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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  LMFS on Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:28 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    after wiki for sn-synchronous-orbit:
    Riding the terminator is useful for active radar satellites, as the satellites' solar panels can always see the Sun, without being shadowed by the Earth. It is also useful for some satellites with passive instruments that need to limit the Sun's influence on the measurements, as it is possible to always point the instruments towards the night side of the Earth. The dawn/dusk orbit has been used for solar-observing scientific satellites such as Yohkoh, TRACE, Hinode and PROBA2, affording them a nearly continuous view of the Sun.

    They all were on 500-800 km
    Thanks!  thumbsup

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    I didnt see any of vid you wanted to show? what secret weapon?! can you provide a source for this? unless it was aout BMP-3M so hard to tell anything. Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

    Not showing any video! Very Happy I was not understanding why the mobile launchers for the Baikal. Since this is good for weapons (relocation) and was not seeing the benefit for commercial launches, was half-joking that maybe the launcher could have a military use, that's all
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  Hole on Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:05 pm

    LMFS wrote:
    Hole wrote:Baikal models:
    Cool pic. Those must be the different configurations of Angara with the Baikal as booster aren't they? The Baikal themselves look a little different to other models, do you know the year of that picture?

    dunno

    At least 7 years old, i guess.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:21 pm

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    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Not showing any video! Very Happy I was not understanding why the mobile launchers for the Baikal.


    affraid affraid affraid this was anywhere with reference to Baikal?!

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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  Vann7 on Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:55 pm

    Hole wrote:Baikal models:




    This looks good.. finally some good news from Russia space program.. now we need good news too in the super heavy carrier projects.. all this things is what makes Russia Great again and help Russia makes headlines world wide and get world wide big support recognition for years if not decades.


    In more good news Russia developing a lazer mammoth cannon.. Very Happy



    https://sputniknews.com/science/201806101065288031-laser-cannon-space-debris/

    Probably this was what Putin was mentioning in the last question/answer conference of other Russia new
    developments that will be announced very soon....  Cool

    Make no mistake this IS the MOST IMPORTANT project of Russia for the defense of the nation .. if it is ambitious
    enough it will be. Because all this S-400s and S-500s will be near obsolete defenses dealing with Massive Nuclear attacks from NATO , with S-500s /s-400s facing thousands of decoys and Jamming.. it will always cause problems.
    It is simple impossible to seal the nation airspace and seal any nation space zone ,with rockets interceptors.. since not only very expensive but very difficult too to intercept a nuclear armed ballistic missile that become hundreds of targets in Radars after it eject its multi entry warheads..  each decoy will look identical to the original missile ,so to shutdown 1 Trident missile for example ,you could end needing dozens if not hundreds of S-500s missiles if all its defenses /decoy /warheads deployed..  Rockets interceptors are not really efficient way of intercepting Multi entry warheads..armed with a hundred of decoys..  Mid course interceptor ,to target tridents way before the warheads separate is much safer way..  but for doing that you need a large and heavy navy armed with mid course interceptors (as NATO have) to intercept ballistic space missiles way before they get close to Russia.
    So the most ideal way to secure your country from a ballistic nuclear attack  will be either deploy Laser cannons in space or deploy it on land.

    Maybe were Russia scientist got the inspiration?  Laughing



    Jokes aside ,eventually if Russia could pull it ,and develop a very very Powerful Laser cannon either on land or space or both , this will eventually for US to got to the negotiating table with Russia ,since a very strong energy weapon system will neutralize NATO Trident missile program ,its space rockets way before they reach Russia ,with a very high probability of success , this will make next to useless the Ohio Submarine fleet..and allow Russia to
    have for the first time.. the ability to strike US with very big Nuclear warheads while at the same time stay safe from NATO tridents missiles or others similar programs.
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    Post  LMFS on Sun Jun 10, 2018 10:31 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    affraid affraid affraid  this was anywhere with reference to Baikal?!

    Yes Sir, here:
    The system was expected to be based on mobile launchers and its maiden flight was scheduled for 2022, the FPI press release said.

    http://www.russianspaceweb.com/baikal.html#2018
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Jun 10, 2018 10:44 pm

    LMFS wrote:
    Yes Sir, here:
    The system was expected to be based on mobile launchers and its maiden flight was scheduled for 2022, the FPI press release said.

