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    Wan2345

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    Russia Police Special Forces - OMOH / SOBR

    Post  Wan2345 on Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:46 am

    Russia Special Forces - OMOH

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    Re: OMON and SOBR

    Post  Pervius on Wed Aug 03, 2011 6:19 pm

    LOL....they actually broke that guys back flipping him over on that table for a propaganda film on their capabilities?


    ...well there's 1 less Russian for the world to worry about to fight against in a future war.


    The guy laying on the ground with the belt fed machine gun firing away, holding the bottom of the thumbhole stock with his left hand like that will likely end up cracking the stock. Notice how the machine guns forward end is rocking back and forth from right to left heavily? His bullets are not precise.

    The next rifle shows a guy shooting a small tube scoped rifle and holding the magazine bottom to steady the rifle....mmm....fail.

    Then the big truck rolling thru an and a simulated IED goes off...the truck stops......you never stop.

    And the video's almost 6 years old. Why does this keep popping up? Surely they've got to have a better camera by now to make a new video with better pixelation so further scrutiny can be applied.
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    Re: OMON and SOBR

    Post  GarryB on Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:10 am

    LOL....they actually broke that guys back flipping him over on that table for a propaganda film on their capabilities?

    You mean the guy in the restaurant? Was he OMON?

    The guy laying on the ground with the belt fed machine gun firing away, holding the bottom of the thumbhole stock with his left hand like that will likely end up cracking the stock.

    I have seen plenty of footage of soldiers holding PKMs that way. The buttstock of the RPK also has a peculiar shape to aide the operator holding that part of the stock during firing too.

    Notice how the machine guns forward end is rocking back and forth from right to left heavily? His bullets are not precise.

    We don't know what he is shooting at. OMON don't fire at targets at 1,500m normally, they are in many ways like US SWAT teams and fire at targets much closer. Targets at less than 300m that are made up of a group of armed men will require bullet dispersion. If you want precision... well they have plenty of SVDs for that role.

    Note one criticism leveled at the British Bren gun was that in some cases it was too accurate and didn't have enough bullet dispersion to be a good light machine gun.

    The next rifle shows a guy shooting a small tube scoped rifle and holding the magazine bottom to steady the rifle....mmm....fail.

    The SVD is a very reliable weapon and does not suffer misfeeds when you hold the magazine during firing like some weapons do.

    Then the big truck rolling thru an and a simulated IED goes off...the truck stops......you never stop.

    When the IED disables your truck you don't get a choice in the matter. This is a simulated ambush... if the truck just keeps driving through what exactly is the point of the simulation?

    And the video's almost 6 years old. Why does this keep popping up? Surely they've got to have a better camera by now to make a new video with better pixelation so further scrutiny can be applied.

    Sounds like a challenge... can someone find a better quality newer video to post here?

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    Re: OMON and SOBR

    Post  Pervius on Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:04 pm

    You don't hold a sniper rifle by the bottom of the magazine. No matter how good the rifle is.

    Too wobbly.

    That Kalashnikov PK appears to have a non-adjustable bipod....so with the uneven ground the shooter has to have his hand like that to pull the right leg of the bipod off the ground to engage the target. Recoil from that open bolt firing PK would have 7.62x54 rounds wandering all over.

    M60 Machine Gun has adjustable bipod legs, and an American could make the right leg longer to properly sit on the ground level on uneven terrain to engage targets.


    Who sets up a machine gun laying on the ground with the bipod on uneven terrain? Russia should give it's machine gunners some little shovels....or just drag the butt of the gun along the ground to have a nice flat area for the bipod to sit on.
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    Re: OMON and SOBR

    Post  GarryB on Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:56 am

    You don't hold a sniper rifle by the bottom of the magazine. No matter how good the rifle is.

    Too wobbly.

    He is not supporting the rifle with that hand, the rifle is resting on the cover in front of him... it is like using a bipod... the bipod supports the rifle so it really doesn't matter where you put your hand. He is holding the magazine because it is comfortable, he is not supporting the rifle with that hand.

