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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GarryB on Sat May 20, 2017 10:19 am

    Actually the future looks more like an air breathing jet powered craft to fly to space and back.

    Once scramjets are perfected and the issues of high speed flight within the atmosphere are dealt with an aircraft that takes off horizontally and accelerates up to orbital speed inside the earth atmosphere and then lobs payloads into space to glide back down and land on a conventional air strip is the most efficient way of getting things to orbit.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  kvs on Sat May 20, 2017 1:17 pm

    GarryB wrote:Actually the future looks more like an air breathing jet powered craft to fly to space and back.

    Once scramjets are perfected and the issues of high speed flight within the atmosphere are dealt with an aircraft that takes off horizontally and accelerates up to orbital speed inside the earth atmosphere and then lobs payloads into space to glide back down and land on a conventional air strip is the most efficient way of getting things to orbit.

    Pulse detonation engines are the only ones with the necessary thermodynamic cycle characteristics. Brayton cycle engines won't cut it.
    Russia is pushing pulse detonation engine development hard. But as you note, the spaceplane concept is the most efficient since it leverages
    the lifting potential of the atmosphere fluid. For rockets this fluid is just a drag that reduces their efficiency.
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    Post  Singular_Transform on Sat May 20, 2017 11:26 pm

    GarryB wrote:Actually the future looks more like an air breathing jet powered craft to fly to space and back.

    Once scramjets are perfected and the issues of high speed flight within the atmosphere are dealt with an aircraft that takes off horizontally and accelerates up to orbital speed inside the earth atmosphere and then lobs payloads into space to glide back down and land on a conventional air strip is the most efficient way of getting things to orbit.

    High speed scramjet needs hydrogen, but that has low density- means the drag will be high.

    So realistical the scramjet has quite low chance to be succesfull.

    Maybe orbital drop scramjet should be more possible.

    But the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylon_(spacecraft)#SABRE_engines can be interesting - but no one know that it will fly ever.
    Quite complicated design, needs a lot of debuging to work.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  Big_Gazza on Sun May 21, 2017 11:00 am

    Rmf wrote:many news and all of them bad... Sad
    like i predicted russian space program is in shambles , its a wreck , and major malfunctions and resource wastefulness is continuing on unprecedented scale. (losing customers ,paying penalties for delayed launches).
    all the while usa private sector is steamrolling ahead.... Laughing

    Thats just what this forum needs - more spite-driven rmf fuktardishness with a big dollop of childish gloating... and ending this shit-on-Russia post with a flag emote? This indicates a serious mental health issue...

    Anyhow, there are some issues but lets not exagerate too much. Proton recall is due solely to engine QA/QC issues involving incorrect brazing materials, and recalling the engines is the appropriate response. Engines will be repaired, re-installed and Protons will fly again until Angara is ready to finally replace it. Omsk manufacturing is going thru its start-up qualification & testing of initial units (yes, there are reports of faults, but thats to be expected in an all-new facility and workforce). Work has started on the Angara pad at Vostochny, & Federation is proceeding, so looks to be on track for 1st unmanned flight in 2021. Sunkar looks to be a go, so the path to a modular SHLV is becoming a reality.

    Nauka is a fiasco, but it may work to Russias long term advantage. When it eventually flys, it will still be quite new when the ISS is abandoned, and will become the a core module of the replacement Russian station. It also pleases me that those feckless cunt Eurotrash bastards won't get their robot arm deployed until the ISS is about to be scrapped and Eurotrash manned space presence ends. Twisted Evil

    All in all, there are problems,but also many reasons to be optimistic. Russia has sucessfully withstood the US/EU economic sabotage and destabilisation ploys, and her economy is growing again (and is now much less vulnerable to any future Western subversion). Her space program is a logical one, and is engaged in a long-term technology and infrastructure building program which will deliver value when complete. Lack of so-called 'reuseable" technologies is hardly an issue, despite the silly PR waffle from Musk and the near-religious sycophancy exhibited by his groupies in the West, who fully expect him to walk on water and colonise Mars... Laughing It should be clear to anyone that the pace of space launches is driven by the need for payloads, and NOT by launch costs. Recovery and rebuild of spent stages won't hugely reduce prices to the extent the Muskians claim, and it would be a huge mistake to abandon Russias logical development strategy simply because of juvenile white-noise from rmf-like idiots...







