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    Chechenia republic

    Post  Vann7 on Fri May 16, 2014 4:01 am

    How that works? Chechenia republic its special police or military receive the same military equipment ,future soldier gear and training than the Russian Federation in moscow ?  For example can Chechen republic that is inside the Russian federation ,can chechen republic its special forces receive Kornets-D missile and same weapons that the Russian Federation special forces and army ,like a T-90A tank?

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    Post  Asf on Fri May 16, 2014 8:04 am

    Vann7 wrote:How that works? Chechenia republic its special police or military receive the same military equipment ,future soldier gear and training than the Russian Federation in moscow ?  For example can Chechen republic that is inside the Russian federation ,can chechen republic its special forces receive Kornets-D missile and same weapons that the Russian Federation special forces and army ,like a T-90A tank?
    Chechnia is a part of Russian Federation. Most of the T-90A are in the Joint Command South, and Chechnia is the part of that Joint Command.
    There are their own ministries of internal affairs (republican MVDs) in federal republics (like Chechnia), which are subordinate to the federal ministry of internal affairs, but still have some degree of independence (locals are on the commanding posts, ect.), and the Army is strictly federal with the rigid chain of command (they are mostly russians from other federal subjects serving in Chechnia, but still there are many local-born contract soldiers). This situation influences on the logistics: local MVD's can buy equipment from it's own budgets, for example, iirc, the Army's supply is strictly centralized with little exceptions (unit's commanders have autority over some common tasks fundings, as I know, but not the munition supply or vehicles).

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    Post  Vann7 on Fri May 16, 2014 9:14 am

    Asf wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:How that works? Chechenia republic its special police or military receive the same military equipment ,future soldier gear and training than the Russian Federation in moscow ?  For example can Chechen republic that is inside the Russian federation ,can chechen republic its special forces receive Kornets-D missile and same weapons that the Russian Federation special forces and army ,like a T-90A tank?
    Chechnia is a part of Russian Federation. Most of the T-90A are in the Joint Command South, and Chechnia is the part of that Joint Command.
    There are their own ministries of internal affairs (republican MVDs) in federal republics (like Chechnia), which are subordinate to the federal ministry of internal affairs, but still have some degree of independence (locals are on the commanding posts, ect.), and the Army is strictly federal with the rigid chain of command (they are mostly russians from other federal subjects serving in Chechnia, but still there are many local-born contract soldiers). This situation influences on the logistics: local MVD's can buy equipment from it's own budgets, for example, iirc, the Army's supply is strictly centralized with little exceptions (unit's commanders have autority over some common tasks fundings, as I know, but not the munition supply or vehicles).

    So are there many chechens that joins the Russian army? or its rare?

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    Post  Asf on Fri May 16, 2014 10:40 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    So are there many chechens that joins the Russian army? or its rare?
    I do not know the exact numbers. There is still no conscription from Chechnia and usually you have to serve as a conscript to join the Army later as a contract soldier (but no an officer, officers go in a different path). But still chechens are a bit wild and warlike people (highlanders are all the same), they like to be warriors. And still not that much job in the republic and contract solders do have good salary for a not very reach region (many of them goes to different other regions of Russia for the job though).

    I know there are many different MVD units in Chechnia, which consists of chechens only (they fought terrorists primely on they own for the long time), and some of them serves in the Army (there is rumors about chechen-only battalion(s) like disbanded Vostok and Zapad, do not know for sure).
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    Post  sepheronx on Fri May 16, 2014 4:14 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    Asf wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:How that works? Chechenia republic its special police or military receive the same military equipment ,future soldier gear and training than the Russian Federation in moscow ?  For example can Chechen republic that is inside the Russian federation ,can chechen republic its special forces receive Kornets-D missile and same weapons that the Russian Federation special forces and army ,like a T-90A tank?
    Chechnia is a part of Russian Federation. Most of the T-90A are in the Joint Command South, and Chechnia is the part of that Joint Command.
    There are their own ministries of internal affairs (republican MVDs) in federal republics (like Chechnia), which are subordinate to the federal ministry of internal affairs, but still have some degree of independence (locals are on the commanding posts, ect.), and the Army is strictly federal with the rigid chain of command (they are mostly russians from other federal subjects serving in Chechnia, but still there are many local-born contract soldiers). This situation influences on the logistics: local MVD's can buy equipment from it's own budgets, for example, iirc, the Army's supply is strictly centralized with little exceptions (unit's commanders have autority over some common tasks fundings, as I know, but not the munition supply or vehicles).

