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    Post  kvs on Fri Jul 26, 2019 5:27 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:@Rodion: my opinion is that these problem you address cannot be solved unless Western ruling class still receives enough profits and are still able to keep enough citizens under control so that risk of an uprising is insignificant.

    The Western ruling class only care about their ruling position and their ability to extract profit from the society. Which means, hiring immigrant workers and moving "jobs" to other countries with cheaper labor price is acceptable even in the expense of increasing unemployment at the homeland.

    We so far only criticized lazy unemployed people as parasites. But we haven't move to this questions: why the "job providers" hire cheap labors in other countries, why "job providers" mistreat and exploit immigrant workers instead of giving these jobs to the local unemployed people ?

    And why don't these unemployed people stand up and demand that they would like to work in these job AND receive good payment so that immigrant workers and foreign labour forces will no longer be exploited and mistreated by Western "job providers" ?

    What I means is, we usually put the blame on unemployed people, but we haven't ask the question, why the system generates such a phenomenon and why the system managers i.e. the ruling class let that happen ?

    And actually, Western powers already carry out a number of, quite barbaric, policies to force welfare receivers to work. We already heard about the one-Euro-job. We already heard about a certain 80 yrs old German lady have to work to earn her welfare. Even the most uncivilized country does not dare to mistreat such an old lady, but these kinds of mistreatment is normal in "civilized" West. No surprise when Western people tends to be mind broken.

    Poisoning citizens against each other by class association is one of the main games of western elites. Divide and conquer. Moron
    citizens will always fantasize about the rich while they trample on their poor neighbors. This grovelling to the western elites is
    utterly grotesque. The elites slide a big one in the rear end of the citizens and the citizens look for the less advantaged to
    pass onto the abuse. That is why there are elites in the first place. The proles are too busy hating on their neighbors to organize
    and focus on the real problem.

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    Post  nero on Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:11 am

    https://www.rt.com/russia/465086-atlantic-council-russia-undesirable/

    You can expect many liberals getting arrested in the next few weeks. It seems that patience has ran out.
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    Post  kvs on Mon Jul 29, 2019 4:38 pm

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-29/doctor-says-russian-opposition-leader-may-have-been-poisoned

    1) Poisoned but still alive. Anybody who believes that Putin did is a certifiable retard. If the goal was
    to kill, then that is very easy to do with a large number of methods. It is clear that this "failed"
    poisoning crap is a propaganda ploy staged by the anti-Russian malcontents themselves. Like with Yuschenko
    who got chloracne but is still alive and kicking 18 years later.

    2) Unsanctioned protests are violations of the law. EU-tards can bleat all they want, but look what happens
    to protestors in Spain, France and the USA when they start acting like the Navalny drones. Police brutality
    in full force and mass arrests. EU-tard screeching about human rights has zero credibility.

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    Post  Vann7 on Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:27 pm

    nero wrote:https://www.rt.com/russia/465086-atlantic-council-russia-undesirable/

    You can expect many liberals getting arrested in the next few weeks. It seems that patience has ran out.

    from the report..

    John Richardson called for more American aggression toward Russia and China, saying that when it comes to defending key waterways around the world, the US should become more “muscular,” should “strike first” and force Russia to “respond to our first move.”  

    What Richardson (a zionist JEW) ,really is saying..
    is that United States navy should hire terrorist /sea Pirates /Ukrainians,on boats ,with modern torpedos ,kamikazi suicide drones , mines that US sell to other countries in the zone.. and target Russian Navy..when it pass over certain zones..  to strike first.. and force Russia to retaliate without having any shred of evidence that Americans did it..  It could also means to provide Ukraine with lethal torpedos to sink Russian warships in Crimea.. to encourage a war between Russia and Ukraine..

    This is Because even a pig like RIchardson ,that will not dare in using nukes against
    IRAN ,will not dare to openly attack Russia anywhere in the world in any way , knowing
    the response will be much more worse for them... And later they will have no way to defend
    their actions and explains the loss of hundreds of American sailors , when Russia strike back.

    The point of all this Jewish Zionist Scum  , their  provocations on Russia..
    Is to Humiliate Russia ... but also provoke them into a war with a third party
    nation ,if possible that damage relations with Europe , and or slowdown Russia economy.
    Something like Russia full scale invasion on Ukraine ,will be what US and UK have hoped to happen , but Russia didn't fall for the bait..

