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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:48 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    And yes, F1 is run by monkeys. Driving around in circles the whole day…

    That is NASCAR... isn't it?

    what monkeys ? what monkeys? they are apes !!!





    Iskra, the engineering design bureau, is developing an emergency rescue system for the Federation spacecraft.


    https://tass.ru/kosmos/5671544
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:16 pm


    Looks like they figured out the cause of Soyuz crash:

    https://ria.ru/space/20181020/1531094932.html?referrer_block=index_main_2

    The Blok D strapon front bearing has protrusions for mounting in the grooves of Blok A. The workers couldn't fit it in at first so they forced it and bent the protrusion so that it hung up at separation.


    So a component didn't fit so they forced it into place. Same as Proton sensor they hammered into position upside down.

    Looks like a recurring theme... No
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GarryB on Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:03 am

    Good test of the safety system...
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:32 pm

    GarryB wrote:Good test of the safety system...

    It would be if it were planned

    It wasn't

    Otherwise USS Forestall would qualify as good test of fire prevention systems and Chernobyl as good test of evacuation procedures
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:12 pm

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/113232/

    Russian micro-satellite TNS-0 No. 2 has exceeded a period of more than 2 times

    The so-called "nanosatellite" domestic production TNS-0 No. 2 working in orbit since August of 2017, when it's launched directly from the ISS for our astronauts. The unit has established not only a record of the work, but also allowed to perform the many necessary experiments for the needs of Russian cosmonautics.

    TNS-0 No. 2 was originally built for a simple and inexpensive scheme: this "companion device" (the concept implies an approach to the development, testing and operation of spacecraft as a finished device). If necessary, it is possible to install any payload, to extend the functionality through additional modules, engines, solar panels or the receiving-transmitting devices, as reported by its developers.

    The weight of the unit with all service systems is just 4 kg, while it can take on Board up to 6 kg payload. Unlike the TNS-0 No. 2 from the so-called student nanosatellites is that when creating and testing were fulfilled all the requirements for "large" spacecraft. The same applies to installed on Board the spacecraft instruments.

    Every day the satellite is at least 10 times sending back data about its status and about the work equipment. Now the number of communication sessions already close to 4000. That gave the work a small Russian spacecraft for its creators from RKS, Institute of applied mathematics im. M. V. Keldysh and RSC "Energia"?

    On the TNS-0 No. 2 was successfully tested by the Russian Autonomous navigation system. Its data enabled high precision direct VHF antenna MCC to establish a connection with the device. In the experiment, it was proved that the accuracy of the device provides independent control of the orbit of TNS-0 No. 2 of foreign ground systems like NORAD, which is often used by the creators of the satellites nanoglass.

    Was successfully tested as the control channel and data exchange satellite communication system "Globalstar". The modem of this system mounted on Board of TNS-0 No. 2, provided a reliable channel for bilateral data transmission. The use of satellite communications allows you to connect to the satellite from any place on Earth or in space, where there is access to the Internet. To maintain backup communication channel was used installed on Board the satellite VHF radio.

    On the basis of the current state of the satellite engineers concluded that its resources could last another almost 2 years. All this time it is planned to carry out additional experiments to determine the extreme deadlines of the various devices of the apparatus in space. These data will allow at minimum cost significantly increase the active lifetime of the spacecraft built on the basis of promising Russian nanoparticulas platform. In the course of further work planned correction software that provides extended time of Autonomous flight up to 30 days. An important step will be the study of the behavior of the TNS-0 No. 2 at the time of entry into the dense layers of the atmosphere. Now experts of the RCC are preparing to launch TNS-0 No. 3 — another apparatus on the basis of a unified nanoparticulas platform that is now used for ground tests conducted on-orbit experiments.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GarryB on Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:50 am

    It would be if it were planned

    It wasn't

    Otherwise USS Forestall would qualify as good test of fire prevention systems and Chernobyl as good test of evacuation procedures

    If it were planned then it would not be so "realistic".

    It does not need to be a planned test to be an effective test of a system.

    Using Su-34s in Syria does not require it to crash for it to be a full test of the system...

    A fault occurred and the rescue system was tested through normal operational use.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:50 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    It would be if it were planned

    It wasn't

    Otherwise USS Forestall would qualify as good test of fire prevention systems and Chernobyl as good test of evacuation procedures

    If it were planned then it would not be so "realistic".

