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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:06 am

    Last I read they are still installing security cameras in the assembly shop. They are also installing it in ISS.

    I don't understand reasoning of some people. They install it in one but that equals they won't install it in the other? Does that even make sense? Unless one thinks it requires an entire year's budget to install security cameras, I think some are not realizing the concept of security.

    I mean company I work for installed cameras (something like over 30 cameras) in one facility and it didn't cost that much anyway
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:33 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    When next spacecraft crashes and people die will you tell me how it is a great triumph of Russian space program because now they know at what temperature human who wears spacesuit gets roasted alive?

    so you'd stop every Russian manned flight? wow


    The testing of engines for the "Union", working on new fuel


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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Mar 07, 2019 11:35 am

    US went through how many dead before space shuttle was cancelled for good? No lives lost yet someone here wants to stop manned space flights?

    I know one hates Rogozin, but they are more or less calling for firing over hundred thousand people because of their own hate for a single person?
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    Post  kvs on Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:26 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:US went through how many dead before space shuttle was cancelled for good?  No lives lost yet someone here wants to stop manned space flights?

    I know one hates Rogozin, but they are more or less calling for firing over hundred thousand people because of their own hate for a single person?

    The tone from this clown is clear: he hates Russians. All the non sequitur, defamatory attacks. Another V7 "russophile".

    To claim that the drill damage in the Russian capsule dates back years to the assembly line is retarded BS. It was obviously
    done on the ISS. And the local Yanqui chimps are the most likely suspects.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:20 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Last I read they are still installing security cameras in the assembly shop. ....

    This is what they should be advertising



    miketheterrible wrote:They are also installing it in ISS....

    And this here makes no sense unless they are planning to livestream it 24/7 for PR purposes

    Otherwise they come off looking as paranoid clowns (more than usual that is)



    GunshipDemocracy wrote:...so you'd stop every Russian manned flight?

    And how did you come to that conclusion? Because I said nothing of the sorts.



    miketheterrible wrote: No lives lost yet someone here wants to stop manned space flights?

    Komarov, Dobrovolski, Volkov and Patsayev would disagree on that. Why does everyone pretend that Russia has some spotless safety track record?

    Hague and Ovchinin got lucky but luck will not last forever. Next time some idiot will damage escape system in addition to booster.



    miketheterrible wrote:I know one hates Rogozin, but they are more or less calling for firing over hundred thousand people because of their own hate for a single person?

    Only three people: moron who drilled the hole, moron who hammered the booster and moron in charge of the whole clownshow.

    That's it. Problem solved.



    kvs wrote:To claim that the drill damage in the Russian capsule dates back years to the assembly line is retarded BS. It was obviouslydone on the ISS. And the local Yanqui chimps are the most likely suspects.

    So Yankees snuck into Russian segment and drilled a hole without damaging insulation? Or did a secret EVA to drill a hole without cutting anything or leaving a trace?

    According to you those two Russian cosmonauts who investigated the damage are either blind, stupid, incompetent, corrupt or all of the above because they didn't find a single trace of exterior damage.

    Maybe this is why they want cameras on ISS? To keep an eye on incompetent cosmonauts?

    Hole was drilled during assembly, confirmed by FSB.

    This ''Americans ate my homework'' is some kindergarten level nonsense.



    kvs wrote:The tone from this clown is clear: he hates Russians.

    If you have issues with my tone you are free to not read, this has nothing to do with love.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:20 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:...so you'd stop every Russian manned flight?

    And how did you come to that conclusion? Because I said nothing of the sorts.

    because you say they re not safe? do we agree that the show must go on? But personal reforms need to be carried out? good that is exactly what's going on now.


    Paps wrote:omarov, Dobrovolski, Volkov and Patsayev would disagree on that. Why does everyone pretend that Russia has some spotless safety track record?
    Hague and Ovchinin got lucky but luck will not last forever. Next time some idiot will damage escape system in addition to booster.

    They were flying in Soyuz  ? or morons  with hammers were there? RIP

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    None of US astronauts died in Roscosmos ships you know.



    Paps wrote:Only three people: moron who drilled the hole, moron who hammered the booster and moron in charge of the whole clownshow. That's it. Problem solved.

    not really,   unless you know better what happened  then FSB does.

    Ekh would you expect CEO follow every worker in 250,000 personnel company ? affraid affraid affraid


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:27 am

    @Paps - Rogozin at work thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup


    Moscow authorities want to allocate 8 billion rubles for the creation of the National Space Center


    The complex is expected to start operation in January 2020.
    MOSCOW, March 7th. / TASS /. Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin submitted to the Moscow City Duma a draft law on changes to the city budget for 2019, according to which the authorities of the capital plan to allocate 8 billion rubles for the creation of the National Space Center (NCC).

    On February 27, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the creation of an NCC in Moscow, which should start work in January 2020. Dmitry Medvedev, Prime Minister of the Russian Federation, Dmitry Rogozin, head of Roscosmos, and Sergey Sobyanin, mayor of Moscow, were appointed to be responsible for organizing the work on the center. They must submit the corresponding report by January 15, 2020. Later, Roskosmos announced the start of the creation of the NCC on the basis of the Khrunichev Center in the Fili region.

