Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

miketheterrible wrote:And with the fake news being spread, I think some people here need to back track in their claims about the poor news in the aerospace industry.  Cause the bad news was fake news.

it's like with composites for MS-21. What a rolling thunder over all "progressive" newspapers yesterday. Today turned out that comosite replacement programme started s of 2014 already. And today ll those experts are silent... I wonder why

Control Over Russia's Only Space Telescope Lost - Scientists

https://sputniknews.com/science/201901121071417624-russia-space-telescope-control/

Hopefully they can fix it (not that anyone​ knew they had it since they never bothered to publish any results, makes you wonder if it ever worked to begin with)

In the meantime somebody here can explain how this is actually a good thing for Russian space program as is customary every time SHTF...

Must see interview.. recently of Rogozin the head of Roscosmos...
explaining the challenges that Russia space program face..
and not surprising ,he indirectly throw some jabs at the retard president Putin..
for the slow speed in development of Russia space program.. for the
under funding of Russia space program..

So key points that Rogozin interview he clearly stated..

-Russia needs to restore the leadership in space..  BRAVO!!!!...  
-That the "they" ... (who is they ?)....  Russian Government/Putin  expect Russia space program
  to be on par with the Americans ones with just 1/20 of the American investment in space.  
-Rogozing clearly told in the interview that is very important the (MORON) President Putin properly
fund Russia space program.. yes MORE funding..because is very important for Russian future , influence
in the world.. Russia leadership in Space..  Rogozin was asking for that..
-He speak on China amazing achievements in the moon ,and space and how and he says that
 China space program is well funded..  (and so the Americans space program is well funded too..
the only space program not well funded is Russia space program.. thanks to the short sight clueless
Russian President.





now some of my several years old observations ...
We have to remember that it was the "genius" President Putin ,who CUT IN HALF ,Russia space funding..
while at same time spending $65 billions in meaningless olympics events and signing another whopping $200 billions project for a train to china .

Russia space program today , is about $800 to 1billion USD millions a year..
and while Putin the dumb , reduced by half , Russia space program , NASA
INCREASED theirs to up to $20 billions a year.. with budget already assigned for mars manned landing.

So is not that Russia don't have the money for a properly funded space program.. is that
Putin is so disconnected with what Russia really needs in the World ,to attract the west into a more
constructive relation with Russia or even start to disband the american system ,by attracting European
nations , into Russian orbit by being an unquestionable Leader in space..

The west only Respect used FORCE and Leadership.
They began to abandon Syria ,only when Turkey threatened to over Run American positions and
began to show Force and move with their tanks at Syrian borders..
And Putin do none of that..Neither use force against their top enemies and neither show world Leadership.
in things really matter for the west..to convince the west to abandon American business world or to convince americans to abandon their own cold war because can benefit enormously with a friendship with Russia.

Putin told ,you don't listened us,, now you will listen..(during the hypersonic conference) so guess what? Americans still don't listen Putin ,even after building hypersonics.. and withraw
from the INF treaty..   So shows the level of stupidity of Putin .is of epic proportions..
failed to influence Americans into friendship with his olympics circus.. and failed to convince Americans into
peace with his hypersonic missiles animations.  

Someone need to explain sooner or later to Putin  ,that the only thing Americans consider worth of respect is Power that is USED and LEADERSHIP in things that unanimously every developed western nation will dream to achieve because no everyone Likes it.. but very few or no one have done it. , And that if Russia had a clear LEAD in Space today ,like a manned landing in mars moons..safely and return.. then the west will be so in awe and busy celebrating Russia success ,that it will be impossible for Americans to continue with their cold war rhetoric against Russia ,even if they wanted it.. if even their entire population is excited about Russia pace program.  Even the queen of england ,asked for a meeting with Gagarin.. when he was the first man in space.. this is Leadership
effects in action.. you become a Hero for the world. Russia during soviet Union times ,became a hero
for the planet during a brief time.. the one that they achieved world leadership. this is because
every person.. every living human.. always likes to follow LEADERS.. whether is a person or a nation.  