    So whether is US provocations on Russia through Ukraine ,in azov sea...
    Or US provocations in Syria ,through Alqaeda and their Suicide drones ..
    the objective is the same ,to hit Russia hard , humiliate them..let them know in private
    they did it.. but with a Russia with no way to proof , Americans or british did it in Public.
    This is because for NATO do anything .. it needs to have a clear strategy ,that could be
    achieved and that is worth of it.  Fighting a war ,directly with Russia ,that they know they can't win ,is NOT an objective .. So this is why US ,neither Britain will ever directly declare war on Russia..   In my opinion.. it will be the other way.. US and UK will continue provocations ,and one day Russia patience will be over ,and they will strike back hard at them ,with thousands of americans killed..  Something that already happened in Eastern Ghoutta.. in Syria , if we are to believe in Chinese military newspapers..

    and thats the major reason for Trump , positive behavior with Putin ,to calm down the Tensions between Russia and US military.

    So going back to the Pig Richardson , He will never do an aggression on Russia ,that
    he understand will end them ,the ones humiliated.. when Russia respond.. This is why
    zionist PIGS like Richardson will have to hide behind terrorist ,behind pirates ,behind Ukrainians or even Georgians or anyone from the baltics,  to attack by proxy , Russia  with
    their assistance.

    So if the US military increase the provocations , i do see ,more advanced lethal weapons provided to third party forces  used against Russia , against their bases ,planes or warships..  lethal weapons like Torpedos , Biological warfare , chemical weapons , advanced mines..  I also do see ,much more stronger and violent protest from the Liberals crap , (zionist JEWS) who live in Russia. and do see , ethnic provocations between Muslims and Christians.. is the Empire what is at risk.. and they will try any trick to try to get European baltics or Turkey into a major war with Russia. and so provoke a split in relations...  completely breaking relations between Europe and Russia is fundamentally important in order to defeat Russia ,by isolating its economy.  China could replace one day Europe energy business ,but that will take a couple of decades for Russia to completely end their
    dependence on Europe energy business.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jul 30, 2019 8:10 am

    Something like Russia full scale invasion on Ukraine ,will be what US and UK have hoped to happen , but Russia didn't fall for the bait..

    Van you hipocrite... you constantly bitched and moaned that Putin wasn't doing anything to save the Russians in the Ukraine and that if he was really strong he would have invaded... just like you are saying now he didn't, but you say Russia didn't fall for it, so Putin is still wrong is he?
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    Post  flamming_python on Tue Jul 30, 2019 3:39 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:The true problem is the ones funding such mess. Catching the pawn may make them silence for a while, but the masterminds will soon brainwash other people to turn them into other pawns.

    It is clear that clowns like Navalny cannot make a name without somebody funding him. The problem is, which kind of social power is benefited from Navalny. Inside and outside Russia, who want to use Navalny for what benefit. And how Russian people deal with these masterminds.

    I think the character of the pro-Western liberal movement in poorer non-Western countries that aren't part of the club, can pretty much be summed up by the following paragraphs, out of Trotsky's 'History of the Russian Revolution' https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1930/hrr/ch02.htm
    Explains well the character of Yeltsin's Russia too, as well as those of today's regimes in Eastern Europe and many others besides:

    India participated in the war both essentially and formally as a colony of England. The participation of China, though in a formal sense “voluntary,” was in reality the interference of a slave in the fight of his masters. The participation of Russia falls somewhere halfway between the participation of France and that of China. Russia paid in this way for her right to be an ally of advanced countries, to import capital and pay interest on it – that is, essentially, for her right to be a privileged colony of her allies – but at the same time for her right to oppress and rob Turkey, Persia, Galicia, and in general the countries weaker and more backward than herself. The twofold imperialism of the Russian bourgeoisie had basically the character of an agency for other mightier world powers.

    The Chinese compradors are the classic type of the national bourgeoisie, a kind of mediating agency between foreign finance capital and the economy of their own country. In the world hierarchy of the powers, Russia occupied before the war a considerably higher position than China. What position she would have occupied after the war, if there had been no revolution, is a different question. But the Russian autocracy on the one hand, the Russian bourgeoisie on the other, contained features of compradorism, ever more and more clearly expressed. They lived and nourished themselves upon their connections with foreign imperialism, served it, and without their support could not have survived. To be sure, they did not survive in the long run even with its support. The semi-comprador Russian bourgeoisie had world-imperialistic interests in the same sense in which an agent working on percentages lives by the interests of his employer.

