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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  George1 on Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:53 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    George1 wrote:So we have only in service:

    5x Oscars
    3x Akulas
    2x Sierras
    1x Victor

    11 SSN/SSGNs..

    https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/372788/227305704.37/0_178a34_6774fb6a_orig

    Are they going to overhaul any others or does everything besides these 11 get scrapped?

    τhe submarines with yellow colour in background are supposed to be in overhaul or in reserve
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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  George1 on Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:22 pm

    Pr.671RTMK (NATO Victor III) Obninsk #SSN surfacing in Kola Bay,Barents on 30.7.2017. 1 of 3 that still remain in service.©️Andrey Borsiovich

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    Husky with new liquid fueled SLBM

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:29 am

    Kommersant (15 Nov 2017) in article you can find interesting paragraph:




    19 trillions on defense

    Vladimir Putin will discuss arms purchases with the military for ten years ahead

    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3467573



    In the part of the Navy, the program will be designed for the purchase of diesel-electric submarines, a new generation of Husky type nuclear missile carriers (with a new liquid intercontinental ballistic missile)

    1. And now the question no Husky SSN/SSGN till 2025? dunno Shocked

    2. New liquid fuelled SLBM - so Lyner improved or totlly new?

    3. Bulawa is out? What a Face
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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:22 am

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    More likely usual journalistic​ fuckup 

    Husky is SSN first and foremost, other versions will come once baseline model is tested out

    If they really do go balls in on Husky from the get go and on such tight timeframe then it will be paradigm shift

    And you can just put this one some other tread, no need to start new topic over every news article that pops out (I am looking at you newbies!!!)
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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  Isos on Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:23 am

    Its unlikly to see new SSGN. Boreis are produced very well and they don t have lot of other to replace.
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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:35 pm

    Isos wrote:Its unlikly to see new SSGN. Boreis are produced very well and they don t have lot of other to replace.

    +


    PapaDragon wrote:'
    More likely usual journalistic​ fuckup 

    Husky is SSN first and foremost, other versions will come once baseline model is tested out

    If they really do go balls in on Husky from the get go and on such tight timeframe then it will be paradigm shift


    Well this could be also interpretation that  SGSN and SSBN can have replaceable modules?  


    anyway "new liquid fueled  SLBM"  is intriguing. So a new one or  Lyner upgrade?
    any suggestions lads?








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    Talking about Huskey not new but Malakhit posters were sweet:

    http://www.militarycolumnist.ru/huski-submarine/




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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  Isos on Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:17 am

    My bad, I was talking avout SSBN. It is likely they build huskeys for SSN and SSGN role to unify the design. But new SSN are already SSGN and they plan to modernize oscars with Kalibr luncher so I suppose there will be just one hybrid SSN/SSGN Huskey like Yassen class ...

    Oscar will be force multipliers by having a lot of punch and they don t need to have lot of them.
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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  George1 on Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:55 pm

    Ship structure and construction of naval strategic nuclear forces of the Russian Navy as of 01.12.2017



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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  George1 on Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:06 am

    Atomic underwater forces of the Pacific Fleet: Vilyuchinsk, 12/01/2017

    03.12.2017 the press service of the Ministry of Defense published on its website a photo report of S. Konovalov from Vilyuchinsk (Kamchatka) about the ceremonies dedicated to the beginning of the winter period of training in the Armed Forces of Russia, which starts on the first day of the last month of the year (summer 01.06). Thanks to several unsigned images, we have a rare opportunity to at least virtually visit the main base of the nuclear submarine forces of the Pacific Fleet and make a feasible revision of their operational ship crew.

    1. In the photo from the first to the fourth (somewhere quite clearly, somewhere not very), one can see the SSBN prospect 955 (more precisely 09551) K-550 "Alexander Nevsky" - the first serial "Borey".

    2. On the pictures from the third to the fifth one can observe all three veterans of the 667BDR of the Pacific Fleet, the SSBNs, 667BDR K-44 Ryazan, K-223 Podolsk and K-433 St. George the Victorious.

    3. On photo 1-4, SSGN prospect 949A K-150 Tomsk is seen, and in photo 5 - our only SSN on the Pacific K-419 "Kuzbass" pr. 971 (link).

