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    Post  Aristide on Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:46 am

    Its amusing here.

    90% of the topics are about how badly the west treats russia. Self pity and inferiority complex and then one of the leading western powers actually makes a step towards russia and the result is also crying, self pity and inferiority complex. Not from evryone of course.

    The good thing about Russia is, that only Putin matters and he obviously is not like that.

    Macron says he wants to re-establish a working relationship after a bad patch in Franco-Russia ties under his predecessor François Hollande. I think thats a good thing.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:04 pm

    We can share missions. We plan a mission to Jupiters moon Europa. Russia could join it. Why not?

    The week before launch the Donbass might vote to join the Russian Federation and France might cancel the launch because of Russian aggression.

    OK, this is absolute horseshit, statistically as well, a myth. China's border regions are sparsely populated and it's not exactly experiencing a baby boom. In addition, Russia has a powerful military and most importantly, nukes. Wishful thinking, nothing else.

    Siberian rebellion and separation from Russia is a long term US wet dream... second only to China taking it from Russia...

    So you see Putin as pro western liberal?

    He was, but how much anti Russia bullshit can the guy take before he realises the western dream is only for the west...

    He clearly sees China as a threat. He would be idiotic not to

    No he does not. He would not have offered them an early warning system or sold them Su-35s or S-400s if that were the case.

    Its idiotic to believe that China would not steamroll Russia whenever it gets the chance.

    Ironic, but one would argue that the purpose of NATO is to steamroll Russia if it gets the chance... but Chinas military disposition is not organised towards Russia...

    We want cooperation and friendly relations with Russia. France works on that.

    Yeah, a few more sanctions and they might capitulate and give you friendly relations...

    What we want is friendly cooperation and better relations. I believe thats in France best interests.

    I totally agree, but that is like saying you want to be best buddies with those big bikies at the bar as you put your cigar out on the back of their hand and piss on their shoes.... really... why can't we all just be friends...

    Putin had very close relation with Chirac, even when Chirac was long retired. Putin came to the funeral not as a state guest but as a private man and that says alot.

    Yeah, it says a lot.... just like not inviting a representative of Russia for WWII commemorations... says a lot too.

    Equally Russia should also co-operate with NASA, with the Chinese, Indian, Japanese space agencies. These are exclusive either-or's. No-one's saying that closer co-operation with France has to come at the expense of China. Perhaps this is what Macron hopes for, perhaps not, but Russia has its own plans and interests regardless.

    That is a fundamental problem with the west... if you want to play with us here is a list of others you can't play with...

    It's all up to France. I've long had the impression based on official statements and so on, that Russia has been ready for all such steps for a long time.

    It is up to france and the EU and so far they have turned away from friendship and towards sanctions because Washington tells them to.... or london does.

    I suppose when they grow up and can make decisions for themselves they might have something to offer... and lets face it... this isn't charity... both sides will profit from this... but only when Europe is grown up enough to be able to make its own decisions.

    90% of the topics are about how badly the west treats russia.

    Probably moving US bases to Russian borders because Russia is so aggressive, and of course the election meddling and outright coups in countries bordering Russia possibly could be considered aggression by the US if one was being honest and fair.

    And of course all the sanctions imposed on Russia because the Crimea voted to join the Russian federation and a lot of people in the east of the Ukraine didn't accept the US funded and supported coup in that country.... obviously all evidence of Russian evilness and aggression.

    Self pity and inferiority complex and then one of the leading western powers actually makes a step towards russia and the result is also crying, self pity and inferiority complex. Not from evryone of course.

    Lets be clear Micron hasn't actually done anything... he is just talking... there have not been any sanctions lifted here.

    The good thing about Russia is, that only Putin matters and he obviously is not like that.

    He is no fool... he understands that a few nice words today can mean nothing tomorrow... you didn't even stand up to the US over the INF treaty which directly effects Europe... but then all the great superpowers of the world took instruction from America... they wanted to be able to attack China on the sly with short range missiles to take them out before they knew what hit them because they don't have a strategic air defence system... except now the Russians are going to build them one so europe is much less safe... hey... if you are nice to Russia they might sell you the same one they are selling to China so you can be safe from IRBMs too. Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

    Macron says he wants to re-establish a working relationship after a bad patch in Franco-Russia ties under his predecessor François Hollande. I think thats a good thing.