    ...

    In the matter of military supplies and finances, Russia at war suddenly finds herself in slavish dependence upon her allies. This is merely a military expression of her general dependence upon advanced capitalist countries, but help from the Allies does not save the situation. The lack of munitions, the small number of factories for their production, the sparseness of railroad lines for their transportation, soon translated the backwardness of Russia into the familiar language of defeat – which served to remind the Russian national liberals that their ancestors had not accomplished the bourgeois revolution and that the descendants, therefore, owed a debt to history.


    Indeed I noticed among the liberals in Russia, that for all their blindness about world affairs, and for all their lip-service to liberal or 'Western' or 'European' values - the norm is that they hold very much backward views in private. It's no surprise that someone like Navalny inserts nationalistic and chauvinistic sentiment towards people from the Caucasus and Central Asia in some of his rhetoric. It's surely the expected behaviour for a group of people, who crave the status of borgouise equals (as opposed to poor cousin paupers from a backward homophobic country) in Paris, Berlin, among the historic architecture of Vienna or the beaches of Naples - striking up friendships and contacts among their middle class counterparts from the rich EU states.
    They see themselves as of a different mold than the masses of Russians, more educated, more sophisticated, worldly; and of course with knowledge of the prized English language - as Russia's representitives to the outside world and vice-versa. So along with the division of class, the xenophobic divisions according to ethnicity, religion, etc... go hand in hand for many of them.
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    Post  kvs on Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:46 pm



    Dox the doxers!

    The liberast 5th column in Russia is attempting to pull the same trick as during the Maidan in Ukraine. They are doxing the police
    and their families. But there is a backlash and one of the prime doxers has been doxed himself. These vermin even attack
    those in the anti-Putin camp who are more sane and point out that doxing is hardly making the "anti-regime activists" popular.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:02 pm

    kvs wrote:

    Dox the doxers!

    The liberast 5th column in Russia is attempting to pull the same trick as during the Maidan in Ukraine.   They are doxing the police
    and their families.   But there is a backlash and one of the prime doxers has been doxed himself.   These vermin even attack
    those in the anti-Putin camp who are more sane and point out that doxing is hardly making the "anti-regime activists" popular.


    Opposition blogger wanted to kill the children of police officers.

    It should be noted that in addition to calls to kill the children of workers of the Russian Guard and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, this blogger had an openly “pro-Ukrainian” position and sympathized with LGBT people. He publicly justified the burning of people in Odessa on May 2, 2014 and the killings in the Donbass.

    https://topcor.ru/10457-zaderzhan-oppozicionnyj-bloger-prizyvavshij-ubivat-detej-policejskih.html


    By killing children, he probably means he wants to go all John Wayne GAYcy on them

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    I remember posting a famous Soviet dissident that was arrested for child pornography in the UK.

    Edit: It was Vladimir Bukovsky

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    Post  PhSt on Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:03 am



    Olga Misik: Russia’s ‘Tiananmen teen’ protester on front line

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49243745




    NATO Pigs are ratcheting up their civil disobedience operations in Russia and are finding new ways to make their color revolution in Russia appealing to the weak minded at any cost. Now they have this idea of making a Russian "Tiananmen teen". Russia needs to clamp down hard on these vermins and never give these rats an inch of compromise. If things would happen my way, Any potential NATO Celebrity Star in Russia needs a little dose of Polonium and be allowed to wither away before they become a serious threat to Russia's statehood.

    For those following the developments concerning the "loopholes" in Russian election laws that are being exploited by 5th columnist rats, is the government introducing reforms to correct this and prevent NATO Pigs from interfering with Russia's electoral process?

    I really really hope that the Russian National Guard is paying attention to these destabilizers. Russia needs to implement more Patriotic education to its citizens to prevent them from getting Brainwashed by NATO Pig propaganda and being turned into Liberat Zombies bent on dismembering Russia at any cost.
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    Post  kvs on Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:58 pm

    PhSt wrote:


    Olga Misik: Russia’s ‘Tiananmen teen’ protester on front line

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49243745




    NATO Pigs are ratcheting up their civil disobedience operations in Russia and are finding new ways to make their color revolution in Russia appealing to the weak minded at any cost. Now they have this idea of making a Russian "Tiananmen teen". Russia needs to clamp down hard on these vermins and never give these rats an inch of compromise. If things would happen my way, Any potential NATO Celebrity Star in Russia needs a little dose of Polonium and be allowed to wither away before they become a serious threat to Russia's statehood.