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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sun May 21, 2017 8:35 pm

    What is the chance we the Ares rocket series entering production before the heaviest  angara?

    While they seem just projects on paper, they could be a real dangerous competitor for the angara if they're consistently delayed over a decade Gorshkov-style. Nevertheless I hope Russia will have a competitor to the Paris by the 2030s.


    There is also the dangerous competitor that is NASA's Space Launch System.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun May 21, 2017 9:26 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:What is the chance we the Ares rocket series entering production before the heaviest  angara?

    While they seem just projects on paper, they could be a real dangerous competitor for the angara if they're consistently delayed over a decade Gorshkov-style. Nevertheless I hope Russia will have a competitor to the Paris by the 2030s.
    https://i.servimg.com/u/f58/17/70/75/06/shuttl10.jpg

    There is also the dangerous competitor that is NASA's Space Launch System.

    Ares has been suspended for quite a long time.

    NASA had just as many budget cuts as Roscosmos did. USA routinely sticks it up to their space agency, it's not just Russian thing.

    Space projects are always first thing on a chopping block.

    Also, Russia reached Paris back in Napoleonic era, long before USA. lol1
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  Rmf on Sun May 21, 2017 10:50 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    rmf wrote:
    it cant , they are streching the design to its limits and exposing to higher risks of something going wrong....

    Suffer under the power of cold data:

    Max payload:

    Proton - 22.800 kg

    Angara 5 - 24.500 kg

    Borat BTFO Razz  attack

    hahah, proton is cheaper per launch ,and by much. Embarassed  
    thats the problem , they cant bring angara launch costs down it seems.  Rolling Eyes
    and its not manrated- so they will keep soyuz then its logic they will use soyuz for payloads too why not, lowering angara launch numbers. Wink
    if they used angara like you say ,roscosmos would bankrupt soo fast  Twisted Evil
    this are some fundamental problems your limited minds cant comprehend so i gave up long ago. scratch
    is that so ,then why is russia working on reusable rockets???
    http://www.lii.ru/mld-tk-2015.html
    https://imgur.com/vDlF0uZ
    https://imgur.com/xDlJome
    by the way that shit noob gazza is muted and reported. pirat
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  Singular_Transform on Sun May 21, 2017 11:21 pm

    Rmf wrote:

    hahah, proton is cheaper per launch ,and by much. Embarassed  
    thats the problem , they cant bring angara launch costs down it seems.  Rolling Eyes
    and its not manrated- so they will keep soyuz then its logic they will use soyuz for payloads too why not, lowering angara launch numbers. Wink
    if they used angara like you say ,roscosmos would bankrupt soo fast  Twisted Evil
    this are some fundamental problems your limited minds cant comprehend so i gave up long ago. scratch
    is that so ,then why is russia working on reusable rockets???


    There is a manufacturing line for proton, amortised to 0 long time ago.

    There is another one under construction for Angara, after the start of it the cost of the two will be practicaly the same .

    Proton is cheap without considering the amortisation / development.


    And as is seems the radhard CPU lines are rolling, means there will be more and more mil sat launch in the comming years.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  kvs on Mon May 22, 2017 12:32 am

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:What is the chance we the Ares rocket series entering production before the heaviest  angara?

    While they seem just projects on paper, they could be a real dangerous competitor for the angara if they're consistently delayed over a decade Gorshkov-style. Nevertheless I hope Russia will have a competitor to the Paris by the 2030s.


    There is also the dangerous competitor that is NASA's Space Launch System.

    Fanboi fantasy fiction. Anyone can draw a rocket. It does not mean that it will ever be built.