Leadership ,Leadership ,and learship.. this are the 3 words that can only save Russia ,from a world war 3.
Leadership = Influence. When Nations wants to kill Russia.. as the Americans ,british and israelis wants..
and move to do it.. is because Russia failed to influence them. And Russia have ways could influence their
enemies.. with the USE of FORCE , that is leadership by Force or leadership by leadership in most influential business.

. in the times we live.. it should be Criminal.. and even treasonous , that the president in Russia don't properly fund Russia space program ,to LEAD the west.. and clearly Rogozin , told in the interview was happening.. Rogozing (jab at putin ).. his complain.. quote. " They want us to be on par with NASA future space projects (or better)  but with 1/20 of their funding." and underpaid scientist and technicians..  and he is 100% fucking Right. he only needs to slap the face of his president to get his boss to take more seriously  Russia Space program, the same way he does with Olympics.. in my opinion ,Putin should be arrested ,for expending so much in sport and lo little in space.  and people asked me for names , of people who can replace Putin..well  Rogozin will be far better president for Russia  than Putin.. at least he will do far better with Russia Space program and properly fund it.
That is an important thing ,not only for show ,but for Nation leadership and nation influence and ending Americans
influence in the world. not a small thing.

and a little bit update.. that proof my point..
A new scandal surface.. China scientist are saying NASA requested China for help for a moon mission to
the dark side of the moon.. they wanted to use China rocket and orbiter ..

Nasa wanted to use China’s spacecraft to plan a new American moon mission, top Chinese scientist says

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/2182253/nasa-wanted-use-chinas-spacecraft-plan-new-american-moon-mission

So Americans LOVE SPACE.. and they were even asking CHina help for a moon mission.. so whats going on here?
Didn't NASA mastered moon landing 50 years ago ? why they request China and Russia help ?
Can't they just restart and improve their previous saturn rocket?

Interview with Vladimir Degtyar about air launching:

https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.ru/https/vpk.name/news/241494_vladimir_degtyar_ispyitaniya_vozdushnogo_starta_vozmozhnyi_cherez_tri_goda.html

Superior Dmitry calls out Trampoline Man on his incessant bullsh*t


‘Talk less & do more’: Russian PM blasts leadership of country’s space agency

https://www.rt.com/russia/449629-roscosmos-medvedev-talk-less/

Russia’s Prime Minister Dmitri Medvedev has harshly criticized the top brass at the state space agency, urging them to talk less about future projects and focus on fixing outstanding issues instead.

“We should stop the project-mongering, quit blabbing about where we’ll fly to in 2030, we should work, talk less and do more,” Medvedev said on Wednesday during a meeting with the top executives of the Russian state-owned space corporation.

The agency was also tasked with fixing its “financial discipline” within a month, and urged to use the Ministry of Defense’s experience in this area as an example. The construction of the Vostochniy Cosmodrome remains the main issue, as it’s been marred by corruption scandals and is well behind schedule. The ultimate goal is to make the Russian space industry financially viable and lucrative, as its “competitors” are already there, Medvedev stated.

The remarks appeared to personally targeted the director of Roscosmos, Dmitry Rogozin, who attended the gathering as well. The veteran politician became the chief of Roscosmos last May. Before that, he served as deputy prime minister, overseeing the defense and space industries.

Rogozin is well known for groundbreaking statements on ambitious projects that refer to the distant future. Last November, for example, he unveiled an ambitious plan to establish a permanent base on the moon, which will be staffed by a type of sophisticated “avatar robot.” Such a base is expected to go online in the early 2030s, according to Rogozin.

Roscosmos, however, has experienced a string of setbacks over the past year. Several spaceships have crashed, including a crewed Soyuz-FG mission. Last October, a rocked malfunctioned moments after the launch from the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan, but the crew luckily escaped the near-death experience unharmed.