    4. SSBN prospect 955 K-551 Vladimir Monomakh and SSGN pr. 949A K-456 Tver either stayed behind the scenes, or (which is much preferable) are on combat patrolling.

    https://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/177892.html

    I have the same numbers for Pacific fleet:

    2x Boreis
    3x Delta III
    2x Oscars
    1x Acula

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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  Peŕrier on Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:49 pm

    Pacific Fleet is operating only one SSN at the moment?

    I never realized that, indians should be a little more grateful to russians for having agreed to lease them Nerpa.

    Is there a official date for return to active service of Bratsk and Samara?
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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  George1 on Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:10 pm

    Peŕrier wrote:Pacific Fleet is operating only one SSN at the moment?

    I never realized that, indians should be a little more grateful to russians for having agreed to lease them Nerpa.

    Is there a official date for return to active service of Bratsk and Samara?

    Bratsk and Samara and Magadan also are in repair for Pacific fleet

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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  Peŕrier on Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:39 pm

    George1 wrote:

    Bratsk and Samara and Magadan also are in repair for Pacific fleet


    I knew about Bratsk and Samara, I were asking exactly if RN or the yard have announced an approximate date for their return to service.

    Didn't know anyway that Magadan too was out of active service, i believed that it was still in active service until at least one from Bratsk and Samara would return from the yard.
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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  George1 on Mon Dec 18, 2017 3:54 pm

    Atomic submarine forces of the Pacific Fleet: present and future

       The nuclear submarine of the Pacific Fleet is experiencing now not the best of times, but not the worst - quite recently (in 2011-2015) its strategic component consisted of only two combat-ready SSBNs, far from a new 667BDR project, and there was no multipurpose component at all. In this publication, we give a brief overview of the available naval composition (active, temporarily inactive and hopeless), and an attempt is made to forecast the short and medium term.

    Reliable assets: SSBN


    1. RPSCN prospect 955 (09551) K-551 "Vladimir Monomakh" - as part of the permanent readiness forces (LNG); age 3.0 years; on the Pacific Fleet from 26.09.2016 (after the interflot transfer from the Northern Fleet along the Northern Sea Route, combined with combat patrolling); the last launch on 14.11.2015 (from the White Sea) - a salvo, two ballistic missiles (SLBM), according to some sources, unconfirmed by the Ministry of Defense, partially unsuccessful (ref. 1).

    2. RPKSN prospect 955 (09551) K-550 "Alexander Nevsky" - as part of the LNG; age is 4.0 years; on the Pacific Fleet from 30.09.2015 (after the MFP with the Northern Fleet on the Northern Sea Route); the last launch of an SLBM (one) on 11/28/2014 (from the Barents Sea); xx.10? -24.11.2015 (combat patrol in the Pacific Ocean).

    3. RSKSN prospect 667BDR K-44 "Ryazan" - as part of the LNG; age 35 years; at the Pacific Fleet since 30.09.2008 (after the MFP with the SF on the NSR); in 2011, a "maintenance" repair was started in the Zvezda DWZ (ref. 2), lasting about 5.5 years (until February 15, 2017); the last launch of the SLBM (R-29R) on 26.10.2017.

    4. SSBN pr. 667BDR K-433 "St. George the Victorious" - in the LNG; age 37 years; on the Pacific Fleet since 16.09.1983 (after the MFP with SF on the NSR); 02.1993-07.2003 average repair in the Zvezda Distillery (about 9.0 years minus 18 months, during which work was not carried out for various reasons - reference 3); the extreme "fulfillment of planned tasks in the sea" by July 5, 2016 (ref. 4), before this - until 29.12.2015, in the summer of 2015, until 29.12.2014, "Vostok-2014" (a very busy schedule, taking into account the fact that the boat has not been repaired for more than 14 years); the last launch of the SLBM 12/10/2017.