    "8 billion rubles - for the participation of the city in the project to create a National Space Center," - said in an explanatory note to the bill, published on the Moscow City Duma website on Thursday .

    These funds will be allocated by increasing the projected income of the city budget. According to the document, the income and expenses of the capital budget are proposed to increase by 136.9 billion rubles, and the budget deficit to remain unchanged at 276 billion rubles.

    It is assumed that the aerospace cluster will also include the head units of the main organizations of the rocket and space industry, design bureaus, specialized structural subdivisions of research and educational organizations. According to Roskosmos, measures will be required to free up unclaimed production areas, to form a more compact production of the Khrunichev Center itself, to create a joint venture with the Moscow government, to design and construct a complex of buildings. In one place 20 thousand designers and engineers of Roscosmos will be assembled.

    In turn, the deputy mayor of Moscow, Marat Khusnullin, indicated that the total area of ​​the center’s facilities would reach 250 thousand square meters. At the same time, the development of the area and the construction of an automobile and pedestrian bridge across the Moscow River, as well as linking with the Terekhovo metro station under construction will be required. In Roskosmos, the general term of the project implementation was named - from three to four years, taking into account the regulatory deadlines for the design and construction of a complex of buildings.

    Economic effect
    At the same time, this project involves the acceleration of the Khrunichev Center financial recovery plan. According to Rogozin, due to the release of surplus areas and the transition to modern technologies of electricity, heat and water supply, the annual costs of aerospace enterprises will decrease by 229 million rubles. In addition, due to the implementation of the sites and the creation of a joint venture with the Moscow authorities, the Khrunichev Center will be able to pay off loans with banks more quickly.

    In addition, enterprises of Roscosmos, which will move to the future NCC, will save on land tax and electricity. Thus, the status of a technopark resident will save up to 100 million rubles a year in land, property and transport tax; switching to modern technologies of electricity, heat and water supply will save 242 million rubles a year. Some organizations currently rent premises, expenses amount to 265 million rubles a year. The total savings is 607 million rubles a year, Rogozin estimated.

    It is noted that the construction will be fully conducted at the expense of Moscow. The funds of the state corporation will be spent on the arrangement of enterprises, the collection of all the necessary production cycles and stages on the territory of about 50 hectares. On the Roscosmos website, it is noted that the total economic effect of the project will amount to 44.6 billion rubles, while directly for the Khrunichev Center - 33.3 billion rubles.
    https://tass.ru/ekonomika/6197975
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:14 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:@Paps - Rogozin at work

    Moscow authorities want to allocate 8 billion rubles for the creation of the National Space Center

    Yeah at work wasting time, money and not doing his job.

    So this is latest off topic nonsense he will use to distract from the fact that he is incompetent blowhard moron now that Medvedev tore him a new one over bullsh*t fantasy space projects?

    He graduated to bullsh*t terrestrial projects.

    He will open space center? Congratulations, you already have one.

    He could have at least moved​ it outside already overbloathed Moscow.



    GunshipDemocracy wrote:do we agree that the show must go on?

    Yes, after they identify morons who are making it unsafe, not before.



    GunshipDemocracy wrote:They were flying in Soyuz ? or morons with hammers were there? RIP

    USA can roast every single one of their astronauts and it would still not change the fact that Russia has morons assembling their spacecraft and running their space program.



    GunshipDemocracy wrote:None of US astronauts died in Roscosmos ships you know.

    Through no fault of Roskosmos.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:35 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:@Paps  - Rogozin at work  
    Moscow authorities want to allocate 8 billion rubles for the creation of the National Space Center

    Yeah at work wasting time, money and not doing his job.

    nope, that's is precisely his job. Have you ever seen Jeff Bezos (o Zukerberg) running after every server room in Amazon/FB? Good, neither did I.




    PD wrote:So this is latest off topic nonsense he will use to distract from the fact that he is incompetent blowhard moron now that Medvedev tore him a new one over bullsh*t fantasy space projects?

    He graduated to bullsh*t terrestrial projects.

    seriously ? you didnt really read this article, did you? or you'd prefer them to sit in old leaking roof buildings ?

    1) This is financially good move freeing resources for other projects.
    On the Roscosmos website, it is noted that the total economic effect of the project will amount to 44.6 billion rubles, while directly for the Khrunichev Center - 33.3 billion rubles.



    2) Cluster is proven practice in west. BTW did Musk anything else?
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    3) new buildings, infra, networks server rooms on top level is wrong but old shaggy building is good?


    It is assumed that the aerospace cluster will also include the head units of the main organizations of the rocket and space industry, design bureaus, specialized structural subdivisions of research and educational organizations. According to Roskosmos, measures will be required to free up unclaimed production areas, to form a more compact production of the Khrunichev Center itself, to create a joint venture with the Moscow government, to design and construct a complex of buildings. In one place 20 thousand designers and engineers of Roscosmos will be assembled.