    True true I must have omit this. With size and mass of Baikal + rocket it is hard to imagine anything more mobile than a heavy ship ( or German Uber-Maus tank lol1 lol1 lol1 )






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    http://info.sibnet.ru/ni/494/494920x630x0_1473503118.png
    Jokes aside ,eventually if Russia could pull it ,and develop a very very Powerful Laser cannon either on land or space or both , this will eventually for US to got to the negotiating table with Russia ,since a very strong energy weapon system will neutralize NATO Trident missile program ,its space rockets way before they reach Russia ,with a very high probability of success , this will make next to useless the Ohio Submarine fleet..and allow Russia to
    have for the first time.. the ability to strike US with very big Nuclear warheads while at the same time stay safe from NATO tridents missiles or others similar programs.


    IMHO to far reaching conclusions. It is like US is not investing in new developments. If Russia invests in hypersound rockets US cannot? if Russia invests in laser weapons US is not? c'mon.

    As for debris Russian can always reclassify any US satellites'  constellation as debris Smile

    BTW this is reality of Altai Telscope station:



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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  Hole on Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:36 pm

    This is the nozzle of the RD-33.

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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:47 pm

    Hole wrote:This is the nozzle of the RD-33.

    https://i.servimg.com/u/f10/19/89/13/22/000410.jpg

    I doubt that a nozzle. Looks like an aerodynamic spoiler to keep airflow from ripping off folded wing during flight.


    Also, more I look at this thing more I am certain that they can design strap-on version of wing/landing gear setup for Soyuz-5.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:56 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    LMFS wrote:How is this Baikal thing supposed to take off? Launched from heavy transport or Tu-160 maybe??

    ...........

    Standard rocket launch, return to runway is with wings.

    Soyuz-5 will have standard hardpoints for connecting multiple rocket cores so developing wings and landing gear add-ons that could fit on those should be simple enough if concept proves feasible.

    Easier (and less stupid) than designing new reusable rocket from scratch.

    I still think that parachutes are far superior approach but whatever....


    Is it possible to make parachutes strong enough not to damage the rocket stage when it lands?
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:00 am

    LMFS wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    vertically as a booster check the vid/infographics Smile No this wont be ramjet AFAIK but I didnt see official news yet. SO far only about turbojet Sad

    https://cache-igi.cdnvideo.ru/igi/video/2018/5/22/графика%20ангара%20с%20наговором.mp4

    Wow, that is VERY cool. Good to see the Russians can do good CGIs too Very Happy

    So this is apparently a definitive version of Baikal. The original apparently used a RD33 engine to land, interestingly it was placed apparently in the top of the nose with its thrust pointing front and downwards, why would that be? Aerodynamic stability problems due to the design?

    But don't loose the faith Gunship, we will see the cooled ramjet version of this sh*t someday! Laughing

    Actually it would be a huge advantage for this concept both because of the savings in oxidizer and avoiding the need for an additional engine for the landing phase, I agree with you.

    BTW good link about the Baikal:
    http://www.russianspaceweb.com/baikal.html#2018

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    No, I mean huge parachute for landing and some type of landing gear or airbags to put it on the ground softly in horizontal position.
    Simplicity is preferable to flashiness.

    what is cheaper? the whole expedition to reclaim danged stuff, stuff repair right? and howm many days it shall be repaired?
    Baikal AFAIK is jettisoned on 50-60km. No heat shields needed. Flies back as a drone and automatically lands on Vostochny.  Can be refilled and reused the next day. And this is what you call expensive?!

    Have to agree with Gunship on this one. The controllability of the conventional landing approach alone is enough reason to give it a go. If in the relatively near future you can use an air breathing engine the airframe could largely maintain the same concept. Not exactly sure that the provisions for the parachutes etc. needed to ensure a safe landing are much lighter and smaller than the extra weight incurred by the Baikal due to wings, landing gear, turbojet etc. But I have already seen somewhere a concept that could work:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwmLbELEnGg

    Minute 4:00  Cool

    Two additional considerations:

    1) What does it mean that it can place 600 kg in Sun-synchronic orbit, how does it translate into other altitude-related orbits like LEO, GEO etc.?

    2) Why is this new superlight reusable system meant to be used from mobile launchers??? Does it have "secondary" applications maybe?  Suspect

    The billions needed to create reliable landing software(plus god knows how many years and billions in landing gear tests) massively outweigh the cost of the voyage to reclaim parachuted rocket stages.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  Hole on Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:19 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Hole wrote:This is the nozzle of the RD-33.

    https://i.servimg.com/u/f10/19/89/13/22/000410.jpg

    I doubt that a nozzle. Looks like an aerodynamic spoiler to keep airflow from ripping off folded wing during flight.