    Also, in case you did notice from this fantasy drawing, it is the Energia V and Angara concept which
    some wanker scaled up. What happened to American ingenuity and originality? And you have the
    gall to bring up the Gorshkov. Sod off, troll. Russia was in no shape to do anything even as
    late as 2004, thanks to Boris the Comprador. Yet you claim that Russia had the capacity in 2004
    that it has now.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon May 22, 2017 1:31 am

    Rmf wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    rmf wrote:
    it cant , they are streching the design to its limits and exposing to higher risks of something going wrong....

    Suffer under the power of cold data:

    Max payload:

    Proton - 22.800 kg

    Angara 5 - 24.500 kg

    Borat BTFO Razz  attack

    hahah, proton is cheaper per launch ,and by much. Embarassed  
    thats the problem , they cant bring angara launch costs down it seems.  Rolling Eyes
    and its not manrated- so they will keep soyuz then its logic they will use soyuz for payloads too why not, lowering angara launch numbers. Wink
    if they used angara like you say ,roscosmos would bankrupt soo fast  Twisted Evil
    ..........

    Hahah Proton can't even get off the ground without blowing up.

    Only metric by which Proton is cheaper than Angara is the fact that you don't need to pay anything for a rocket that never gets launched. And when it does it is still waste of money because it can only launch very specific type of payload.

    Also, did you conveniently forgot to add Baikonur rental fee to price of Proton launch? Yes, that goes into bottom line too and yes, I shat all over Baikonur yet again. Razz

    And remember how recently you whined about Russia losing space launch market share? Reason for that is that your precious self detonating Proton has no payload scalability.

    The irony is beyond delicious. lol1

    I won't waste time commenting on your hilarious reusability fetish. But I will just add that one thing will never be reused nor even used pretty soon: Proton.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  miketheterrible on Mon May 22, 2017 1:40 am

    As I said, there is no need for Proton to launch satellites if Soyuz-2 can. Yeah, it isn't a heavy rocket so it cannot launch that large of a payload but for Russia and other nations, it is still desirable till Angara is launched.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GarryB on Mon May 22, 2017 5:23 am

    This thread is about the Russian space programme and includes news and discussion.

    It is not a put down the Russians thread, and nor is it abuse other members thread.

    Certain members will be permanently banned if they continue... you know who you are and I suspect that is exactly what you want.

    Happy to oblige BTW.

    I don't want an all "yes men", "Russia is perfect and can do no wrong", but everything Russia does is wrong is no better... just go to F16.net if you want to jackoff with mates about how pathetic Russia is.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Mon May 22, 2017 6:03 am

    kvs wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:What is the chance we the Ares rocket series entering production before the heaviest  angara?

    While they seem just projects on paper, they could be a real dangerous competitor for the angara if they're consistently delayed over a decade Gorshkov-style. Nevertheless I hope Russia will have a competitor to the Paris by the 2030s.


    There is also the dangerous competitor that is NASA's Space Launch System.

    Fanboi fantasy fiction.   Anyone can draw a rocket.  It does not mean that it will ever be built.

    Also, in case you did notice from this fantasy drawing, it is the Energia V and Angara concept which
    some wanker scaled up.   What happened to American ingenuity and originality?   And you have the
    gall to bring up the Gorshkov.   Sod off, troll.   Russia was in no shape to do anything even as
    late as 2004, thanks to Boris the Comprador.   Yet you claim that Russia had the capacity in 2004
    that it has now.

    I never said that these drawings were realistic. Americans don't have ingenuity. They just have money. More money than Russia. It all comes down to who is willing to spend more money for their space programs. I'm happy that the US is currently wasting their money on the Falcon 9 vaporware(I  didn't know it was this retarded, wasting fuel to land, old fashioned parachutes and inflatable cushions are far better ideas). I hope that with a technocratic eurasianist leadership and  with an improving economy, the Russian space program can only go up.

