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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:48 am

    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1194904527503286272?s=19

    Hmm, I think it's time Russian authorities goes after Yandex and forces them to be fully Russian or leave.
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    Post  Kimppis on Sat Nov 16, 2019 10:06 pm

    Western Russia (aka Putlerreich) coverage in the current year (decade):

    I was just buying some groceries in the evening at 10 pm, and while I was at the counter, I heard one of the biggest radio stations in the country reporting about the death of a Russian "opposition 'leader.'" Missed the guy's name, but why is this being covered in the West/outside Russia at all?

    Their source was apparently the Russian media (lol, so Putler's media control isn't so total after all?), the guy was 41, he died suddenly on a train, and according to Russia's Investigative Committee, the death was natural (or, the wording was actually that they "assured" it was... hmmm???).

    So... what kind of narrative are they trying to generate here? What are they implying? These are all rhetorical questions of course, but man, that's some peak propaganda/stupidity. Sure, the reporting in itself was objective enough, but the fact that the "case" is being reported at all is extremely telling... and quite frankly, insane.

    Yes MSM, all around the globe, some men die relatively young, sometimes they might even be politically active. That happens even in the Western wonderland. Are all of these deaths international news, for absolutely no reason?

    I mean, really. Factually, how many "opposition leaders" have been KILLED in Russia after Putin came to power? Or, especially after 2008? The politically irrelevant Nemtsov? So in per capita that is how many? Remember, Russia is a country of 150 million. And how does that compare to the US? To Latin America? To other countries?

    For fucks sake, the whole narrative has been fake news from the beginning! But nah... r/worldnews, let the conspiracy theorising begin.

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:17 am

    There are likely entire websites about all the people the Clinton mafia have had killed... most recently Epstein... but plenty of bodies of people who died in suspicious circumstances like supposed suicides etc etc... certainly very convenient for the Clintons... and you would have to include Gadaffi and Saddam and Osama Bin Laden and that more recent Bagdadi guy who conveniently die before they can testify about anything in a court of law against anyone... really quite useful actually...
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    Post  kvs on Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:43 am

    Most media consumers are ignorant fools. We have plenty of examples in recent history of what death squad repression looks like.
    It isn't a handful of dubious cases contrived with the flimsiest cherry picked circumstantial evidence, it is hundreds and thousands
    disappeared. Clearly the latter is not happening in Russia, but the NATO fake stream media is circle jerking with the former.

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    Post  kvs on Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:17 pm



    Looks like there is grass roots action in Russia to fight against western 5th column activity. In this case the
    Ural region school administration is rotten with liberast traitors who are trying to stage brainwashing events
    for Russian children by pushing NATO propaganda "history". The website "Soft Power" got a hold of these
    plans and spread them around. The 5th column delayed their plans for the brainwashing events. But
    more pressure is needed and the grass roots are agitating the authorities to investigate this brazen infiltration
    of the Russian school system.

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    Post  AlfaT8 on Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:20 pm

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    Post  kvs on Fri Nov 29, 2019 3:49 pm

    Funny how in the west parties that have less than 3% support do not even get media coverage. But when it comes to Russia
    there is yapping about some lunatic fringe which everyone in Russia knows is working for its enemies has an actual chance at
    winning a fair vote. Bugger off!

    The only thing that Navalny can win is the blocking of major streets for short periods of time.

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    Post  flamming_python on Fri Nov 29, 2019 5:58 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:

    Jesus Christ AlfaT8

    You could at least warn us before posting a video that robs the viewer of 10 IQ points permenantly.
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    Post  calripson on Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:28 am

    He is right out of central casting - tall, young, the antithesis of Putin. Studied at Columbia University where I am sure he met a lot of very interesting people.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:30 am

    Mr. 2% is hated more than Medvedev. That should say a whole lot.
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    Post  kvs on Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:41 pm



    Anti-nuclear idiots. It isn't waste, you freaking losers. It's fuel. Russia is set to transition to fast neutron breeder reactors
    in the coming two decades starting int the 2020s with the BN-1200. Russia does not have large Uranium deposits. So the
    depleted Uranium from Germany and elsewhere is fuel.

