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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  Vann7 on Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:28 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:.............
    update..
    the entire internet and youtube is exploding after Rogozin put into question if NASA did landed
    or not in the moon.. and that will verify it..  

    YouTube is chock full of morons who think that Earth is flat

    But I am sure you are intimately familiar with that fact Razz


    take a look at your heroes in NASA..

    NASA itself admit they lost the telemetry data ,the only records they had ,of how the lunar landing happened..  lol1 ..





    So give me a FUCKING BREAK.. dude is not only Rogozin who says this ok?
    Is the ENTIRE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT who also strongly hinting NASA faked the moon..
    two Putin close officials are on record questioning NASA moon landing and now is Russia space agency chief.
    and Russia government in no time , came to the rescue of NASA , but remained silent at the controversy
    raised by top Russian government officials..

    How stupid NASA thinks society is ?   Laughing

    So let me understand.. the most important information in human history lost..
    1)NASA lost the trace of the moon rocks where they are stored..  Shocked
    2)NASA lost the communication telemetry data records of NASA in the moon..  Shocked
    3)NASA lose the original footage of NASA landing in the moon.. ???  
    how can that is possible? confused
    4)NASA astronauts claim also "lost the technology" to bypass radiation in the moon..opps..  Shocked

    5)NASA decommission of the most important Rocket ever created by them.. Saturn rocket.  
    instead of improving it ,and did not return to the moon in 50 years.. and start again from zero
    in their space program?? with a new rocket..  and focus instead in low earth orbit
    boring projects??
    6)The moon rocks given by Armstrong to European museums ,turned to be fake piece of wood
    emulating lunar Rocks..   lol1

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/space/6105902/Moon-rock-given-to-Holland-by-Neil-Armstrong-and-Buzz-Aldrin-is-fake.html

    7)Russia government , though its media RT , is resurrecting the moon landing controversies
    every month.. and now the Director of Roscosmos Rogozin is openly in public ,denying NASA
    landed in the moon..  Laughing

    How stupid can people be? Only trolls could "believe" in such monumental lie..
    after so OVERWHELMING evidence points it was FAKE as hell.  No
    that NASA landed in the moon.. and only people with a brain Dysfunction like yourself..
    someone with serious mental issues ,will continue believing in the moon landing story of NASA
    after clear evidence presented ,being reported that it was FAKE..

    So Russia government and RT says NASA landing was FAKE.. Astronauts indirectly say it was FAKE.
    "they destroyed the technology to land in the moon" , Governments in Europe claims NASA given Rocks
    were FAKE as hell.. just a piece of wood. . 100% of the evidence released by NASA contradict NASA claims .

    So how you expect dude people to believe in the moon story when 100% of the evidence contradict
    their claims???  confused

    BTW.. ignore the flat earth logo in the video. their channels are hijacking every video in youtube about the moon
    controversy of NASA and re-uploading the videos in their channels.. and Youtube give preference to their channels
    in search ,whenever you try to research to the moon.This is done to confuse people honest investigation about
    NASA questionable moon program.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:58 am

    Vann7 wrote:NASA itself admit they lost the telemetry data ,the only records they had ,of how the lunar landing happened..

    And what evidence does Russia has that Gagarin's flight happened?

    Nothing, nada, zilch.



    Vann7 wrote:...BTW.. ignore the flat earth logo in the video...

    Are you kidding me? You are trying to prove a point by literally using Flat Earth Society video as "evidence".

    How fuc*ing stupid do you think we are?



    One more time: Rogozin is braindead retard and so are all of his cultists.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GarryB on Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:01 am

    One more time: Rogozin is braindead retard and so are all of his cultists.

    Rogozin is just baiting the western press... or is sarcasm stupidity... because there are a lot of people who use lots of sarcasm on this forum.

    Equally is that even possible?