    Still, the cancellation of the kliper was an unforgivable retarded decision since it destroyed so much potential.

    And you have the
    gall to bring up the Gorshkov.   Sod off, troll.   Russia was in no shape to do anything even as
    late as 2004, thanks to Boris the Comprador.

    I'll bring it up because there are always delays that have no end since it was built in 2014. Ok, should've I have compared the angara to the F-35 then?
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  George1 on Mon May 22, 2017 3:09 pm

    Russia to operate 15 Earth observation satellites by 2020

    More:
    http://tass.com/science/946948
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    Post  Singular_Transform on Mon May 22, 2017 6:36 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:
    Americans don't have ingenuity. They just have money. More money than Russia.


    Russia has half/third as much money as the USA.

    Interesting fact, the US had only third bigger population than Russia when it done the moon program.


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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  Project Canada on Tue May 23, 2017 2:54 am



    Putin sets task of accelerating work on super-heavy rocket

    SOCHI, May 22. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin has set a task of accelerating work on a super-heavy rocket, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin told journalists on Monday after a government meeting on the space industry development.
    "We looked at a serious perspective - a perspective of developing a super-heavy-class rocket," he said. "The president set a task for Roscosmos [Russia’s state space corporation] to accelerate work by means of developing the technologies presented by general designers."

    According to Rogozin, the government has approved a plan of further use of the Baikonur spaceport, which will be discussed in Kazakhstan within days. "We plan to immediately start work on a medium-class rocket that would be competitive with the United States’ latest developments on the commercial services market," he said, adding that this rocket will have a carrying capacity of 17 tonnes.
    Apart from that, in his words, it is planned to use Baikonur’s launching pad for Zenit rockets. He said this work will be part of the plan for the development of a super-heavy-class rocket and stressed the importance of large-scale cooperation with
    Kazakhstan

    http://tass.com/science/947004

    It wasnt clear in the article where this new Heavy rocket will be launched from but I certainly hope its designed for the new Vostochny Cosmodrome and not Baikonur, unless Kazakhstan becomes part of RF.
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    Post  kvs on Tue May 23, 2017 3:22 am

    Project Canada wrote:

    Putin sets task of accelerating work on super-heavy rocket

    SOCHI, May 22. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin has set a task of accelerating work on a super-heavy rocket, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin told journalists on Monday after a government meeting on the space industry development.
    "We looked at a serious perspective - a perspective of developing a super-heavy-class rocket," he said. "The president set a task for Roscosmos [Russia’s state space corporation] to accelerate work by means of developing the technologies presented by general designers."

    According to Rogozin, the government has approved a plan of further use of the Baikonur spaceport, which will be discussed in Kazakhstan within days. "We plan to immediately start work on a medium-class rocket that would be competitive with the United States’ latest developments on the commercial services market," he said, adding that this rocket will have a carrying capacity of 17 tonnes.
    Apart from that, in his words, it is planned to use Baikonur’s launching pad for Zenit rockets. He said this work will be part of the plan for the development of a super-heavy-class rocket and stressed the importance of large-scale cooperation with
    Kazakhstan  

    http://tass.com/science/947004

    It wasnt clear in the article where this new Heavy rocket will be launched from but I certainly hope its designed for the new Vostochny Cosmodrome and not Baikonur, unless Kazakhstan becomes part of RF.

    The heavy launcher will be based on modules that are Zenit replacements. The so-called Sunkar will be launched from Kazakhstan and it seems that they want
    they heavy launcher to go there as well. But you are right, it is a retarded idea. They need to invest the money in Russia to build the launch pad at Vostochny.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue May 23, 2017 3:49 am


    No way they will use Baikonur for super heavy, it would be beyond humiliating

    Kazakhstan is shelling out cash to finance Sunkar in order to not be completely dumped once they get rid of Proton but super heavy derivative (and Sunkar itself) will be launched from Vostochny, especially the manned version

    Federation is designed to be used from Vostochny, Angara as well

    Kazakhs will get to have cargo Sunkar and Soyuz (until it's retired)