    So are there many chechens that joins the Russian army? or its rare?

    They have their own regions military units, I think the 58th Army is mostly Chechen? At least was during 2008 war.

    Chechens make good mercenaries for Russian's in conflicts. Many were used during the Chechen war against their own, as it was a struggle for power via the tribes as well. And in the future, Cossacks and Chechens will still be used as a form of mercenaries for the Russian gov, which is a benefit over anything else, as Mercenaries are more likely to do the task at hand because they are doing it for moeny over pride, and as well, they are still "their own" so they do not get this entire feeling of being "ruled" over by anyone else. They are given tasks to do, and they go do it based upon how they think is best (which is usually a brutal and less than human like, which I am not a fan of).

    this is what I gathered from reading around since the 2008 conflict.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat May 17, 2014 11:58 am

    They have their own regions military units, I think the 58th Army is mostly Chechen? At least was during 2008 war.

    Chechens make good mercenaries for Russian's in conflicts. Many were used during the Chechen war against their own, as it was a struggle for power via the tribes as well. And in the future, Cossacks and Chechens will still be used as a form of mercenaries for the Russian gov, which is a benefit over anything else, as Mercenaries are more likely to do the task at hand because they are doing it for moeny over pride, and as well, they are still "their own" so they do not get this entire feeling of being "ruled" over by anyone else. They are given tasks to do, and they go do it based upon how they think is best (which is usually a brutal and less than human like, which I am not a fan of).

    this is what I gathered from reading around since the 2008 conflict.

    Change Chechens for Scottish and Russia for UK or England and you could say the same thing... The Scots in the British Army aren't all fighting for Queen and country and the vast majority are infantry units AFAIK...

    The Chechens have a fighting spirit which can be used... and abused.

    They are no more mercenary than any other professional soldier (who also fights for money BTW).
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    Post  flamming_python on Sun May 18, 2014 11:43 pm

    sepheronx wrote:I think the 58th Army is mostly Chechen?  At least was during 2008 war.



    Chechens make good mercenaries for Russian's in conflicts.  Many were used during the Chechen war against their own, as it was a struggle for power via the tribes as well.  And in the future, Cossacks and Chechens will still be used as a form of mercenaries for the Russian gov, which is a benefit over anything else, as Mercenaries are more likely to do the task at hand because they are doing it for moeny over pride, and as well, they are still "their own" so they do not get this entire feeling of being "ruled" over by anyone else.  They are given tasks to do, and they go do it based upon how they think is best (which is usually a brutal and less than human like, which I am not a fan of).

    this is what I gathered from reading around since the 2008 conflict.

    Chechen battalions performed professionally and effectively in Georgia 2008, they successfully assaulted a Georgian unit and took them captive. No beheadings, earcuttings, anything like that. Only thing is that the captives ended up with quite a few bruises but nothing more than that.

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    Post  Asf on Mon May 19, 2014 10:29 am

    I think the 58th Army is mostly Chechen? At least was during 2008 war.
    Lol  Very Happy  And don't forget chechen Black Sea Fleet and chechen VDV in Abkhazia.

    It's really funny to see how people are scared with virtual chechens sended to own their asses - georgians first, then ukrainian ''national guard' in the South-East.It is worth two wars to earn such a nice reputation
    I can't wait to see a NATO army abandon their position because of chechen horde assaulting their front.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon May 19, 2014 10:41 am

    Actually I should say that in many ways they are like the Gurkas in the British Army... I mentioned the Scottish because the Scottish are part of the UK like Chechnia is part of the Russian Federation and of course Nepal is no part of the UK.