    If someone is brain dead they are in a vegetative state, it is not a state of retardation.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:09 am

    Source: Roscosmos will consider options for the appearance of a rocket to fly to the moon

    MOSCOW, December 8 - RIA News . Several variants of the appearance of the Russian super-heavy rocket for flights to the moon will be considered and agreed to be included in the appropriate federal target program at a meeting on Saturday at the leading institute of the rocket and space industry TsNIIMash, two sources in the rocket and space industry told RIA Novosti.
    "The meeting will be devoted to a preliminary review of the concept of the Federal Target Program on super heavy rocket on the eve of the Roscosmos scientific and technical council planned for mid-December, at which the draft program will be reviewed," the source said.

    According to him, the meeting will be held at TsNIIMash. The leaders of the rocket and space enterprises and the leadership of Roscosmos are invited to it. It is planned that they will discuss and approve several variants of the appearance of a super-heavy rocket, which will later be submitted for approval by the scientific and technical council of the state corporation.
    Among these options, said one of the interlocutors, there is also a project for repeating the Soviet Energia rocket with a large central hydrogen fuel tank and a project for a solid-fuel booster rocket (in the Soviet and Russian cosmonautics, solid-propellant space rockets were not used except for military rockets Topol, Yars and Bulava), as well as variants with five and six blocks based on Soyuz-5 missiles.

    As reported by the chairman of the scientific and technical council of Roscosmos, Yuri Koptev, it was previously planned that a federal program on super-heavy rocket would be adopted, but then it became clear that there should be a separate space state program.
    “The Federal Target Program on super-heavy rocket itself should be submitted to the government by spring,” the source said.
    Earlier, Roskosmos told RIA Novosti that the state corporation, among its options, is considering a project of a 103-ton super-heavy launch vehicle with a low near-earth orbit, in which the RD-180 engine sold in the US, surrounded by six Soyuz rocket based units, is installed on the central unit. -5 "with engines RD-171.


    The last manned mission "Apollo" launched to the Moon exactly 46 years ago. Prospects for the exploration of the Moon were discussed on the radio Sputnik by leading researcher at the Space Research Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences Nathan Eismont and aerospace engineer Igor Tirsky.
    Last year, the institutes of Roskosmos, Agat Organization and TsNIIMash, calculated that the development of a super-heavy rocket would cost 700 billion rubles. The entire Russian Federal Space Program until 2025 is estimated at about 1.4 trillion rubles.
    The first launch of the super heavy rocket is scheduled for 2028. By November 2019, its preliminary design should be prepared.
    https://ria.ru/20181208/1547643964.html



    India, Russia to create working group on cooperation in manned cosmonautics

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    NEW DELHI, December 7. /TASS/. India and Russia will create a joint working group on cooperation in manned cosmonautics, the press service of the Indian government reported on Friday.

    The Indian cabinet of ministers studied the information about the memorandum on cooperation in manned cosmonautics that was earlier signed between India and Russia and approved it. According to the report, the document will consolidate relations between the countries and prompt the development of technologies and advanced systems needed for a manned flight, the press service noted.

    ISRO reported that it may need the help of a foreign state in the advanced training of the first national crew.

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    Venezuela to use Russia's GLONASS satellite navigation system

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    GarryB wrote:
    One more time: Rogozin is braindead retard and so are all of his cultists.

    Rogozin is just baiting the western press..

    he is trolling Rusophobes, whats wrong with that? dunno dunno dunno
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:24 am


    According to Zak Soyuz-5 will be renamed to "Irtysh" as in river in Siberia

    It would be keeping in line with naming convention so far (Angara)





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    Source: Roscosmos will consider options for the appearance of a rocket to fly to the moon

    .....

    Apparently there is a third variant in the game as well, one with three RD-0120 engines (original Energia core) as core stage

    I wonder if they would go with that one to reduce number of stages, increase payload capacity or both?

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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GarryB on Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:01 am

    Nothing at all... he should work on his skills and get to the level of Lavrov though...