    Going with manned missions from Kazakhstan would be detrimental to Putin's reputation (one time that ego is actually useful)
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  miketheterrible on Tue May 23, 2017 5:15 am

    What is the point of all these programs?  Couldn't they use the Soyuz-2 for most satellite launches and just continue to advance the Angara line of rockets?  Or is this a quick solution to lack of Zenit and Proton failing? Sorry, I am not familiar with the space rocket systems and all these different programs.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue May 23, 2017 5:21 am

    miketheterrible wrote:What is the point of all these programs?  Couldn't they use the Soyuz-2 for most satellite launches and just continue to advance the Angara line of rockets?  Or is this a quick solution to lack of Zenit and Proton failing?  Sorry, I am not familiar with the space rocket systems and all these different programs.

    Angara is not powerful enough for beyond earth orbit missions and even with super heavy (1xSunkar+4xAngara) it will take two launches to reach the Moon (in orbit assembly)

    Alternative is one massive rocket like NASA SLS but that one will be over billion bucks per launch for one launch per year

    This is not new program, super heavy is extension of Angara series

    And this time Kazakhstan might actually contribute instead of threatening to kick Russia out of Baikonur (not that they will be allowed to keep manned launches anyway)

    It also keeps them obedient for a change

    Time they finally learn that nobody is irreplaceable
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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue May 23, 2017 5:53 am

    When do we expect to see this rocket come into effect?
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue May 23, 2017 1:56 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:When do we expect to see this rocket come into effect?

    Federation will be super heavy rocket's primary payload so it should roughly be in 2030 when Federation gets into service (it is planned to fly in mid 2020s)

    Also, launchpad for Angara is due to be completed by 2025. All three projects are tightly connected and have similar timeframe. So this new rocket should be going right after them in 2030.

    However, depending on how much money and effort they invest into it, you could see Sunkar core stage fly from Baikonur in cargo version before 2030 but that is less likely because they have no reason to rush it. But its still doable theoretically.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue May 23, 2017 10:26 pm


    Spektr-UV launch delayed by couple of years due to budget

    http://tass.ru/kosmos/4272826


    Preliminary design of the Phoenix rocket will be completed in 2017

    http://tass.ru/kosmos/4270864





    confused

    Rogozin does not consider it necessary to duplicate the functions of the cosmodromes Baikonur and Vostochny

    http://tass.ru/kosmos/4271791

    The Deputy Prime Minister noted that minimization of all possible risks occurs due to involvement in the overall work

    SOCHI, May 22. / TASS /. Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin does not consider it necessary to duplicate the functions of Baikonur and Vostochny cosmodromes. He said this on the results of the meeting on the development of the space industry.

    "Of course, you can spend hundreds of billions of rubles on the East to do the same, but it seems to us that minimization of all kinds of risks is due to involvement in the overall work and such mutual understanding between us and Kazakhstani colleagues is already present," Rogozin said.

    The Deputy Prime Minister noted that when making decisions to transfer launches from the Baikonur cosmodrome to the Eastern one, it is necessary, on the one hand, to count money, especially in the conditions of application of sanctions and the existence of economic problems. "On the other hand, if today there is an interest of our traditional partners like Kazakhstan, which is ready to invest in big money in joint projects with Russia, thus gaining experience and the status of a space country ... why not, why from This should be abandoned? " Rogozin asked rhetorically.

    He recalled that at the same time all the programs planned for the spaceport will be implemented. In particular, by 2021 the launch of the Angara missile should be carried out. After 2025, Russia will have to ensure the launch of the Angara with a hydrogen block. "Of course, the adjustment of certain of our plans for the East will arise, first of all, at the expense of Kazakhstan's partner proposal and the logic of actions that will save money, and simultaneously start parallel creation of new withdrawal facilities," Rogozin concluded.

    Question  Can someone who speaks Russian elaborate on this, especially the bolded part?