    Claims of being fearsome warriors... but in reality they turn out to be dedicated professionals.

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    Post  Asf on Mon May 19, 2014 10:46 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Claims of being fearsome warriors... but in reality they turn out to be dedicated professionals.
    Chechens of Vostok battalion had great experince of an assymetric warfare, because many of them were insurgents before they turned sides and join pro-russian forces. Nowadays many chechens in internal troops in Chechnia do have good anti-terrorist experience. But most of chechen reputation is about being a ruthless headtaker and a fearless fanatic. Greorgians in 2008 were scared of being murdured instead of being captured by chechens.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon May 19, 2014 11:53 am

    But most of chechen reputation is about being a ruthless headtaker and a fearless fanatic. Greorgians in 2008 were scared of being murdured instead of being captured by chechens.

    Which is why I mentioned the Gurkhas... often rumour and suggestion make them more than they are. Many Argentine soldiers thought the Gurkhas would eat them during the Falklands war...

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    Post  Asf on Mon May 19, 2014 1:48 pm

    Which is why I mentioned the Gurkhas...
    I agree with you. And don't forget about cossacks  Smile  After napoleonic wars they earned similar fearful reputation.
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    Post  Regular on Mon May 19, 2014 3:12 pm

    Vostok troops didn't cut POWs heads, rather gave them good beating, injured their index fingers so they wouldn't use guns when released and exchanged them. Most of chechens there were young guys who never been insurgents before. But there were plenty of veterans too. I can understand why chechens fought Russia on first war and why they joined russian side on second. First war could be way different if Putin would've been president then.
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    Re: Chechenia republic

    Post  sepheronx on Mon May 19, 2014 5:06 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:I think the 58th Army is mostly Chechen?  At least was during 2008 war.



    Chechens make good mercenaries for Russian's in conflicts.  Many were used during the Chechen war against their own, as it was a struggle for power via the tribes as well.  And in the future, Cossacks and Chechens will still be used as a form of mercenaries for the Russian gov, which is a benefit over anything else, as Mercenaries are more likely to do the task at hand because they are doing it for moeny over pride, and as well, they are still "their own" so they do not get this entire feeling of being "ruled" over by anyone else.  They are given tasks to do, and they go do it based upon how they think is best (which is usually a brutal and less than human like, which I am not a fan of).

    this is what I gathered from reading around since the 2008 conflict.

    Chechen battalions performed professionally and effectively in Georgia 2008, they successfully assaulted a Georgian unit and took them captive. No beheadings, earcuttings, anything like that. Only thing is that the captives ended up with quite a few bruises but nothing more than that.

    There was a Reason I added a ?. I remember reading chechen divisions so I figured they were in 58th as they were sent to Georgia, no?

    Still, regardless if they acted professional or not, they make good mercs for Russia.
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    Post  Regular on Mon May 19, 2014 5:57 pm

    You can't really call a servicemen who gave their oath a merc. You would be surprised that most of chechens actualy prefer to live in federation. They have their own control of their country like no Soviet Republic had. They like stability, federal funds and they like to have their say in a country. Their culture is entangled with russian. They like watching russian tv, listening russian music and russian is their second tongue. Clan mentality is becoming thing of the past and mafia are becoming buisnessmen. Now Ukraine looks much worse than Chechnya
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    Post  sepheronx on Mon May 19, 2014 6:44 pm

    Regular wrote:You can't really call a servicemen who gave their oath a merc. You would be surprised that most of chechens actualy prefer to live in federation. They have their own control of their country like no Soviet Republic had. They like stability, federal funds and they like to have their say in a country. Their culture is entangled with russian. They like watching russian tv, listening russian music and russian is their second tongue. Clan mentality is becoming thing of the past and mafia are becoming buisnessmen. Now Ukraine looks much worse than Chechnya

