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    Chinese-made SAM systems

    Post  SOC on Sun Oct 06, 2013 8:52 pm

    New HQ-9 radar, basically a 64N6E copy:  http://www.janes.com/article/27962/imagery-shows-new-hq-9-radar-at-chinese-sam-training-site
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    Post  Viktor on Mon Oct 07, 2013 2:11 am

    SOC wrote:New HQ-9 radar, basically a 64N6E copy:  http://www.janes.com/article/27962/imagery-shows-new-hq-9-radar-at-chinese-sam-training-site
    This one ? It could be licence copy?



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    Post  SOC on Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:26 am

    Yes, that's the one. I've also got it in imagery of a Chinese radar test site. Looks like a pretty obvious copy of the 64N6E, licensed or not. The current line of reasoning is that it's for the HQ-9 or groups of other Chinese-made SAM systems.
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    New HQ-9 radar, basically a 64N6E copy:

    Post  Viktor on Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:20 am

    SOC wrote:Yes, that's the one.  I've also got it in imagery of a Chinese radar test site.  Looks like a pretty obvious copy of the 64N6E, licensed or not. 
    China has the money and with it, it can buy more modern technology than it can develope. If Russia refused, China could turn to Ukraine and its modernization of 36D6. 

    Anyway I see no problem with selling older technology and Russia does it probably more than we suspect. After all huge portion of Rosoboronexport earnings is unaccountable. 

    SOC wrote: The current line of reasoning is that it's for the HQ-9 or groups of other Chinese-made SAM systems.
    Most likely. They will provide data to regimental SAM sets no matter what are they made off. 

    When S-400 comes to China than they can start scaning 91N6 Very Happy
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    Post  Viktor on Tue Jun 10, 2014 9:31 am

    Excellent overview of most of China air defences

    China's Home-Grown Hierarchical, Integrated Air-Defence System Solutions
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    Post  Viktor on Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:41 pm

    just great



    China Nebo radar alike  thumbsup



    FM-3000 great stuff

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    Post  George1 on Fri Feb 05, 2016 10:42 am

    HQ-12 as seen after the military parade held in Beijing on September 3, 2015 to commemorate 70 years since the end of WWII.



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    Max. target-flying speed: 750 m/s
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    42 km (Target speed: < 420m/s)
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    Re: Chinese-made SAM systems

    Post  George1 on Wed Jul 06, 2016 11:03 pm

    Revealed: Chinese Military’s Powerful New Anti-Air System

    NORINCO revealed its newest SWS2 anti-aircraft gun/surface-to-air defense system.




    One of the China's largest weapons manufacturers, North Industries Corporation (NORINCO) has unveiled its newest anti-aircraft gun/surface-to-air (SPAAG/SAM) system, the SWS2.

    The SWS2 is a combination of a 35mm revolver cannon and a block of four surface-to-air missiles, mounted on a remote-controlled turret that sits atop an 8x8 VN1 armored platform. The 23-ton vehicle is reportedly constructed using fully-welded light armor, providing protection from small arms fire and shell splinters.

    According to IHS Janes.com, the turret can rotate a full 360 degrees, with the 35mm cannon and the SAMs able to elevate from —2° to 85° and from —5° to 70°. The device will carry 400 rounds of high-explosive incendiary (HEI) 35 mm ammunition that can reach aircrafts flying at a distance of 4,000 meters and maximum altitude of 3,000 meters. The HEI ammunition, reportedly optimized for smaller targets such as drones, can also be fitted with tracer and semi-armor piercing capability.

    The SAMs range is not yet specified. It is likely that the vehicle will carry only one load of SAMs, making it dependent on resupply.

    According to reports, the machine is currently available for export.

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20160706/1042553212/Chinese-New-Anti-Air-System.html
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    Re: Chinese-made SAM systems

    Post  GarryB on Fri Jul 08, 2016 6:11 am

    Not that impressed I am afraid... the gun would be superior in range to a 30mm cannon, but I suspect without guided shells it would be rather less effective than a burst of 30m shells against most targets.

    the missiles look like MANPADS and therefore would also lack the range to be effective against most air threats including attack helos or drones.