    Looks to me like they are letting them go gently with Sunkar as peace offering but they could also be back to sucking that Kazakh cock again...  Suspect
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  kvs on Wed May 24, 2017 2:12 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Spektr-UV launch delayed by couple of years due to budget

    http://tass.ru/kosmos/4272826


    Preliminary design of the Phoenix rocket will be completed in 2017

    http://tass.ru/kosmos/4270864





    confused

    Rogozin does not consider it necessary to duplicate the functions of the cosmodromes Baikonur and Vostochny

    http://tass.ru/kosmos/4271791

    The Deputy Prime Minister noted that minimization of all possible risks occurs due to involvement in the overall work

    SOCHI, May 22. / TASS /. Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin does not consider it necessary to duplicate the functions of Baikonur and Vostochny cosmodromes. He said this on the results of the meeting on the development of the space industry.

    "Of course, you can spend hundreds of billions of rubles on the East to do the same, but it seems to us that minimization of all kinds of risks is due to involvement in the overall work and such mutual understanding between us and Kazakhstani colleagues is already present," Rogozin said.

    The Deputy Prime Minister noted that when making decisions to transfer launches from the Baikonur cosmodrome to the Eastern one, it is necessary, on the one hand, to count money, especially in the conditions of application of sanctions and the existence of economic problems. "On the other hand, if today there is an interest of our traditional partners like Kazakhstan, which is ready to invest in big money in joint projects with Russia, thus gaining experience and the status of a space country ... why not, why from This should be abandoned? " Rogozin asked rhetorically.

    He recalled that at the same time all the programs planned for the spaceport will be implemented. In particular, by 2021 the launch of the Angara missile should be carried out. After 2025, Russia will have to ensure the launch of the Angara with a hydrogen block. "Of course, the adjustment of certain of our plans for the East will arise, first of all, at the expense of Kazakhstan's partner proposal and the logic of actions that will save money, and simultaneously start parallel creation of new withdrawal facilities," Rogozin concluded.

    Question  Can someone who speaks Russian elaborate on this, especially the bolded part?

    Looks to me like they are letting them go gently with Sunkar as peace offering but they could also be back to sucking that Kazakh cock again...  Suspect

    It looks like the someone in the Kazakh regime is starting to get the clue that Russia is ready to cut these leeches loose. So they
    are engaged in hot air promises of "big" expenditures to secure the Kazakh space capacity. Coming from these clowns who tried
    to extort money from Russia like Banderastan to run Bikanur, I call foul. They are not credible and I hope that Rogozin, Putin, et al.
    do not get suckered into the partnership BS.

    Vostochny must have put the fear of God in these f*ckers. Now they are promising Russia the Moon.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed May 24, 2017 2:41 am

    kvs wrote:............

    It looks like the someone in the Kazakh regime is starting to get the clue that Russia is ready to cut these leeches loose.  So they
    are engaged in hot air promises of "big" expenditures to secure the Kazakh space capacity.   Coming from these clowns who tried
    to extort money from Russia like Banderastan to run Bikanur, I call foul.   They are not credible and I hope that Rogozin, Putin, et al.
    do not get suckered into the partnership BS.  

    Vostochny must have put the fear of God in these f*ckers.   Now they are promising Russia the Moon.  

    If Kazakhs want to keep that spaceport in use then they can start with foregoing all rental fees, completely refurbishing entire facility, cleaning up surrounding area (because it looks like garbage dump), fully financing R&D of Sunkar rocket and paying their fair share of day to day expenses.

    Of course, this should get them Soyuz and Sunkar. No manned spacecraft beyond stock Soyuz.

    Once Federation, Angara and Fenix super heavy are up and running then it has to be Vostochny all the way.

    Kazaks can get their fair share of cargo traffic provided they contribute. But that is it. Besides, who knows when will they change their mind again and start with usual BS again. And who can guarantee that regime in Kazakhstan will stay same or friendly?

    Playing safe and smart is the way to go.

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