Russian Liberal Opposition

kvs wrote:

Dox the doxers!

The liberast 5th column in Russia is attempting to pull the same trick as during the Maidan in Ukraine.   They are doxing the police
and their families.   But there is a backlash and one of the prime doxers has been doxed himself.   These vermin even attack
those in the anti-Putin camp who are more sane and point out that doxing is hardly making the "anti-regime activists" popular.

Opposition blogger wanted to kill the children of police officers.

It should be noted that in addition to calls to kill the children of workers of the Russian Guard and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, this blogger had an openly “pro-Ukrainian” position and sympathized with LGBT people. He publicly justified the burning of people in Odessa on May 2, 2014 and the killings in the Donbass.

https://topcor.ru/10457-zaderzhan-oppozicionnyj-bloger-prizyvavshij-ubivat-detej-policejskih.html

By killing children, he probably means he wants to go all John Wayne GAYcy on them



I remember posting a famous Soviet dissident that was arrested for child pornography in the UK.

Edit: It was Vladimir Bukovsky

Olga Misik: Russia’s ‘Tiananmen teen’ protester on front line

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49243745

NATO Pigs are ratcheting up their civil disobedience operations in Russia and are finding new ways to make their color revolution in Russia appealing to the weak minded at any cost. Now they have this idea of making a Russian "Tiananmen teen". Russia needs to clamp down hard on these vermins and never give these rats an inch of compromise. If things would happen my way, Any potential NATO Celebrity Star in Russia needs a little dose of Polonium and be allowed to wither away before they become a serious threat to Russia's statehood.

For those following the developments concerning the "loopholes" in Russian election laws that are being exploited by 5th columnist rats, is the government introducing reforms to correct this and prevent NATO Pigs from interfering with Russia's electoral process?

I really really hope that the Russian National Guard is paying attention to these destabilizers. Russia needs to implement more Patriotic education to its citizens to prevent them from getting Brainwashed by NATO Pig propaganda and being turned into Liberat Zombies bent on dismembering Russia at any cost.

PhSt wrote:

Olga Misik: Russia’s ‘Tiananmen teen’ protester on front line

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49243745

NATO Pigs are ratcheting up their civil disobedience operations in Russia and are finding new ways to make their color revolution in Russia appealing to the weak minded at any cost. Now they have this idea of making a Russian "Tiananmen teen". Russia needs to clamp down hard on these vermins and never give these rats an inch of compromise. If things would happen my way, Any potential NATO Celebrity Star in Russia needs a little dose of Polonium and be allowed to wither away before they become a serious threat to Russia's statehood.

For those following the developments concerning the "loopholes" in Russian election laws that are being exploited by 5th columnist rats, is the government introducing reforms to correct this and prevent NATO Pigs from interfering with Russia's electoral process?

I really really hope that the Russian National Guard is paying attention to these destabilizers. Russia needs to implement more Patriotic education to its citizens to prevent them from getting Brainwashed by NATO Pig propaganda and being turned into Liberat Zombies bent on dismembering Russia at any cost.

Your post highlights why the tinfoil hat claims about Putin offing his opponents with Polonium and other "assassinations" are
total rubbish. You recognize that problems have to be "nipped in the bud". That is when all the suppression and repression works
and that is why you see death squads operating in many countries around the world over the last 50 years murdering hundreds and
thousands. Yet in Russia some has-been hacks numbering less than a dozen who were allowed to do as they pleased for years and
years are/were being "eliminated".

I do not think that NATO lemmings are going to be beloved by the Russian people. This fake celebrity is an ignorant construct of
hubris-filled NATO "deciders" who refuse to deal with Russian reality. They, like Napoleon and Hitler, and the crusaders before
them look down on Russians and project their on delusional fantasies on them. I do not think that Polonium solutions are needed
at all. Especially now. Polonium hoaxes are the pathetic attempts of NATO to smear and corner Russian. They have failed and they
will continue to fail. Every day Russians move farther and farther away from NATO.

