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    Post  kvs on Wed May 30, 2018 9:16 pm

    Putin must be doing it right if he gets peanut gallery attacks from all parts of the political spectrum.

    When you hear a chorus of support, then you know something is wrong as was the case at all times in history (e.g. 1930s in various places).
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed May 30, 2018 11:16 pm

    ZoA wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:

    You're one to talk..........

    I did not see you contribute anything meaningful. Vacuous comments from peanut gallery are useless.

    Much more than your whining, lying ass.  All you contributed to this is - Putin is DUmb hur durrr. Russian economy is dying, hurrrrr.  Thanks Libtards.

    Go do something else with your life, cause this isn't working for you.  Let us just talk news rather than hearing your diatribe. Unlike you, we actually provided NEWS and talked about it, rather than hearing you cry the same shit every time. Yeah, you hate Putin and the CBR and what not. We get it. Now fuck off.

    Thanks.


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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed May 30, 2018 11:17 pm

    As has been pointed out multiple times before, Muslims contribute to less than 10% of the population. More like 7%. And all of them are in the small, southern regions with the exception of migration to some major cities.

    Their birthrates are about the same as rest of Russia too.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu May 31, 2018 1:21 am

    @ALL of YOU LADS lol1 lol1 lol1

    -  Look at what's cookin'
    Really worth reading

    Experts: VEB should become a key instrument for implementing the objectives of the May decree




    Подробнее на ТАСС:
    http://tass.ru/ekonomika/5246697

    tell me that Kudrin is wrong now...

    Kudrin told in what case the government can raise VAT


    MOSCOW, May 30 - RIA Novosti. The government of the Russian Federation may consider raising the VAT if it does not dare to relax the budget rule, the head of the Russian Audit Chamber, Alexei Kudrin, believes.

    "Today, oil prices are higher than $ 70 per barrel, and you can replace this rule (change the cut-off price in the budget rule from $ 40 to $ 45 per barrel) to $ 45 per barrel by $ 5 per barrel. taxes, "Kudrin said, speaking at the Primakov Readings forum.


    The second option, he said, could be an increase in the budget deficit by 0.5% of GDP relative to the current budget.


    РИА Новости https://ria.ru/economy/20180530/1521724610.html
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu May 31, 2018 1:34 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    As long as white Europeans and Americans are out-bred by Muslim immigrants first it's a win in my book. That segment of human population does not deserve to exists. Two-faced back-stabbing double-crossing genocidal parasites that they are.


    I must disagree on this.  Look at Iran, one of safest countries to visit as a tourist... much more probable you get knife on your back in London or Paris. not necessarily from young Arabs. Most of muslims are OK. Lets not mix aggresive parasitic scum saying they ar Islam from Muslims. Look at Ukraine. What is difference pro-western "democratic" junta from ISIS? And if you go to Morocco you actually can feel much safer then in say Brussels were descents of Moroccan immigrants live...


    What happens in Russia after that is Russia's business. But honestly I am pretty sure it will be current status quo ad infinitum. Desire to reproduce seems to be common trait to all segments of population over there. Just make sure that guns and money are in place and everything will work out great.  
    Because guns and money are main prerequisites for stable population growth. Everything else is irrelevant.  

    everywhere people want children as long as do not listen to "Soros media".  


    Look here
    1) first like 40 positions as highers birth rates are in Black Africa
    2) most of Muslim countries are n level of slightly over Latin America ( however Mexico has more no of births/1000 than Saudi Arabia... with 4x bigger population, Venezuela has higher than Mexico). Vietnam slightly lower.   And Philippines 50% higher than Turkey and 30% higher then Saudi Arabia...


    3) Russia has ~ 2/3 (11,5 vs Saudi Arabia 18,5). Russians I presume want it to grow so need immigration until enough women gets to fertility age so mortality rate gets below  with right age structure of society.  
    Recent years was growing internally b slightly. Noe is in slight decline (intrinsic not counting immigration)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_birth_rate


    Conclusions: NO world will not become Islamic. Sooner African Very Happy:D:D or Indian. Russian Muslims are actually very well integrated into society since (Tatars since XVI century)  unlike recent wave in west. However assimilation mechanisms are not yet perfect however much better then in EU - in Russia is something AFAIK  you can call Letikultur approach.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu May 31, 2018 1:39 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:.....
    I must disagree on this. Look at Iran, one of safest countries to visit as a tourist... much more probable you get knife on your back in London or Paris. not necessarily from young Arabs. Most of muslims are OK. Lets not mix aggresive parasitic scum saying they ar Islam from Muslims. Look at Ukraine. What is difference pro-western "democratic" junta from ISIS? And if you go to Morocco you actually can feel much safer then in say Brussels were descents of Moroccan immigrants live...


    I know that, I was shitting on whites not on Muslims




    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    @ALL of YOU LADS lol1 lol1 lol1

    -  Look at what's cookin'
    Really worth reading

    Experts: VEB should become a key instrument for implementing the objectives of the May decree




    Подробнее на ТАСС:
    http://tass.ru/ekonomika/5246697

    tell me that Kudrin is wrong now...