    Needless to say a target helo like a Havoc or Hokum could hover at 6-7km range and destroy these vehicles with impunity now. In 5 years time with Hermes they will be able to hover at 15km or more range.

    Likely an armed drone with fairly simple beam riding missiles like Kornet could operate at high altitude and shoot down at such a vehicle.

    In the 1980s the Tunguska made sense as the 8km range missiles allowed standoff engagement capability with the cannon for use against targets of opportunity.

    Tunguska has moved on with longer ranged missiles, but will likely be replaced with a new gun as well which will further extend performance... a 57mm gun with perhaps 12km range reach and missiles able to engage targets out to 20-40km makes it a much more potent vehicle.

    In terms of engaging ground targets it also is far superior.

    This is just half a Gepard with four stingers ready to fire...

    Unless they are actually SA-22 like missiles... a second look suggests they are rather longer than most MANPADS, but only having four ready to fire missiles would be limiting.

    Of course the very first 2S6 had only four missiles, with the 2S6M doubling that to 8 missiles...
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    Re: Chinese-made SAM systems

    Post  George1 on Tue Aug 30, 2016 1:52 pm

    Arms Race: China’s New Missile Defense System to Defend Against US, South Korea

    With ongoing tensions in the South China Sea and on the Korean peninsula, Beijing has deemed its third-generation surface-to-air missile combat-ready.

    In the latest sign of a new arms race between the United States and China, Beijing’s Air Force has announced the completion of a new missile defense system.

    "Through innovation, ground-to-air defense troops are able to deal with far-range, medium-range and short-range missiles which can come in on high, medium and low altitudes," PLA Air Force spokesman Shen Jinke said in a statement released on China’s Defense Ministry website, according to the International Business Times.

    "The capability of China’s air defense and anti-missile systems has greatly improved in the information age we live in. Our ground-to-air forces are now a powerful force to safeguard China’s airspace sovereignty."

    In the South China Sea, Beijing and Washington are at odds over China’s construction of artificial islands in disputed maritime territory. While the US has accused China of attempting to establish an air defense zone, Beijing maintains it has every right to build within what it considers to be its own territory and that the island will be used primarily for civilian purposes.

    In light of the Pentagon’s continued "freedom of navigation" exercises through the region, the new missile system will ensure that China can defend against incoming projectiles in the event of an attack.

    Seoul’s plans to install a US-built Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) system in South Korea is also a point of contention for Beijing. Ostensibly aimed at defending against a North Korean attack, in light of Pyongyang’s recent ballistic missile tests, the THAAD platform’s range also threatens the national security of both China and Russia.

    "We will fully upgrade our strategic early warning, air strike, anti-aircraft and anti-missile, information countermeasure, air landing, strategic aerial delivery and comprehensive support," Shen added.

    Last week, a Bill Gertz op-ed in the Asia Times noted that China and the United States appear to both be increasing missile stockpiles at an alarming rate.

    "Beijing’s arsenal of ballistic and cruise missiles has been growing steadily for decades as new systems were fielded in an array of ranges – short, medium and intercontinental," Gertz writes.

    "Several long-range cruise missiles, capable of carrying nuclear or conventional payloads also are deployed."

    This buildup, according to some, will inevitably lead to conflict.

    "The problem is not whether the war will break out, but when," reads a report in China Military Online. "Our task is to develop the ‘trump card’ weapon for China before the war."

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/asia/20160829/1044753120/china-third-generation-defense-missile.html
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    Re: Chinese-made SAM systems

    Post  George1 on Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:15 pm

    China’s Surface-to-Air Defense Missiles Get Major Upgrade

    Beijing has created a state-of-the-art variant of its long-range HQ-16 surface-to-air missile.

    As part of a significant upgrade to the projectile, the China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation (CASIC) has given the HQ-16 an improved motor and upgraded wings. These improvements give the model, the HQ-16B, a greater range. While the original could strike targets roughly 25 miles away, the new variant can reach a distance of approximately 43 miles, according to sources speaking to IHS Jane’s.

    The original model, unveiled in 2011, was the result of a cooperative effort between China and Russia, and is similar to the 9M38E missiles. China has seen a rapid increase in military capabilities over the last few years. This has been partially driven by a need to defend against aggression from the US and it Pacific allies.