    4) Putin ordered this . do you believe without with any feasibility or Sov Fed consultations ?

    On February 27, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the creation of an NCC in Moscow, which should start work in January 2020. Dmitry Medvedev, Prime Minister of the Russian Federation, Dmitry Rogozin, head of Roscosmos, and Sergey Sobyanin, mayor of Moscow, were appointed to be responsible for organizing the work on the center.




    PD wrote:He will open space center? Congratulations, you already have one.
    no, they dont




    PD wrote:He could have at least moved​ it outside already overbloathed Moscow.

    well, then Sobianin is a moron who knows Moscow's reality worse then you do affraid affraid affraid



    PD wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:do we agree that the show must go on?
    Yes, after they identify morons who are making it unsafe, not before.

    so you got insider in FSB or what? we dont know what's happening there. Catching psycho/or saboteur is not as important as changing procedures or engagement. This is process. Process has BTW started.






    PD wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:They were flying in Soyuz  ? or morons  with hammers were there? RIP

    USA can roast every single one of their astronauts and it would still not change the fact that Russia has morons assembling their spacecraft and running their space program.

    your grudge against Rogozin is not letting you to think logically. You're reacting on him like G.Kiwi.B on VSTOL lol1 lol1 lol1 .
    They continue with cooperation Roscosmos no worry. thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:37 am

    Roscosmos will launch four Irtysh missiles as part of flight tests


    The first tests are scheduled for 2022
    MOSCOW, March 8. / TASS /. The flight test program of the Soyuz-5 (Irtysh) promising carrier rocket includes four launches. This was reported by TASS on Friday at the Progress Rocket and Space Center (RCC) (part of Roscosmos).

    "The flight test program provides four launches of the Soyuz-5," the RCC noted.

    The first tests are scheduled for 2022; for this purpose, the rocket will be manufactured and installed at the Baikonur cosmodrome. Now work on the creation of a medium-class launch vehicle Soyuz-5 (Irtysh) is being carried out in accordance with the approved technical specifications and the contract concluded with Energia Rocket and Space Corporation, specified in Progress RCC.

    In the Rocket and Space Center they are also engaged in the technical re-equipment of production and the organization of workplaces for assembling and testing media.

    The Soyuz-5 medium-class rocket can be used to launch the Federation manned spacecraft into low near-earth orbit. Earlier, the General Director of Roscosmos, Dmitry Rogozin, said on his Twitter page about the assembly of the first RD-171MV engine for the Soyuz-5 LV.

    https://tass.ru/kosmos/6198658
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    Post  Vann7 on Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:46 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Roscosmos CEO issues orders to install CCTV cameras on Russian segment of ISS

    More:
    http://tass.com/science/1047725

    So they aren't installing cameras on the spacecraft assembly line where endless stream of unsupervised idiots are running loose with power tools but they are installing it on ISS?

    Did they provide any explanation? Are they afraid that Americans will steal their space toilet?

    Morons every last one of them, Trampoline Man first and foremost...

    I bet $20 dollars that this guy is a foreign disinformation Agent..  if not it have to be
    the biggest troll on internet .  He completely ignore Roscosmos reports , findings ,that it
    was intentional sabotage and that NASA astronauts were also suspects and defends his NASA
    friends all the time..

    For me it all makes perfect sense why will NASA sabotage the Russian segment.
    If i wanted to discredit Russia endless hints..  that NASA never went to the moon
    in the Apollo program..that it was all staged.. as RT have been doing and Russian government
    tops aids of Putin hinting and now Roscosmons chief too . the best way to discredit Russia claims
    of NASA fake landing in the moon.. (As it was) is by doing something that will not make sense at all
    so that when Russia report about it ,their credibility will be questioned..

    So the entire sabotage of Soyuz will make a lot of sense if the intention was only to label
    Russia as a "conspirational theorist" nation. If for example a NASA astronaut drills a hole
    from the inside (as Russia governent investigation hints it was the most probable case)
    if the intention was not to kill anyone , but only a light sabotage ,that they themselves will
    later help to find its location.. to repair it.. asabotage done only , with the intention to Discredit Russia government ,when they blame NASA for the sabotage of it.  

    NASA needs to discredit any claims the apollo program was fake.. before they do a real moon landing.. otherwise they risk ..that when they land for real ,nobody will give credit to NASA
    if they do it for real . So the best way to discredit those who question NASA ,is to do something
    impossible to believe , for an Astronaut.. like terrorism in space.. so that it will be impossible
    to find a logic for it... unless their goal was only ,to put into question Russia credibility
    when NASA blamed for the sabotage ,after Russia do its investigation..  