    That Kalashnikov PK appears to have a non-adjustable bipod....so with the uneven ground the shooter has to have his hand like that to pull the right leg of the bipod off the ground to engage the target. Recoil from that open bolt firing PK would have 7.62x54 rounds wandering all over.

    The PKM does not use adjustable bipod legs.

    Like I said, these guys are OMON, not Army. They will not be shooting at targets more than 300m away. If they are shooting at a small point target they have plenty of guys with SVDs and other rifles. If they are shooting a PKM at the target then they want a bit of bullet spread because they are clearly putting in suppressive fire.

    I have plenty of experience with bipods on uneven ground and I know that as long as there is an ability to angle the bipod side to side you can use it on uneven ground without needing to adjust it. I have seen soldiers holding the bipod when using the sling to carry the weapon and firing while moving so I know the bipod will pivot to the side, which would be enough to sit the weapon on uneven ground.
    If the operator is lifting the bipod up off the ground to hit certain targets... well who am I to tell him he is doing it wrong?

    M60 Machine Gun has adjustable bipod legs, and an American could make the right leg longer to properly sit on the ground level on uneven terrain to engage targets.

    Yeah, the M60 is hardly the Machine gun to use as an example of what machine guns should be.

    Every spare barrel you carry for the M60 has its own bipod.

    Not the best design.

    Besides every machinegunner will get a field of fire they will need to cover.
    Unless they are using a tripod or only need to cover a very narrow FOV they will need to occasionally pick the gun up and move it to hit targets outside of the range of fire of where they set the weapon. Bipods don't allow weapons to swivel horizontally over a wide range.
    The bipod of the PKM is mounted on the gas tube of the PKM instead of on the barrel like in the PKP (Pecheneg). This means it can be moved to cover a wider arc but sometimes you will still need to move it to cover some targets. The PKP has its bipod at its muzzle but it is not designed for the barrel to be changed in combat so spare barrels with extra bipods are not needed.

    Who sets up a machine gun laying on the ground with the bipod on uneven terrain? Russia should give it's machine gunners some little shovels....or just drag the butt of the gun along the ground to have a nice flat area for the bipod to sit on.

    It is hard to get proper context from that short clip, but as I repeated several times these guys are OMON... they are more like FBI SWAT than SEALs.

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    Re: OMON and SOBR

    Post  Pervius on Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:15 pm

    GarryB wrote:

    these guys are OMON... they are more like FBI SWAT than SEALs.


    Ha ha ha! That's not a compliment to OMON.


    The PK/PKM has a removable barrel..like the M60, which is why the bipod is put on the gas tube. The PKP Pecheneg variant doesn't have a removable barrel, bipod is on the barrel.


    Why doesn't Russia go with adjustable bipods on belt fed machine guns? Such a simple modification would save ammo. You would think OMOM would be using newer PKP Pecheneg version or AEK-999 Barsuk variant which has a silencer.

    Not old clunky PK's meant for regular forces.
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    Re: OMON and SOBR

    Post  GarryB on Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:32 am

    Ha ha ha! That's not a compliment to OMON.

    I mean their role, not their performance.


    Why doesn't Russia go with adjustable bipods on belt fed machine guns? Such a simple modification would save ammo. You would think OMOM would be using newer PKP Pecheneg version or AEK-999 Barsuk variant which has a silencer.

    The AEK-999 was a modification of the PKM in competition with the PKP for a new machine gun.

    It seems the PKP has won.

    For mobile use the existing bipod seems to do the job. For a more stable mount there is a tripod.

    The Soviets/Russians have plenty of experience with Machine guns and know what they want.
    At the end of WWII they had the RP-46 which used belt fed and pan magazine feed with a removable barrel in 7.62 x 54mm in the light machine gun role. They replaced that with the RPD with belt feed and a fixed barrel. This was replaced with the RPK and then RPK-74 both with fixed barrels and box magazine feeds. The new LMG seems to be the PKP with a fixed barrel, belt feed and 7.62 x 54mm ammo. The question will be will there be a new RPK-200 and as the AK-200 will have 60 round mags will the RPK-200 have even larger capacity mags, or is the PKP the replacement... much heavier, but better range and power.