    Also, more I look at this thing more I am certain that they can design strap-on version of wing/landing gear setup for Soyuz-5.

    Believe me, it is the nozzle of the RD-33. The engine is located in the nose.


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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  LMFS on Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:47 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:
    The billions needed to create reliable landing software(plus god knows how many years and billions in landing gear tests)  massively outweigh the cost of the voyage to reclaim parachuted rocket stages.
    In my experience the SW development is the cheapest one... tooling, prototyping, testing, industrialization is when the money really needs to flow massively in a project. For instance, take the PAK-FA: let's say that a PAK-FA prototype costs 100 million dollar (just an order of magnitude, in line with expected unit price even when prototypes are more expensive than serial units). Calculate how many programmers you can have working for how long with that amount of money. And the autonomous landing is a known issue, so no breakthrough in control technology needed to implement it.

    As for the tests needed, agreed they can be expensive, but are the parachute tests going to be free of costs and risks? Besides, the success of your launching method depends on it being economically competitive with other reusable concepts being developed and reliable in the long run, otherwise you will not get orders for launchings or you will need to offer them on a loss...
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:28 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:
    The billions needed to create reliable landing software(plus god knows how many years and billions in landing gear tests)  massively outweigh the cost of the voyage to reclaim parachuted rocket stages.

    ok so development new tools technology, spacecrafts and knowledge is not economical O for Russia but for west, Japan, Korea, india or China it is?! interesting concept indeed




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    In my experience the SW development is the cheapest one... .

    actually it is not. And it is growing. For Grippen or F-35 class of fighter there is 20,000,000 lines of code. Sensor fusion, AI, soft defined radios cyberseucrity and in RT. Bad software costs ennormously - programme delays (vide F-35 is lat mainly due to SW...) .

    Once I've seen a SEI presentation about cost of quality of software. There were % SW investment of programme cost. For either B-2 or F-35 (dotn remeber but vote for F-35 Smile it was like up 35%. That is the reason SEI created CMM methodology - for military and space SW mainly.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  dino00 on Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:49 pm

    Any information on what is project Aquarel?
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  Big_Gazza on Sun Jun 17, 2018 2:49 am

    I'll re-post these as they are currently topical in this thread - the proposed methodology for re-use of the Zenit-based strap-ons of the Energia stack




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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:07 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:I'll re-post these as they are currently topical in this thread - the proposed methodology for re-use of the Zenit-based strap-ons of the Energia stack

    Wait isnt Zenit Ukrainian rocket now?! what ia the sense for Russian space programme to use it?



    http://www.arms-expo.ru/news/kosmos/nikolay_sevastyanov_sfera_poluchit_elementy_iskusstvennogo_intellekta_/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com

    Nikolai Sevastyanov: "Sphere" will receive elements of artificial intelligence


    President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin on June 7 during the "Direct Line" reported on the unique Russian space program "Sphere", for which in the coming years it is planned to launch 600 satellites. The Head of State noted that Sphere would be able to replace the cable connection, and that the quality and coverage of the territories would not be worse, but at the same time cheaper and more affordable.


    What satellites will be included in the system and how they will be launched, what breakthrough technologies will be used in the program, said Acting First Deputy General Director of Roskosmos State Corporation Nikolai Sevastyanov.

    - Which satellites will be part of the Sfera system?

    - Roskosmos develops global satellite groupings. Currently, the GLONASS navigation system is functioning and developing, which is actively used for solving navigation problems. The next step is the creation of a global grouping of satellites "Sphere", which will provide mobile communication and optical observation in real time at any point of the Earth. To effectively solve these problems, a greater number of small satellites in low orbits should be used.

    It is important that the technology of mass production of small satellites based on the principles of mass production, which reduces specific costs, will be introduced to create the "Sphere" system. The technology of multi-satellites will increase the reliability of the Sfera system as a whole.

    - On what rocket is planned to display such a number of satellites - 600 units?

    - The satellites are planned to be launched by clusters on a heavy missile "Angara-5", which has already been developed. The launch vehicle complex at the Plesetsk launch site has already been built for the Angara-5 launch vehicle, and it successfully passed its first launch. This year, the construction of the second launch complex of the Angara-5 heavy rocket begins at the Vostochny space center. The Angara-5 missile is being used to replace the Proton-M heavy rocket and will provide Russia with guaranteed access to space from the Russian territory of any existing payloads to different orbits, in the interests of both public and private customers.

    - Any advanced technologies will be used to create the system "Sphere"?

