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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #9

    Post  Austin on Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:56 pm

    Russia's top 5 trump cards in the sanctions game against the US

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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #9

    Post  dino00 on Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:41 pm


    Russia expects budget surplus of 1.5-2% of GDP and 1.8-2% GDP growth in 2018

    More:
    http://tass.com/economy/1016971

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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #9

    Post  Big_Gazza on Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:33 am

    dino00 wrote:
    Russia expects budget surplus of 1.5-2% of GDP and 1.8-2% GDP growth in 2018

    More:
    http://tass.com/economy/1016971


    Muricans can take their well-laid plans for "sanctions from Hell" and shove them up their well-laid arses. Russia will shrug off the latest sabotage attempts, emerge stronger for it, and smirk at the useless "giant" with feet of clay.
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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #9

    Post  GarryB on Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:03 am

    The key is to ensure that any reactions don't effect Russia financially...

    So lets block the sale of rocket engines to the US... but to avoid financial damage to Russia... sell them to North Korea and Iran... Twisted Evil

    I am sure the mention of such a plan would have the necessary effect.

    The real problem of course is that the US has good cop and bad cop, so the democrats can put through all sorts of shit legislation to stir the pot and Trump could veto it if Putin gives him a good deal.

    Clearly the problem is that all the anti putin forces in Russia can't fill that role because they get all their funding from the west so they are not going to be bad cop in this scenario.

    Perhaps Putin or Medvedev need to say in public that if the US is going to make accusations and then punish Russia, that Russia might as well be guilty of the crimes they are being accused of.

    Murdering people in the UK... OK... lets see how many people a real military chemical agent can kill... helping Assad? Give him some tactical nukes... Iran... nukes too, and North Korea... they could do with some nuke armed cruise missiles...

    I suspect either WWIII will start or Russia will suddenly not be so bad and we need to talk about it... why do we have so few diplomats in Russia sorting this out? Ohh yes... we were punishing them...

    To be honest pushing Russia away from the US and the west is actually a good thing for Russia...

    A short period of hardship but a future of much better trade relationships with Africa, Asia, and central and south america...

    Screw the west... or should I say the west screwing itself.

    BTW have read a lot of articles recently with Kissenger suggesting an alliance between Russia and the US against rising China... sort of the opposite of the Nixon era US getting cosy with China to combat the Soviet Union....

    The thing is that Russia is a military superpower like the US but is not an economic superpower... China has become an economic super power but has a few things to sort out, but is not really a military superpower. The US is a declining economic superpower but still a military superpower.

    Why would Russia hitch its wagon to the declining US economic system...

    In the current climate there is no chance for the west to have any sort of relationship with Russia... and Trump does not believe in climate change...

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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #9

    Post  Vann7 on Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:42 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    dino00 wrote:
    Russia expects budget surplus of 1.5-2% of GDP and 1.8-2% GDP growth in 2018

    More:
    http://tass.com/economy/1016971


    Muricans can take their well-laid plans for "sanctions from Hell" and shove them up their well-laid arses.  Russia will shrug off the latest sabotage attempts, emerge stronger for it, and smirk at the useless "giant" with feet of clay.  

    The success of AMerican sanctions and isolation from Russia economy.. depends mostly on Europe. Whether they follow or not the sanctions.  Putin the "genius" ,have created a dependence on Europe ,for Russia existence.. but contrary to most people believes.. US sanctions and sabotage on Russia economy ,have caused major damages on Russia economy.. and you see that in Russia reducing the budget of military and space program ,now they cutting their tank mass production to a few dozens..

    But if US manage to pressure Europe , into obeying their sanctions ,which they can do .. using more mafia like
    tactics... like threatening the families of Europeans politicians, jailing their family members with fake accusations.. etc.. lets say that Europe completely cut its energy business with Russia..after pressure of totally block their trade..
    Then Russia will suffer a major economic serious damages..  IRAN today have 40% unemployment and its currency have devalluated in more than half..  The government in IRAN is facing major unrest ,consequence of the economy. Venezuela is even worse.. with an inflation of 1,000%.. on some important things..facing blackouts every day ..  So is not all great.. Russia is not as strong enough to counter Americans..or neither to influence the world ,the developed economies ,into abandoning American sanctions and their created system.  US can do a coup in Europe and get loyal puppets in Germany and France and Brussels or find a way to blackmail them into submission. US can cut Russia from the internet and Banking system.. so it will be like North korea level of isolation.. with only China and India trading with Russia. and US can return to the price war on oil industry ,again for same reasons.. to damage Russia economy...  And if that wasn't bad enough.. US can restart the war in Ukraine to force Russia to interfere and invade.. and something like that will sink Russia economy..having to send a hundred of thousands soldiers to Ukraine to restore any Chaos created by Americans.. So this means that Americans do have plenty of things to do ,to crush Russia economy and isolate them from the world.. while Putin the "genius" don't have any strategy at all to counter American system  .  By Putin ending the use of the Dollar.. will not reduce ,not even one inch ,American influence in the world.. it will not end the popularity of American companies in the world..  and people will still want to buy their iphones and will still want to watch American movies..and their music..and their computers that have no competition for many decades from Russia or anyone else..