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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:52 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:According to Zak Soyuz-5 will be renamed to "Irtysh" as in river in Siberia

    Soyuz was killed by Gorbi traitor & co, so now there's time to use Russian names.





    GunshipDemocracy wrote:

    Source: Roscosmos will consider options for the appearance of a rocket to fly to the moon


    .....

    Apparently there is a third variant in the game as well, one with three RD-0120 engines (original Energia core) as core stage

    I wonder if they would go with that one to reduce number of stages, increase payload capacity or both? [/quote]

    or make a "tank station"  approach: earth - LEO, LEO - la luna, or Mars. With nuclear tugs.  

    In every way now there is serious race. Really more then in 70s. Now ho will start mining (especially USA and soon China too) will claim it is not "all humanity" as now in legal system but theirs own. Cyborgs are as good as men or even better since they stay there 24/7 and can be ultimately armed too  russia  russia  russia

    Yesterday I listened to Rgovori Moskva about  lunar programme. You know why Rogozin rejected NASA proposal of cislunar station? because first paragraph was about  

    " asserting US space superiority".

    and Russians were to make some works as subcontractors according to US guidance and standards.


    Moonbound Cyborgs? Robots to run Russian lunar base



    MOSCOW, December 3. /TASS/. Robots will carry out the bulk of the work on a Russian base, which is set to be built on the surface of the Moon, and people will visit it to set up equipment, Lev Zelyony, Deputy Chairman of the Council on Space Research of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Director of the RAS’s Space Research Institute, told TASS.

    Under the project, Russia plans to build two strategic observatories on the Moon for radio astronomy studies, cosmic ray research and other tasks, he noted.

    "Most operations there will be performed by robots. These observatories should operate in a semi-automatic mode with rare human intervention," the scientist explained.

    Zelyony specified that a permanent human presence is simply not needed considering that robots are taking on more functions. That being said it is dangerous for humans to stay for a long time on the Moon because of radiation. "However, human presence on a rotation basis to check out and set up the equipment is very useful," he stressed.

    The deputy chairman didn’t elaborate on the timeframe for the construction of the lunar observatories.

    Russia’s lunar exploration program
    On November 28, the RAS Council held a session with the participation of Roscosmos CEO Dmitry Rogozin and RAS President Alexander Sergeyev, where the Moon exploration program had been discussed. A source in the space industry told TASS that day that the RAS Council on Space Research supported projects on establishing an inhabited base and observatories on the Moon.

    The lunar exploration program should start with the launch of automated stations, followed by a preliminary Moon orbiting mission with cosmonauts, and finally landing and establishing infrastructure. The launch of the first automatic mission, the Luna-25, is scheduled for 2021.

    Zelyony previously said that Russia’s Moon exploration program would be completed by next spring. Neither the timeframe for the implementation of its stages, nor its estimated costs have been announced yet.



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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:54 pm

    GarryB wrote:Nothing at all... he should work on his skills and get to the level of Lavrov though...

    that's why Lavrov is talking to 20 max 30% of people and Rogozin remaining 70-80% ...
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  Hole on Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:43 pm

    You need both, guys who can talk with a soft voice and full-blown a...holes.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  Big_Gazza on Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:06 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Now who will start mining (especially USA and soon China too) will claim it is not "all humanity" as now in legal system but theirs own.

    Space mining? What do you think you'll find on an asteroid that deliver a ROI? Iron ore is cheap as chips on earth and plentiful. No need to go to an asteroid and return with iron at $50M per ton... Iridium? yeah, its valuable, but how much do we need, and can we justify spending a fortune to sift the dust on asteroids to find some?

    I don't mean to rain on your parade, and I like Sci-Fi as much as the next grown-up geek, but "commercial manned space" will require bucketfuls of cash with no real hope of a profit, (that rules out corporate funding), and would likely require international consortiums of like-minded nation-states. Can you honestly see them spending the money?
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:22 pm

    Hole wrote:You need both, guys who can talk with a soft voice and full-blown a...holes.
    I disagree, although Rogozin has been trolling west for a while but he is no asshole.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:39 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Now who will start mining (especially USA and soon China too) will claim it is not "all humanity" as now in legal system but theirs own.