    - When creating the system "Sphere" will use advanced developments in the field of digital technologies, including supercomputer multiprocessor systems, digital geoinformation technologies and self-learning neural networks (the ability of neural networks to self-learn is one of the examples of artificial intelligence - TASS note).

    - What will the system "Sphere" give to ordinary users?

    - "Sphere" is a logical development of the ideology of multisatellite systems, already implemented in the GLONASS system, for solving the problems of global navigation. The Sfera system will provide consumers with mobile communication services and surveillance anywhere in the world, which will further inform the society. Specialists of one of Roskosmos enterprises - Russian Space Systems JSC - earlier presented their proposals on one of the subsystems of "Sphere" called "Ether", which is intended for the organization of mobile communications and the Internet of things.

    The text was provided by the press service of Roskosmos.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:08 am

    Parachutes, just like I said. Keep it simple.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  Big_Gazza on Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:24 am

    Soyuz / Glonass-M satellite launched from Plesetsk

    The Soyuz-2.1b rocket was launched from the Plesetsk cosmodrome with the Glonass-M navigation satellite, the Russian Defense Ministry's Information and Communications Department told reporters on Sunday.

    "On Sunday, June 17, at 00.46 Moscow time from the launcher N4 of the site of the Plesetsk cosmodrome, a successful launch of the Soyuz-2.1b medium-range rocket with the navigation satellite Glonass-M was conducted by the combat calculation of the Space Forces of the Space Forces. the report said.

    It is noted that the prelaunch operations and launch of the missile were controlled with the help of a ground-based automated control system for space vehicles and passed in the regular mode.

    The general leadership of the launch was conducted by Colonel-General Sergei Surovikin, Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Air Force.

    This is the second launch of the Soyuz-2 launch vehicle from the Plesetsk cosmodrome in 2018. Flight tests of the Soyuz-2 space rocket complex began at the Plesetsk cosmodrome on November 8, 2004. Over the past 14 years, 33 launchings of Soyuz-2 carrier rockets from modernization stages 1a, 1b and 1c have been carried out from the northern launch site. In addition, 21 launch of Soyuz-2 was carried out from the Baikonur cosmodrome and two more launches from the new Russian spaceport Vostochny.


    http://www.interfax.ru/russia/617252
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:54 am

    PapaDragon wrote:Parachutes, just like I said. Keep it simple.

    Sure Ford T keep it simple why do you need no 4 valved no computer in engine and also can manually start the engine! or bettwr why do you need a car if you can use horses? simpler and ecological Smile
    The question is who is going to buy outdated solution based on obsolete tech?


    Well well fight after little chat between Putin and Micron suddenly this news, then Schneider ris opening internet of Things center in Innopolis...
    In generally good news - you can share costs of scientific research.


    Roskosmos will cooperate with the Space Center of France

    MOSCOW, June 15 (Itar-Tass) - RIA Novosti. Roscosmos signed an agreement with the National Center for Space Research of France (CNES) on cooperation in space science and space exploration, the state corporation said on Friday.

    The agreement was signed at a meeting between Roscosmos CEO Dmitry Rogozin and CNES President Jean Yves Le Gallue at the residence of the French Ambassador to Russia, the organization said.

    "The result of the meeting was the signing of the relevant agreement, which will help develop the relationship between the two space powers," the report said.

    The main areas in which cooperation will develop are research into the solar system, the physics of the Sun and the Earth's environment, life science and materials science in microgravity, astronomical studies using spacecraft, the Roskosmos said.

    According to Rogozin, the parties agreed on yet another meeting in order to discuss "the most promising areas for the application of mutual efforts," the state corporation adds.

    https://ria.ru/science/20180615/1522818102.html
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:36 pm

    Practical tests of methane rocket fuel took place in Russia

    In Russia there have been tested methane rocket fuel. This was told by the chief designer of the Energomash Research and Production Association, Pyotr Levochkin.

    More precisely, rocket engines tested methane components of this fuel. The Keldysh Center together with KBCA (part of NPO Energomash) and KBHM (part of the Khrunichev Center) are engaged in development, Levochkin specified.

    According to him, at present not only theoretical studies are being carried out, but practical tests are also being carried out.

    "Today, not only theoretical studies, but also the most real fire tests of rocket engines on oxygen-methane fuel," - said Levochkin.

    As the main designer of Energomash clarified, "the industry has accumulated certain experience with such an explosive substance as methane."

