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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Sep 15, 2018 1:34 pm

    Roskosmos can create a technical customer service to improve the quality of technology



    The head of the state corporation Dmitry Rogozin also drew the attention of his colleagues to the fact that the quality and reliability of machinery depends on the quality and reliability of people responsible for it

    MOSCOW, September 14. / TASS /. Roskosmos will consider the possibility of creating a technical customer service to improve the quality and reliability of rocket and space technology. Such a proposal was made during a scientific and practical conference on improving the quality of space technology, the press service of the state corporation said on Friday.

    "As a result of the discussions, several proposals were made: Roskosmos state corporation as a customer to form a technical customer service, head enterprises and enterprises to equipment suppliers to complete studies on existing faults, head institutions together with head enterprises to qualify the equipment improvements based on the results of the fault investigation," in the press service.


    Head of Roskosmos Dmitry Rogozin drew the attention of colleagues to the fact that the quality and reliability of technology depends on the quality and reliability of people who are responsible for this technique. "I ask you once again to take a fresh look at the way things are organized at your enterprises, to analyze everything that happened before, because everything that breaks down in space falls on our heads in a direct and figurative sense," he said. , referring to the leaders of enterprises of the industry.

    The press service reported that the acting. Nikolay Sevastyanov, First Deputy General Director of Roskosmos, made a general report on the shortcomings in ensuring the quality and reliability of products of rocket and space equipment in service. "The report examines in detail the current technical state of launch vehicles, automatic and manned space vehicles, presents an analysis of the causes of failures and malfunctions, as well as the directions for improving the system for ensuring the quality and reliability of rocket and space technology," the state corporation said.

    "In the second part of the conference, the heads of the supplier enterprises presented" Analysis of the existing malfunctions of on-board equipment of rocket and space equipment in service and measures to exclude them for products in production, "the press service added.
    https://tass.ru/kosmos/5567400
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:26 pm

    Robot Fyodor was handed over to Roskosmos for the flight preparation.


    MOSCOW, September 19 (Itar-Tass) - RIA Novosti. A demonstration sample of the Fyodor robotics complex will be handed over to the Roskosmos state corporation, which plans to ship it to space on the new Federation ship, the Advanced Research Foundation (FPI) reports.

    FEDOR (FEDOR - Final Experimental Demonstration Object Research) - the first domestic humanoid robot developed by FPI together with the NGO "Android Technology" by order of the Ministry of Emergency Measures as a rescue robot. It is planned that in 2021 the robot will go into space on the new Russian spacecraft Federation. In addition, Fedor was the first robot in the world to learn how to sit on a string.
    https://ria.ru/space/20180919/1528921931.html




    Tingsay wrote:Wow didnt even notice this till now. Very funny!  Laughing Laughing Laughing

    Prototype of Russian killer satellite Razz Razz Razz

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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:50 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:

    Robot Fyodor  was handed over to Roskosmos  for the flight preparation.


    ........... It is planned that in 2021 the robot will go into space on the new Russian spacecraft Federation. ........

    https://ria.ru/space/20180919/1528921931.html...........

    2021 launch date for Federation? That's pretty damn optimistic. I do hope they manage to pull it off....




    ALSO, they seem to have officially settled on winged approach for reusable rockets:

    Russia Plans to Develop Reusable Stage for Carrier Rocket by 2023, FPI Says

    https://sputniknews.com/science/201809201068184144-russia-develop-reusable-rocket/
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Sep 20, 2018 4:16 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:

    2021 launch date for Federation? That's pretty damn optimistic. I do hope they manage to pull it off....


    ALSO, they seem to have officially settled on winged approach for reusable rockets:

    Russia Plans to Develop Reusable Stage for Carrier Rocket by 2023, FPI Says


    There are 2 variables here to me:
    1) Budget
    2) efficiency of spending thereof

    Perhaps 1isnto increased but 2 is?
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  AlfaT8 on Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:27 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:ALSO, they seem to have officially settled on winged approach for reusable rockets:

    Russia Plans to Develop Reusable Stage for Carrier Rocket by 2023, FPI Says

    https://sputniknews.com/science/201809201068184144-russia-develop-reusable-rocket/

    Thnk Chirst, that concepts been on the books since Energia.

