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    French Defence Industry Projects

    Post  medo on Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:48 pm

    http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/2012/09/blog-post_4079.html

    France think to build similar vehicle to BMPT from Leclerc tank named Leclerc T40.
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    Re: French Defence Industry Projects

    Post  GarryB on Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:43 am

    I used to buy RAIDS magazine, when they published an english edition.

    It was a very good magazine with lots of good articles and big glossy pictures.

    It had a much wider variety of countries units in it than the British magazines did, which made them rather more interesting.

    This french vehicle however is not a BMPT, it is just the IFV version of armata without the troop transport capacity.

    Perhaps the idea that this could be a BMPT equivalent in fact shows the BMPT is actually unnecessary with IFVs and AD vehicles with tank level armour, plus of course tube and rocket artillery vehicles with tank level armour too.


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    Re: French Defence Industry Projects

    Post  medo on Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:03 pm

    Perhaps the idea that this could be a BMPT equivalent in fact shows the BMPT is actually unnecessary with IFVs and AD vehicles with tank level armour, plus of course tube and rocket artillery vehicles with tank level armour too.

    I think at the end we will come to a conclusion, that BMPT is nothing more than just AD vehicles replacement in ground battles with tank level armor and without expensive AD equipment like radars and computers. Tank level IFV and APC could be developed from BMO-T or later Armata platform and get vehicle like Israeli Namer. When France and Israel accept such idea, than it is not bad one, it just have to be developed further and integrated in concept of ground forces.
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    Re: French Defence Industry Projects

    Post  Zivo on Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:15 pm

    I have a feeling the T40 was just a demonstrated application of that modular 40mm weapon system they produced, whatever that was called. Which is probably why it never entered service.
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    France think to build similar vehicle to BMPT from Leclerc tank named Leclerc T40.

    Post  GarryB on Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:54 am

    I think at the end we will come to a conclusion, that BMPT is nothing more than just AD vehicles replacement in ground battles with tank level armor and without expensive AD equipment like radars and computers.

    I think at the end of the day a BMPT is basically a firepower vehicle (like a tank but not optimised to engage heavy armour) that combines the armament of the Shilka and the BMP-3, though it doesn't need to engage aerial targets and it doesn't need to transport troops.

    I think that the move by Russia to the new vehicle families has changed everything, and that the fact that all the heavy brigade vehicles will be tank level armour and mobility and heavy firepower means a BMPT is probably no longer needed or critical.

    I do however think its focus on engaging enemy soft forces would still make it an excellent compliment for tank units, and when there is no or low threat of enemy armour I think it would probably actually be more suitable for supporting infantry than a tank, because in the armata BMPT model shown with the rifled 120mm gun it has all the firepower needed to engage the entire range of ground targets except the enemy tank that a tank could engage, yet it offers cheaper ammo and better elevation options and would be a real compliment to the armata IFVs that are transporting the infantry with their 45mm guns. I would also expect they would make excellent convoy security vehicles because I know the Vulcan was ideal in that role with its 20mm cannon, so the 23mm cannon whose projectiles are much heavier should do an even better job.

    For COIN operations or in Afghanistan it would be the ideal tank substitute.

    Imagine driving on the valley floor down a road and all of a sudden someone opens fire with an RPG-7 from above you on a ridge line. In a T-90 or Abrams your gun wont elevate that high so the T-90 commander will line up the target with his Kord and fire at the enemy position. The tank commander might order the loader to man the 50 cal. The armata BMPT could elevate its 23mm cannon and cover the area the rocket came from in HE shells in a single short burst of 10-20 rounds... at a cyclic rate of 200 rounds per minute it would be a short brrp a tenth of a second long... followed by 10-20 explosions over a tenth of a second as they impact.

    Of course with the sensors and optics on the vehicles they might have spotted the optics of the RPG-7 being aimed at them with a laser flash dazzling the optics... blinding that muj fighter, whose mates around him are wondering why he put the RPG-7 down and is holding his eye instead of firing... seconds later 20 23mm shells impact the ground around them...