    5. RPGSN pr. 667BDR K-223 "Podolsk" - as part of the LNG; age 38 years; on the Pacific Fleet from 10 (14?). 11.1980 (after the MFP with SF over the NSR); from 2006 (approximately) (reference 5) to 04.05.2011 the average repair in the Zvezda DWZ is about 5.0 years; the final sounded launch of the SLBM on 30.10.2015, but there is information that the K-223 was also fired in 2016.


    Reliable assets of general purpose

    1. APKR (APKRRK) prospect 949A K-150 "Tomsk" - as part of LNG; age - almost 21 years; on the Pacific Fleet since 24.09.1998 (after the MFP with SF on the NSR); from 11.2008 to 25.12.2014 VTG (repairs on the technical condition) (6.1 years) in the Zvezda DWT (in this case, in the best traditions of the Soviet court industry, after the commissioning of the Christmas tree order, the work continued in Viluchinsk until at least 07.05 .2015 - reference 8, reference 9); extreme firing with the main caliber (3R45 SCR of the Granit missile system) for the maritime target 09.10.2017 (together with GRC "Varyag"), along the coastline - 12.07.2017.

    2. APKR prospect 949A K-456 "Tver" - as part of the LNG (as we would like to hope); age 25 years; on the Pacific Fleet since 14.09.1993 (after the MFP with SF on the NSR); from 12.1996 to 25.02.2004 (7.2 years) in reserve after the failure of the line of the starboard shaft during the BS - first VTG in the Zvezda DWZ (approximately until 2001 incl.), then - by the forces of the personnel in Vilyuchinsk (ref. 11); presumably 03-12.2013 dock repair on the "Star" (reference 12 - purchasing documentation 52-13, appendix 3, item 5), the last firing of the Civil Code in 2016 (ref. 13).

    3. APKR prospect 949A K-186 "Omsk" - in a short-term repair (if only "Star" is capable of such); age 24 years; on the Pacific Fleet since 10.09.1994 (after the MFP with SF on the NSR); was noticed at the quay embankment of the plant on 03/07/2017 (during the visit to Zvezda by Deputy Defense Minister Y. Borisov - reference 14), where, apparently, is from the II quarter. 2016 (reference 15, No. 444) - the last message about "Omsk" from Vilyuchinsk is dated 26.05.2015 (reference 16), on the return from the BS - on 09.12.2014 (reference 17), on the shooting of the Civil Code - September 23, 2014 (link 18); the end of work should be expected no earlier than 11.2018 - it is known that they consist in particular in "extending the service life to an average repair of 3.5 years and maintenance in the volume of" 25000 hours of operating time "products" Azurit-DM / 3/4 "(link 20, No. 973) (most likely, we are talking about BPTU - block steam-turbine units from the GEA APKR).

    4. APKR prospect 949A K-132 Irkutsk - in the long-term medium repair with modernization at 949AM avenue in the Zvezda DWZ; age is almost 29 years; on the Pacific Fleet from 27? .09.1990 (after the MFP with SF on the NSR); on the "Star" from 11.2001, the actual start of work on 05.12.2013 (the contract with the Defense Ministry was signed on 05/04/2013). The transfer of the ship of the Navy was planned in 2019, but it was postponed half a year ago in 2021 (reference 22), in the purchases of the "Star" in 2017, a more precise period of 12.2021 (in the part of "installation, commissioning, adjustment works, at the stages of mooring, factory running, state tests and revision (control output, delivery of an order) "of some products of the head 619 pr. 949AM - reference 20, No. 1053). In this case, the 33-year-old Irkutsk will go to sea after 20 years in the factory and 8 years in repair. As of August 15 this year. APKR is raised from the water and is on a solid foundation (title photo).

    5. APKR prospect 949A K-442 "Chelyabinsk" - in the long-term average repair with modernization at 949AM avenue in the Zvezda DWZ; age is not less than 27 years; on the Pacific Fleet from 12 (14?). 09.1991 (after the MFP with SF on the NSR); in reserve at least since 2008, on "Zvezda" from 07.09.2014 (the contract with the Defense Ministry was signed on 05/04/2013); as of August 15 this year. is located afloat in the water area of ​​the plant. The term of the transfer of the Navy will directly depend on the construction and state tests of Irkutsk as the lead ship of the 949AM series (I think the interval will be at least two years).