    It will be impossible to use a screw driver machine and drill a hole in earth without others not notice
    the noise.. in space the noise can be hidden since sound inside the space station , don't travel in
    outside in space.. So they could have done it ,easily drill a hole ,when both astronauts outside ,to send a clear message to Putin the idiot that there is a real war against Russia and that Russia will not find peace or will not be safe not even in space. and that if Russia tells the truth of who did the sabotage.. they will be called crazy conspirator.. since no astronaut will do that if put their life at risk.  Notice how NASA Astronauts helped Russian cosmonauts to quickly find the place of the escape of oxygen. So they knew where the hole was.. they did it..  is unlikely that any Russian
    will drill a hole in Soyuz on earth,and later cover it with glue ,unless it was a terrorist infiltration..

    and they did not had problems when traveling to the ISS.. all the problems began when they were inside in the ISS. .  This is why Russia asked NASA a medical record of NASA astronauts as part of the investigation...something that NASA REJECTED to give... so why no cooperation with Russia investigation?  Obviously Roscosmons was hinting that NASA was behind the terrorist sabotage of soyuz..  And the installation of Cameras inside the space station on the Russian module ,is the ULTIMATE PROOF that Russia don't trust NASA in the space station..

    This is simple logic... not rocket science.. but for people with brain dysfunction or  just paid Trolls
    will comes always suck the dick of US whenever any negative report surface about them..  Laughing

    I critisize US government ,and Putin equally.. one for terrorism and liars ,and the other for massive mediocre weak Leadership and absolute incompetence in countering their western adversaries.

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    Post  Vann7 on Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:58 am

    more news.
    Thanks to Putin.. the retarded president.


    Russia space program left far behind with NASA latest docking in ISS..




    During the interview, Lukashevich says there are good reasons for the Russians to feel threatened. (In the quote below, he references Roscosmos leader Dmitry Rogozin, who was sanctioned by the US government in 2014 and thereafter suggested NASA should use a trampoline to get to space.)

    With this launch, even if it was ordered by NASA, this private company SpaceX has made Roscosmos null and void. They have shown Roscosmos who’s who. Everyone remembers Rogozin’s remarks about trampolines and such, so in fact this isn’t just resentment, it is a constant major headache for Roscosmos. In the first place, the congratulations message was late. Second, Roscosmos sent out two congratulation tweets, one in English, and another completely different text in Russian. So of course, this is a sign of resentment, it is the reaction of an unreliable leader who is lagging behind, so really it was strange they (Roscosmos) reacted at all. Bear in mind Roscosmos in fact never gave their approval for the docking. They voiced a number of technical concerns, perhaps even with some basis, but we saw that the docking was simply brilliant as it took place. So, yes, this was a reaction of someone left behind.


    https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/03/with-dragon-russian-critic-says-roscosmos-acting-left-behind/

    So the entire American media is celebrating and beating their chest ,how they eclipse
    Russia in space with a more advanced Rocket engine and they do have right to praise
    this major achievement of SPACE-X which is a new name for NASA by the way.. a cover agency
    for NASA since best engineers moved there and gov funding runs the company.

    So this is how Putin helps Russia "earn respect" and earns leadership , by allowing his enemies to defeat Russia space program in everything they were leading. Laughing   If this is not treason ,
    the no idea what is... Putin weakness ,and lack of vision of Russia role in the world..
    passiveness and failure to counter enemies ,and outdated policies is the Biggest security
    threat Russia face for its own existence.  No

    Putin needs to be removed from power before is too late ,he will not resign by his own .
    I will preffer Rogozin a million times over Putin as President. he do have ambitions in space
    contrary to Putin and Medvedev.. 3 cosmonauts resigned for lack of progress of Russia space program... in my opinion every one in Roscosmos needs to to resign in protest until Putin removed
    and the Government properly fund the space program with the goal to eclipse NASA in space.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Mar 09, 2019 3:51 am

    So they aren't installing cameras on the spacecraft assembly line where endless stream of unsupervised idiots are running loose with power tools but they are installing it on ISS?

    Did they provide any explanation? Are they afraid that Americans will steal their space toilet?

    If they are installing cameras in the Russian portion of the ISS, it suggests the problem is there and not in the factories... of course for all we know they might already have cameras in the factories too.

    The point is that the camera needs to be in the right place to be of any use at all, and someone planning to do something they shouldn't are not going to do it in plain view of a camera to record their misdeeds.

    You go over that footage after those buckets crash in order to determine who is responsible.

    So pretty fing useless for the people who die in the crash really... surely prevention is better than cure?

    They wish they had footage now to figure out who hammers in rocket components and drills holes on capsules.

    Well clearly they don't because cameras in the Russian portion of the ISS will never show them such things...

    When jobs get done in a factory certain people are responsible for doing them... you don't need a camera to tell you which person is responsible for assembling different parts or sections...

    Instead those morons are still running loose unsupervised.

    Wonderful you are happy to tarnish everyone on the project with the same brush, I guess using the same loose broad blame brush we can blame you personally for a lot of things that have happened in your neck of the woods... clinton and allbright can be absolved because you didn't stop it...

    How long do you think they can ride on luck alone?

    Don't worry about it, they have no idea and are totally incompetent and would never be put in charge of a countries space programme...

    When next spacecraft crashes and people die will you tell me how it is a great triumph of Russian space program because now they know at what temperature human who wears spacesuit gets roasted alive?

