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    Re: Purchases of Foreign Military Equipment

    Post  Austin on Sun Nov 27, 2011 6:01 am

    This is big news

    Russia To Train With German Know-how
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    Re: Purchases of Foreign Military Equipment

    Post  GarryB on Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:39 am

    I rather suspect the Russians will try to buy the licence to operate this training system on their own and evolve the capability of updating it themselves.

    They will have a lot of new systems coming on line in the 2013-2015 time period and I doubt they will want to hand over fairly detailed information needed to simulate these items and vehicles to Germany... no matter how friendly they are.

    BTW your article had something more than my posts... it has dates and deadlines.

    From what I have read this system can be used to train individual soldiers on individual pieces of kit, like rifles, grenade launchers and missile systems, right up through vehicles with full crews, missile batteries with multiple vehicles, to a full Brigade all working together.

    More than just a training tool, as mentioned in the article, this will enable developers of systems to see how their systems interact on a real (simulated) battlefield.

    It will be a good way to train commanders and individual soldiers to use new assets like UAVs, from divisional UAVs down to hand launched systems at unit level just as one example.

    Experience in operating in different terrain without burning fuel or using ammo or wearing out vehicles will be useful... but I can see each military district wanting their own system.

    I assume each system can simulate all the brigade types, including artillery and other specialised units.
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    Russian Military plans to buy 100 French Helicopters

    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:41 pm

    Russian Military plans to buy 100 French Helicopters



    MOSCOW, February 22 (RIA Novosti)

    The Russian Defense Ministry is planning to buy at least 45 light multipurpose helicopters from a foreign manufacturer, Vedomosti daily said on Wednesday.

    The paper cited a defense industry source as saying that a contract worth over 6 billion rubles ($201 mln) for the purchase of fifteen AS350 and thirty AS355 Ecureil helicopters made by Eurocopter is in the works.

    The Defense Ministry may order a total of 100 helicopters of this type mainly for training purposes.
    A joint venture with Eurocopter could be set up for the assembly of AS350/355 in Russia, the source said.

    The purchase of light helicopters abroad shows the urgent need for light helicopters by the Russian military, as domestic Ansats and Ka-226s are just entering the market while the Mi-34 is still under testing.

    The Eurocopter AS350 is a single-engined light helicopter while the AS355 is a twin-engine variant. Both versions have been produced since the mid-1970s and sales remain strong.

    Russian Military Plans to Buy Foreign Helicopters – Media | Defense | RIA Novosti
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    Re: Purchases of Foreign Military Equipment

    Post  TR1 on Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:56 pm

    So far the number floated has been 15 single engine, and 30 twin engine.

    For training I don't see why they would go to Eurocopter. Ansat-U has already been entering service specifically for training.

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    Whats the reason for this purchase?

    Post  gloriousfatherland on Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:40 am

    It seems they have gone really frenchy. Are they going to put these on the mistral tongue
    Its seems pretty impratical for any military situation, well except giving generals and high rankers new cars to drive in.
    I dont see any mutual benefit between Russia and France, it just seems like a russian handout to france.
    If they really wanted a light helicopter they should have gone with and amerikanyet UH-6M.
    This money to buy that eurocopter should be going in russian plants so people in russian would benefit from their taxes not the frenchies
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    Re: Purchases of Foreign Military Equipment

    Post  GarryB on Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:18 am

    American would not really have been an option as there would be too many strings attached... you don't buy American weapons... you rent them.

    I rather suspect this purchase of French Helos is part of a larger cooperation agreement, and I suspect it is a stopgap measure till the new Mi-34C1 finishes testing and is ready for full scale production in a couple of years time.

    In the past such a role has been performed by the Mi-2, but it was produced in what is now a foreign country, so they might as well buy from France for the moment.

    When the Russian helos are ready for mass production they can use the excuse that these French helos were designed in the 1970s and need replacing, despite being new production models.

    The production facilities set up to make these helos could be used to produce the new Russian models in the future.

    I am sure the French helo maker needs the business right now.
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    Re: Purchases of Foreign Military Equipment

    Post  Vladimir79 on Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:14 am

    These helicopters are a different lift class above the Mi-34's little engine. Mi-34 is strictly for training while the French helos are actually light utility copters. I expect they will fill a stopgap role in the LUH.

    Mi-2 is coming back in China with a JV production facility there. It is the same lift class as these choppers but it must not meet modern standards to be inducted.

    French Eurocopter is the biggest maker of helicopters in the world. They don't need the business. We certainly do... censored

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    Re: Purchases of Foreign Military Equipment

    Post  GarryB on Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:02 am

    i think a primary problem for light Russian helos has been the fact that it has been an area largely ignored by Mil and Kamov.

    I think the Ka-225 is brilliant, and there are designs by Irkut like the Aktai and Ansat that look like world class modern designs.

    I think the main problem is delivery time.

    It appears to me from the articles posted that they have chosen these French helos as mature designs that are ready to get rapidly into production.

    With the joint venture they will end up with 100 odd French helos along with production facilities to build their own helo designs.

    The main problem I see is that they are investing in French helicopters from the 1970s when they should be investing in new Russian designs.

    The ANSAT is probably in a slightly heavier weight class, and the Aktai is probably a bit light.

    Looking at this article:

    Mi-34C1 snags first orders

    Mi-34C1The key current light helicopter programme being pursued by the Russian Helicopters holding company is the resumed production of the heavily upgraded Mil Mi-34C1 by the Progress aircraft company in the town of Arsenyev. New helicopter features the advanced M9FV piston engine, an up-to-date avionics suite and a number of design and systems improvements aimed at enhancing the operating efficiency and reliability as well as extending the service life of the aircraft. This, coupled with a reasonable price, is going to help the Mi-34C1 to get a good niche on the market.


    Russian Helicopters Mi-34C1 programme manager Dmitry Rodin told Take-off that Mil Helicopter Plant now completing two Mi-34C1 prototypes. One of them, the OP-1, is slated for the maiden flight in June to be followed by the other, the OP-2. Both Mi-34C1 prototypes will be displayed during the MAKS 2011 air show in August, one to be demonstrated as part of the flight programme and the other as a static display. The Mi-34C1 is to complete its certification programme by year-end.

    On 19 May, during the HeliRussia 2011, the Russian Helicopters holding company landed its first order for the advanced machine after the launch customer UTair had placed an order for ten Mi-34C1 helicopters for its training centre. The deliveries are slated to kick off in 2012. In addition, the show saw an agreement signed by the French company Aero Progress, the latter intent on promoting the Mi-34C1 on the European market. The signatories believe the helicopter can be needed in the West, since it features a number of advantages over the popular Eurocopter EC120. The first two Mi-34C1s are planned for delivery to the French company in 2013.

    Source: http://en.take-off.ru/news/102-feb2011/616-mi-34c1snagsfirstorders-20-2011

    I suspect it might be a reciprocal agreement where Russia buys these two French helos and France helps market Mi-34Cs for the lighter helicopter market in Europe.

    As long as the French helos are made in Russia in a factory Russia gets to keep then I think this could be good for both parties.

    Certainly when compared with other areas of the Russian MIC the Russian helicopter industry actually appears to be relatively healthy and will likely deliver over 500 helicopters to the Russian military alone by 2020, and exports in some weight classes is very good.

    New Helos like the Mi-34C and the Berkut offer potential in the light and very light helicopter market with very competitive prices.

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