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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  Vann7 on Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:52 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:

    I wouldn't be surprised that US astronauts did this. The problem cannto be solved by telling thsi loud IMHO. First of all who is owner of Kommersant would be nice to know...



    even RT in spanish told Russia space agency asked NASA for medical record of US astronauts mental condition..
    after this sabotage incident.. Shocked So Russia government funded media , was questioning if US astronauts
    did it or not.. If this sabotage , is confirmed that was done by NASA ,it means Russia needs to cancel all space
    projects with NASA..otherwise the life of Russian cosmonauts will be at risk.. Relations are so bad. and US military could pressure the astronauts to do anything to harm Russia.

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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  Vann7 on Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:56 am

    Russia government is like a  circus ,with elephants and clowns and jumping bears..
    Now people blaming each other from major flaws in the construction of the new space port.. Laughing

    They can't even build concrete right..  lol1

    Omg!!  Didn't i told that Putin is the king of the incompetence? now what is next a new criminal
    investigation to try to find who to blame..  Rolling Eyes  a brand new space port.. already need repairs
    for the major flaws on its construction..  lol1

    Source: rails had to be reinstalled due to cavities under Soyuz launch pad at Vostochny

    More:
    http://tass.com/science/1022411  



    The contractors in charge did not followed the quality controls ,that was requested.. So who is to blame
    for This??  really embarasing.. there is an epidemic issue in Russia on leadership . terrible supervision on all their projects..
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  Big_Gazza on Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:01 pm

    Vann7 wrote:Russia government is like a  circus ,with elephants and clowns and jumping bears..
    Now people blaming each other from major flaws in the construction of the new space port.. Laughing

    They can't even build concrete right..  lol1

    Omg!!  Didn't i told that Putin is the king of the incompetence? now what is next a new criminal
    investigation to try to find who to blame..  Rolling Eyes  a brand new space port.. already need repairs
    for the major flaws on its construction..  lol1

    Source: rails had to be reinstalled due to cavities under Soyuz launch pad at Vostochny

    More:
    http://tass.com/science/1022411  



    The contractors in charge did not followed the quality controls ,that was requested.. So who is to blame
    for This??  really embarasing.. there is an epidemic issue in Russia on leadership . terrible supervision on all  their projects..

    LOL?  What exactly do you find funny?....  I'm starting to think you are some kind of demented Ukrop....    Suspect

    Try to get this in perspective.  Of all the many thousands of tons of concrete lad in this project, some has proved to be below standard due to be being laid in  poor weather conditions (yep, that happens in the far east during winder...).  Big &ucking deal.  Identify the problem then fix it.  Might I remind you that Vostochny is open for business? Some below-spec concrete doesn't change that, and calling this a "major flaw" is just plain Chicken-Little BS.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:25 pm

    Vann7 wrote:

    even RT in spanish told  Russia space agency asked NASA for medical record of US astronauts mental condition..
    after this sabotage incident.. Shocked   So Russia government funded media , was questioning if US astronauts
    did it or not.. If this sabotage , is confirmed that was done by NASA ,it means Russia needs to cancel all space
    projects with NASA..otherwise the life of Russian cosmonauts will be at risk.. Relations are so bad. and  US military could pressure the astronauts to do anything to harm Russia.

    My bet is on US astronauts. But you cannot prove it and you cannot break relations because of that. Only better surveillance next time can help.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:44 pm

    Russia refused to participate in the lunar project with the Americans

    KOROLYOV (Moscow region), Sep 22 - RIA Novosti.  Russia can not afford to participate in the project of a near-moon station with the USA on secondary roles and intends to offer its project to the station, said the head of Roskosmos Dmitry Rogozin.

    "Will it be a Russian or an international station, this is the subject of negotiations," he said at a meeting with the industry's young specialists.
    Rogozin also did not rule out that the US can participate in the new project. In addition, the station can be established with BRICS partner countries.

    According to the head of Roskosmos, during the preparation for the launch of the new crew scheduled for October 11 on the ISS, he will hold talks at Baikonur with the NASA administrator Jim Brydenstein and tell him about the Russian vision of cooperation in the Moon's orbit.