    How would any even get to that point of a crash... they are so incompetent Russia wouldn't have a space programme...

    No they didn't, they still use multi piece design.

    Their new ones for space walks have a backpack that opens like a door that you climb in to... you still have to check the seals but it takes about 45 minutes to put on instead of the 7 + hours the American original that was made up of segments and joints that pretty much was assembled on the person...

    I mean company I work for installed cameras (something like over 30 cameras) in one facility and it didn't cost that much anyway

    An Australian company I worked for had cameras installed and nobody spoke to the people who installed them on being trained on how to use them so no one knows. I have IT training but I wasn't a manager so they didn't want to give me that level of power and access... so there are real cameras there but no one can use them.... they might as well have paid a fraction of the price and put in dummy cameras...

    And this here makes no sense unless they are planning to livestream it 24/7 for PR purposes

    Otherwise they come off looking as paranoid clowns (more than usual that is)

    Ever been to the UK?

    CCD central... if you have nothing to hide then you should not object...

    Komarov, Dobrovolski, Volkov and Patsayev would disagree on that. Why does everyone pretend that Russia has some spotless safety track record?

    And how would cameras have saved them?

    The lessons learned from those accidents are included in the development of all new systems and procedures and space craft...


    Only three people: moron who drilled the hole, moron who hammered the booster and moron in charge of the whole clownshow.

    That's it. Problem solved.

    Really... mr genius... so what about all the checks and paper work that does with everything... how many people signed off on things forced in upside down, but lets listen to you answer of... assuming it was two morons making fucking stupid mistakes, or even two foreign agents actively sabotaging things WTF does that have to do with the Boss... how could you possibly hold him responsible for the actions of these two foreign agents... unless you were being a dick?


    Hole was drilled during assembly, confirmed by FSB.

    This ''Americans ate my homework'' is some kindergarten level nonsense.

    Why not blame the Americans... they are working very hard to replace Russian engines they need to get into space... do you think they will continue to cooperate with Russia after they have completed development of new engines and have them in production?

    If it happened in their portion of the ISS Fox News would immediately claim it is highly likely a Russian did it and let the sanctions and list of diplomats to be kicked out begin...

    Yes, after they identify morons who are making it unsafe, not before.

    So they have to stop everything while you have a McCarthy type witch hunt... right...

    USA can roast every single one of their astronauts and it would still not change the fact that Russia has morons assembling their spacecraft and running their space program.

    But doesn't that suggest removing two, as you call them morons, wont actually change the fact that what they are doing is fucking dangerous and people are going to die whether you have a genius tightening screws or a monkey calculating fuel levels and thrust timings for orbit.

    Listen Vann, why have you hijacked PDs account... or is it Vanns older brother who thinks everything in Russia is messed up but unlike Vann stops short of blaming Putin for everything... blames lower level people instead...

    Through no fault of Roskosmos.

    .... yeah... they just need to try harder....

    your grudge against Rogozin is not letting you to think logically. You're reacting on him like G.Kiwi.B on VSTOL

    The difference is that I am right.

    If you could show me something that was like what the F-35B was supposed to be like, then it might be worth the effort and money, but at best they might achieve what the F-35B is, which is totally inferior to the other models let alone what a modified Su-57 could be... in the high and low mix they have gone with the low at sea... if they could have had naval F-22s I am pretty sure they would have had a more formidable carrier capability not that it will make much difference against Russia or China, but against everyone else which is who they use it against it will be a real challenge and offer an impossible task for most third world countries.


    So the entire American media is celebrating and beating their chest ,how they eclipse
    Russia in space with a more advanced Rocket engine and they do have right to praise
    this major achievement of SPACE-X which is a new name for NASA by the way.. a cover agency
    for NASA since best engineers moved there and gov funding runs the company.

    A split is inevitable... the US is going to say it is their ball and go home... and Russia will separate its parts of the ISS and all the other ISS partners will be bullied by the US to not be friends with Russia and go with the US... which will be a blow to Russia, but they will get over it and it will eventually make them stronger.

    Getting rid of the US and her stooges means the Russian military can take a much bigger role in the Russian space programme which will benefit both sides and lead to better developments of new weapons and propulsion systems with military applications... and they wont need to share that stuff with the US or anyone else if they don't want to.

    They will be free to team up with India and China and any other independent thinking country and not have to put up with American and western bullshit.
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    Post  kvs on Sat Mar 09, 2019 5:22 am

    The ISS is an enormously expensive vanity project. None of the science done on it requires this size of station. And the science
    has not been that spectacular. Mir had a lot of new low g experiments and Russia separating its sections and converting them into
    Mir 2 would be doing quite well.