Navalny and his cronies receive millions of $ every vear from Washington and Brussels and all they can achieve are 3.000 people in Moscow! That is pathetic. Nobody in Trumpland would register a demonstration which so less people in New York or Los Angeles. It´s just the MSM that blows these things up if they are happening in Russia.

Would like to know? News here show huge demonstrations in Moscow now because some elections?

http://www.lefigaro.fr/international/russie-40-000-manifestants-rassembles-a-moscou-pour-une-nouvelle-journee-de-mobilisation-20190810

Whats going on there?

CIA paid fifth column.

GarryB wrote:Some liberal candidates didn't follow the rules and were left off the ballot and now some paid agitators are complaining that the rules don't apply to the democrats and they should be allowed to stand in the elections anyway.

This does not look like a few paid demonstrators



I would like to understand whats exactly going on? They say its because an election and alot of young people are unhappy how things are run?

Also that Putins party will have losses. Is there an alternative? I mean whats the political spectrum be like in Russia? We always hear Putin here, Putin there, but are there other parties with influence?

I dont think its in french interest to see Putin fall. From what i know he holds the thing together.

15.000 people in a city of 10+ million isn´t huge. There are larger block parties or barbecues in Moscow. And this was no demonstration of one party or one "cause", there were people from the very far left to the very far right.

GarryB wrote:Generally the second most powerful party is the communist party in eastern europe because the liberal pro western parties have sullied the name to the extent that most people are sick of them.

Most of their prominent alternative politicians are bitches of the west and speak english when they shout slogans at protests... because they are pandering to the people that pay their wages... in the west.

Prominent is a strong word for them.

They are simply foreign agents.  Sobol, Navalny, the rest.  They are not popular at all in Russia.  These protests, the ones that are actually sanctioned by Moscow authorities are simply groupies.  People who are all projecting their own demands and or wants and other bullshit to get media attention.

Communists, Ultra Lib morons, LGBT fags, Ukrainians (Yes, there were Ukrainian flags at the protest), Anarchist Youth failed abortions, so called Rappers who rap about raping grandmothers, and media from the west and others - all attended.  These are people that Russians hate.  A lot of them were not from Moscow.  Many of them were on lookers.  Many others were drunk morons.  Ukrainians chanting slogans (they should be kicked out of hte country and black listed from ever entering again).  LGBT acting like their usual self wherever they go.  Etc.

What was funny is that not many even know what or who they were demanding for or what was exactly happening.

Now, the so called opposition the west portrays in Russia (Sobol, Navalny, etc), its their little games they play that should be watched.  Its them who hold the unregistered rallies.  Those rallies only attract about 1,500 people.  Maybe 3,000 max.  This is of course in a city of 13M people.  Moscow area proper is larger.  Many people are bussed in.  Many were journalists.

What is interesting of course is the end results of all of this.  This actually is going to get worst not for the Russian authorities but the foreign handlers who provide funds to these groups.  Apparently Russian authorities are now going to crack down on NGO's and media who have been supporting the protests and inciting people to partake.  As well, they froze the accounts of the protest leaders and their groups (Navalny particularly) and is pushing an audit to find out exactly where his funds come from.

In the end, these charades is twisting the authorities arms in a way that gives them proper sight to act harshly.  Which by statistics, most people of Moscow are sick of and demanded the authorities clamp down on them.  Many even demand of their authorities to act against them like France does against Yellow Vest but that is rather very improper.  Regardless what west says, the protests in Moscow are a cake walk for authorities and protestors alike compared to events in Paris and elsewhere.

Hole wrote:15.000 people in a city of 10+ million isn´t huge. There are larger block parties or barbecues in Moscow. And this was no demonstration of one party or one "cause", there were people from the very far left to the very far right.

