material like limestone and other materials full of methane and CO2. Warming temperatures means such reservoirs are released, which increases warming and leads to more releases...
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Mon Jul 27, 2015 7:20 pm

    Sergey Ananov, Russian helicopter pilot missing in Davis Strait, found alive
    Canadian Forces JRCC tweets pilot on world flight was found on floe after leaving Iqaluit

    CBC News Posted: Jul 27, 2015 7:16 AM AT Last Updated: Jul 27, 2015 12:51 PM AT

    Pretty neat story.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/sergey-ananov-russian-helicopter-pilot-missing-in-davis-strait-found-alive-1.3168690?cmp=rss

    A Russian helicopter pilot who went missing during the Iqaluit-to-Greenland portion of a trip around the world was down to his last flare when he was found on a floe in the Davis Strait this morning.

    Sergey Ananov, who left Moscow in mid-June, was travelling to Greenland in a Robinson R-22 helicopter after fuelling up in Iqaluit when the Canadian Forces Joint Rescue Co-ordination Centre received information about a missing helicopter Saturday morning.
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    Russian pilot Sergey Ananov was attempting to fly around the world, after leaving Moscow in mid-June, but went missing on the weekend during the Iqaluit-to-Greenland portion. He was found on an ice floe in Davis Strait, Joint Task Force Atlantic tweeted early Monday. (John Van Dusen/CBC News)

    "It couldn't have been a more austere area of the planet to be in the Davis Strait between Baffin Island and Greenland. It's a pretty rough terrain, a lot of ice in it," said Rear Admiral John Newton.
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    Post  Werewolf on Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:30 pm

    Bad decision to buy Robinson helicopters, they are among the least reliable and among most prone to malfunctions and crashes.

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:53 am

    Werewolf wrote:Bad decision to buy Robinson helicopters, they are among the least reliable and among most prone to malfunctions and crashes.


    X2.

    Every time there is a helicopter crash, it "involves" a Robinson unless proven otherwise.
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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:06 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:Bad decision to buy Robinson helicopters, they are among the least reliable and among most prone to malfunctions and crashes.


    X2.

    Every time there is a helicopter crash, it "involves" a Robinson unless proven otherwise.

    The among two highest crash rates are among Robinson R-22/44 or AS350 Eurocopter.

    Robbinson have a very high tendency for mast bumping which is a bad designed helicopter to reduce the costs for this civilian purposed helicopter for private customers with low budgets.

    similiar bad designs we could see on old UH-1 and AH-1 with the very lose rotorhead which were prone for mast bumping, several occassians were mast bumping would be so severe that rotors would snap into tail or cockpit. AH-1Z has a very good rotor arrangement and has increased not only survivability and safety but also performance and maximized limits of how the it can behave in hard pullings.
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    Post  kvs on Fri Aug 21, 2015 3:47 am

    http://www.nature.com/news/giant-virus-resurrected-from-30-000-year-old-ice-1.14801

    Giant virus resurrected from 30,000-year-old ice

    Largest virus yet discovered hints at viral diversity trapped in permafrost.

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    People were worried about bringing alien pathogens from any Mars sample return mission. We are releasing
    "new" viral species from the permafrost.
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    Post  sepheronx on Fri Aug 21, 2015 3:59 am



    Dear god. Did it spread too far? Wilfred Brimley was right in what he was supposed to do.
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    Post  kvs on Fri Aug 21, 2015 4:07 am

    This one is a specialist and attacks amoeba. But the key thing is that there are virus variants that have "disappeared" from
    active life trapped in the permafrost. What if there is some nasty virus that targets mammals? This possibility is actually
    more likely than unlikely. Just as with the influenza pandemic of 1918, it is the incremental DNA/RNA difference from that sampled
    by humans via yearly infections that is bad news. Some flu species trapped in the ice could bring a disaster.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Aug 21, 2015 4:30 am

    kvs wrote:This one is a specialist and attacks amoeba.   But the key thing is that there are virus variants that have "disappeared" from
    active life trapped in the permafrost.   What if there is some nasty virus that targets mammals?    This possibility is actually
    more likely than unlikely.   Just as with the influenza pandemic of 1918, it is the incremental DNA/RNA difference from that sampled
    by humans via yearly infections that is bad news.   Some flu species trapped in the ice could bring a disaster.

    There's already infectious diseases killing millions of people a year, a lot of them easily preventable...just like millions of starvation deaths a year, but so long as their mostly contained in the non-Western world, you won't actually see in any real progress. The West prefers to make an entity like USAID into a regime change operation, instead of actually being used for it's intended purpose.
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    Post  kvs on Fri Aug 21, 2015 4:56 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    kvs wrote:This one is a specialist and attacks amoeba.   But the key thing is that there are virus variants that have "disappeared" from
    active life trapped in the permafrost.   What if there is some nasty virus that targets mammals?    This possibility is actually
    more likely than unlikely.   Just as with the influenza pandemic of 1918, it is the incremental DNA/RNA difference from that sampled
    by humans via yearly infections that is bad news.   Some flu species trapped in the ice could bring a disaster.

    There's already infectious diseases killing millions of people a year, a lot of them easily preventable...just like millions of starvation deaths a year, but so long as their mostly contained in the non-Western world, you won't actually see in any real progress. The West prefers to make an entity like USAID into a regime change operation, instead of actually being used for it's intended purpose.

    But most of these deaths are not due to the virulence of the disease.

    The fact is that little has changed from the days of fiefs extracting their wealth on the backs of their serfs. The
    system got more fancy at obscuring the links, but to have rich people you need millions of poor. Yeah, I know, this
    is blasphemy. But most of the colonies remained colonies after their "liberation" and that is where the millions of
    starving and disease afflicted poor are. The only reason there were colonies in the first place was because the elites
    wanted more money.
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    Post  George1 on Fri Sep 18, 2015 12:53 am

    Enormous, Mysterious Sea Found Under China Desert

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    Scientists have discovered a huge underground waterbody in China’s northwest Xinjiang province, Discovery website reported.

    The giant water reservoir was discovered in the Tarim Basin. The basin located in China’s northwestern Xinjiang province, which covers about 350,000 square miles, is one of the driest places in China.

    The area of the water reservoir is roughly the size of Egypt. The scientists actually made the discovery while investigating carbon dioxide absorption by the region.

    According to Professor Li Yan of the Xinjiang Institute of Ecology and Geography, the water in the underground reservoir could be much more than scientists estimate. The water itself is too salty therefore it cannot be used in households.

    “A 2014 study in Nature Climate Change, which found that the Mojave Desert acts as a carbon sink, suggested that the world’s deserts might play a role similar to oceans and forests in soaking up and storing some of the excess carbon emissions from human activity,” Discovery reported.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/art_living/20150916/1027098155/china-desert-sea-scientist-discovery.html#ixzz3m2UMR9P3
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    Post  George1 on Tue Sep 29, 2015 8:36 am

    Solar System Rocked by Discovery of Water on Mars

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/news/20150929/1027684798.html#ixzz3n6giGeLw
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    Post  George1 on Tue Oct 04, 2016 4:20 am

    Measuring a whopping 42 inches across, an ancient dinosaur footprint has been found in the Gobi Desert.

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/science/20161001/1045892013/titanosaur-footprint-mongolia.html
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    Post  George1 on Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:18 am

    Meteorite burns up over north Russia

    More:
    http://tass.com/science/924039

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