Apart from that, Rogozin’s term as the director of Roscosmos was marred by a large-scale scandal around a mysterious hole which was discovered on the Soyuz MS-09 spaceship, docked to the International Space Station (ISS). The discovery prompted a full-blown investigation in space, with Russian cosmonauts inspecting the faulty ship from the inside and outside. A hole was apparently drilled in the hull of the ship but culprit still remains unknown.

Last November, Roscosmos was also branded a “champion” in the field of violations by Alexey Kudrin – the chief of Russian financial watchdog, overseeing activities of state corporations. The company, however, insists that the said violations actually date back to before the new administration took over and actually were more about bad paperwork than corruption. The chief of Roscosmos press service, on his part, accused the media of waging a whole campaign to try and portray the company as the “largest debtor and a branch of industry which munches through federal cash.”

Last November, Roscosmos was also branded a “champion” in the field of violations by Alexey Kudrin

I dont like how Kudrin is trying hard to squeeze himself in this issue to build some sort of credibility. It stinks of a 5th columnist plot to further sabotage Russia of important projects.

Nibiru wrote:

Last November, Roscosmos was also branded a “champion” in the field of violations by Alexey Kudrin

I dont like how Kudrin is trying hard to squeeze himself in this issue to build some sort of credibility. It stinks of a 5th columnist plot to further sabotage Russia of important projects.

They don't need Kudrin to notice this, their incompetence is reaching memetic levels

Nobody is better at sabotaging Roskosmos than Roskosmos itself

And please skip that 5th columnist shtick, best thing that 5th column can do to damage Roskosmos is to just leave them alone and let them keep doing what they are doing already

PapaDragon wrote:
Superior Dmitry calls out Trampoline Man on his incessant bullsh*t  :
‘Talk less & do more’: Russian PM blasts leadership of country’s space agency

Look who's talking 3? If those words was said by somebody else they might men something. But Medvyedev nd hos promises since 2012


OK, now about your favorite Russian manger

The total revenue of Roscosmos organizations in 2019 will grow to 445 billion rubles

The head of the state corporation, Dmitry Rogozin, added that the company first had a net consolidated profit, which in 2019 is planned to increase four times

https://tass.ru/kosmos/6075907

half billion $ debt is not bad at all.

Roskosmos for six months reduced the debt burden of the Khrunichev Center by 30 billion rubles

MOSCOW, February 4. / TASS /. Roskosmos for six months reduced the debt burden of the Center named after MV Khrunichev by 30 billion rubles. This was the head of Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin reported to the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin during a working meeting.

"I would like to separately report on the [State Space Research and Production Center] Khrunichev, Vladimir Vladimirovich. The enterprise is working, its entire production activity has been restored, the current load on the Khrunichev center has been removed for 30 billion rubles in almost six months," Rogozin said.

https://tass.ru/kosmos/6075887

Super heavy rocket "Yenisei" will send to the moon a mock up of the ship "Federation"

https://ria.ru/20190209/1550624484.html

WTF?!




And here for Papsm from Dima with love - RD-171MV tested

https://twitter.com/Rogozin/status/1093791995972198400?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Big_Gazza wrote:Zak has reported that there are problems with the contract to build the Angara pad at Vostochny and that the construction contract with PSO kazan has been cancelled...

No links... no sources...  and after a few weeks I haven't been able to find ANY corroborating info anywhere.  

If this was true, I'd expect that NATOstani mouthpieces would be crowing with glee, but AFAIK there has been utter silence.  

Anyone know if this is true or has Anatoly "I'm a 5th-column fuktard" Zak been supping at the radiator coolant again?  

et voila,

https://www.rbc.ru/society/23/01/2019/5c48582e9a7947777e0c33a2


What Borisov said is true but cancelling contract with company from Tatarstan can be a part of bigger game - to oust Tatar nationalist mafia.