    Not old clunky PK's meant for regular forces.

    Not much wrong with the PKM. I'd take it over the pig any day.
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    Re: OMON and SOBR

    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Sep 05, 2011 11:41 pm

    OMON isn't an Army style special forces unit but a special purpose paramilitary Police Force. It's sort of a combination of a anti-riot / SWAT type unit.

    Here's an interesting video....I'm assuming this is a exercise


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    Re: OMON and SOBR

    Post  Pervius on Tue Sep 06, 2011 5:31 pm

    ahhhh...just riot police. To beat down people.


    Obama wanted to create the same thing in America. He wanted to create a "Federal Police" like OMOH...because of alllll the immigrants brought into America who don't want to melt in melting pot and always protest flying their home country flags.

    Obama said "I want to create a Federal police (OMOH) big as the US military".....everyone laughed. And pay them with what?

    The US (and China bought some too) now have LRAD. A couple guys can disperse ALL rioters with sound weapon. In Russia citizens can see OMOH beating citizens. In China/US....nobody can see the guy smiling because he turned the LRAD weapon to high to really cook people.


    OMOH= bad PR.
    EMF Weapons= Happier People....they don't know when people are cooked with EMF weapons.

    Russia needs to modernize.

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    Re: OMON and SOBR

    Post  GarryB on Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:15 am

    Every major country has riots... the recent riots in the UK are just an example... the Rodney King riots in the US is another example.

    Force is used... whether it is internal security forces or the army that is called it... it makes no difference... force is used to stop the riots.

    Syria is a good example... some people riot and protest and the government sends in the troops.

    We see lots of phone camera footage, but most of it is blurry and often turns out to be from different middle east countries instead. We hear thousands of innocent civilians are being killed every week and then we are told about 2,000 protesters have been killed along with about 1,000 soldiers and policemen. Kinda makes you think perhaps those protesters are not so innocent.

    My point?

    Propaganda.

    If it happens in the UK then twitter has to be banned and it is all blamed on young kids in hoodies, when it happens in Russia... it is Putin turning back to communism... despite the fact that Medvedev has been in charge for quite some time. When it happens in Syria it is an evil anti democracy government that needs to be replaced. When it happens in Bahrain and Saudi Arabia sends goons to help put down demonstrations... well you didn't see anything on the BBC or CNN or even FOX News about that did you?
    No cries for sanctions or regime change there was there?

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    SOBR MVD spetsnaz drills - new equipment

    Post  Asf on Tue May 13, 2014 1:02 pm

    Basically, it's Special quick responce detachment of MVD named SOBR (something like SWAT teams in USA) and is not a part of the Army, but I think it can be interesting.



    1:00 - nice-looking modern equipment

    Warning: Kadirov detected  :-)


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    Re: OMON and SOBR

    Post  Cyberspec on Wed May 14, 2014 2:17 am

    Yeah they look tough and well equipped.
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    Re: OMON and SOBR

    Post  Werewolf on Wed May 14, 2014 2:05 pm

    What was the patch on their uniforms with green,red and white?
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    Re: OMON and SOBR

    Post  Regular on Wed May 14, 2014 5:47 pm

    Werewolf wrote:What was the patch on their uniforms with green,red and white?
    FC Terek Grozny flag. Seriously it's flag of Chechnya republic
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    Re: OMON and SOBR

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Thu May 15, 2014 7:31 pm

    Nice looking very modern equipment!!
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    Re: OMON and SOBR

    Post  George1 on Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:42 am

    SOBR Rys'



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    Re: OMON and SOBR

    Post  George1 on Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:43 am

    which type of helicopter is this?
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    Re: OMON and SOBR

    Post  Werewolf on Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:04 am

    George1 wrote:which type of helicopter is this?

    Eurocopter AS355N Ecureil 2 for Police forces (usually).
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    Re: OMON and SOBR

    Post  George1 on Tue Nov 18, 2014 11:59 am

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    OMON and SOBR

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    Re: OMON and SOBR

    Post  George1 on Thu May 31, 2018 12:33 am

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