    So Russia will depend on Europe to come to the rescue of Russia.. Is the only one that United States can listen and respect.. and that Europe can influence.. the Real solution for Russia ,is to sack Putin ,pressure him to resign from power and replace it ,for a real patriotic leader ,that put an end to Russia dependence on US business.. and decide
    to for the first time to compete with US by building a strong alternative to American most influential business that shape the development of the world into the future.

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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #9

    Post  Nibiru on Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:09 am

    Sack Putin? Sounds like what NATO has been aiming to do for the past decade, was NATO helping Russia find a better leader all along?  Cool
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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #9

    Post  GarryB on Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:11 am

    Sack Putin? Sounds like what NATO has been aiming to do for the past decade, was NATO helping Russia find a better leader all along?

    It is when they start praising Putin that Russian people should start worrying... he is the devil himself while he is doing a good job...
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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #9

    Post  dino00 on Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:40 am


    Russian Budget Surplus Amounted To 2.5% Of GDP In January-July - Finance Ministry

    The Russian budget surplus for January-July amounted to 2.5 percent of the country's gross domestic product (GDP), or 1.383 trillion rubles ($20.4 billion), the Russian Finance Ministry said Monday in its preliminary estimate.

    https://www.urdupoint.com/en/business/russian-budget-surplus-amounted-to-25-of-gd-409734.html

    What sanctions?
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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #9

    Post  Hole on Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:42 pm

    Now with this financial attack on Turkey I slowly start to believe, that Trump is really a russian agent. Laughing
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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #9

    Post  GarryB on Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:41 am

    Not a Russian agent... just thick as pig shit... like most American politicians... Hilary would not have been any better... I suspect Hilary would have gotten into a shitty with Turkey because she would be more active in Syria with all sorts of no fly zone BS and would get rather petty against Russia because she would have lost in Syria just like Trump has.

    I think Hilary would have been less pro israel and less anti Iranian and just more anti Russian, but as he has pointed out Trump has been harder on the Russians than Obama was... but that might just be compensation because he has a small dick.
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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #9

    Post  Hole on Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:21 am

    Hillary has a small dick? Embarassed
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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #9

    Post  Hole on Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:34 pm

    dino00 wrote:
    Russian Budget Surplus Amounted To 2.5% Of GDP In January-July - Finance Ministry

    The Russian budget surplus for January-July amounted to 2.5 percent of the country's gross domestic product (GDP), or 1.383 trillion rubles ($20.4 billion), the Russian Finance Ministry said Monday in its preliminary estimate.

    https://www.urdupoint.com/en/business/russian-budget-surplus-amounted-to-25-of-gd-409734.html

    What sanctions?

    With this money Russia could order 3 - 4 CVN´s. Or 200 Su-56´s. Or 4.000 T-14´s.

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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #9

    Post  Austin on Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:20 pm

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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #9

    Post  Austin on Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:27 pm

    How to build an economy of trust. Results of SPIEF-2018

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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #9

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:35 pm

    Hole wrote:Hillary has a small dick? Embarassed

    Clitory with dick?! Very Happy



    minpromtorg = The Ministry of Industry and Trade

    Minpromtorg discussed with companies the idea of ​​withdrawing super profits in the budget


    What is the initiative related to?
    Last week, presidential aide Andrei Belousov proposed to increase additional budget revenues through the mining and chemical industries. In his opinion, companies in this sphere pay less taxes than in the oil and gas sector. According to the document, which RIA Novosti got acquainted with, this


    РИА Новости https://ria.ru/economy/20180815/1526616222.html



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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #9

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:47 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    I think Hilary would have been less pro israel and less anti Iranian and just more anti Russian, but as he has pointed out Trump has been harder on the Russians than Obama was... but that might just be compensation because he has a small dick.