There is plenty of money in Russia budget, for space program..  the problem is the Management
at Russia.. specially Putin.. his over wasting of money in building Olympic avenues and luxury parks
for lazy people recreation.  $52 BIlLIONS in sochi + $11Billions in world coup is a lot of money they will never
recover back.. this is just throw to the garbage money , in hopes to end the cold war ,and makes Russia
an influential nation with the west.. something that clearly achieved nothing.. add another $1 billion dollar
in a luxury park in moscow..    as if that was going to make Russia a better nation..  All this spending
is Political Populism. money throw away for beauty in cities ,just to get people votes and support in elections.

with such money Russia could have invested just 10% of that for both sports events and cleaning parks ,if he was so desperate to host such events and then the rest to properly fund in full a scale ambitious space program
for next  10 to 20 years.

meanwhile Russia is ending its only telescope in space ,the only thing Russia had to show something
meaningful to the world , of Russian contribution to space. for lack of funding..  

https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201902131072364430-roscosmos-cut-financing-russian-hubble-project/

great job for Putin the 4d grand chessmaster... who needs a 5th column in Russia when
you have a fool in the top position ..

GunshipDemocracy wrote:...And here for Papsm from Dima with love - RD-171MV tested

https://twitter.com/Rogozin/status/1093791995972198400?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw...

It says "getting ready for test" not actually getting tested. They have been getting crapload of stuff "ready" for decades now, they are still getting them "ready"

It a never-ending story and never-ending scam

Vann7 wrote:There is plenty of money in Russia budget, for space program...

Yes there is. More money than they would know what to do with.

And Roskosmos will not see a single dime of it until they start putting some results on that scoreboard.

Vann7 wrote:...$52 BIlLIONS in sochi + $11Billions in world coup is a lot of money they will never recover back..

Krasnodar prefecture has become one of largest contributors to federal budget and Sochi in particular is so booked beyond capacity that they will soon have to expand.

That money is already coming back big time.

Vann7 wrote:...meanwhile Russia is ending its only telescope in space...

Nobody ever saw a single image or useful data produced by it's predecessor so no loss there IMHO.

And there's hardly point in planning missions if your launch systems and facilities are shit.

And it looks​ like number crunchers finally had enough embarrassment and are clamping down on Scam Central:

Russian government details space budget, as severe cuts rumored

http://www.russianspaceweb.com/russia_2010s.html#2019

Yet another thing we have to learn from Zak since something that calls itself "space agency" can't perform something as complex as basic PR.

Seriously, did they really think they can deliver nothing but failure after failure and scam after scam and keep getting money indefinitely?

 

Looks like there is another superheavy rocket version on the roster, Don superheavy (125-130 tons LEO, 32 tons lunar orbit).

That would roughly be SLS equivalent:

Link

...It is planned that the superheavy rocket "Don "will be more load-lifting superheavy rocket than" Yenisei", the first start of which is planned in 2028.

"The difference between the Don and the Yenisei will be the addition of another stage, which will make the don more lifting than the Yenisei. "Yenisei" (or a carrier rocket of super-heavy class of the first stage, STK-1) will be able to put into low earth orbit a payload weighing from 88 to 103 tons, and into lunar orbit – from 20 to 27 tons.

"Don" (or carrier rocket super-heavy class of the second stage, STK-2), these figures will be, respectively, 125-130 tons and 32 tons, " – said the Agency interlocutor.

The source added that the first launch of the don rocket is scheduled for 2029. "His goal will be to send to the moon of the take-off and landing complex to work out the lunar landing on its surface to ensure the future landing of Russian astronauts on a natural satellite of the Earth," he explained.

Future payloads for "Yenisei" and "don", according to the source, will be launched to the moon manned transport spacecraft "Federation" weight of 20 tons, the lunar landing-take-off complex with a mass of 27 tons and a module of a lunar base with a mass of 27 to 32 tons.

"In addition, they will be able to bring into geostationary orbit spacecraft based on the transport and energy module weighing 26-30 tons and to the Lagrange point L2 of the Sun-Earth system (a place in space where the gravity of the Sun and the Earth is balanced. - ed.) – telescopes weighing 30-40 tons for basic research of deep space", - he explained.