    The only reason the Yanqui debils have not taken their ball home yet is because they still need Russia to get to the station. In fact,
    Russia is the only carrier of people to the ISS. Period. Neither ESA nor JAXA operate man-rated rockets. NASA is waiting for Musk
    et al. to deliver one. Without Russia, the ISS would be empty for approaching 8 years now. But some two bit Russia hater still
    likes to piss on it for "failing". LOL. Must be the brain rotting NATO-phile newthink. We saw it at work in the Euro-Maidan in Ukraine
    in winter of 2013/14. Anything farther west is a write off.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Mar 09, 2019 5:34 am

    GarryB wrote:The difference is that I am right.

    What a way to win an argument lol1

    And here I was about to reply in length, this approach definitely saves time especially on touchscreen.



    GarryB wrote:Russian military can take a much bigger role in the Russian space programme

    Only thing military cares about or needs are light and medium sized satellites.

    Only thing that will happen if military gets saddled with Roskosmos is that their vastly superior launch track record will suffer as a result of association with entity under control of Walking Argument in Favor of Involuntarily Euthanasia.

    Militaries have no use for manned or deep space missions.




    Only thing Roskosmos is good at is stuff like planning, considering, mulling, contemplating, theorising and anticipating.

    In the meantime we will still be waiting for news about Russian space program that are not centered on words like crash, malfunction, delay, suspension or cancelation.



    Entire Russian space industry is still just rebranded Soviet stuff and not even later Soviet stuff, that was too complicated for them so it was all disposed of.



    Russia has long history of "promoting" politically troublesome incompetent morons into irelevant positions out of sight and out of mind but fact that chief of space program has become one of those positions paints a sad picture.



    But everybody is free to blame all other their f***kups on someone else. Everything is always someone else's fault. Accepting responsibility is out of the question.

    As for myself, I see that type of behavior every single day at work. And we do not tolerate it. If schoolkids are under obligation to accept personal responsibility then government officials can not be freed of it either.


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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:10 am

    Last time I checked replacing the soyuz is not necisary and would mearly waste funding for more relevant projects.

    All the R&D aswell as funding goes into the strategic nuclear forces rather than the creation of some kind of space circus.

    If you want to see bears riding monocycles in other star systems you can wait until the end of Cold War II oops we lost our minds delux edition

    A space circus is an expensive thing to run and untill funds have been secured to waste the R&D department can keep improving the showplan.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Mar 09, 2019 7:01 pm

    R&D goes to new heavy lunch systems, robots, nuclear engines and perhaps also Ajax orbital Bombers.  Roscosmos needs serious upgrde in funding/engagement/assembly facilities /production processes. . That's why Putin sent hot to clean those Augean sables. Nobody before him didn't even try to remove high ranked mangers.


    And now for Paps - idiot with drill right? wait but but he was not from Roscosmos! bombs on passenger planes is ok but drilling Soyuz not?

    BTW should get life long term like But.

    An employee of the US embassy tried to carry a mine with a fuse in Sheremetyevo in luggage

    The Russian Foreign Ministry considers this incident a deliberate provocation
    MOSCOW, March 9th. / TASS /. An employee of the US embassy tried to smuggle a mine with a fuse in Sheremetyevo airport on Saturday morning, but without an explosive. This Tass reported in the Foreign Ministry.

    As noted in the Russian diplomatic service, Washington is trying to test the reliability of ensuring Russia's security not only from the outside, regularly arranging provocative raids of warships and aircraft near the borders of Russia, but also from the inside. "On the morning of March 9, at the entrance from the street to the terminal D of Moscow Sheremetyevo Airport, when an employee of the US Embassy was checked through the baggage, an object resembling a mortar bomb was identified," the agency’s source said. , although his tracks were present inside the hull. "

    The employee of the American diplomatic mission, as was informed by the Foreign Ministry, was leaving Russia at the end of the trip and claimed that he had acquired an empty mine "for his personal collection." "Since the American was late for the flight as a result, he was helped to reissue the ticket, and at 14:35 he flew to New York without any obstacles. Without a mine," the ministry said.

    “The US Embassy was immediately notified of the incident by the linear department of the Russian Interior Ministry at Sheremetyevo Airport,” the Russian diplomat stressed. “We hope that it will explain the behavior of its employee.”

    On Smolensk Square, they also paid attention to the fact that, taking into account the highest attention that the United States itself, after the terrorist attacks of 2001 paid to ensuring security on air transport, an employee of the American embassy "simply could not understand that the mine in luggage is very serious." “So, I went consciously to take such a step,” the Foreign Ministry concluded.

    https://tass.ru/proisshestviya/6201242
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Mar 09, 2019 7:10 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:And now for Paps - idiot with drill right? wait but but he was not from Roscosmos! bombs on passenger planes is ok but drilling Soyuz not?

    Nice attempt to divert topic (not really)

    Again, what does this have to do with the fact that Roskosmos is staffed with morons who are being covered for by other morons in futile effort to save face?

    Completely unrelated stuff and pretty pathetic attempt to, again, blame someone else.

    There was a Russian soldier who killed family of 5 in Armenia and yet it has nothing to do with the fact that US military screwed up in Afghanistan.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:46 am

    PapaDragon wrote:Nice attempt to divert topic (not really)

    no Sir, it is not. But this is pretty good evidence that sabotage can be an option ( in what I didn believe before). Embassy employee with explosives? so why not astronaut with drill same level of lunacy.