    It does not need to be a planned test to be an effective test of a system.

    Using Su-34s in Syria does not require it to crash for it to be a full test of the system...

    A fault occurred and the rescue system was tested through normal operational use.

    Seriously?

    This is same type of lame excuse that I'd expect from my students when they drop the ball on the test... No
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 24, 2018 8:39 am

    So you are saying the safety system is totally unproven and therefore it is not a safe system and must be cancelled... and the entire management team fired...

    Jesus... get over yourself...

    A fault occurred and the back up safety system worked as it was designed... your classes must be a nightmare... no looking for silver linings or your all fail.

    Ironic because the real thing I learned from school when I was there was that not everyone wins... and no one wins all the time, but when you don't win try to learn valuable lessons from the failure and then it stops being a failure... it becomes experience... or you can win at everything... which suggests you are not challenging yourself, so when you come up against anything hard you are screwed because you will be a failure and a loser...

    If you are afraid of failure then you will never take risks and never be really good at anything.

    But of course I am not a teacher, this teacher thinks I am a dunce...

    I mean a safety system in a rocket wasn't tested this time... the probably never tested it... just thought... this might work and put it on there hoping it will never be needed so it wont matter if it works or not... Rolling Eyes
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:56 am

    Russia successfully tested a key element of a space nuclear engine

    MOSCOW, October 29 - RIA News. The most important element of the megawatt class of the nuclear power plant in Russia being developed, its cooling system, has successfully passed ground tests, it follows from the materials that are publicly available on the public procurement site .

    “The works have been completed in full. The results meet the requirements of the technical specifications,” the acceptance report says.

    As follows from the materials, the tests revealed patterns of functioning of the elements and assemblies of promising systems for the removal of heat from a nuclear power plant of the megawatt class in ground conditions as close as possible to the conditions of space. The customer is the Roskosmos state corporation, and the principal executor is the Keldysh Research Center State Scientific Center.

    Nuclear power plants, which can provide flights in space for long distances, are very hot, so they need an efficient cooling system. In this case, the heat from them must be diverted to outer space, and only in the form of radiation. The traditional method for solving this problem was the panel radiators carried to the outer part of the ship, through which pipes coolant-coolant circulates, “shedding” excess heat into space. But such radiators, as a rule, are heavy and heavy. In addition, they are not protected from hitting meteorites.
    Specialists from a number of enterprises of Roscosmos and universities have developed a new solution in the form of a so-called drip-emitter cooler. This installation is similar to a shower, in which liquid does not circulate in pipes, but is sprayed in the form of droplets directly into open space, gives off heat there, and then is caught by the intake device and passes a new cycle. Due to this, the liquid cools much faster (due to the larger surface area of ​​the droplets), and the design becomes much lighter, in addition, its survivability increases — a meteorite that has flown through the liquid does not damage the cooling system.

    As noted in the acceptance report, "experimental samples of the droplet generator and elements of the intake device were manufactured and tested ... a program of experimental studies of the model of the drop-cooler-emitter was carried out."
    Since 2010, Russia has been implementing an unparalleled project to create a transport and energy module based on a megawatt-class nuclear power propulsion system. The goal of the project is to ensure Russia's leading position in the development of highly efficient energy systems for space purposes, which qualitatively enhance their functionality.

    The technical solutions incorporated into the concept of the transport and energy module will allow solving a wide range of space tasks, including the programs of research of the Moon and research missions to distant planets, the creation of automatic bases on them.


    https://ria.ru/science/20181029/1531649544.html

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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:14 pm


    Onboard video of Soyuz incident

    Front pin holding the booster to core stage was damaged during assembly and didn't separate properly

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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  George1 on Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:09 pm

    MOSCOW, November 2. /TASS/. Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev has signed a decree paving the way for Russia’s cooperation in space research and industry with its partners from the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS).

    More:
    http://tass.com/science/1029042
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:15 am

    http://www.tsagi.ru/pressroom/news/3473/

    TSAGI news. From last year but nice tho. In short an air breathing electro engine fo low orbit sats  russia  russia  russia




    FSUE "TsAGI" presented a joint project with the MAI

    http://www.tsagi.ru/pressroom/news/3473/


    Specialists of the Central Aerohydrodynamic Institute named after Professor N.Ye. Zhukovsky (part of the Research Center "Institute named after N. Zhukovsky") reported on the progress of the joint project in the field of engine development. The TsAGI partner was the Moscow Aviation Institute (National Research University).