    For those following the developments concerning the "loopholes" in Russian election laws that are being exploited by 5th columnist rats, is the government introducing reforms to correct this and prevent NATO Pigs from interfering with Russia's electoral process?

    I really really hope that the Russian National Guard is paying attention to these destabilizers. Russia needs to implement more Patriotic education to its citizens to prevent them from getting Brainwashed by NATO Pig propaganda and being turned into Liberat Zombies bent on dismembering Russia at any cost.

    Your post highlights why the tinfoil hat claims about Putin offing his opponents with Polonium and other "assassinations" are
    total rubbish. You recognize that problems have to be "nipped in the bud". That is when all the suppression and repression works
    and that is why you see death squads operating in many countries around the world over the last 50 years murdering hundreds and
    thousands. Yet in Russia some has-been hacks numbering less than a dozen who were allowed to do as they pleased for years and
    years are/were being "eliminated".

    I do not think that NATO lemmings are going to be beloved by the Russian people. This fake celebrity is an ignorant construct of
    hubris-filled NATO "deciders" who refuse to deal with Russian reality. They, like Napoleon and Hitler, and the crusaders before
    them look down on Russians and project their on delusional fantasies on them. I do not think that Polonium solutions are needed
    at all. Especially now. Polonium hoaxes are the pathetic attempts of NATO to smear and corner Russian. They have failed and they
    will continue to fail. Every day Russians move farther and farther away from NATO.
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    Post  Hole on Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:11 pm

    Navalny and his cronies receive millions of $ every vear from Washington and Brussels and all they can achieve are 3.000 people in Moscow! That is pathetic. Nobody in Trumpland would register a demonstration which so less people in New York or Los Angeles. It´s just the MSM that blows these things up if they are happening in Russia.
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    Post  Aristide on Sat Aug 10, 2019 10:52 pm

    Would like to know? News here show huge demonstrations in Moscow now because some elections?

    http://www.lefigaro.fr/international/russie-40-000-manifestants-rassembles-a-moscou-pour-une-nouvelle-journee-de-mobilisation-20190810

    Whats going on there?
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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:54 pm

    CIA paid fifth column.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Aug 11, 2019 8:04 am

    Some liberal candidates didn't follow the rules and were left off the ballot and now some paid agitators are complaining that the rules don't apply to the democrats and they should be allowed to stand in the elections anyway.
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    Post  Aristide on Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:58 am

    GarryB wrote:Some liberal candidates didn't follow the rules and were left off the ballot and now some paid agitators are complaining that the rules don't apply to the democrats and they should be allowed to stand in the elections anyway.

    This does not look like a few paid demonstrators

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    I would like to understand whats exactly going on? They say its because an election and alot of young people are unhappy how things are run?

    Also that Putins party will have losses. Is there an alternative? I mean whats the political spectrum be like in Russia? We always hear Putin here, Putin there, but are there other parties with influence?

    I dont think its in french interest to see Putin fall. From what i know he holds the thing together.



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    Post  GarryB on Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:34 am

    Generally the second most powerful party is the communist party in eastern europe because the liberal pro western parties have sullied the name to the extent that most people are sick of them.

    Most of their prominent alternative politicians are bitches of the west and speak english when they shout slogans at protests... because they are pandering to the people that pay their wages... in the west.
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    Post  Hole on Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:58 am

    15.000 people in a city of 10+ million isn´t huge. There are larger block parties or barbecues in Moscow. And this was no demonstration of one party or one "cause", there were people from the very far left to the very far right.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:58 am

    GarryB wrote:Generally the second most powerful party is the communist party in eastern europe because the liberal pro western parties have sullied the name to the extent that most people are sick of them.

    Most of their prominent alternative politicians are bitches of the west and speak english when they shout slogans at protests... because they are pandering to the people that pay their wages... in the west.

    Prominent is a strong word for them.

    They are simply foreign agents.  Sobol, Navalny, the rest.  They are not popular at all in Russia.  These protests, the ones that are actually sanctioned by Moscow authorities are simply groupies.  People who are all projecting their own demands and or wants and other bullshit to get media attention.