    Space mining?  What do you think you'll find on an asteroid that deliver a ROI? Iron ore is cheap as chips on earth and plentiful. No need to go to an asteroid and return with iron at $50M per ton... Iridium? yeah, its valuable, but how much do we need, and can we justify spending a fortune to sift the dust on asteroids to find some?

    I don't mean to rain on your parade, and I like Sci-Fi as much as the next grown-up geek, but "commercial manned space" will require bucketfuls of cash with no real hope of a profit, (that rules out corporate funding), and would likely require international consortiums of like-minded nation-states. Can you honestly see them spending the money?


    If you make simple extrapolation of today's needs/prices and tech I'd say you're right. But new tech makes launches cheaper, robotic industry makes remote exploration more feasible and at the end of the day who will be first takes the prize. Same as in 19 century colonies.



    There are consortiums inprivate sector and billions in capital pumped into space oriented startups.  Not only in US BTW. Before you start ridiculing Luxembourg article below note that Luxembourg's sat industry has turnover ~€2bn p/a ($2,3bn) where  Roscosmos,in 2018, was financed  by govt  ₽129bn ($1,95bn)...
    My deep respect to Roscosmoss guys for what they do amid really low budget.


    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidschrieberg1/2017/11/19/luxembourgs-bet-on-space-industry-shows-early-signs-of-success/

    Investment is just one area where Luxembourg is launching into space. The country's Economy Minister, Etienne Schneider, has been the prime mover behind the initiative and if successful, will one day go down as the man behind the Grand Duchy's next great transformation, including the quick piloting of a new Space Resources Law through Parliament in July, which provides the legal framework for space mining companies to lay claim to the resources they eventually collect.

    One example: The current price tag of ferrying one liter of water from Earth to deep space: $20,000. Tapping the water from one 500-million ton asteroid would provide enough fuel for every rocket ever launched. And there are 16,000 "near-Earth asteroids" considered close enough to be candidates for mining not just of water but of the kind of rare minerals used in most devices on our planet.


    Policy doing nothing for Russia wont end well.  Since resource spending has to be well thought.
    BTW  not 14:1 as i thought but only 12-13:1 in /GDP PPP equivalent.West - Russia
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:54 pm

    Russia and China eye building joint lunar station

    MOSCOW, October 2. /TASS/. Russia is looking at building a lunar station jointly with Chinese partners, CEO of Russia’s state space corporation Roscosmos, Dmitry Rogozin, said.

    "China is a serious partner. I don’t rule out that as soon as we agree the outlines of our lunar program with the Americans, it is our manned lunar program, the formation of a research station on Moon’s surface is likely to be carried out with our Chinese partners. They can be equal partners already in the coming years," he told Russia’s TV Channel One.

    According to Rogozin, Russia’s first unmanned lunar mission will be launched in 2021.

    "We plan to land on Moon. A drill will be activated to collect lunar soil samples that will be taken to Earth,
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    Future of Moon exploration lies in developing landing modules — Russian space agency


    "Participants in the Council session are confident that joint efforts of the scientific community and organizations that conduct space programs, will bring better results. The future of Moon exploration and implementation of the Moon program is in creating new reusable apparatuses, designing Moon landing modules, looking for new types of fuel based on solar and nuclear energy," the press service said.

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    Good that Russia has tech of nuclear engines and reactors top tier... russia  russia  russia
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  PapaDragon Yesterday at 1:00 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:...I don't mean to rain on your parade, and I like Sci-Fi as much as the next grown-up geek, but "commercial manned space" will require bucketfuls of cash with no real hope of a profit...

    This is correct. One expert said that if there were pure gold bullion waiting for us on moon it would still not be enough to cover expenses.

    Only resource you have in space that is worth the effort is helium-3. That's it.