    IMHO Trump is neither pro nor anti Russian. He is pro Trump and his oligarch comrades. In US we got lots in internal elite crack tensions similar as in Rome in IVth century or so. They got senate, capitol too. Only roman salute is missing Very Happy


    His stance as anti Russian dude is to me clearly ;political game before senate elections (November? October?) . And he is not a man behind all ars now. He is only a catalyst of what was maturing before. Do you think why Putin in 2011 was announcing this great military plans till 2020?


    @Hole - Russia definitely could buy many fighters if needed but investments in economy now is no 1 in afraid.

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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #9

    Post  Austin on Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:40 am

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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #9

    Post  Austin on Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:40 am

    The more I read about MS-21 the more impressive this aircraft is
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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #9

    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:48 am

    It's a good aircraft but doesn't it kind of fit in same category as SSJ?

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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #9

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:20 am

    Not to defend Trump.. because no idea which side he really is...  maybe he playing both sides
    and trying to give something to every one..

    But people need to remember that the congress with full majority of votes ,have authority to bypass the President of United States.. They have the power to Run the Presidency from the congress and even impeach Trump for any fake incident.

    So Trump have very little options , and hands more or less tied , when it comes to sanctions..
    If Overwhelming Majority of congress support a full scale Economic Terrorism on Russia.. then
    Trump the only thing he can do is complain about it.. but will have to sign the law.. to not look powerless
    and weak ..  If Trump is patriotic to the people who voted for him.. and if he have little power..
    as he looks..

    Trump at very least ,should

    1)Avoid a world war 3 with Russia at any cost..  (Try no provoke too much Russia into a fight..)
    and keep communications open..
    2) End US congress and pentagon illegal war in Syria and their support of terrorism.
    and to get out of Syria ,since everyone who voted for Trump knows the criminal US war there..
    3)Try to bring back to America as much jobs possible..
    4) Try to sabotage the American World Empire project and retreat from all wars and rebuilding America.
    5)Hold power on the President position as much as possible.. and have people strong support for 2020
    next elections..

    Amazingly
    He is working in some ways in all of those.. So it looks indeed , all the things ,bad things he did ,like attacking Syria and Sanctions and expulsion of diplomats of Russia ,he was pressure with no choice but to do it..

    What is pathetic and sad to see , in all this.. is you have Trump powerless with hands tied ,doing so many things
    that can help enormously Russia and at the same time ,you see the Monkey President Putin ,with all the power of the universe in Russia.. in near absolute control of it.. and Do NOTHING to help Russia for real on a long term . What Putin is doing is fixing problems Americans creates in the world to damage Russia interest.. but does NOTHING to STOP US ,from creating more and more problems.. Why ? as long Russia under Putin , dont Counter
    US influence in the world , American most popular business , as long Putin don't counter US leadership in the world.. by creating a higher quality ,more modern Economy.. Russia will continue being disrespected and sanctioned and humiliated again and again and again. So Putin policies does not stop the US system.. neither
    offers an alternative to it... and instead Putin prefer to look to the other side ,when his face slapped , and instead of promoting a new world order ,with Actions with Business to counter US.. he doubles down with his "healthy sports" and promoting more family values ,while being polite to American partners.who wants his head chopped.

    It is embarrassing to see politicians in Europe with real understanding of what is happening, that are friendly to Russia to speak in RT ,warning the moron Putin ,to NOT believe for a second ,that being polite to his own country Government in UK or US , will calm his enemies desire for Russian blood..

    This is why ,i said , the best GIFT Putin could give the west.. is to focus in distractions ,like breaking world records in agriculture or Sport. and allow US to take the lead in Space exploration and to continue leading unmatched in High technology ,very popular business.




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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #9

    Post  Austin on Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:03 am

    Why Russia will NOT fall victim to emerging markets financial crisis

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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #9

    Post  GarryB on Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:44 pm

    HiIlary has a huge dick that is totally out of control... she calls him Bill, but obviously not often enough to satisfy that wag.

    Minpromtorg discussed with companies the idea of ​​withdrawing super profits in the budget

    Imagine suggesting that in the west... Apple makes trillion dollar profits around the world so they would get a super tax to spread that money around in the country they earned it in...

    I have been thinking about it and I think the real problem is sheep and wolves... in the west there are sheep and there are wolves... the sheep do all the work and the wolves are at the top of the food chain picking off the weak and living the high life of the labours of another.