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    Post  kvs on Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:53 pm

    The narrator of the video also answers some of the commenters who bitch about future corruption in
    the project to build a bridge over the river Lena in Siberia. Too bad he does not point out the obvious: all
    major western projects exhibit clear evidence of serious corrupt, namely, multi-year delays and billions in
    cost overruns. By contrast, Russia has built the challenging Kerch Strait bridge on time and on budget.
    Even the "afflicted by corruption" construction of the Vostochny Cosmodrome was put under control resulting
    in the loss of less than 15% of the budget. In other words, one of the worst cases of corruption in Russia
    is vastly better than the so-called squeaky clean western norm.

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:55 am

    The good old western method... throw mud as fast as you can... the faster you throw the more of it sticks... but the point is to keep the audience focussed on what you are throwing mud at so you ignore that you are covered in mud hundreds or thousands of layers deep because you own the mud... the mud is your natural habitat... you are a mud dweller but your audience needs to be distracted from that important piece of information.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:24 am

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    Post  kvs on Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:43 am

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbH3aylglw8

    There as an active historical revisionism campaign by liberast 5th column in Russia that tries to claim that all negative aspects
    about Yeltsin's regime are propaganda by Putin and his associates.

    1) I am old enough to recall the 1990s including the gang rape of Serbia by NATO.   I am not some snot who was born in 1995
    and was too busy pooping his diapers to believe Navalny and the rest of these liars.    The 1990s in Russia were a gangster's
    paradise.   Gangster oligarchs like Khodorkovsky took over formerly government companies in true mafia fashion.  For example
    the fertilizer maker Apatit.   There are over a dozen murder victims of this takeover.    The 1990s was when elderly were
    murdered for their apartments.   During the 1990s there was a vicious propaganda commercial in the USA that claimed that
    all these elderly victims were exclusively Jews.   This confirms that people were being killed in mafia like crime during the
    so called Yeltsin golden years.

    2) Read the book called "Godfather of the Kremlin" about Berezovsky written by US journalist Paul Khlebnikov.   Berezovsky
    used the sick joke that is the UK "legal" system to win some BS libel suit (because Khlebnikov couldn't prove a negative)
    but the cat was out of the bag.   Berezovsky was allied and used the Chechen mafia as henchmen to impose his mafia
    rackets.   As with Khodrokovsky, there were victims of Berezovsky's business takeovers.    Khlebnikov was murdered
    and it is clear who paid for it.  

    3) People can look up western MSM coverage of Russia during the 1990s.   For example, the New York Times did a piece
    in 1999 on Khodorkovsky's gangster credentials.   But by 2003, this was forgotten since Putin was identified as a non
    conforming leader trying to make Russia great again.   Too bad for the western Russia haters, Putin succeeded.  Now
    his foreign paid enemies are trying to re-write history to make the 1990s into some paradise. Read the book by Naomi Klein
    called the "Shock Doctrine" which clearly identifies the racket of Yeltsin's shock therapy voodoo economics.

    4) The revisionists claim the the term "wild 1990s" was a propaganda term invented in the 2000s by Putin and is agents.
    This is a brazen lie. It was common during the 1990s to call the transition in Russian in the west as the "wild east"
    in analogy to the "wild west".

    5) Under Yeltsin, ridiculous production sharing agreements (PSAs) were signed that basically "sold" Russian oil, gas and minerals
    to western contractors (Exxon, etc.) who were nominally only extracting these resources. Even Saudi Arabia does not sign
    such ludicrous comprador sellout deals. These western contractors tried to claim ownership of Russian resources during the
    2000s when "evil" Putin tore this comprador shit up.

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    Post  kvs on Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:05 am

    Here are some relevant links:

    https://www.nytimes.com/1994/08/23/nyregion/influx-of-russian-gangsters-troubles-fbi-in-brooklyn.html

    http://individual.utoronto.ca/seva/gunstobriefcases.pdf

    http://exiledonline.com/

    When you do a Google search you will be swamped with actual propaganda from western sources. For example pieces
    that claim Russians are drinking themselves to death. These pieces are chronologically nonsensical since they present
    conditions during the 1990s as relevant in 2015.