    6. PLAC pr. 971 K-419 "Kuzbass" - as part of the LNG; age is not less than 25 years; in 2009 it was put on repair in the Zvezda DWZ (the works were carried out under the state contract dated 17.08.2009, additional agreement to it dated 25.02.2011 and one more contract dated 18.12.2012 - reference 23), conditionally transferred to the fleet on the Day of the Submariner on 19.03. 2016 (according to some sources, it was in Primorye prior to Navy Day on July 31, 2016 - reference 24, reference 25, completing repairs and training, and only after that it went to the point of permanent deployment - Vilyuchinsk); even if you count from the first contract to the "fake" transfer, the repair took more than 6.5 years, and all seven; from the last (this year) sounded achievements of "Kuzbass" can be called the torpedo attack of a detachment of warships 08.09 and an underwater duel with the RSASN "Ryazan" September 15,

    7. PLAC pr. 971 K-295 "Samara" - in the long-term medium repair with modernization at Pr. 971M in the "Zvezdochka", Severodvinsk; age 22.4 years; in the reserve, presumably from 2011; 28.08-26.09.2014 on the docking vessel "Transshelf" together with "Bratsk" was delivered from Kamchatka to the North in the calculation for a fairly rapid repair in the CSP (according to the plan for about three years - reference 26), but hopes did not materialize; initially Samara based in the White Sea Navy, is currently floating in the Zvezdochka water area, awaiting the start of slip operations (staging in the workshop), which is expected not earlier than the withdrawal of the Leopard or Wolf. tentatively in 2019-2020 or 2021-2022 gg.).

    8. PLAC pr. 971 K-391 "Bratsk" - in the long-term average repair with modernization at Pr. 971M in the Central Park "Zvezdochka", Severodvinsk; age is almost 28 years; in the reserve since 1998 (withdrawn from the LNG in anticipation of factory repairs in connection with the end of the lifetime of the battery - reference 27); from 10.2003 imitation repair in the Northeast repair center (SVRTS); from August 28, 2014 - the same as "Samara" (except BelVMB).


    Unreliable and unconsolidated assets

    1. PLAC pr. 971 K-331 (Magadan) - in an indefinite status (whether in repair, or in sludge) in the DVZ Zvezda; age is not less than 27 years; in the reserve, presumably from 2012 (28.09.2012 was already on "Zvezda" - reference 28); 05.21.2015 The media reported on the planned completion of the repair of four nuclear-powered boats, including K-331, at the end of November the same year - reference 29, but soon (27.05) "Magadan" was removed from the list; in plans of purchases of "Stars" for 2015-2017. order head. No. 515 is missing; on the application of the General Director of the Admiralty Shipyards A. Buzakov dated 11.08.2017, the real name "Magadan" was transferred to the third DEPL of 636.3 for the Pacific Fleet (ref. 30).

    2. PLAC Pr. 971 K-322 ("Kashalot") - in long-term storage in the Amur Shipyard; age is almost 29 years. The ASH that built the boat and where it was delivered for repair at the Zeya transport dock in 2003 (possibly on October 27, 2003 - ref. 31), has long lost the relevant competencies and will not be able to repair the ship. DVZ "Zvezda" and TsS "Zvezdochka" - not an option (overloaded with orders and working very slowly).

    Prospects

    To date, the nuclear submarine forces of the Pacific Fleet have and can count on a total of 5 SSBNs, 5 APCGRKs and three PLACs from those that are part of the LNG and in the unreasonable repair. At the same time, catastrophic shortage of multipurpose submarines is evident, and the venerable age of the ship's personnel - on average 24.5 years (without Boreyev - 28.3 years) with a share of modern combat projects of only 15.4% (2/13), if we ignore the fascinating advertising slogans of USC and the Navy, about "new ships in old buildings" (949AM and 971M).

    In the next decade, during the implementation of the State Program of Armaments 2018-2027, the situation should improve significantly. First of all, this refers to the naval strategic nuclear forces - one of the constituents of the triad, allowing us to build our future (including the Navy) regardless of someone else's will (few people on this planet have such a unique opportunity). Despite the fact that the NSAC does not strengthen the general-purpose marine component, but rather weakens it due to the diversion of warships to ensure its deployment (as repeatedly stated in the blog), their development deserves special attention.