    The Gateway Project
    In September last year, Roskosmos and NASA signed a memorandum of cooperation in the creation of an international near-moon station, later called The Gateway.

    It is assumed that the first module - Power Propulsion Module - will be launched to the Moon in 2022, and in 2023, the ESPRIT fuel storage module and the USUtilization Module, manufactured by the international partners, will go into space.
    In addition, at the same time it is planned to launch a logistics module and a manipulator arm for carrying cargoes along the surface of the station. In 2024-2025, international and American residential modules should be added.

    Russia was offered to build a lock compartment for the cosmonauts' exit to the surface of the station. However, as the source told RIA Novosti, this role did not suit the Russian side - the compartment should be built according to American technical standards and under the American spacesuit.

    https://ria.ru/science/20180922/1529128931.html?referrer_block=index_main_5


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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  Hole on Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:05 pm

    The BRICS should build space stations together.

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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  Tingsay on Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:12 pm

    Hole wrote:The BRICS should build space stations together.

    *BRIC

    South Africa is in recession, thanks to stupid black nationalists. No way SA would be thinking of any major space projects.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  Isos on Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:35 pm

    Tingsay wrote:
    Hole wrote:The BRICS should build space stations together.

    *BRIC

    South Africa is in recession, thanks to stupid black nationalists. No way SA would be thinking of any major space projects.

    India needs 15 years to buy 36 rafales. A space station agreement could be reached in 100-150 years I think.

    So BRC maybe.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:18 pm

    Hole wrote:The BRICS should build space stations together.
    me thinks good idea




    Tingsay wrote:
    Hole wrote:The BRICS should build space stations together.
    *BRIC
    South Africa is in recession, thanks to stupid black nationalists. No way SA would be thinking of any major space projects.

    it is still BRICS. Like EU is still  Greece or Bulgaria. Or wannabes in Urkaine.





    Isos wrote:
    India needs 15 years to buy 36 rafales. A space station agreement could be reached in 100-150 years I think.

    The only BRICS country that made it to Mars. Soviets did but Russia nt yet.

    India's Mars Orbiter Mission completes 3 years in orbit


    PTI|Sep 25, 2017, 07.41 PM IST

    BENGALURU: India's rendezvous with the red planet continues as its celebrated Mars Orbiter Mission (MOM) completes three years in orbit.
    "As the country's low-cost Mars Orbiter Mission completes three years in its Martian orbit, the satellite is in good health and continues to work as expected," the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) said.

    The scientific analysis of the data received from the Mars Orbiter spacecraft is in progress, ISRO Public Relations Director Devipra ..

    https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/science/indias-mars-orbiter-mission-completes-3-years-in-orbit/articleshow/60830412.cms
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  Hole on Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:27 pm

    Russia and China would lead the wya in construction of the modules, but India is not far behind. With some help even Brasil could build his own modules. Also India has rockets. Brasil got a small space port. South Africa would be useful als place for ground control systems. Anyone could play his part and spend some money.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:18 pm

    Hole wrote:Russia and China would lead the wya in construction of the modules, but India is not far behind. With some help even Brasil could build his own modules. Also India has rockets. Brasil got a small space port. South Africa would be useful als place for ground control systems. Anyone could play his part and spend some money.

    IMHO it wouldn't be only about money. This would be also political show: we can conquer space without west... as long as e unite. That would be powerful PR for rest of the world.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  Big_Gazza on Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:23 am

    A BRICS lunar station?  Gods forbid, I'd pity the poor Chinese/Russian who was stationed on it having to co-habitat with Indians.  The smell of curry and unwashed jocks n socks in a small enclosed space with recycled air?  He'll be dead in a week.  Laughing

    Don't bother with sledging me about "racism"...  I've personally had to endure under similar circumstances (offshore), so spare me any mock outrage.
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    Post  Hole on Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:07 am

    But you wouldn´t have to wait in line in the call center to get your computer problems solved. Very Happy
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:03 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:

    Russia refused to participate in the lunar project with the Americans

    ......