    Communists, Ultra Lib morons, LGBT fags, Ukrainians (Yes, there were Ukrainian flags at the protest), Anarchist Youth failed abortions, so called Rappers who rap about raping grandmothers, and media from the west and others - all attended.  These are people that Russians hate.  A lot of them were not from Moscow.  Many of them were on lookers.  Many others were drunk morons.  Ukrainians chanting slogans (they should be kicked out of hte country and black listed from ever entering again).  LGBT acting like their usual self wherever they go.  Etc.

    What was funny is that not many even know what or who they were demanding for or what was exactly happening.

    Now, the so called opposition the west portrays in Russia (Sobol, Navalny, etc), its their little games they play that should be watched.  Its them who hold the unregistered rallies.  Those rallies only attract about 1,500 people.  Maybe 3,000 max.  This is of course in a city of 13M people.  Moscow area proper is larger.  Many people are bussed in.  Many were journalists.

    What is interesting of course is the end results of all of this.  This actually is going to get worst not for the Russian authorities but the foreign handlers who provide funds to these groups.  Apparently Russian authorities are now going to crack down on NGO's and media who have been supporting the protests and inciting people to partake.  As well, they froze the accounts of the protest leaders and their groups (Navalny particularly) and is pushing an audit to find out exactly where his funds come from.

    In the end, these charades is twisting the authorities arms in a way that gives them proper sight to act harshly.  Which by statistics, most people of Moscow are sick of and demanded the authorities clamp down on them.  Many even demand of their authorities to act against them like France does against Yellow Vest but that is rather very improper.  Regardless what west says, the protests in Moscow are a cake walk for authorities and protestors alike compared to events in Paris and elsewhere.

    Hole wrote:15.000 people in a city of 10+ million isn´t huge. There are larger block parties or barbecues in Moscow. And this was no demonstration of one party or one "cause", there were people from the very far left to the very far right.

    Authorities says 20,000. Protests of course claim 50,000. This is based upon absolutely nothing but some group who is popular in apparently ticker taping people, claim. Although, that is clearly bullshit cause some small group wont be able to ticker tape everyone and or not just over exaggerate on numbers. The real numbers are inbetween. My guess about ~30,000. Of course, the protestors and supporters, including bots will say its all a lie. But thats actually the safest bet because authorities knows exactly how many and even who partook (cameras with face recognition software is rather very much in use in Moscow or Russia as a whole. Plus they export such tech to many countries including the west). But they will also fudge some numbers as well because its easier to keep people guessing.
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    Post  franco on Sun Aug 11, 2019 1:57 pm

    There actually were two protests. The first was with a permit and involved about 30,000 people. They assembled, did their protest and dispersed peaceably. However Sobol tried to hijack this and march on Red Square to occupy it. She was ratted out by some of the others and only got about 10% to follow her in the attempt... it was stopped and arrests made. The purpose was all for Western MSM and funded by non Russians, for non Russians.

    Similar to Hong Kong, legitimate grieves hijacked by radicals working for and paid for by outside parties.

    Totally unlike the protests in your own country which are strictly grass roots.
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    Post  PhSt on Sun Aug 11, 2019 2:36 pm


    But how about the loophole in the election process that the 5th columnist thugs can exploit by flooding the election ballot with their candidates? Is this being addressed or Not?
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    Post  kvs on Sun Aug 11, 2019 2:58 pm

    People are forgetting that a large part of these demonstrators were bused in. '

    Recall how it is popular in NATO to dismiss protests they don't like by invoking the "bused in" claim. Well,
    these Moscow demonstrations are not just by locals. Without the busing in they would be probably 1/4
    of what they are.

    And 15,000 is the right number based on the photos. It is getting ridiculous how any number can be claimed
    as if it is impossible to count heads from a photo or video. Even an extrapolation based on a sampling of
    a few areas and getting heads/m^2 is good enough.

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    Post  Aristide on Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:50 pm

    franco wrote:There actually were two protests. The first was with a permit and involved about 30,000 people. They assembled, did their protest and dispersed peaceably. However Sobol tried to hijack this and march on Red Square to occupy it. She was ratted out by some of the others and only got about 10% to follow her in the attempt... it was stopped and arrests made. The purpose was all for Western MSM and funded by non Russians, for non Russians.

    Similar to Hong Kong, legitimate grieves hijacked by radicals working for and paid for by outside parties.