    @Zivo, the fact that they have no photos of the T40, and just have drawings suggests to me that this might be advertising from the makers of the 40mm gun.

    Such a vehicle would be expensive as it would be near tank costs, so you would need something to make it cheaper.

    The Russians are going for reduced logistics tails with standardised vehicle families, which reduces support and maintainence and training costs.

    You can also control costs by limiting the number of heavy brigades you have too... as has been announced most of the Russian army units will be wheeled, which should greatly reduce purchase and operational costs and increase mobility.


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    Re: French Defence Industry Projects

    Post  George1 on Thu Mar 17, 2016 9:44 am

    Nexter Company plans to resume the production of the tank Leclerc and leads research on future tanks

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:14 pm

    A little word on the future AMX... according clutter.

    It will be based on a automated turret with crew protrusion, the calibre will be 120mm/L60. It will fire MP rounds, it will have a dedicated OFL and the crew will be in the hull.

    Weight is expected to be the same as current AMX56.

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    Re: French Defence Industry Projects

    Post  George1 on Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:24 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:A little word on the future AMX... according clutter.

    It will be based on a automated turret with crew protrusion, the calibre will be 120mm/L60. It will fire MP rounds, it will have a dedicated OFL and the crew will be in the hull.

    Weight is expected to be the same as current AMX56.



    AMX56 will be the new generation MBT ??


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    Re: French Defence Industry Projects

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:38 pm

    George1 wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:A little word on the future AMX... according clutter.

    It will be based on a automated turret with crew protrusion, the calibre will be 120mm/L60. It will fire MP rounds, it will have a dedicated OFL and the crew will be in the hull.

    Weight is expected to be the same as current AMX56.



    AMX56 will be the new generation MBT ??

    Nope, AMX is a manned turret. Has a L52 120mm gun and is still a command turret.

    Reorganizing the internal volume of the tank will actually allow for the tank to have a a fully external ammunition load. There's simply no money to restart Cold war programs. So they have to do with what they have. France isn't the US. With all due respect.
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    Re: French Defence Industry Projects

    Post  Militarov on Fri May 06, 2016 4:43 pm

    "France  will show a life size model of the Leclerc XLR Main Battle Tank at Eurosatory 2016 from 13 to 17 June 2016 in Paris, reported by forcesoperations.com.

    The Leclerc XLR    is a moderate variation of the Leclerc Main Battle Tank, built by GIAT Industries.  This “Scorpionisation” provides for the delivery of 200 Leclerc XLR tanks and 18 Leclerc recovery vehicles (known by their French acronym DCL) between 2020 and 2028. This should allow the Leclerc to remain operational beyond 2040.

    The €330m contract was logically awarded in March 2015 to its original manufacturer, Nexter Systems, said the head of the Leclerc upgrade contract for the French systems integrator. It has three main objectives: to integrate the Leclerc into the “Scorpion bubble”, adapt it for operations in urban environments, and improve its ability to attack. The first two prototypes will be delivered in 2018 and will be directly followed by the notification of production tranches.

    Destined to operate in a joint tactical “Scorpion” group, the Leclerc will get new open vetronics architecture, the CONTACT radio being developed by Thales and the future Scorpion information and communication system (SICS) provided by Atos."


    Source: http://defence-blog.com/army/france-will-show-a-new-upgraded-leclerc-xlr-at-eurosatory-2016.html
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Feb 28, 2017 2:45 pm

    Check this one.

    Look at the entries on this mock up. Only two visible, one on hull the other on turret. The third entry point has been blocked by the SAGEM Gunner sight funnel.



    And now the XLR as it stands now:




    There's a RWC on the gunner's entry point. It's happening. The crew's about to go deep.
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    Re: French Defence Industry Projects

    Post  Militarov on Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:58 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:Check this one.

    Look at the entries on this mock up. Only two visible, one on hull the other on turret. The third entry point has been blocked by the SAGEM Gunner sight funnel.