    I don't think this is a good idea.

    Yes, Americans can be hassle but building one docking module is negligible effort and cost all things considered.

    They could easily stay on this project and build their own station. Two is better than one.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:12 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Don't bother with sledging me about "racism"...  I've personally had to endure under similar circumstances (offshore), so spare me any mock outrage.

    c'mon 20 years ago I saw Pakistani consultants washing their feet in bathroom sink in our office. So dont complain their socks have French cheese flavor.





    PapaDragon wrote:

    I don't think this is a good idea.

    Yes, Americans can be hassle but building one docking module is negligible effort and cost all things considered.

    They could easily stay on this project and build their own station. Two is better than one.

    Let's see how it develops. First with new wave of sanctions Russians will be excluded from own segments.





    "Energy" is ready to offer tourists a service of flying around the moon, a source said.

    MOSCOW, September 23 (Itar-Tass) - RIA Novosti. The Rocket and Space Corporation Energia, like the American company SpaceX, is ready to offer tourists a service on the fly of the Moon, a source in the rocket and space industry told RIA Novosti.

    According to him, "Energy" has been developing the project for many years. "However, now the ticket price has grown a little due to the revision of economic requirements for the project and will be from $ 150 to $ 180 million," the source said.
    He recalled that initially it was "Energy" and the American operator of space tourism that the company Space Adventures entered the commercial market with a proposal for a tourist flight around the Moon. The cost of one of two places (the third was assumed for the commander of the ship - a professional cosmonaut) was $ 150 million.

    Due to lack of demand to lack demand the ticket price dropped to $ 120 million."
    In 2017, the then head of the RSC Energia, Vladimir Solntsev, said that the corporation had been approached by several who wished to fly over the moon. He called this flight real in 2021-2022. At the same time, the modernization of the "Union" to fly around the Moon required $ 500 million.

    The head of Roskosmos Dmitry Rogozin announced on June 28 the possibility of manned flights to the Moon on the Soyuz ships, while the development of the Federation is being completed.


    РИА Новости https://ria.ru/science/20180923/1529149532.html




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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:34 pm


    If I hear another tourism related BS coming from Russians I will choke someone.

    Can they just move on from this 90's style nonsense already?

    Dignity. Look it up Russia.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:01 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    If I hear another tourism related BS coming from Russians I will choke someone.

    Can they just move on from this 90's style nonsense already?

    Dignity. Look it up Russia.

    Actually there is a huuuge gap between 90s and now. Now there is market for such kind of tourism. Space X or Virgin do you think why are doing this? If there is a demand there will be supply. Now Roscosmos also should earn money and with 75-90 mlns/$ per seat it can be a nice business line.

    BTW I cannot understand how people want to pay for sitting 2-3 days in stinking capsule in own shit and enjoying the view you could have in VR googles lol1 lol1 lol1
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  Hole on Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:07 pm

    Put oligarchs like Bezos, Gates or Zuckerberg in this capsules… and then make a small mistake in the calculations so they hit the moon. Twisted Evil
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:00 am

    Hole wrote:Put oligarchs like Bezos, Gates or Zuckerberg in this capsules… and then make a small mistake in the calculations so they hit the moon. Twisted Evil

    at least would be first landing of Americans on the Moon without Hollywood lol1 lol1 lol1
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GarryB on Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:21 am

    Yes, Americans can be hassle but building one docking module is negligible effort and cost all things considered.

    I believe the objection is the demand from the US that the things the Russians build are to US specs for US equipment and space suits rather than their own...

    They could easily stay on this project and build their own station. Two is better than one.

    This is an American project built to their specs and requirements... rather better to build your own than subsidise theirs.

    Let's see how it develops. First with new wave of sanctions Russians will be excluded from own segments.

    Especially after they have their own rocket engines...

    If I hear another tourism related BS coming from Russians I will choke someone.

    Can they just move on from this 90's style nonsense already?

    Dignity. Look it up Russia.

    What are you talking about?

    The only tourists who have been to space for any length of time went up with the Russians...

    If there is demand for it... why not take paying customers?

    That is pretty much what they are already doing for US astronauts to the ISS... Razz


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