Earlier, a source in the rocket and space industry told RIA Novosti that Roscosmos finally determined the most preferred appearance of the super-heavy-class carrier rocket "Yenisei" for flights to the moon: it will use the RD-180 engine supplied to the US, other variants of the "Yenisei" are no longer considered
............
The final shape of the Yenisei rocket with all the technical features will be registered in the draft project, which should be prepared by November 2019.

Left to right: Soyuz-5 (Irtysh), Angara-5, Soyuz-7 (S7 Space/Volga), Yenisey, Don







There is also possibility of Roskosmos developing new cargo ship for cis-lunar station:

PapaDragon wrote: 

Looks like there is another superheavy rocket version on the roster, Don superheavy (125-130 tons LEO, 32 tons lunar orbit).

That would roughly be SLS equivalent:

Rogozin rulez

Pilots and astronauts will learn to breathe fluid during overloads

MOSCOW, Feb. 11 - RIA News . Pilots and astronauts will learn to breathe fluid, RIA Novosti reported in the press service of the Advanced Study Foundation (FPI).
It is explained that this will help them painlessly carry significant overloads in flight.
The laboratory, whose employees are working on liquid breathing technology, appeared in 2016. Initially, the work was aimed at rescuing submarine crews.
“In addition to submariners, liquid breathing can be used by pilots and astronauts who also work in low or high pressure conditions,” the fund said.

https://ria.ru/20190211/1550665618.html

The source told where the first private spaceport in Russia could appear

MOSCOW, February 9 - RIA News . The first private spaceport in Russia, from which suborbital tourist rockets will be launched, can be built near Kazan or Nizhny Novgorod, relevant negotiations are underway with the heads of the regions, a source in the rocket and space industry told RIA Novosti.
"Negotiations on the allocation of a site for suborbital tourism are in the final stages with two regions. Documents are being prepared for signing. Depending on which region we can agree upon earlier, the site will be deployed on that territory," the source said.
According to him, we are talking about the creation of a cosmodrome for launching tourists by the Cosmocourse company. The company itself refrained from commenting. Earlier there they reported that they were considering a space for space tourism at Baikonur.

According to the interlocutor of the agency, we are talking about the allocation of land in the Alkeevsky
district of Tatarstan and the Ardatovsky district of the Nizhny Novgorod region. In the case of a land plot,
the company will begin negotiations with the Roscosmos State Corporation and other interested entities
on the allocation of licenses and permits for launching from a specific area.

Earlier it was reported that "Cosmocourse" received a license from "Roskosmos" for space activities. For a flight to an altitude of 200 kilometers, the Cosmocourse is developing a single-stage returning rocket and a seven-seat spacecraft. It is expected that the first flight will be completed in 2025. It will last 15 minutes, of which tourists will be about five minutes in zero gravity. The company expects annually up to 700 people from Russia to make a suborbital flight. The cost of the ticket will be approximately 200-250 thousand dollars.

https://ria.ru/20190209/1550624730.html

George1 wrote:

Scientist rules out sending cosmonauts to fix faulty Russian space telescope in orbit

To withstand the extreme conditions of outer space, all technical elements of the satellite were carefully sealed by the manufacturer, so it's impossible to get inside

MOSCOW, February 15. /TASS/. A manned space mission, even if sent, will not help to fix the faulty Spektr-R space radio telescope, said Nikolai Kardashev, the director of the Astrospace Center (the Radioastron project contractor).

"Radioastron’s technical group is doing its best. I even asked whether a cosmonaut may approach and fix it. Well, approaching it is technically possible, but, regretfully, nothing can be done," he said.

The scientist explained that in order to withstand the extreme conditions of outer space, all technical elements of the satellite were carefully sealed by the manufacturer using a special technology, so "you can’t just get inside of it."

Moreover, he added "cosmonauts are just not being sent to such altitudes at the moment."


More:
http://tass.com/science/1044838

Sounds like they used the obsolete pressurized compartment design common during the USSR period. It is cheaper to build satellites this way since you
do not have to spend money testing components in a hard vacuum. But ultimately it results in a much shorter lifespan of the satellite since the air always
finds a way of leaking out.