    And now the XLR as it stands now:




    There's a RWC on the gunner's entry point. It's happening. The crew's about to go deep.

    Interesting. But, that SAGEM GS looks epic O.o
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    Re: French Defence Industry Projects

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Mar 02, 2017 3:01 am

    Militarov wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:Check this one.

    Look at the entries on this mock up. Only two visible, one on hull the other on turret. The third entry point has been blocked by the SAGEM Gunner sight funnel.



    And now the XLR as it stands now:




    There's a RWC on the gunner's entry point. It's happening. The crew's about to go deep.

    Interesting. But, that SAGEM GS looks epic O.o

    The GS is a x80 power electronic zoom. Basically you can aim at the qualifying range (1500+) as it is 20m at naked eye. Second tank after Black Panther to break the x50 electronic threshold.
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    Post  Militarov on Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:07 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:The GS is a x80 power electronic zoom. Basically you can aim at the qualifying range (1500+) as it is 20m at naked eye. Second tank after Black Panther to break the x50 electronic threshold.

    It looks impressive on the outside too. I did not know about it till now. Is it still in development?
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:08 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:The GS is a x80 power electronic zoom. Basically you can aim at the qualifying range (1500+) as it is 20m at naked eye. Second tank after Black Panther to break the x50 electronic threshold.

    It looks impressive on the outside too. I did not know about it till now. Is it still in development?

    The Sagem Sagittaire/Skorpion sight has been developped for the APC initially. Then because of the capability gap between Skorpion APC it was decided it would be introduced on the AMX56 XLR. A variant of the Sagittaire has been tested with UAE and French Cavalry.



    Full Single Channel multimode. One cell.

    Old SAGEM sight, Bimodal.

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    Re: French Defence Industry Projects

    Post  Isos on Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:23 am

    http://www.opex360.com/2017/07/13/la-france-et-lallemagne-vont-developper-un-avion-de-combat-commun/

    France and Germany to build futur fighter togather. Bad news when we see what happened to the A-400M ...
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Jul 15, 2017 4:08 am

    Isos wrote:

    France and Germany to build futur fighter togather. Bad news when we see what happened to the A-400M ...

    If the A400M which is being mass produced and inducted into AFs all over the world what does that make the An-70 with $5 billion wasted? Airbus sucked up most of the cost overruns so the Euro governments are not that bad off. PAK FA is underfunded because India will not pay out without full ToT disclosures. To engage in 5th gen fighter programmes costs too much for single budgets.


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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:31 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    Isos wrote:

    France and Germany to build futur fighter togather. Bad news when we see what happened to the A-400M ...

    If the A400M which is being mass produced and inducted into AFs all over the world what does that make the An-70 with $5 billion wasted?  Airbus sucked up most of the cost overruns so the Euro governments are not that bad off.  PAK FA is underfunded because India will not pay out without full ToT disclosures.  To engage in 5th gen fighter programmes costs too much for single budgets.  

    India has nothing to do with PAK FA.  This is a factual misconception.  You mean FGFA.  PAK FA was not an option for India other than "if you want it, you buy it on our terms".  Something India didn't initially want to do, but are doing now.

    On Contrary, PAK FA is well funded hence why they have been churning out some decent numbers for testing purposes and have already come near completion.

    This is more like the Eurofighter Typhoon, which ended up as a semi decent but heavily expensive jet.
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    Post  Isos on Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:48 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    Isos wrote:

    France and Germany to build futur fighter togather. Bad news when we see what happened to the A-400M ...

    If the A400M which is being mass produced and inducted into AFs all over the world what does that make the An-70 with $5 billion wasted?  Airbus sucked up most of the cost overruns so the Euro governments are not that bad off.  PAK FA is underfunded because India will not pay out without full ToT disclosures.  To engage in 5th gen fighter programmes costs too much for single budgets.  

    Chek the news. Germany wants money back and even wants to buy US cargo planes. Not a reliable plane till today.