    As Levochkin points out, methane does not make any sense at the first stages of the launch vehicles, it is more effective to use such fuel only for the upper stages. In addition, the extensive resource base allows us to say that the use of methane as a component of fuel is advisable because of its relative cheapness. In addition, the engine, working on methane components, can well prove itself when flying to nearby planets - for example, to Mars. And you can return from the planet if you get the appropriate raw materials and prepare fuel from it.

    Already in the near future Energomash intends to create a new engine with a thrust of 80-100 tons. It will be designed for light and medium commercial missiles built on the basis of RD-120.

    "The new engine will be created entirely in digital, we plan to make maximum use of additive technologies and composite materials," Levochkin said, noting that practical tests of the RD-171MV engine for the new medium-sized Soyuz-5 launch vehicle are scheduled for next year.

    "For the manned launch of the missile, which is planned for 2024, we plan to put the RD-171MV engine in 2023," said the chief designer of Energomash, stressing that the RD-171MB uses only the Russian element base, in particular, entirely domestic ones are control and regulation systems.

    The engines for the Angara launch vehicles - RD-191 and the upgraded version of the RD-191M, may receive a composite nozzle that can operate at extreme temperatures of about 1300 degrees Celsius, and details produced with additive technologies. As is known, at very high temperatures steel begins to melt, and nickel alloys become brittle and break down. : ///


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    Post  AlfaT8 on Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:52 am

    Has there been any move in Russia to develop Linear Aerospike engines, like the XRS-2200??

    from what i could find, we are looking at 20% improvement in fuel efficient, which seems very unlikly, but if true, this combined with new PDE engines (if the design allows), we could see a minimal improvement of around ~30%.

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    Post  kvs on Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:42 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:Has there been any move in Russia to develop Linear Aerospike engines, like the XRS-2200??

    from what i could find, we are looking at 20% improvement in fuel efficient, which seems very unlikly, but if true, this combined with new PDE engines (if the design allows), we could see a minimal improvement of around ~30%.


    I have not seen any discussion of such testing. But investing in the development of pulse detonation engines is
    vastly more worthwhile. Being able to operate the same engine from ground level to empty space is quite a
    prize.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:03 pm

    Scientists from Russia and Switzerland are developing a laser method for launching a satellite

    MOSCOW, June 18 - RIA Novosti. The Russian company Galaktika together with colleagues from the Swiss university Dltech are working out the concept of launching satellites into orbit using a laser cannon, told RIA Novosti technical director of the Galaktika group of companies Alexander Ilyin.

    Scientists sent electronic music to one of the stars
    A similar project Lightcraft began to be developed in the US since the 1970s. The principle of operation is based on the transfer of energy by laser radiation to a special apparatus that outputs a payload into space. The beam turns the plasma into a plasma in front of the spacecraft, and the latter, through superconducting magnets, pushes the air down. As part of the experiments carried out in the 1990-2000's, it was possible to raise the target to a height of 30 and then 70 meters.

    "The principle of the carrier is based on the transfer of energy by laser radiation, part of the laser beam is forwarded by an optical channel and ionizes the air flow in front of the apparatus." The ionized flux is directed by the superconducting magnet in the opposite direction, "Ilyin said.

    It is planned to use the laser "gun" created in Switzerland at the Dltech Institute (Yverdon-les-Bains)

    laser power of 300 kilowatts. However, to deduce 100 kilograms of payload will require a laser power of 40 megawatts, which is also being developed by the institute's specialists. "The team of the Institute carried out calculations of laser parameters with a power of 40 megawatts," Ilyin said.
    According to the developers, the creation of such a system will reduce the cost of removing cargo by 10-100 times to 500 US dollars per kilogram, and the pioneer company will be able to win up to 95% of the launch services market.

    According to the calculations of the "Galaxy", the project can be implemented within five years, after which it will go to the commercial use phase. The total cost of the project is estimated at $ 107 million.


    РИА Новости https://ria.ru/science/20180618/1522924689.html

    If it works US investment funds buy it out and Russian can eventually buy services...unless any of Russian VTB like banks invest...



    AlfaT8 wrote:Has there been any move in Russia to develop Linear Aerospike engines, like the XRS-2200??

    from what i could find, we are looking at 20% improvement in fuel efficient, which seems very unlikly, but if true, this combined with new PDE engines (if the design allows), we could see a minimal improvement of around ~30%.

    Same here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SABRE_(rocket_engine)

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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  AlfaT8 on Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:29 pm



    Uhm gents, where do we stand here??

    Any Soviet programs that could be revived for this?
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  Hole on Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:05 pm

    Russia got a space force for over a decade.

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