    Not saying it is a bad thing, but Russia needs to remember that Hollandes can return, so make sure you don't create ties that you cant afford to break.
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    Post  Aristide on Sun Oct 06, 2019 3:51 pm

    [quote="GarryB"]
    bla bla blubb

    You could spare yourself the time to write down all this rubbish when you just reduce your comment to the core that you simply hate France.

    You know what? I guess you never could ge over the fact that we bombed the Greenpeace ship, when you yourself should have done that. Your country supported those pathetic grass eaters.

    We just did you an act of mercy. We shot that rapid dog which you fed in your garden.

    You say we did not lift sanctions yet? Yes, we work on it. We could do so tomorrow. But we like to have the influence we have in Europe and we dont want throw it over the edge and end like trump.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Oct 06, 2019 5:41 pm

    I welcome improved French-RF ties, but at the same time it says a lot of France's real weight on the global stage: after the fiascoes in Syria & Libya, she now follows Turkey in seeking Russian help.
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    Post  Aristide on Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:02 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:I welcome improved  French-RF ties, but at the same time it says a lot of France's real weight on the global stage: after the fiascoes in Syria & Libya, she now follows Turkey in seeking Russian help.

    We dont seek russian help. We want correct a mistake done by Hollande. Its up to russia to accept it or not.

    We also see the weak russian economy and dont believe that a wrecked russia is good in any way.

    Beside that we stand against USA and see strong franco-russian relations as a positive thing regarding that.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:23 pm

    We dont seek russian help. ..Beside that we stand against USA and see strong franco-russian relations as a positive thing regarding that.
    even if Russia would also benefit from them, the strong Franco-Russian relations would greatly help France to stand against USA- in that context, France needs Russia more than Russia needs France. That's why Macron initiated those relevant steps, not Putin.
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    Post  Aristide on Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:12 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    We dont seek russian help. ..Beside that we stand against USA and see strong franco-russian relations as a positive thing regarding that.
    even if Russia would also benefit from them, the strong Franco-Russian relations would greatly help France to stand against USA- in that context, France needs Russia more than Russia needs France. That's why Macron initiated those relevant steps, not Putin.

    Its up to Russia to accept.
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    Post  flamming_python on Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:51 pm

    Aristide wrote:
    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    We dont seek russian help. ..Beside that we stand against USA and see strong franco-russian relations as a positive thing regarding that.
    even if Russia would also benefit from them, the strong Franco-Russian relations would greatly help France to stand against USA- in that context, France needs Russia more than Russia needs France. That's why Macron initiated those relevant steps, not Putin.

    Its up to Russia to accept.

    Like I said Russia is ready to accept any offer of closer cooperation from any European country on any field. It's also willing to drop its counter-sanctions in return for a country imposing sanctions on it dropping theirs.

    It's up to France to judge how far it's ready to go in regards to how much hysteria from it's Eastern European neighbours in the EU it's willing to put up with because of it.

    I heard that Lithuanian and Ukrainian deputies in PACE occupied the toilets in the building at recess time, to prevent the Russian representive from using them and to tech him a lesson about what countries 'feel' when their territory is occupied. Well careful it doesn't happen to the French representative next What a Face
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:45 pm

    What unites France with Russia, despite their past wars, is that both r continental powers with long imperial past, during which the colonizers freely mixed with & accepted the locals. For a long time, the Russian nobility spoke French among themselves. So there's greater potential of cooperation than with the UK & Anglo-Saxons in general.
    But France should be very careful not to double cross & stab Russia in the back.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:33 am

    But France should be very careful not to double cross & stab Russia in the back.

    France should be careful not to be France?

    Russia will be aware that when it suits them France will stab Russia in the back... and then tell you they had to because the iron levels were getting too high in your blood and so you needed to bleed but you will be OK now... maybe.

    And no I don't hate France... I would have to care about france before I could hate it.

    There has been talk in the past about better relations with Russia, but honestly I don't think the west is capable... Trump said he would improve relations all the time and then imposes more sanctions because of fairy tales from Britain... apparently a Russian nuclear weapon went off in down town London yesterday and two people were injured but are expected to fully recover because of the amazing health service they have there... they are busy looking through the travel records for a couple of russian men that arrived the day before and leave just after to stitch up for the crime... they will be so secret service they wont even have government employee records... even though Putin will have given them medals for their last glorious mission to kill Hillary... she is dead but the family continue to use her body double because she is a much more pleasant person to be around, unlike the real wicked witch of the west... who is a total cow.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:44 am

    Russian with Chinese - brothers forever!
    ..the total length of the border between the states is 4,209.3 kilometers: 650.3 kilometers of land, 3489 kilometers of river and 70 kilometers of lake.
    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2740242.html

    France should be careful not to be France?
    if they fail to evolve to a higher form to keep up with the times, they'll eventually die as a nation.
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    Post  Aristide on Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:19 pm

    France shows true leadership again. Enough of pathetic eastern european shitholes joining the Union.

    https://www.ft.com/content/fce9e9a0-ef36-11e9-ad1e-4367d8281195

    France voted against Mecedonia and Albania EU membership talks. And thats an aspect in the broder view.