    The An-70 is the same as the A-400M (actually european copied it) if not better and 3 times cheaper. The fact that many countries are buying A-400M is like why so much are buying stupid F-35 that isn't even finish is because of political pressure, nothing to do with technology.

    Moreover it's more Ukrainian than Russian. Russian investment in it will be again invested in their own planes.

    Funny how Egypt choosed Mig-35 and Rafale instead of just F-16. They knew US would hold them by their balls if they are dependent just on them. Idem for all other Arab countries that are opening their eyes and seing that US hold them exactly this way. And Japan too. Buyers are slowly trying to stop this "political influence" and Russia will have more to sell if they do things correctly.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:29 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Chek the news. Germany wants money back and even wants to buy US cargo planes. Not a reliable plane till today.

    The An-70 is the same as the A-400M (actually european copied it) if not better and 3 times cheaper. The fact that many countries are buying A-400M is like why so much are buying stupid F-35 that isn't even finish is because of political pressure, nothing to do with technology.

    Moreover it's more Ukrainian than Russian. Russian investment in it will be again invested in their own planes.

    Funny how Egypt choosed Mig-35 and Rafale instead of just F-16. They knew US would hold them by their balls if they are dependent just on them. Idem for all other Arab countries that are opening their eyes and seing that US hold them exactly this way. And Japan too. Buyers are slowly trying to stop this "political influence" and Russia will have more to sell if they do things correctly.

    The French have said they have no problem with the use of their A400Ms. Germany has withheld payment and not received contracted maintenance schedules so as usual their aircraft are down, just like their Eurofighters were a few years ago. That is the price of being cheap.

    The An-70 started development during the Soviet and had several payments made from our side. We are out billions without this transporter.

    Egypt is getting MiG-29M2, not MiG-35. They chose France as their premiere defence supplier because they do not have to meet humanitarian concerns using the equipment.


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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:53 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:

    India has nothing to do with PAK FA.  This is a factual misconception.  You mean FGFA.  PAK FA was not an option for India other than "if you want it, you buy it on our terms".  Something India didn't initially want to do, but are doing now.

    On Contrary, PAK FA is well funded hence why they have been churning out some decent numbers for testing purposes and have already come near completion.

    This is more like the Eurofighter Typhoon, which ended up as a semi decent but heavily expensive jet.

    PAK FA has never been well funded which is why we seek India to complete it as a joint project. We do not have the budget to build 5th generation by ourselves. The project is nowhere near to completion. The next gen engines are nowhere on the horizon, the radar is not performing to specs and the gaps of the production skin is not tight enough to be considered of the 5th generation. We require billions of investment in engines, radar and stealth tolerances that are not met.


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    Re: French Defence Industry Projects

    Post  George1 on Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:21 am

    New light armored car Scarabee from Arquus

    At the international defense exhibition Eurosatory 2018 taking place in Paris from 11 to 14 June 2018, the French defense company Arquus (formerly Renault Truck Defense, part of the Volvo group) for the first time presented information on its developed light armored car Scarabee with a 4x4 wheel arrangement. Arquus said that it is already conducting factory tests of the first prototype prototype built by Scarabee.



    This machine is designed to replace, first of all, the well-known light armored vehicles of the Panhard VBL family that are in the arsenal of the French army, and for the replacement of which the French Defense Ministry plans in the future to launch the VBAE (Véhicule blindé d'aide à l'engagement) program, which should become a part the second stage of the SCORPIO program. However, in any case, the purchase of vehicles under this program by the French army will probably not be earlier than 2025, so until that time Arquus is going to promote Scarabee to export markets.

    The characteristics of Scarabee are not disclosed, but it is claimed that the machine is equipped with a hybrid power plant with an electric drive. It is also reported that the machine can be equipped with the Arquus advanced lightweight remote-controlled combat module Hornet 30 with a 30-mm automatic gun.

    It is believed that another likely candidate in the VBAE program will be the Australian-promoted light armored vehicle Hawkei PMV, promoted by Thales.



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