    "Beijing’s arsenal of ballistic and cruise missiles has been growing steadily for decades as new systems were fielded in an array of ranges – short, medium and intercontinental," Bill Gertz wrote in an op-ed for Asia Times.

    "Several long-range cruise missiles, capable of carrying nuclear or conventional payloads also are deployed." One principal concern is the United States’ plan to deploy a Terminal High-Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) missile defense system to the Korean peninsula. While ostensibly meant to deter North Korea, the system has a range that could allow it to strike the Chinese mainland.

    "To develop suitable capabilities of missile defense is necessary for China to maintain national security and improve defense capabilities," Chinese Defense Ministry spokesman Sr. Col. Yang Yujun told reporters in July.

    "It is not targeting any other country or target, nor is it jeopardizing the international strategic equilibrium."

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/20160908/1045074343/china-hq-16-missile-upgrade.html
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    Re: Chinese-made SAM systems

    Post  George1 on Fri Nov 04, 2016 11:45 pm

    Zhuhai-2016. New Chinese air defense equipment

    1. SAM HQ-9B - clone of the Russian S-300PMU2 "Favorit"



    2. SAM HQ-22



    3. SAM GAS2 (Sky Dragon 50)



    4. Anti-aircraft missile and gun system HQ-6A with a 7-barreled 30-mm anti-aircraft gun (Type 730)





    5. FB-10 short-range air defense missile system


    6. SAM FB-6C with MANPADS missiles from FN-16 Dongfeng


    7. The surface-to-air missile SD-10A



    8. TY-90

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    9. SAM FK-1000 to defeat a range of 22 km



    10. MANPADS QW-18


    11. MANPADS QW-19


    12. Ship-borne SAM FL-3000N (imitation SeaRAM)


    13. The surface-to-air missile SAM FM-3000



    14. MANPADS QW-12


    15. MANPADS QW-2


    16. SAM FL-2000C



    17. SAM FM-3000



    18. SAM FK-3



    19. FD-2000



    20. SAM FL-19




    21. SAM FK-1000



    22. SAM FY-80


    23. The ship's air defense system FY-80N


    The missile of FY-80N


    24. FN-16


    25. FN-6



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    Post  George1 on Mon Nov 07, 2016 8:11 pm

    Xiu Jian system is declared as a portable weapon to equip infantry and special forces, designed to destroy low-flying aircraft, helicopters, and especially drones, as well as land-based stationary and automotive purposes or lightly armored vehicles.



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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:45 pm

    Got to love the lack of imagination in design from China and the blatant ripoffs. Absolutely no sense of shame.
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    Re: Chinese-made SAM systems

    Post  GarryB on Tue Nov 08, 2016 9:19 am

    It is easier to copy the basic design and work from there.

    A lot of money and effort goes in to designing basic shapes... why waste money trying to find a unique shape when an effective shape has been developed by someone else...

    Saves time and money...
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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:57 pm

    China does seem to have some decent close in air defense systems but they are still nothing compared to Russian equivilents

    CS/SA-5

    The gun is the AO-18 that we are all familiar with from the AK-630 and Kashtan. I think Russia should realy make their own version on the Boomerang and with the Pantsirs missiles to escort their light divisions while haevier Tunguskas could escort the meduim Kurganets divitions and a new heavy platform could escort the heavy Armata divitions.


    Type 95 SPAAG

    Basicly a typical tracked SPAAG with 4 25mm autocannon and some MANPADS.



    What they should realy work on is having proper short range air defence missiles like Russian gun missiles AD vehicles such as the Tunguska-M1 and Pantsir.

    One thing that I find interesting is that the Chinese seem to use a combination of high volume of fire 25/30mm and 35mm autocannon.

    Anyway Chinese air deffence seems to be overall pretty good but ofcourse Russia is still king.
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    Re: Chinese-made SAM systems

    Post  George1 on Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:58 am

    Firing of the latest Chinese anti-aircraft missile system HQ-22

    The new Chinese medium-range anti-aircraft missile system HQ-22 is a further development of the well-known Chinese air defense system HQ-12 (KS-1 series) and was developed and manufactured by Jiangnan Space Industry Corporation (also known as “061st base”), which is part of the Chinese State Aerospace Science & Industry Corporation Limited (CASIC). LAW HQ-22 uses, in particular, new anti-aircraft guided missiles in transport-launch containers. Although the HQ-22 was first publicly demonstrated only two years ago, however, as can be seen from this report, these systems have already begun to enter into service with PLA defense.