    Since Merkel from Germany is pretty much finished and political dead, the french leadership rises mroe and more.

    What we see is basicly the rebirth of the la grande nation.

    France wants a union with western european core nations. France, Germany, Italy, Austria. Even countries like spain are barely accepted. France wants that this is under french leadership.

    Strong independend military. Anti american, countering influence from others like china.

    I actually like how things develop.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:44 am

    Funny that in the west we are told every day about the totalitarian Chinese and Russians, but in free democratic America and France police kill protesters and random people... how many are there dead in the HK protests?

    If I lived in the US I just would not call the police for anything at all and that is the country that leads the west... that is the culture the west aspires to...

    Germany shows some weakness and France decides to show a spine... but for how long... and likely it will all collapse to being mostly useless anyway.

    I mean you mention being independent from the US but also fear of China as a rising power... are you really that stupid?

    China is spending enormous amounts of money on land, sea, and air trade routes between Asia and Europe... two places with a lot of money and production and power.

    Obviously China is the enemy of the EU because all enemies build infrastructure for their fiercest opponents to improve trade ties and make transport and communications cheaper and quicker.... DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Post  Aristide on Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:31 am

    GarryB wrote:Funny that in the west we are told every day about the totalitarian Chinese and Russians, but in free democratic America and France police kill protesters and random people... how many are there dead in the HK protests?

    If I lived in the US I just would not call the police for anything at all and that is the country that leads the west... that is the culture the west aspires to...

    Germany shows some weakness and France decides to show a spine... but for how long... and likely it will all collapse to being mostly useless anyway.

    I mean you mention being independent from the US but also fear of China as a rising power... are you really that stupid?

    China is spending enormous amounts of money on land, sea, and air trade routes between Asia and Europe... two places with a lot of money and production and power.

    Obviously China is the enemy of the EU because all enemies build infrastructure for their fiercest opponents to improve trade ties and make transport and communications cheaper and quicker.... DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    China is a rival. It doesnt improve trade ties. It wants steal tech, gain power and influence. Some countries in africa start to learn that. They accepted ridicolous high loans, now cant pay them back and china takes their infrastructure over. Like in Kenya where China now claims the biggest harbor.

    USA and China are the same. An enemy of France. Our concept is quite simple. Independence of foreign powers.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:53 am

    China is a rival. It doesnt improve trade ties. It wants steal tech, gain power and influence. Some countries in africa start to learn that. They accepted ridicolous high loans, now cant pay them back and china takes their infrastructure over. Like in Kenya where China now claims the biggest harbor.
    At least they don't try to keep them poor & plunder them like France does, by ur own admission.
    USA and China are the same. An enemy of France.
    If China is an enemy of France, then u should see the writing on the wall- because Russia is now allied with her. How can u become friends with Russia to stand up to USA while treating China as an enemy?
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    Post  Aristide on Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:01 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    China is a rival. It doesnt improve trade ties. It wants steal tech, gain power and influence. Some countries in africa start to learn that. They accepted ridicolous high loans, now cant pay them back and china takes their infrastructure over. Like in Kenya where China now claims the biggest harbor.
    At least they don't try to keep them poor & plunder them like France does, by ur own admission.
    USA and China are the same. An enemy of France.
    If China is an enemy of France, then u should see the writing on the wall- because Russia is now allied with her. How can u become friends with Russia to stand up to USA while treating China as an enemy?

    China does plunder at extreme levels. They dont even employ native people but ship in their own workers, take the rescources and leave like locusts.

    We dont want become friends with Russia. The friend of a frenchman is a frenchman. Nations have no friends, just interests. Its about where you share interests that forge alliances. Not friendship.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:13 am

    China does plunder at extreme levels. They dont even employ native people but ship in their own workers, take the rescources and leave like locusts.
    well, they build useful things to facilitate business & trade to connect Eurasia & Africa, bypassing Anglo-American controlled choke points. Do u want them to be a non-profit charity? They still have at least 16M people below the poverty line.