Maybe this instrument used something else, but "sealing" is a bad idea.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:....
Rogozin rulez
...

Posting it here as well.

Entire Federation-spacecraft development team has been poached by S7 Space. Looks like Mark Serov finally got tired designing stuff that will never be made let alone fly.  

Great for S7 Space but it looks to me that Roskosmos is slowly but surely getting porked.  

Rogozin is really going for broke  



The source reported the transition of the development team "Federation" to S7 Space

https://ria.ru/20190219/1551054888.html

The team of developers of the Federation moved from RSC Energia to the private space company S7 Space, a source in the rocket and space industry told RIA Novosti.

As the source of the Agency, the head of the test sector of the flight test Department, test cosmonaut of RSC Energia mark Serov from today works in S7 Space (part of the S7 Group and owns the project of the floating cosmodrome "Sea launch"). Together with him have gone even five people.

According to him, all of them developed the spaceship "Federation".

Mark Serov RIA Novosti has confirmed its move to the S7 Space.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BuB8_VihMDJ/

It will live on. And I doubt it was 6 people for an entire project. So energomash will find others willing.

PapaDragon wrote:
Entire Federation-spacecraft development team has been poached by S7 Space. Looks like Mark Serov finally got tired designing stuff that will never be made let alone fly.  

Great for S7 Space but it looks to me that Roskosmos is slowly but surely getting porked.  

Rogozin is really going for broke  

like existence of Space X derailed any of NASA programmes? Part of team left and good. The  new will be completed and there will be 2 teams and 2 projects.
Actually Im glad that S7 seriously approaches space challenge. The more money there the bigger industry can grow.        

Roscosmos has signed a new contract for the flight of two space tourists to the ISS

"State Corporation Roscosmos" and the American company Space Adventures signed a contract for short-term space flights to the International Space Station of two non-professional astronauts on the same ship. The flight to the station will take place before the end of 2021, "said Roscosmos.

The state corporation specified that the enterprises of the industry "have already begun to create a manned spacecraft Soyuz MS and a launch vehicle Soyuz-2 for the flight of tourists into space." They added that the implementation of all work on the creation of space technology will be carried out at the expense of space tourists.

Roscosmos noted that the new contract will additionally load RSC Energia capacities, Progress RCC, TsENKI and other enterprises.

https://tass.ru/kosmos/6132388

Roscosmos launches a project on the Gagarinsky route by tourists on Earth

The head of the state corporation Dmitry Rogozin said that this would reduce the time required to prepare for the flight to those who want to see Earth from space.
MOSCOW, February 19. / TASS /. Future space tourists will be able to repeat the flight of Yuri Gagarin, circling the Earth in one turn. This project launches Roskosmos, said on Tuesday the head of the state corporation Dmitry Rogozin.

Conquerors of space: from Gagarin to the present day Pioneers, champions, cosmonauts, astronauts and tourists - we collected information about everyone who has ever made space flights
“We are launching a project to fly around the Earth along the short Gagarin route, which will allow us to shorten the time spent on preparing for the flight to see our planet from space,” Rogozin wrote on Twitter .

https://tass.ru/kosmos/6132564


for you Paps      

miketheterrible wrote:It will live on. And I doubt it was 6 people for an entire project.  So energomash will find others willing.

perhaps even better with fresh ides.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:....

Fresh ideas in Roskosmos? People who were providing what little ideas they had just left.

As for two NASA seats and tourism, you really think that extra pittance from USA and another tourism bull*hit scam (seriously, this is 20th now in a row) is anything to write home about?

Seriously, tourism? Is this 1990 again or something?

They will waste time and resources on crap that some private nobodies will do better and faster anyway.

They are supposed to be national space agency not crowdfunded startup.

At least up until now they sent their own qualified people in space, even though they just played janitors on ISS. Their next big advancement is to play travel agents?

Trampoline Man should be euthanized alongside his degenerate offspring who is f*cking up cargo aircraft development.

What will be next great success from Roskosmos after tourism? Balloon flights?