    Totally unlike the protests in your own country which are strictly grass roots.

    The protests in my own country were heavily paid from outside fractions. Macron more and more became anti american and then yellow vest shit started.

    I´m member of RN (le pen party) and even we distanced us from this protests, which were agitated from outside.

    The people who started it had legit goals but when they started to attack french national symbols, they lost their support from the french public.

    President Macron has become rampant anti american, something i did not expect at the beginning of his presidency.

    Our police can be quite merciless and i support this. When you attack our architecture, business or symbols, you get the baton into the face.

    There were yellow vests trying to block firefighters to reach Notre Dame. Which true French would do this?
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    Post  franco on Sun Aug 11, 2019 5:45 pm

    Very detailed recount of the demonstrations in Moscow... worth while to translate.

    https://rg.ru/2019/08/11/reg-cfo/akciia-na-saharova-ne-privlekla-moskvichej-ni-slovom-ni-pesnej-i-togda-liudej-snova-pozvali-na-progulki.html
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    Post  calripson on Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:49 pm

    It is easy to be dismissive about the protests in Moscow, but the truth is there is a substantial number of liberal supporters particularly among the young. The bad 1990s were a long time ago - before the memory of many people under 35. Putin has been in power for 20 years; there is a natural fatigue that comes with this. In the West, they create the illusion of choice and change (Obama's "Change You Can Believe In"). Of course, the fundamental interests never change and the real powers behind the politicians remain in power.

    It would have been wise for Putin or the FSB to create a controlled opposition that would act as a safety valve for political dissent. The Communists used to play this role but they are used up. The problem is Russian history and the hierarchy of power: Power in Russia is too personalized. Putin would fear handing over power (even nominally) to anyone other than a chipmunk like Medvedev. In the West, power is a decentralized behind the shadows financial oligarchy.

    The problem in contemporary Russia is real. I can't tell you how many Russian business people I deal with who want to send their kids to school in the US or UK, who want to get a green card, who want to reside in Italy, Spain, Australia, or Dubai. There is almost a fundamental conflict between the individual interests of the modern day bourgeoisie and the interests of the Russian state. A state whose educational system produced them in the first place.

    Chinese bourgeoisie by the way (who I also deal with extensively) are even worse. They can't wait to get themselves, their money, and their kids out of China.

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    Russian Liberal Opposition - Page 8 Empty Re: Russian Liberal Opposition

    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:23 pm

    calripson wrote:It is easy to be dismissive about the protests in Moscow, but the truth is there is a substantial number of liberal supporters particularly among the young. The bad 1990s were a long time ago - before the memory of many people under 35. Putin has been in power for 20 years; there is a natural fatigue that comes with this. In the West, they create the illusion of choice and change (Obama's "Change You Can Believe In"). Of course, the fundamental interests never change and the real powers behind the politicians remain in power.

    It would have been wise for Putin or the FSB to create a controlled opposition that would act as a safety valve for political dissent. The Communists used to play this role but they are used up. The problem is Russian history and the hierarchy of power: Power in Russia is too personalized. Putin would fear handing over power (even nominally) to anyone other than a chipmunk like Medvedev. In the West, power is a decentralized behind the shadows financial oligarchy.

    The problem in contemporary Russia is real. I can't tell you how many Russian business people I deal with who want to send their kids to school in the US or UK, who want to get a green card, who want to reside in Italy, Spain, Australia, or Dubai. There is almost a fundamental conflict between the individual interests of the modern day bourgeoisie and the interests of the Russian state. A state whose educational system produced them in the first place.

    Chinese bourgeoisie by the way (who I also deal with extensively) are even worse. They can't wait to get themselves, their money, and their kids out of China.


    Anecdotal evidence isn't evidence.

    Rich people all around the world does that. Rich people in Canada get their kids into either US universities or French or something else.

    In honesty though, you are semi correct. KPRF is losing popularity but it still gets way more votes than any other liberal group. LDPR on the other hand is gaining votes and popularity meaning that average Russian (which is in their 30's) are getting to be rather nationalistic.

    The youth you speak of is mostly like that. As soon as reality strikes them, they are no longer these multi colored haired freaks of nature. Reality is seen. We all seen it. They have little support and that is as Franco pointed out - they try to divert the sanctioned rallies by protesting somewhere else and even many of their "own" ratted them out to authorities.

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