    I cant deny that! Good point.
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    Post  TR1 on Tue May 20, 2014 12:37 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:
    Asf wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:How that works? Chechenia republic its special police or military receive the same military equipment ,future soldier gear and training than the Russian Federation in moscow ?  For example can Chechen republic that is inside the Russian federation ,can chechen republic its special forces receive Kornets-D missile and same weapons that the Russian Federation special forces and army ,like a T-90A tank?
    Chechnia is a part of Russian Federation. Most of the T-90A are in the Joint Command South, and Chechnia is the part of that Joint Command.
    There are their own ministries of internal affairs (republican MVDs) in federal republics (like Chechnia), which are subordinate to the federal ministry of internal affairs, but still have some degree of independence (locals are on the commanding posts, ect.), and the Army is strictly federal with the rigid chain of command (they are mostly russians from other federal subjects serving in Chechnia, but still there are many local-born contract soldiers). This situation influences on the logistics: local MVD's can buy equipment from it's own budgets, for example, iirc, the Army's supply is strictly centralized with little exceptions (unit's commanders have autority over some common tasks fundings, as I know, but not the munition supply or vehicles).

    So are there many chechens that joins the Russian army? or its rare?

    They have their own regions military units, I think the 58th Army is mostly Chechen?  At least was during 2008 war.

    .

    Not even close to mostly Chechen. You are thinking of the two Chechen "special" units, but the 58th did not have particularly many Chechens. Or people from Kavkaz in general, at least what the pics showed. That was of course not the entirety of the 58th army, and almost 6 years ago (how time flies).
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    Post  TR1 on Tue May 20, 2014 12:42 am

    Regular wrote:You can't really call a servicemen who gave their oath a merc. You would be surprised that most of chechens actualy prefer to live in federation. They have their own control of their country like no Soviet Republic had. They like stability, federal funds and they like to have their say in a country. Their culture is entangled with russian. They like watching russian tv, listening russian music and russian is their second tongue. Clan mentality is becoming thing of the past and mafia are becoming buisnessmen. Now Ukraine looks much worse than Chechnya

    I think the differences that remain are a lot more than you think.
    Clan (family really) mentality is still very strong, as is "non-Russian" sense of identity.

    Kadyrov has made the place stable, but honestly, how far can Chechnya go with such a leader....

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    Kadyrov, Chechnya and the Caucasus

    Post  Firebird on Sun Feb 28, 2016 3:28 pm

    So Kadyrov is stepping down. OK we knew he was a piece of Islamist shit. But a useful one, to some degree. And not the worst. Surely we all know he couldn't have been trusted even if he did some good things. Look what duplicitous scum Terdogan, Obummer and the like are. But what do people think will happen in Chechnya and the Caucasus now he's supposedly stepping down?

    Is it time to take back what was Chechnya's fairly high level of autonomy? Will there be serious unrest?
    Will huge scandals break over Kadyrov? Will he remain in control with Kremlin approval or disappear?
    Will there be a substantial re-Russification of the region, bearing in mind the appalling level of ethnic "cleansing" in the recent past?
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    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Feb 28, 2016 4:36 pm

    Firebird wrote:So Kadyrov is stepping down. OK we knew he was a piece of Islamist shit. But a useful one, to some degree. And not the worst. Surely we all know he couldn't have been trusted even if he did some good things. Look what duplicitous scum Terdogan, Obummer and the like are. But what do people think will happen in Chechnya and the Caucuses now he's supposedly stepping down?

    Is it time to take back what was Chechnya's fairly high level of autonomy? Will there be serious unrest?
    Will huge scandals break over Kadyrov? Will he remain in control with Kremlin approval or disappear?
    Will there be a substantial re-Russification of the region, bearing in mind the appalling level of ethnic "cleansing" in the recent past?

    Ruling it like a colony (current state of affairs) is a better option.
    If Russia wants to establish a solid, "Christian", anti-"moderate" footing in the Caucasus they need to work with both Georgia and Armenia.

    PS. Caucasus not Caucases thumbsup
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Mon Feb 29, 2016 1:27 am

    Let's start with the very unfortunate state of affairs, that there are almost no Russians in Chechnya today. All of them fled post-1991.