    The medium-range SAM system developed by the “061st base” is a competitor to the systems of two other leading Chinese manufacturers of SAMs - part of the same CASIC of China Changfeng Mechanics and Electronics Technology Academy (also known as the “Second Academy”), traditionally the lead developer of the air defense system in the PRC (in particular, which created the main modern Chinese air defense system HQ-9); and the Shanghai so-called "Eighth Academy" (Shanghai Academy of Spaceflight Technology) of another Chinese rocket and space corporation China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation (CASC), which is producing an air defense system HQ-16.

    The medium-range HQ-22 air defense system was first demonstrated at the Zhuhai exhibition in 2016. Despite the fact that this complex looks similar to the long-range HQ-9 air defense system, it differs in that the launch of rockets is not performed vertically, but obliquely. The firing range is up to 100 km, the ceiling of the targets being hit is up to 27 km, the complex (three PU) is capable of firing 12 missiles at six targets simultaneously. The missile defense system is equipped with a semi-active radar GPS, the complex is based on the HQ-12 air defense system, but, unlike the base model, it is equipped with “no wings” missiles. In its range, the HQ-22 is in the class of the American Patriot-III systems, according to Chinese sources. According to their data, the firing range of the Patriot-3 is 80 km. The HQ-9 firing range is 200 km, and in combination with the HQ-22, China acquires a modern medium-range and long-range air defense system.









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    Post  Labrador on Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:10 pm

    George1 wrote:Firing of the latest Chinese anti-aircraft missile system HQ-22

    The new Chinese medium-range anti-aircraft missile system HQ-22 is a further development of the well-known Chinese air defense system HQ-12 (KS-1 series) and was developed and manufactured by Jiangnan Space Industry Corporation (also known as “061st base”), which is part of the Chinese State Aerospace Science & Industry Corporation Limited (CASIC). LAW HQ-22 uses, in particular, new anti-aircraft guided missiles in transport-launch containers. Although the HQ-22 was first publicly demonstrated only two years ago, however, as can be seen from this report, these systems have already begun to enter into service with PLA defense.

    The medium-range SAM system developed by the “061st base” is a competitor to the systems of two other leading Chinese manufacturers of SAMs - part of the same CASIC of China Changfeng Mechanics and Electronics Technology Academy (also known as the “Second Academy”), traditionally the lead developer of the air defense system in the PRC (in particular, which created the main modern Chinese air defense system HQ-9); and the Shanghai so-called "Eighth Academy" (Shanghai Academy of Spaceflight Technology) of another Chinese rocket and space corporation China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation (CASC), which is producing an air defense system HQ-16.

    The medium-range HQ-22 air defense system was first demonstrated at the Zhuhai exhibition in 2016. Despite the fact that this complex looks similar to the long-range HQ-9 air defense system, it differs in that the launch of rockets is not performed vertically, but obliquely. The firing range is up to 100 km, the ceiling of the targets being hit is up to 27 km, the complex (three PU) is capable of firing 12 missiles at six targets simultaneously. The missile defense system is equipped with a semi-active radar GPS, the complex is based on the HQ-12 air defense system, but, unlike the base model, it is equipped with “no wings” missiles. In its range, the HQ-22 is in the class of the American Patriot-III systems, according to Chinese sources. According to their data, the firing range of the Patriot-3 is 80 km. The HQ-9 firing range is 200 km, and in combination with the HQ-22, China acquires a modern medium-range and long-range air defense system.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3380156.html


    Interesting new missile in service since last year a variant of the HQ-9 which can have a range of 125 km also, HQ-22 170 km according first datas
    https://defence-blog.com/army/china-unveils-new-generation-of-surface-to-air-missile-weapon-system-at-the-airshow-china-2016-exhibition-in-zhuhai.html

    Also errors for Patriot-3 it is 20 and 35 km last variant, 80 for PAC-1 and 160 for PAC-2

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