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:07 am

    I remember in the late 1980s a certain secretary of state for the US was asked about the American role in shooting down an Iranian Airbus civilian airliner, and that person basically said: "I don't care what the facts are, America is not to blame".

    That arrogant prick was George Bush snr who went on to be US president.

    Funny thing is that if you do a search on that comment using Google nothing comes up... nothing at all... it is like he never said it... beware technology...

    When I was at school the source of information was mainly the books we had in our local library and school library... there was no room for alternative voices... these were western books written by western experts about world events written from a western perspective.

    During the 1990s and early 2000s it was a revelation and literally amazing... hard to get Russian information suddenly became accessible, so I could access information beyond what the buyer for the libraries chose to spend money on.... but those times are clearly over, and the forces that brought the information are now censoring and restricting its access, and certain points of view or events are disappearing from existence...

    Pretty sad really.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:18 am

    kvs wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbH3aylglw8

    There as an active historical revisionism campaign by liberast 5th column in Russia that tries to claim that all negative aspects
    about Yeltsin's regime are propaganda by Putin and his associates.

    1) I am old enough to recall the 1990s including the gang rape of Serbia by NATO.   I am not some snot who was born in 1995
    and was too busy pooping his diapers to believe Navalny and the rest of these liars.    The 1990s in Russia were a gangster's
    paradise.   Gangster oligarchs like Khodorkovsky took over formerly government companies in true mafia fashion.  For example
    the fertilizer maker Apatit.   There are over a dozen murder victims of this takeover.    The 1990s was when elderly were
    murdered for their apartments.   During the 1990s there was a vicious propaganda commercial in the USA that claimed that
    all these elderly victims were exclusively Jews.   This confirms that people were being killed in mafia like crime during the
    so called Yeltsin golden years.

    2) Read the book called "Godfather of the Kremlin" about Berezovsky written by US journalist Paul Khlebnikov.   Berezovsky
    used the sick joke that is the UK "legal" system to win some BS libel suit (because Khlebnikov couldn't prove a negative)
    but the cat was out of the bag.   Berezovsky was allied and used the Chechen mafia as henchmen to impose his mafia
    rackets.   As with Khodrokovsky, there were victims of Berezovsky's business takeovers.    Khlebnikov was murdered
    and it is clear who paid for it.  

    3) People can look up western MSM coverage of Russia during the 1990s.   For example, the New York Times did a piece
    in 1999 on Khodorkovsky's gangster credentials.   But by 2003, this was forgotten since Putin was identified as a non
    conforming leader trying to make Russia great again.   Too bad for the western Russia haters, Putin succeeded.  Now
    his foreign paid enemies are trying to re-write history to make the 1990s into some paradise.   Read the book by Naomi Klein
    called the "Shock Doctrine" which clearly identifies the racket of Yeltsin's shock therapy voodoo economics.

    4) The revisionists claim the the term "wild 1990s" was a propaganda term invented in the 2000s by Putin and is agents.  
    This is a brazen lie.  It was common during the 1990s to call the transition in Russian in the west as the "wild east"
    in analogy to the "wild west".

    5) Under Yeltsin, ridiculous production sharing agreements (PSAs) were signed that basically "sold" Russian oil, gas and minerals
    to western contractors (Exxon, etc.) who were nominally only extracting these resources.   Even Saudi Arabia does not sign
    such ludicrous comprador sellout deals.   These western contractors tried to claim ownership of Russian resources during the
    2000s when "evil" Putin tore this comprador shit up.


    Hence why the liberals lose because the 90's happened not that long ago and most of us remember it. So they can make shit up all they want. It won't change reality.
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    Post  kvs on Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:51 pm

    They are trying to brainwash the young. Anyone born during the 1990s would not be old enough to remember anything that would
    be substantial in terms of politics and economics. They could remember some details, but the cause of those details would be
    obscure to them. So the revisionists are trying to rewrite history in the minds of 20 somethings who are going to replace
    the old geezers such as anyone born before 1980 in the near term.