    We dont want become friends with Russia. The friend of a frenchman is a frenchman. Nations have no friends, just interests. Its about where you share interests that forge alliances. Not friendship.
    even just cooperating with Russia won't be possible in the context of her close relations with China which will last decades to come. Whatever France can offer Russia, China can offer a lot more.
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    Post  Aristide on Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:16 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    China does plunder at extreme levels. They dont even employ native people but ship in their own workers, take the rescources and leave like locusts.
    well, they build useful things to facilitate business & trade to connect Eurasia & Africa, bypassing Anglo-American controlled choke points. Do u want them to be a non-profit charity? They still have at least 16M people below the poverty line.

    We dont want become friends with Russia. The friend of a frenchman is a frenchman. Nations have no friends, just interests. Its about where you share interests that forge alliances. Not friendship.
    even just cooperating with Russia won't be possible in the context of her close relations with China which will last decades to come. Whatever France can offer Russia, China can offer a lot more.

    There are mass demonstrations against China in african countries now. Several african countries like Ruanda dont sign agreements with China anymore.

    We will see how Putin thinks about that. Our offer stands.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:28 pm

    There are mass demonstrations against China in african countries now. Several african countries like Ruanda dont sign agreements with China anymore.
    Even if Chinese workers there spend $ just on rent, food, fuel, electricity, & women, it'll still help the economy. After they leave, other investors will come, & the local workforce will be trained by then to operate that infrastructure. The Japanese-built roads, plants & factories laid the foundation of Korean & Chinese industry.
    https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB9760.html

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2138067/african-countries-still-open-cooperation-china-funded

    https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018/jul/31/china-in-africa-win-win-development-or-a-new-colonialism

    https://qz.com/africa/1168130/africa-is-changing-china-as-much-as-china-is-changing-africa/

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/05/the-next-empire/308018/

    We will see how Putin thinks about that. Our offer stands.
    Any cooperation with France, no matter how deep & long, a won't be at China's expense. France belongs to the Mediterranean world; with Greece & Italy r already part of BRI, it's only a matter of time before France joins in lest it loses more by abstaining from it.

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    Post  Aristide on Thu Oct 17, 2019 8:31 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    There are mass demonstrations against China in african countries now. Several african countries like Ruanda dont sign agreements with China anymore.
    Even if Chinese workers there spend $ just on rent, food, fuel, electricity, & women, it'll still help the economy. After they leave, other investors will come, & the local workforce will be trained by then to operate that infrastructure. The Japanese-built roads, plants & factories laid the foundation of Korean & Chinese industry.
    https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB9760.html

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2138067/african-countries-still-open-cooperation-china-funded

    https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018/jul/31/china-in-africa-win-win-development-or-a-new-colonialism

    https://qz.com/africa/1168130/africa-is-changing-china-as-much-as-china-is-changing-africa/

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/05/the-next-empire/308018/

    We will see how Putin thinks about that. Our offer stands.
    Any cooperation with France, no matter how deep & long, a won't be at China's expense. France belongs to the Mediterranean world; with Greece & Italy r already part of BRI, it's only a matter of time before France joins in lest it loses more by abstaining from it.


    Your lack of knowledge is amusing. Even more so you obviously never realized our absolutism.

    China is an enemy. We even force them out of our digital infrastructure.

    We even forced Germany to not buy any F-35. Making clearvthey either stand with us or USA.

    Greece is a shithole. Italy just got changed by us as we removed Salvini. Its our core policy to push USA and China out.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:30 pm

    If Russia had anything to gain in the long by working together with France, we would hear about it by now- either u r with USA or with Russia/China tandem; the 3rd option for France is to be on her own or with Germany. All of the above is the bottom line.
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    Post  Aristide on Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:46 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:If Russia had anything to gain in the long by working together with France, we would hear about it by now- either u r with USA or with Russia/China tandem; the 3rd option for France is to be on her own or with Germany. All of the above is the bottom line.

    We chose our own option. A european hegemony, doing whats best for europe under french leadership.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:51 pm

    Napoleón failed; what makes u think that Macron or his successor will not fail?
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    Post  Aristide on Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:02 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Napoleón failed; what makes u think that Macron or his successor will not fail?

    Reality. When you have eyes, you see how things develop.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:17 pm

    Not when u have rosy glasses on, which seems to be the case with u!
    A european hegemony, doing whats best for europe under french leadership.
    certainly not over E. Europe, more than 1/2 of which is within Russia, Belorussia & Ukraine.

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