    Massive immigration from Russia, best coupled with intermarriage and conversion, would be needed to set the region onto a track for brighter future. Something that may become possible with the rising birth rate among ethnic Russian (and Belarussians).

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    Post  Firebird on Mon Feb 29, 2016 3:44 pm

    The Western press speculated that Russia's 2011-2020 arnament modernisation was connected to a predicted reignition of instability the Caucusus.

    Kadyrov resigns, and we get this evil filth the following day or so:-

    https://www.rt.com/news/333928-woman-severed-head-metro/

    IMO, you can't call them animals, because animals would never behave in such a manner.
    Atleast Moscow may be cleared of some of its trash after this...

    PS actually I never realised. I assumed Caususus was a plural with -es - like the Dardanelles etc.

    PPS I hope the Russian electoral commission gets to work on seeing that any elections in Chechnya atleast reflect the votes of civilised people who were forced out of Chechnya by Islamist scum.

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    Post  Project Canada on Sun Apr 02, 2017 12:52 pm

    I feel this is not the correct thread to post this but its got to do with extremism and extremism is what causes islamic insurgency 


    Chechnya passes bill allowing (aka mandatory) Hijab in schools
    https://www.rt.com/politics/382954-chechnya-passes-bill-allowing-schoolgirls/

    And

    Sweeping purge against gays in Chechnya
    https://en.crimerussia.com/gromkie-dela/sweeping-purge-against-gays-in-chechnya-people-killed/


    So., wtf is going on with the rus government? Isn't there supposedly a "limit" as to how far these muslims can go with their ways? If they are left unchecked then these muzzs will continue to chip away the very last foundations of Secular laws and make everything Islamic! So why did the Russian government suddenly gone soft to these brazen islamization being done in broad daylight? I support Russia for being the sole Christian country to fight for Christianity and Christian rights yet they too are giving in to Islamization. When can I see the day when tables are turned and its Muslims turn to being Christianized in the most brutal way?? 
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    Post  kvs on Sun Apr 02, 2017 5:47 pm

    Project Canada wrote:I feel this is not the correct thread to post this but its got to do with extremism and extremism is what causes islamic insurgency 


    Chechnya passes bill allowing (aka mandatory) Hijab in schools
    https://www.rt.com/politics/382954-chechnya-passes-bill-allowing-schoolgirls/

    And

    Sweeping purge against gays in Chechnya
    https://en.crimerussia.com/gromkie-dela/sweeping-purge-against-gays-in-chechnya-people-killed/


    So., wtf is going on with the rus government? Isn't there supposedly a "limit" as to how far these muslims can go with their ways? If they are left unchecked then these muzzs will continue to chip away the very last foundations of Secular laws and make everything Islamic! So why did the Russian government suddenly gone soft to these brazen islamization being done in broad daylight? I support Russia for being the sole Christian country to fight for Christianity and Christian rights yet they too are giving in to Islamization. When can I see the day when tables are turned and its Muslims turn to being Christianized in the most brutal way?? 

    Russia "won" the insurgency war in Chechnya because it co-opted local forces. So this accommodation is predicable. If
    this is how they want to live then, let them. The rest of Russia is not subjected to these cultural norms. In fact, it is
    better for the people there to experience these restrictions and then vote with their feet by moving to other parts of
    Russia. If Russia tries to fight this, then it goes back to square one.

    Sweden and elsewhere in the west, there is lots of accommodation of Islamic cultural agendas in every school, business
    and location. This does not happen in Russia. Russia would have let Chechnya secede if it wasn't going to be converted
    into a jihadi military base used to terrorize its territory. This cannot be tolerated and Russia has decided to fight the jihadis
    all the way back to the Middle East such as in Syria instead of sitting and doing nothing like a victim. This the correct
    policy and not trying to impose Russian norms on Chechens in Chechnya. So it is OK if Russia is a spectrum of confederated
    republics with local norms that are not even consistent with each other. Russia has always been a collection of Russias.

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