    The fact that in addition to the two existing "Borei" Pacific Fleet will receive two more "Borea-A" (prospect 955A or 09552), has already been reported in the press (ref. 32). The desire to establish (and maintain) parity between the SF and the Pacific Fleet is quite reasonable - it should be followed with respect to all the main ship formations of both fleets. In this sense, after the completion of the 955A series, it seems logical to write off the remaining three 667BDRs (by the end of 2021, when the Navy will transfer the last Borey-A Prince Pozharsky, the average age of these obsolete boats with obsolete missiles is approaching 41) and six 667BDRM to divide equally between the two fleets, after which they systematically replace them with new Borey Bs, bringing the number of SSBNs in the two divisions to 2x8 = 16 units.

    06/03/2017 Yuri Borisov announced plans of the Defense Ministry to modernize four Pacific Antey at 949AM in the framework of the new SPV (with the replacement of Granite by Caliber and the behind-the-scenes Onyx reference 22). The intention is extremely good, but with the slowness of the "Star" it is difficult to achieve. In my opinion, it would be more correct to return one 949A to the North (thus equating the number of their groupings) and to modernize two boats on the "Star". In this case, both the SF and the Pacific Fleet, we will have two purely "anti-aircraft" (949A) and two multi-purpose (949AM) nuclear submarine cruisers, the latter of which will primarily be designed to carry out non-nuclear deterrence tasks as part of the appropriate fleet forces - REMOVE.

    In part of one of the most painful topics for the Pacific Fleet and for the Russian Navy in general - the multipurpose component of nuclear submarine forces, the following assumptions can be made. Until 2027 (inc.), The "Star" should be handed over at any cost to "Samara" and "Bratsk", while "Magadan" will probably go to India, and "Kashalot" will be disposed of - thus, only three will remain in the Pacific Fleet but the fully combat-ready PLAC pr. 971 and 971M. In addition, the Ministry of Defense intends to strengthen the Pacific submarine with three "Yasenyam-M" (pr. 885M or 08851) (reference 32) - judging by the geography of the names, it will be Novosibirsk, Krasnoyarsk and Perm (head ship pr. 885M "Kazan", as well as pr. 955A "Prince Vladimir" will serve in the North - reference 35, reference 36, which is due to the need for their scrupulous testing and debugging at the shipyard - builder - Sevmash).

    Six multipurpose boats by the end of 2027 on the Pacific Fleet against 12 units on the SF (3-885M, 1-885, 2-971M, 4-971 and 2-945A, 671RTMK and 945 probably will write) is not a fair ratio. The Pacific and Indian oceans are no less significant and much more extensive operating area than the Atlantic and the Mediterranean. It is also important that the distance from Gadzhievo and Vilyuchinsk to the Persian Gulf will be approximately the same (about 7,700 miles) only if the boats of the Northern Fleet go through the Suez Canal, which implies a complete loss of secrecy, and therefore impossible in practice; If you go around Africa, the sea route is extended to 12,500 miles. As for the PLA, at a standard autonomy of 90 days and an average speed at the junction of 16 knots, they can be on combat duty in the Persian Gulf for at least 50 days. Therefore, probably the Glavkomat and GSh of the Navy has a reason to think about the equalization of the number of naval personnel of the multipurpose nuclear submarine forces of our two oceanic fleets due to the transfer from the SF to the Pacific Fleet of three PLAC Pr. 971 (in order to maintain the technical readiness of the 945A PLAA, the skills of working with titanium , which among the current SRH is only on the snow and snow "Nerpa").