Authorities says 20,000. Protests of course claim 50,000. This is based upon absolutely nothing but some group who is popular in apparently ticker taping people, claim. Although, that is clearly bullshit cause some small group wont be able to ticker tape everyone and or not just over exaggerate on numbers. The real numbers are inbetween. My guess about ~30,000. Of course, the protestors and supporters, including bots will say its all a lie. But thats actually the safest bet because authorities knows exactly how many and even who partook (cameras with face recognition software is rather very much in use in Moscow or Russia as a whole. Plus they export such tech to many countries including the west). But they will also fudge some numbers as well because its easier to keep people guessing.

There actually were two protests. The first was with a permit and involved about 30,000 people. They assembled, did their protest and dispersed peaceably. However Sobol tried to hijack this and march on Red Square to occupy it. She was ratted out by some of the others and only got about 10% to follow her in the attempt... it was stopped and arrests made. The purpose was all for Western MSM and funded by non Russians, for non Russians.

Similar to Hong Kong, legitimate grieves hijacked by radicals working for and paid for by outside parties.

Totally unlike the protests in your own country which are strictly grass roots.

But how about the loophole in the election process that the 5th columnist thugs can exploit by flooding the election ballot with their candidates? Is this being addressed or Not?

People are forgetting that a large part of these demonstrators were bused in. '

Recall how it is popular in NATO to dismiss protests they don't like by invoking the "bused in" claim. Well,
these Moscow demonstrations are not just by locals. Without the busing in they would be probably 1/4
of what they are.

And 15,000 is the right number based on the photos. It is getting ridiculous how any number can be claimed
as if it is impossible to count heads from a photo or video. Even an extrapolation based on a sampling of
a few areas and getting heads/m^2 is good enough.

franco wrote:There actually were two protests. The first was with a permit and involved about 30,000 people. They assembled, did their protest and dispersed peaceably. However Sobol tried to hijack this and march on Red Square to occupy it. She was ratted out by some of the others and only got about 10% to follow her in the attempt... it was stopped and arrests made. The purpose was all for Western MSM and funded by non Russians, for non Russians.

Similar to Hong Kong, legitimate grieves hijacked by radicals working for and paid for by outside parties.

Totally unlike the protests in your own country which are strictly grass roots.

The protests in my own country were heavily paid from outside fractions. Macron more and more became anti american and then yellow vest shit started.

I´m member of RN (le pen party) and even we distanced us from this protests, which were agitated from outside.

The people who started it had legit goals but when they started to attack french national symbols, they lost their support from the french public.

President Macron has become rampant anti american, something i did not expect at the beginning of his presidency.

Our police can be quite merciless and i support this. When you attack our architecture, business or symbols, you get the baton into the face.

There were yellow vests trying to block firefighters to reach Notre Dame. Which true French would do this?

Very detailed recount of the demonstrations in Moscow... worth while to translate.

https://rg.ru/2019/08/11/reg-cfo/akciia-na-saharova-ne-privlekla-moskvichej-ni-slovom-ni-pesnej-i-togda-liudej-snova-pozvali-na-progulki.html

It is easy to be dismissive about the protests in Moscow, but the truth is there is a substantial number of liberal supporters particularly among the young. The bad 1990s were a long time ago - before the memory of many people under 35. Putin has been in power for 20 years; there is a natural fatigue that comes with this. In the West, they create the illusion of choice and change (Obama's "Change You Can Believe In"). Of course, the fundamental interests never change and the real powers behind the politicians remain in power.

It would have been wise for Putin or the FSB to create a controlled opposition that would act as a safety valve for political dissent. The Communists used to play this role but they are used up. The problem is Russian history and the hierarchy of power: Power in Russia is too personalized. Putin would fear handing over power (even nominally) to anyone other than a chipmunk like Medvedev. In the West, power is a decentralized behind the shadows financial oligarchy.

