Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

George1 wrote:Project 667BDR (Delta III) SSBNs - K-223 Podolsk, K-433 Sv. Georgiy Pobedonosets, removed from service
This leaves only one operational Project 667BDR/Delta III submarine - Ryazan, which returned from overhaul in February 2017.

http://russianforces.org/blog/2018/03/two_project_667bdr_submarines.shtml

PapaDragon wrote:

Removed for overhaul or removed permanently?

A few days ago Rosatom put out a request for tenders for "unloading spent nuclear fuel from decommissioned submarines of the Project 667BDR class, Nos. 395 and 397" (h/t @7FBTK). These submarines are K-223 Podolsk and K-433 Svyatoy Georgiy Pobedonosets respectively. I take it these two submarines have been withdrawn from service.

verkhoturye51 wrote:Can someone translate what's going on with Tula and Bryansk?

verkhoturye51 wrote:Chances for another Yasen are insignificant, because seven were initially planned:

They are the most expensive sumarines made in the recent history, even more than Seawolf class. Even US navy couldn't afford 3,5 bn submarines, let alone Russia. Thus, they're getting ready for the first boat of new, cheaper Husky class, which should be laid down in 2020/2021

This summer, Malakhit will present the design.

Big_Gazza wrote:Get serious, the $3.5B "cost" of Kazan incorrectly includes all the R&D, design documentation and revised tooling for the entire 885M series ... the costs should be spread out over the full program to appreciate the true costs, not all lumped onto the lead vessel of the series.

Someone is playing dirty politics with this agitprop BS.

PapaDragon wrote:
Going with anything less capable than Yasen is flat out stupidity and criminal negligence

USA, China and Europe are not sitting on their asses (first two at least), there is no going back in this game

verkhoturye51 wrote:Haha don't worry, Huskies are expected to be even quiter. Russians know what are they doing, that's why they're no. 1 submarine force in the world since Khurscev.

PapaDragon wrote:

verkhoturye51 wrote:Haha don't worry, Huskies are expected to be even quiter. Russians know what are they doing, that's why they're no. 1 submarine force in the world since Khurscev.

Not really, that would still be USN, even if you ignore quality they definitely got the numbers

Yasen and Borei are first classes to match or exceed US subs' features

I am not saying some Soviet ones weren't up for task but facts are facts

Isos wrote:............
Virginia have also VLS for tomahawks if I'm not wrong and they are very capable subs. And they replace their los angoles with them much faster than russia replace its soviets subs with yasen.

verkhoturye51 wrote:Oh boy, what do you do when you don't watch american movies?

Facts: Soviets had better and larger submarine force. Russians have better and larger submarine force.

In the peak in 1957, Soviets had 375 submarines. They had by far the largest submarine fleet ever formed. Today the numbers are the same in both countries. Wikipedia states that both have 10-20 SSBNs and 60 SSNs + SSGNs. The difference is that Russians have also reserve sizable fleet.

Do you want to talk about quality? Who constructed the largest submarine? What about the fastest? Or the deepest diving? You guessed the answer. Russians use multiple hull designs, their submarines are more hydrodynamic and safer, they have escape pads, they can land on seabed, they are more comfoortable due to pool and sauna. They area more automatized and require smaller crew. They are better armed. Their reactors are liquid metal cooled, instead of water.

Oh, I know what do you mean. They are noisier. So what? You can't detect no modern nuclear submarine outside of 1 km radius, so the differences don't really matter anymore. The real difference is non-acoustic stealth. Russians can detect US submarines also using hydrodynamic sensors, detecting heat, electricity, magnetism, radiation exhausts and turbulences from enemy submarines. While all that's a taboo in the US.