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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  George1 on Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:02 pm

    So Magadan (SSN Acula class) also is in doubt for repair.
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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:58 pm

    George1 wrote:So Magadan (SSN Acula class) also is in doubt for repair.
    Pskov,
    Nothing about Yasen, Nizhnyi Novgorod, Karp and Kostroma? like 5 subs isnot there?... I understand that author has some doubt for upgrading  949 projects but then why not doubt about any upgrades?
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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  George1 on Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:06 pm

    Karp and Kostroma will not be repaired
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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:20 am

    George1 wrote:Karp and Kostroma will not be repaired

    If funds go for more Husky or Yasen then good option was chosen Smile
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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  George1 on Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:50 am

    The naval composition and construction of the Naval Strategic Nuclear Forces of the Russian Navy as of 01.01.2018



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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  George1 on Sat Feb 03, 2018 2:48 am

    The ship's composition and construction of the Naval Strategic Nuclear Forces of the Russian Navy as of 01.02.2018



    Bryansk scheduled for upgrade post March 2018

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    If modifying the Typhoons wasn't so expensive

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:23 pm

    Good recap: http://svpressa.ru/war21/article/192560/?cba=1

    If modifying the Typhoons wasn't so expensive, they too could be modified for Calibres. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoon-class_submarine#History

    Meanwhile, the Borey #s may eventually be cut to save more $.
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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:06 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:...................
    Meanwhile, the Borey #s may eventually be cut to save more $.

    They will never cut Boreis before they develop replacment it's the only SSBN they have in production

    The very idea of it is nonsense
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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:30 pm

    Time will tell! The US will soon build more BMD sites, incl. on the E. Coast, to cover all vectors. The new fad is "non-nuclear deterrence", so
    costly Boreys r redundant & a burden on the budjet!
    As I mentioned on another tread, sea bottom based BMs r enough & lake Baikal could host those &/ smaller subs with Sineva SLBMs as well. Such subs won't need any torpedoes, countermeasures & personnel to defend itself.
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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:00 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Time will tell! The US will soon build more BMD sites, incl. on the E. Coast, to cover all vectors.

    You do realize that they will never be able to intercept enough missiles to prevent extermination of population? Those sites are irrelevant for Russian naval planning.


    Tsavo Lion wrote:...The new fad is "non-nuclear deterrence", so
    costly Boreys r redundant & a burden on the budjet!

    This is ehhenia level nonsense.... lol1

    What is next? USN will scrap their CVNs?


    Tsavo Lion wrote:As I mentioned on another tread, sea bottom based BMs r enough & lake Baikal could host those &/ smaller subs with Sineva SLBMs as well. Such subs won't need any torpedoes, countermeasures & personnel to defend itself.

    Lake Baikal? Are you kidding me?

    They already have something better in that region, it's called Topol-M and Yars.
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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:14 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Tsavo Lion wrote:As I mentioned on another tread, sea bottom based BMs r enough & lake Baikal could host those &/ smaller subs with Sineva SLBMs as well. Such subs won't need any torpedoes, countermeasures & personnel to defend itself.

    Lake Baikal? Are you kidding me?

    They already have something better in that region, it's called Topol-M and Yars.

    Baikal not but sea-bottom it is already being implemented.

    Bondarev: Russian Armed Forces have hypersonic "Zircon" missiles and Skif sea-bottom based missiles

    "According to open sources, developmental work "SKIF" involves the creation of transport-launch container for ballistic missiles, which will allow you to run them with great depth"
    Подробнее на ТАСС
    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4746647


    Skiff - Wiki

    "Scythian" is a promising ballistic missile of the sea-bottom basing. It is developed by the design bureau "Rubin" and the State Missile Center named after Academician Makeev , commissioned by the Defense Ministry. The "Skif" ballistic deep-sea rocket is capable of being in standby mode on the sea or ocean floor before receiving the launch command. [1]
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Скиф_(ракета)





    PapaDragon wrote:
    Tsavo Lion wrote:Time will tell! The US will soon build more BMD sites, incl. on the E. Coast, to cover all vectors.

    You do realize that they will never be able to intercept enough missiles to prevent extermination of population?

    If AMD can stop enough warheads to have "acceptable extermination" of population then it is a successful project and no strategical balance.
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    Re: Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

    Post  Kimppis on Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:09 pm

    How exactly would they cut the Borei numbers? From the current 8? Or from the total 12, 4 of which (Borei-B) won't be built anytime soon anyway? PapaDragon is totally correct, that won't happen.

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