    The work is devoted to the creation and use of direct-flow aerial electrojet engines (air propulsion) for the long-term maintenance of spacecraft (SC) in ultra-low orbits - 150–250 km. The studies are carried out within the framework of the TsAGI — RAS program.

    Due to similar power plants, the lifetime of a spacecraft in ultra-low orbits will no longer depend on the fuel supply replaced by gases from a rarefied atmosphere surrounding the device. In addition, the flight in ultra-low orbits will significantly reduce the cost of launching the spacecraft, as well as the required power of the transmitters and receivers of satellite communications.


    Earlier, TsAGI specialists developed a physico-mathematical model of the processes occurring in the air intake and gas accumulator of the PFER. Then the scientists formed the conditions for a long stay of the satellite with such an engine in low orbits and obtained a synthesis of the optimal control of the spacecraft with a new type of power plant.

    In turn, colleagues from the MAI designed and tested the main elements of the motor part, substantiated the choice of materials for the EPER, and also upgraded the stand to simulate its work in orbit. Further, the specialists of the two institutes plan to create a valid model of the atomic engine, test it and confirm the operability and correct interaction of the gas intake devices and the engine part.

    The TsAGI — RAS program has been operating since 2000. Its goal is to apply the results of fundamental research of the Russian Academy of Sciences to solve practical problems of the aerospace industry. As a leading institute, TsAGI performs a connecting role between the Russian Academy of Sciences and industrial enterprises, organizing applied research on the most topical issues of aircraft manufacturing. Joint research scientists TsAGI and MAI in the development of advanced engines started in 2013.


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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  Big_Gazza on Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:34 pm

    Successful launch of Glonass-M from Plesetsk onboard Soyuz-2.1b/Fregat

    https://ria.ru/space/20181104/1532105577.html



    Two quick launches of Soyuz variants following the MS-10 abort. Good result, and I'd be surprised if the Soyuz MS-11 isn't cleared for Dec 04.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:19 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:Successful launch of Glonass-M from Plesetsk onboard Soyuz-2.1b/Fregat

    https://ria.ru/space/20181104/1532105577.html

    https://pp.userapi.com/c846221/v846221277/126176/kTuulNR9-Ko.jpg

    Two quick launches of Soyuz variants following the MS-10 abort. Good result, and I'd be surprised if the Soyuz MS-11 isn't cleared for Dec 04.


    No.

    It will be good result once they go over sign-in sheets​ and identify clown who hammered pin on that crashed Soyuz into place, trashed the whole thing and nearly killed two people.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:01 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    No.

    It will be good result once they go over sign-in sheets​ and identify clown who hammered pin on that crashed Soyuz into place, trashed the whole thing and nearly killed two people.


    you have some Freudian grudge against a hammer-man. I'm sure they are searching this. Oh high level.





    Named strategic areas of cooperation between Russia and China in space


    MOSCOW, November 5 - RIA News. Manned space flight, development and creation of spacecraft, joint development and use of navigation systems GLONASS and Beidou are of strategic importance in the framework of cooperation between Russia and China in the space sector, told the journalists the first deputy head of the Russian government apparatus Sergei Prikhodko.

    He noted that cooperation with China in the space sector is developing on the basis of the program for 2018-2022, which was signed in November last year. It includes such areas as the study of the Moon and deep space, space science and related technologies, satellites and their applications, the element base and materials, cooperation in the field of remote sensing data, monitoring of space debris.

    "On a planned basis, work is underway on 66 topics. Among them, the development and creation of spacecraft and electronic component base, the exchange of satellite data of Earth remote sensing, manned cosmonautics, as well as the joint development and use of GLONASS and Beidou navigation systems are of strategic importance, - Prikhodko said, answering the question of whether the countries are now working on a large bilateral space project, similar to the joint work of the Russian Federation and the PRC on the creation of a heavy helicopter and wide-body long-haul aircraft.
    РИА Новости https://ria.ru/space/20181105/1532130895.html


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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:08 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    No.

    It will be good result once they go over sign-in sheets​ and identify clown who hammered pin on that crashed Soyuz into place, trashed the whole thing and nearly killed two people.


    you have some Freudian grudge against a hammer-man. I'm sure they are searching this. Oh high level.