    But I think the revisionists are idiots. They assume that all young Russians are gullible saps who are discontent with the
    current conditions. They also lie where no lying is necessary such as claiming that the "wild east" term Putin's propaganda.
    Such lies are primitive and easy to debunk. If the 5th column had any traction in Russia it would be having much more impact
    than its current 2% lunatic fringe status. The 5th column lost the war when Russians stop idolizing the west like they did
    during the 1980s. Now Russians have some pride in Russia with good reason and are not desperate welfare bums hoping to get
    gifts from the western paradise. Ukrainians by contrast just kept on going down this end and we see what is happening to
    them now.

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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Dec 06, 2019 9:18 pm

    Issue was the Yeltsin center.

    A new center is needed to show the crimes of Yeltsin. As well as educational programs for students teaching this part of history.
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    Post  kvs on Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:31 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Issue was the Yeltsin center.

    A new center is needed to show the crimes of Yeltsin. As well as educational programs for students teaching this part of history.

    Agree 100%. The Yeltsin Center is some sort of propaganda creation that serves no value for history or Russia. Russia is not the USA
    and does not need US style political crap.

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    Post  kvs on Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:41 pm



    The US is crapping its pants accusing Russia of totalitarian repression of dissident voices. Why? Because the law on foreign agent
    activity is being tightened. Oh, my. Looks like the changes in the law are hitting right on target. Foreign paid anti-Russian
    propaganda inside Russia is not "freedom of thought and expression". It is a class of hate speech.

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:08 am

    Hahahahaha... if the US is squealing then Putin is doing the right thing... I am happy... Smile

    What it is actually dealing a blow to is Americas right to freedom of regime change any where it likes, which is something that needs to stop now.
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    Post  kvs Yesterday at 4:43 pm



    A liberast maggot from the Yabloko party has managed to get elected in a Russian backwater. Without losing any time
    she starts firing necessary municipal workers (without any budgetary reason) and cutting back on road maintenance.
    Clearly the local tax money is being siphoned away from its intended purpose. We see the big plan of the NATO sponsored
    5th column regarding their financing. Since they have seen their NATO cash flow constricted, they will steal tax payer money
    to finance their sedition.

    Note how this maggot pretends that gravel road maintenance can be made much cheaper by just having (for free) people
    filling in the holes and not using graders. This is total rubbish. The only way to control pot holes is to do regular grading
    and it is vastly cheaper to use a grader than have people filling in hundreds of thousands of holes. She is also cutting
    the money for local district heating which will likely result in people freezing in January.

    So all the yapping about "corruption" and "inefficiency" is a cheap cover for NATO sponsored liberasts to grab power and
    truly f*ck things over. Clearly the local taxpayers need to pay tribute to the west.





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    Post  miketheterrible Yesterday at 10:15 pm

    kvs wrote:

    A liberast maggot from the Yabloko party has managed to get elected in a Russian backwater.   Without losing any time
    she starts firing necessary municipal workers (without any budgetary reason) and cutting back on road maintenance.
    Clearly the local tax money is being siphoned away from its intended purpose.    We see the big plan of the NATO sponsored
    5th column regarding their financing.  Since they have seen their NATO cash flow constricted, they will steal tax payer money
    to finance their sedition.

    Note how this maggot pretends that gravel road maintenance can be made much cheaper by just having (for free) people
    filling in the holes and not using graders.   This is total rubbish.   The only way to control pot holes is to do regular grading
    and it is vastly cheaper to use a grader than have people filling in hundreds of thousands of holes.   She is also cutting
    the money for local district heating which will likely result in people freezing in January.  

    So all the yapping about "corruption" and "inefficiency" is a cheap cover for NATO sponsored liberasts to grab power and
    truly f*ck things over.   Clearly the local taxpayers need to pay tribute to the west.

    She wont last long then.  People in that district will be pissed.

    Guess they forgot the 90's to the point that now it will be reminded for them lol.

    I mean, its like in Alberta or in other regions of Canada or the US or etc.

    Alberta we elected NDP which brought debt in to ridiculous amounts, and accomplished nothing. Now Jason Kenny is in and now cuts are everywhere but tax breaks on business.

    Not all of Russia can be sane. Some are just retarded.

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