    By until we crack nuclear fusion it will not be priority. Only thing that can be profitable for private enterprises is LEO satellite launches. They won't be bothering with anything in deep space save for some strictly PR projects.



    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Hole wrote:You need both, guys who can talk with a soft voice and full-blown a...holes.
    I disagree, although Rogozin has been trolling west for a while but he is no asshole.


    Wrong, he definitely is an asshole and not very intelligent one.

    And he is not trolling, not after repeating this nonsense dozen of times. He actually believes it.


    He does exibit some traces of brain activity but I doubt he is one deciding these particular details:

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    ...I don’t rule out that as soon as we agree the outlines of our lunar program with the Americans, it is our manned lunar program, the formation of a research station on Moon’s surface is likely to be carried out with our Chinese partners.

    This here is intelligent approach: keep fingers in both pies.

    For bargain price you get access to cis-lunar station and then you are free to build new things of your own.

    Speaking of which, NASA agreed to use Russian airlock standard on cis-lunar station. Again, according to Zak.

    If someone in Roskosmos would get around to work on PR Zak would be out of business. But it looks like he has the market cornered...
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GarryB Yesterday at 1:13 am

    They have on the discovery channel quite a few programmes about colonisation of space and in most of the programmes an engineer keeps popping up saying that mining the asteroid field is the future of space exploration... and to be honest it really annoys me.

    When they talk about it they show a large asteroid with what looks like a mining camp perched on it.

    What they don't mention is that in the asteroid field asteroids that size are millions of kms apart and the vast majority of material is actually pebble or dust size.

    The chances of finding useful expensive material is actually pretty low.

    The way they talk you would think some of those asteroids are a rock shell around a solid diamond core...
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Yesterday at 1:41 am

    GarryB wrote: The chances of finding useful expensive material is actually pretty low.

    how many years ahead? 10-20-30? they have enough money to invest so long ahead. You might agree or not the race is on. Besides why should anybody take anything back to earth? instead of building factories  over there?

    Base on the Moon you build-up from Moon mining/material processing same in the Mars in farther perspective.

    Today, it costs $10,000 to put a pound of payload in Earth orbit. NASA's goal is to reduce the cost of getting to space to hundreds of dollars per pound within 25 years and tens of dollars per pound within 40 years.Apr 12, 2008
    https://www.nasa.gov/centers/marshall/news/background/facts/astp.html



    SpaceX should be able to land the first stages for reuse. If they can get to a little over the ten reuses planned for the Falcon 9 block 5 then they could bring the costs down to $743 per kilogram.

    https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2018/02/reusable-spacex-falcon-heavy-will-make-highly-cost-competitive-space-based-solar-power.html


    Proton M is actually the cheapest ride to space on a price per kilogram basis at $2,826, followed by SpaceX’s Falcon 9 at $2,864.
    http://www.parabolicarc.com/2017/08/18/ride-space-costs-days/


    Gold Price per Kilo $40,177.18

    OK if you wont like price of gold from space leave that to me lol1 lol1 lol1


    PapaDragon wrote:For bargain price you get access to cis-lunar station and then you are free to build new things of your own.
    Speaking of which, NASA agreed to use Russian airlock standard on cis-lunar station. Again, according to Zak.
    If someone in Roskosmos would get around to work on PR Zak would be out of business. But it looks like he has the market cornered...

    Actually NASA seemed to agree after your favorite Dima rejcted first offer., isnt it?

    BTW not 2 pies but 3. Indians are in the race too lol1 lol1 lol1
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    Post  Big_Gazza Yesterday at 5:15 am

    PapaDragon wrote:Apparently there is a third variant in the game as well, one with three RD-0120 engines (original Energia core) as core stage

    Another pic courtesy of Mr Zak.  Unlike Energia, this vehicle has 3x RD-0120 instead of 4 (similar to Krunichevs earlier Yenisei-5 concept)



    I'm surprised that they are again considering a design using hydrolox and a larger-diameter core (with its related transport issues).  It has an advantage in being able to be scaled up with 8x Soyuz-5 strap-ons, suggestive of the old Energia Vulkan concept for a ~180-200T class launcher. Not sure how serious this "contender" is....
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    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Hole wrote:You need both, guys who can talk with a soft voice and full-blown a...holes.
    I disagree, although Rogozin has been trolling  west for a while but he is no asshole.