    PD wrote: with the fact that Roskosmos is staffed with morons who are being covered for by other morons in futile effort to save face?

    First of all this is not fact but your opinion. IMHO your recommendations to Rogozin wh a to do would work in small family enterprise , not in billions $ turnover l arge state owned one.

    In 250,000 staff enterprise, with years of mismanagement practices, under funding, theft Rogozin w appointed by Putin as man. Im not saying that he is perfect. Not really diplomatic (actually I prefer him then "mr i dont know" Oreskhin).

    Nonetheless first 7 moths in 2018 (hei only form my 2018) already brought impressive financial results. + couple of criminal cases what means cleaning started working.

    If you believe he should not talk about Roscosmoss plans then you need to look at any other corporation or space agency. NASA, ESA or Space X dotn announce anything?



    NASA: Relevance to education and public benefits:
    Earth Science research motivates students and young scientists to pursue scientific careers by
    engaging them in educational activities and research to decipher signals of the global, integrated
    Earth system. NASA helps improve public understanding of advances and discoveries made in
    modeling the Earth as a global integrated system, and the potential societal benefits, such as
    improved forecasting for hazards such as hurricanes.
    https://www.nasa.gov/pdf/210019main_NASA_FY09_Budget_Estimates.pdf





    Rogozins ideas bout consolidation, cos optimizations,design automation look both reasonable an see doable. Will they be implemented properly? To evaluate that you need to wit 3-4 years to see.




    very good.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:50 am

    so why not astronaut with drill

    Because not only is very idea insanely idiotic but also we had two cosmonauts going on EVA on live video to check out the hull and there were no traces of anyone messing with the external layer which they would have to do in order to damage the hull itself.

    Interior was checked beforehand​ and they found nothing hence need for EVA.

    How would anyone go on unscheduled EVA without cosmonauts and Roskosmos mission control immediately noticing?

    You claim that Roskosmos is not staffed by morons and yet you also claim that they missed unscheduled EVA on a space station they are in charge of monitoring 24/7?

    And keep in mind that one cosmonaut has to be awake while other one sleeps (same for Americans)

    Also despite popular belief crew members from USA&Co are not allowed to enter Russian ISS segments without permission (same goes other way around)



    Only complete idiot could come up with that sabotage fairy tale and as for people who honestly buy into the whole thing as number 1 explanation I'll keep quiet because language required to describe them would land me another month ban from thought police.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:22 am

    What a way to win an argument

    What argument?

    Discussion has no winners.

    Only thing military cares about or needs are light and medium sized satellites.

    You know them so well... and can you say why they will be giving up the high ground in any confrontation with the US or west?

    Militaries have no use for manned or deep space missions.

    Russia currently has little use either, but holding the high ground and developing new propulsion and technology are all pretty useful to both Russia and the Russian military.

    Only thing Roskosmos is good at is stuff like planning, considering, mulling, contemplating, theorising and anticipating.

    Your indepth assessment of them is interesting but considering your overall disdain for the organisation, I would want a second opinion... and a third to be honest.


    In the meantime we will still be waiting for news about Russian space program that are not centered on words like crash, malfunction, delay, suspension or cancelation.

    The words of an experienced project manager... clearly...

    Entire Russian space industry is still just rebranded Soviet stuff and not even later Soviet stuff, that was too complicated for them so it was all disposed of.

    Interesting claim, so are we talking 1980s Soviet stuff or 1970s?

    Russia has long history of "promoting" politically troublesome incompetent morons into irelevant positions out of sight and out of mind but fact that chief of space program has become one of those positions paints a sad picture.

    Well to be honest, the space agency is an area that really does not directly effect most Russian people, but again, it is amusing you are suggesting they are incompetent. Compared with say the British Space Agency or the Serbian one how about a quick run down of their serious flaws and problems...

    But everybody is free to blame all other their f***kups on someone else. Everything is always someone else's fault. Accepting responsibility is out of the question.

    So what you are saying is that when something breaks or crashes or is delayed or suspended or even cancelled whomever is in charge should fall on their sword and take full responsibility... you know... like western politicians do... before investigations or analysis of what was actually the problem... yeah OK but in the next 5 years when they have had 50 different people in charge of the place how are you going to start picking people suitable for the job and with the right skills and qualifications... a random ballot... or just pick someone off the street?

    As for myself, I see that type of behavior every single day at work. And we do not tolerate it. If schoolkids are under obligation to accept personal responsibility then government officials can not be freed of it either.

    Do you hold yourself to the same standard?

    When a schoolboy fails a test is the headmaster removed from his cushy privileged position and summarily sacked in front of the whole school?

    Do you fire the childs teacher too... I mean a clear failure to communicate there... how about the Parents... what punishments do they endure for bringing up such a stupid child... maybe it wasn't stupidity... maybe that child is a foreign agent and failed on purpose to bring your school into disrepute?