    High level?

    This is as low as level can get. High level don't do assembly.

    Find incompetent clown and prosecute his ass. Then find whoever hired him and do the same.

    There were no victims​ this time. There will be victims​ real soon If they keep chasing after conspiracy theories instead of solving problems with incompetent workforce.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:15 am

    PapaDragon wrote:

    Find incompetent clown and prosecute his ass. Then find whoever hired him and do the same.

    There were no victims​ this time.  There will be victims​ real soon If they keep chasing after conspiracy theories instead of solving problems with incompetent workforce.

    high level means FSB. Or GRU as this is counter intel.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:19 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:

    Find incompetent clown and prosecute his ass. Then find whoever hired him and do the same.

    There were no victims​ this time.  There will be victims​ real soon If they keep chasing after conspiracy theories instead of solving problems with incompetent workforce.

    high level means FSB. Or GRU as this is counter intel.

    So back to conspiracy theories?

    Perp's name is on sign-in sheet, his face is on security footage (the do have that, right?)

    It's a slam dunk job. Unless they allow everyone and their Uncle Leonid to walk around assembly building unsupervised...
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:36 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    So back to conspiracy theories?

    Perp's name is on sign-in sheet, his face is on security footage (the do have that, right?)

    It's a slam dunk job. Unless they allow everyone and their Uncle Leonid to walk around assembly building unsupervised...


    You see, in your description there are already doubt and different scenarios. FSB is not about conspiracy (although this cannot be excluded) but ti find out what happened (can be criminal negligence too) and ensure this happens not anymore.

    Who can ensure that one of assembly guys is not psycho? or his family is threatened? FSB is to make sure real causes are discovered.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GarryB on Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:16 am

    you have some Freudian grudge against a hammer-man. I'm sure they are searching this. Oh high level.

    I found him...


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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:06 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:..............

    You see, in your description there are already doubt and different scenarios.  FSB is not about conspiracy (although this cannot be excluded) but ti find out what happened (can be criminal negligence too) and ensure  this happens not anymore.

    Who can ensure that one of assembly guys is not psycho? or his family is threatened?  FSB is to make sure real causes are discovered.


    Threatened by who? Zionists? Lizard Men? Elvis?

    Or maybe by Americans who would like to kill one of their own to make Russia look bad? They bothered for nothing because Russia is doing their job for them already.

    Just more excuses for incompetence. And as always no concept of dignity.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:15 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    you have some Freudian grudge against a hammer-man. I'm sure they are searching this. Oh high level.

    I found him...

    black Russian? this the only one I knew so far lol1 lol1 lol1




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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  slasher on Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:35 pm

    George1 wrote:MOSCOW, November 2. /TASS/. Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev has signed a decree paving the way for Russia’s cooperation in space research and industry with its partners from the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS).

    More:
    http://tass.com/science/1029042

    And a couple days here's this: Kazakhstan chose the American Falcon to the Russian "Union": Launching satellites with a Falcon 9 launch vehicle is cheaper, Astana says.
    scratch
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:55 pm

    slasher wrote:........
    And a couple days here's this: Kazakhstan chose the American Falcon to the Russian "Union": Launching satellites with a Falcon 9 launch vehicle is cheaper, Astana says.
    scratch

    Remember when people were criticizing construction of Vostochnii and shilling for Baikonur and Kazaks? lol1

    Drop that whole wasteland and focus on the job.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:08 pm


    Will someone here like to tell me more about how Russia will be first to put man on Mars?   lol1


    Russian space leader issues decree against trash, “sloppy” work attitudes. Among the problems observed, according to the newspaper, are holes in walls and wooden roofs, with buckets on tables and floors to capture water leaks.

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/11/russian-space-leader-issues-decree-against-trash-sloppy-work-attitudes/



    You think someone would have sorted this already but nope....

    Still, it must all be sabotage by Zionist sponsored 5th column, right?  Razz

    Keep in mind that these are same clowns who suggest going solo after withdrawing from cis-lunar station and waste time competing on private launch market. They can even fix the wooden roof FFS, is it any surprise that they have holes on freakin' space capsules?

    They should feel lucky that others are forced ''willing'' to work with them in the first place... until they no longer need them which is right around the corner.

    But hey, maybe they can ''test'' Soyuz escape system again with people onboard? After hammering sensitive component into place? Because that's how those things are done... Laughing

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