    I mean it in a positive way. Someone who will attack if someone deserves it.
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    Post  Hole Yesterday at 11:02 am

    For the last 40 years NASA planned to reduce the costs but always failed. Like the MIC in Amiland in creating a working weapon system for less than 100 Bill.

    The problem with bringing "large" amounts of Gold or other precious metals from asteroids to the earth is that it will make them worth less. More supply, lesser price.
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    Post  GarryB Yesterday at 11:30 am

    OK if you wont like price of gold from space leave that to me

    On earth you have to process thousands of tons of rock to get a few grammes of gold... when the rocks are millions of kms apart it stops making sense to try to get it.

    BTW I was mining the asteroid belt in the 1980s... a cool game called Frontier Elite II, that came on two floppy disks... it was an excellent game... it was on the Amiga 500.


    The primary problem is actually finding these precious materials in amongst the crap cheap shit.

    On earth you can look at the geology and satellite photos and work out where minerals would likely be... in space it would be a case of having to drill down into the material and see what is there... not very quick or efficient without a star trek like scanner.
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    Post  PapaDragon Yesterday at 8:47 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:..........I'm surprised that they are again considering a design using hydrolox and a larger-diameter core (with its related transport issues)....

    Transport issues should not even be in equation.

    They want to build superheavy rocket, transport is trivial issue in comparison. It's like giving up on operating a hospital because it's hassle to mow a lawn.


    Big_Gazza wrote:....It has an advantage in being able to be scaled up with 8x Soyuz-5 strap-ons, suggestive of the old Energia Vulkan concept for a ~180-200T class launcher....

    Looks like it.

    I don't see why would they bother with larger engine and core stage unless the wanted to have option for something massive down the road.


    Big_Gazza wrote:....Not sure how serious this "contender" is....

    If they threw it in this late in the game then it probably is serious.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Today at 12:14 am

    GarryB wrote:On earth you can look at the geology and satellite photos and work out where minerals would likely be... in space it would be a case of having to drill down into the material and see what is there... not very quick or efficient without a star trek like scanner.

    It cost hundreds of millions of USD to send a probe to a nearby asteroid and return a few hundred grams of soil and dust to Earth - ie like the NASA mission Osiris-Rex now at the asteroid Bennu.  Even if Bennu was composed of Helium 3, gold-pressed latinum, Unobtainium, unreleased Elvis tracks, proof of guilt in the Kennedy assassination, or Mad Vlad Putins "stolen billions"  etc etc etc it would be a massive negative on the balance sheet....   How the foxtrot can anyone actually believe that it could be economical to mine these useless mundane rocks and gravitational-bound debris piles? You'll make more money digging up random stones from your own back yard... Very Happy
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Today at 4:32 am

    Hole wrote:For the last 40 years NASA planned to reduce the costs but always failed. Like the MIC in Amiland in creating a working weapon system for less than 100 Bill.

    The problem with bringing "large" amounts of Gold or other precious metals from asteroids to the earth is that it will make them worth less. More supply, lesser price.

    nonetheless price dropped

    10times already or more then $20,000 currently $2,800/kg
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Today at 4:34 am

    Big_Gazza wrote: How the foxtrot can anyone actually believe that it could be economical to mine these useless mundane rocks and gravitational-bound debris piles?  You'll make more money digging up random stones from your own back yard...  Very Happy

    why you need to being anything back? at first. Second prices dropped more then 10 times since ?Apollo. And will keep falling. OK you can believe what you want to. Race is on anyway.

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