    What we really need is not to get rid of the management, but to change them from wolves to sheepdogs...

    IMHO Trump is neither pro nor anti Russian. He is pro Trump and his oligarch comrades.

    He very much is pro trump, but he is not an idiot and realises that while Russia has been framed as this huge powerful enemy there is no reason it has to be that way... they are not communist, they have no real beef against the US except the obvious that everyone has against the US... their sermons don't match their actions...

    His stance as anti Russian dude is to me clearly ;political game before senate elections

    He is the fool that thinks he can win his enemies over as friends if he can act like he thinks they would like to act... problem is that his enemies are talking shit and are not interested in what they say they are... they are just appealing to what they think their fan base wants...

    And lets face it... they lost the last election because they are completely out of touch with what the American people want.

    @Hole - Russia definitely could buy many fighters if needed but investments in economy now is no 1 in afraid.

    Building roads and high speed rail lines and bridges and tunnels makes more sense at the moment... they don't need thousands of fighter aircraft or lots of big ships right now... in an economic conflict that is just extra operational costs for capabilities they currently have no practical need for.

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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #9

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:58 pm

    GarryB wrote:HiIlary has a huge dick that is totally out of control... she calls him Bill, but obviously not often enough to satisfy that wag.








    Minpromtorg discussed with companies the idea of ​​withdrawing super profits in the budget

    Imagine suggesting that in the west... Apple makes trillion dollar profits around the world so they would get a super tax to spread that money around in the country they earned it in...


    Thats called a Google tax isnt it? BTW among taxed companies is Sibur, Norilsknickel or ALrosa. Companies which transfer almost all profits abroad to "diaspora" accounts. Thy dont seem to be investing much in Russia. I hope this "sudden" Putins man proposal is no so unplanned.







    IMHO Trump is neither pro nor anti Russian. He is pro Trump and his oligarch comrades.

    He very much is pro trump, but he is not an idiot and realises that while Russia has been framed as this huge powerful enemy there is no reason it has to be that way... they are not communist, they have no real beef against the US except the obvious that everyone has against the US... their sermons don't match their actions...


    Problem with Russia is not tsarist, communist is just Russia. Too big territory , resources and people capital just to leave it without "international" control. Nothing personal.






    His stance as anti Russian dude is to me clearly ;political game before senate elections

    He is the fool that thinks he can win his enemies over as friends if he can act like he thinks they would like to act... problem is that his enemies are talking shit and are not interested in what they say they are... they are just appealing to what they think their fan base wants...

    And lets face it... they lost the last election because they are completely out of touch with what the American people want.


    to me there is a serius crack inUS elites, some want to rule the world cannibalizing what was left out of US (Clinton & globalists) some want to save what they can in US but giving up hegemony and perhaps also dollar as reserve currency. The rest is just fog of war and misinformation.






    @Hole - Russia definitely could buy many fighters if needed but investments in economy now is no 1 in afraid.

    Building roads and high speed rail lines and bridges and tunnels makes more sense at the moment... they don't need thousands of fighter aircraft or lots of big ships right now... in an economic conflict that is just extra operational costs for capabilities they currently have no practical need for.

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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #9

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Aug 17, 2018 5:12 pm


    Aeroflot will buy out shares from non-agreeers with the lease of MS-21 aircraft

    http://www.interfax.ru/russia/625326


    finally good news , so those 7% investors (let me guess geography of owners Razz) were blocking Russian industry so long?!




    miketheterrible wrote:It's a good aircraft but doesn't it kind of fit in same category as SSJ?

    nto exactly the same:
    MS-21 is class of Airbus A-320/B-737 (MTOW 80tons)
    SSJ-100 is class o Embraer 190/ Bombardier C (MTOW 46tons)


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    Re: Russian Economy General News: #9

    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Aug 17, 2018 5:12 pm

    Russia has a lot of untapped resources, and connection between east, central and west Russia is a rail-line, an out of date road and some airports. It is even worst up north. Products that should be dirt cheap are not because of logistics. If they improve the infrastructure, they can improve the logistics, which means cheaper and faster transportation which usually equates to cheaper overall products.

    The money being spent on logistics and infrastructure will be a good investment. Next step is total energy self reliance. Russia still imports Petrol since they do not produce for their entire needs. They only produce something like 30 - 40%. Total 100% is what is needed. Excess be sold to outside at a decent profit. Make overall utilities cheaper. Make medicine cheaper. Make a lot of it cheaper and overall, more money saved.

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