The problem in contemporary Russia is real. I can't tell you how many Russian business people I deal with who want to send their kids to school in the US or UK, who want to get a green card, who want to reside in Italy, Spain, Australia, or Dubai. There is almost a fundamental conflict between the individual interests of the modern day bourgeoisie and the interests of the Russian state. A state whose educational system produced them in the first place.

Chinese bourgeoisie by the way (who I also deal with extensively) are even worse. They can't wait to get themselves, their money, and their kids out of China.

calripson wrote:It is easy to be dismissive about the protests in Moscow, but the truth is there is a substantial number of liberal supporters particularly among the young. The bad 1990s were a long time ago - before the memory of many people under 35. Putin has been in power for 20 years; there is a natural fatigue that comes with this. In the West, they create the illusion of choice and change (Obama's "Change You Can Believe In"). Of course, the fundamental interests never change and the real powers behind the politicians remain in power.

It would have been wise for Putin or the FSB to create a controlled opposition that would act as a safety valve for political dissent. The Communists used to play this role but they are used up. The problem is Russian history and the hierarchy of power: Power in Russia is too personalized. Putin would fear handing over power (even nominally) to anyone other than a chipmunk like Medvedev. In the West, power is a decentralized behind the shadows financial oligarchy.

The problem in contemporary Russia is real. I can't tell you how many Russian business people I deal with who want to send their kids to school in the US or UK, who want to get a green card, who want to reside in Italy, Spain, Australia, or Dubai. There is almost a fundamental conflict between the individual interests of the modern day bourgeoisie and the interests of the Russian state. A state whose educational system produced them in the first place.

Chinese bourgeoisie by the way (who I also deal with extensively) are even worse. They can't wait to get themselves, their money, and their kids out of China.

Anecdotal evidence isn't evidence.

Rich people all around the world does that. Rich people in Canada get their kids into either US universities or French or something else.

In honesty though, you are semi correct. KPRF is losing popularity but it still gets way more votes than any other liberal group. LDPR on the other hand is gaining votes and popularity meaning that average Russian (which is in their 30's) are getting to be rather nationalistic.

The youth you speak of is mostly like that. As soon as reality strikes them, they are no longer these multi colored haired freaks of nature. Reality is seen. We all seen it. They have little support and that is as Franco pointed out - they try to divert the sanctioned rallies by protesting somewhere else and even many of their "own" ratted them out to authorities.

Say what ever you want about Russian gov, but god forbid to have these maggots rule Russia instead.
They found an warm sweaty armpit to thrive. Marginals and nothing else.

CIA paid shit. Who doesn't do work and hang out in the streets all day long? Yeah, CIA paid shit. Same shit as in Kiev in 2013.

ultimatewarrior wrote:CIA paid shit. Who doesn't do work and hang out in the streets all day long? Yeah, CIA paid shit. Same shit as in Kiev in 2013.

So you say ukrainians were super happy with their regime and all in russia are happy as well? Its just one big happy family?

Aristide wrote:

ultimatewarrior wrote:CIA paid shit. Who doesn't do work and hang out in the streets all day long? Yeah, CIA paid shit. Same shit as in Kiev in 2013.

So you say ukrainians were super happy with their regime and all in russia are happy as well? Its just one big happy family?

Russians and Ukrainians will never be happy with any regime.
Americans are same too.

Regular wrote:

Aristide wrote:

ultimatewarrior wrote:CIA paid shit. Who doesn't do work and hang out in the streets all day long? Yeah, CIA paid shit. Same shit as in Kiev in 2013.

So you say ukrainians were super happy with their regime and all in russia are happy as well? Its just one big happy family?

Russians and Ukrainians will never be happy with any regime.
Americans are same too.

What you think about us regarding that?

So Moscow transit authorities along with plenty of civillians are pushing a class action lawsuits of about 1.4M Rubles or more against the city and the protestors over delayed times of transit or loss time from work because of protestors blocking roads.

I think actual locals are starting to get real tired of authorities lack of response and the liberals constantly stirring trouble.