    The CIA could have infiltrated your local population... they do shit like that you know...

    Again, what does this have to do with the fact that Roskosmos is staffed with morons who are being covered for by other morons in futile effort to save face?

    Are you suggesting that somewhere there is a government agency staffed with genius's who don't cover each others asses in the hope that one day the ass that gets covered is theirs?
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:04 pm

    Roscosmos will launch four Irtysh missiles as part of flight tests

    MOSCOW, March 8. / TASS /. The flight test program of the Soyuz-5 (Irtysh) promising carrier rocket includes four launches. This was reported by TASS on Friday at the Progress Rocket and Space Center (RCC) (part of Roscosmos).

    "The flight test program provides four launches of the Soyuz-5," the RCC noted.

    The first tests are scheduled for 2022; for this purpose, the rocket will be manufactured and installed at the Baikonur cosmodrome. Now work on the creation of a medium-class launch vehicle Soyuz-5 (Irtysh) is being carried out in accordance with the approved technical specifications and the contract concluded with Energia Rocket and Space Corporation, specified in Progress RCC.

    In the Rocket and Space Center they are also engaged in the technical re-equipment of production and the organization of workplaces for assembling and testing media.

    The Soyuz-5 medium-class rocket can be used to launch the Federation manned spacecraft into low near-earth orbit. Earlier, the General Director of Roscosmos, Dmitry Rogozin, said on his Twitter page about the assembly of the first RD-171MV engine for the Soyuz-5 LV.

    https://tass.ru/kosmos/6198658



    PapaDragon wrote:
    You claim that Roskosmos is not staffed by morons and yet you also claim that they missed unscheduled EVA on a space station they are in charge of monitoring 24/7?


    Damn, and those same morons are designing/building Angara, Federtsya, Irtysh or testing Sarmat unshaven unshaven unshaven





    s for sabotage, with US diplomats bringing bombs on Russian civilian airports everything is to me possible. But ground sbotge, not idiot but deliberate ground job. Who and why?


    No idiot, professional hired by by mangers dont like to be prosecuted for frauds and wnt to discredit Robozin.
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    Post  kvs on Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:13 pm

    Since the point I am making may be too opaque for some, consider Ukraine. It had some of the principal military plants of the
    USSR. This includes the tank factories of Kharkov. PD bleats that making Soviet era stuff is a no brainer. Well, explain this,
    then, genius: why can't Ukraine crank out T-72s or T-80s by the hundred? All it can do is repair.

    The same "no brainer" pattern applies to the Ukrainian space industry, air craft industry and ship building industry. All they
    have to do is just to chimp Soviet era designs with Soviet era factories. But that isn't happening. Apparently, PDs Mickey Mouse
    theories are not worth much.

    What is it with westerners and westerner wannabes (like PD) that they can't control their racist denigration of Russians. This
    broken record has been there for centuries in spite of the fact that Russians keep handing these western "ubermenschen" their
    a**es over and over. Intelligent humans would learn and move on. But autistic degenerates would keep repeating the same
    mistake over and over.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:30 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:.....
    Damn, and those same morons are designing/building Angara, Federtsya, Irtysh or testing Sarmat  

    Angara: late
    Irtysh: delayed

    https://ria.ru/20190302/1551494698.html
    As a reason for the creation of the Angara AARC for so long (21 years, from 1993 to 2014), Nesterov indicated insufficient funding. “From 1993 to 2006, that is, for the first 13 years of creation, Angara allocated less than 4% of the necessary funds.

    I'd love to see you catching up with 4% financing. Wait but, tbut this was all Rogozins fault? right.



    PD wrote:Federation: delayed (considering that entire design team just ran off to private sector this one seem poised to join Clipper)
    But hey, space tourism!  lol1

    1 tester and four designers? yup, and where? wit to space tourism lol1 lol1 lol1
    You know one will go another will come. Why not better smarter?



    Sarmat: ICBM not spacecraft

    would you suggest, Sir, it doesn't require skills or quality/process management ? What a Face What a Face What a Face


    PD wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:.....as for sabotage, with US diplomats bringing bombs on Russian civilian airports everything is to me possible.

    Again, completely irrelevant (unless you consider mortar shell to be high-tech)

    Again very relevant. This is the best proof that level of insanity in Fashington is so high that any sabotage/terror cn be possible. now



    PD wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:.....But ground sbotge, not idiot but deliberate ground job. Who  and why?

    We can't know that because there is no footage of assembly process. It's good old honor system among the good old boys.

    And that's again Rogozins fault of what? .. BTW it's being installed now, on . No worries Dima will clean this filth from Roscosmos. One by one. thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup



    Paps wrote:Well they are wasting money because Rogozin is doing that job all by himself and far above even most optimistic expectations.

    sure, add then Putin is moron asking Rogozin to clean Roscosmos. V7 will luv ya lol! lol! lol!



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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Mar 10, 2019 8:48 pm

    I think there is no major rush for Angara since Soyuz 2 works fine and Proton is being chased out eventually but no major need for Angara right now.


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