    Kudrin told in what case the government can raise VAT


    MOSCOW, May 30 - RIA Novosti. The government of the Russian Federation may consider raising the VAT if it does not dare to relax the budget rule, the head of the Russian Audit Chamber, Alexei Kudrin, believes.

    "Today, oil prices are higher than $ 70 per barrel, and you can replace this rule (change the cut-off price in the budget rule from $ 40 to $ 45 per barrel) to $ 45 per barrel by $ 5 per barrel. taxes, "Kudrin said, speaking at the Primakov Readings forum.


    The second option, he said, could be an increase in the budget deficit by 0.5% of GDP relative to the current budget.


    РИА Новости https://ria.ru/economy/20180530/1521724610.html

    Can you translate this for us non-versed in art of economy?
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu May 31, 2018 2:03 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    I know that, I was shitting on whites not on Muslims

    couple years ago I was in Brussels around Christmas. City council stated that there will be no Christmas tree not to offend Muslims. They built the "light tower" form TVs people were pissed on Muslims. BUT I asked couple of them who actually were real believers and happened to were in the same project. All answered like: No we dont mind. Isa (Jesus) was our most important prophet after Mohammad" It turned out that none of Muslim organizations requested this. this was green-lezbo-progressive liberals idea Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil




    Can you translate this for us non-versed in art of economy?

    so modesty is your second name huh? Suspect Suspect Suspect

    Budget rule is decoupling ruble form barrel price. So whatever is over 40 $/bbl goes to reserve. Kudrin says: whadda faque? oil is over 70$ not 40$ why dont you make rule 45$ not 40$ and you have magically cash. Cah to fulfill Putins order without increasing taxes...
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    Post  Vann7 on Thu May 31, 2018 11:15 am

    anyone knows , if the Trump Steel /aluminum wars will benefit or damage Russia economy ?

    There are reports that says totally the opposite.. one that will benefit Russia ..


    (old report from March )
    Goldman Sachs: Trump’s tariffs will benefit Russia and China
    https://www.fastcompany.com/40540056/goldman-sachs-trumps-tariffs-will-benefit-russia-and-china

    Others reports says that will damage Russia aluminum and steel exports..
    and damage Russia economy.. So which is it ? Trump metals trade war good or bad for Russia? Neutral

    It was said that the biggest losers of a trade Metals wars will be Canada ,Mexico and Brazil who export
    Steel and alumininum to US for better prices...  But what will happen if all buyers of US steel ,just shift towards Russia and Asia and buy their steel there ?  Can't Europe just buy the steel /aluminum from Russia and save
    money in transportation since Russia is near that America?

    Today May 31 ,it is expected US will restart the tariff on Aluminum and Metal.
    https://sputniknews.com/world/201805311064963953-eu-us-trade/

    what is crazy about all this is that even Goldman Sach who are big GLobalist banking in the
    west , oppose Trump trade war ,saying that it will benefit Russia and China .. ?? and that the jobs
    Trump create in metals will means economic losses and job losses for the automobile industry and
    Beer and cokecola who use aluminum and will need to pay higher prices..


    IF Trump strategy to make America Great again , is to bankrupt the 1% elite ,then that could be something..
    but i don't think US government does anything without a reason.. To risk a trade war with Europe , could
    only happen if they believe it will damage seriously Russia economy and the automobile industry in Russia
    from European car makers.. like i said before Americans foreign policy have been in the past 100% all
    about how to sabotage and isolate Russia economy. Obama targeted the Oil prices and now Trump targeting
    Aluminum and steel prices.. looks more like an continuation of a trade war with Russia , that they so desperate
    to slow down Russia economy , that they are ready to sacrifice their own allies. Canada and Europe.

    anyone knows if this metals Trade Wars is really bad news for Russia or will not damage Russia much ?


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    Post  AlfaT8 on Thu May 31, 2018 4:44 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Looks like we've gone way off topic, i wonder if Garry can move tis discussion to the population thread.
    shhhhhh he is now not here lol1 lol1 lol1 lst stay low lol1 lol1 lol1
    but oki lest move to other threat - or you open one?  Smile

    Ok, it's been moved.
    http://www.russiadefence.net/t1518p375-russian-population
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    Post  Hole on Thu May 31, 2018 5:20 pm

    Vann7 wrote:anyone knows , if the Trump Steel /aluminum wars will benefit or damage Russia economy ?

    There are reports that says totally the opposite.. one that will benefit Russia ..


    (old report from March )
    Goldman Sachs: Trump’s tariffs will benefit Russia and China
    https://www.fastcompany.com/40540056/goldman-sachs-trumps-tariffs-will-benefit-russia-and-china

    Others reports says that will damage Russia aluminum and steel exports..
    and damage Russia economy.. So which is it ? Trump metals trade war good or bad for Russia? Neutral

    It was said that the biggest losers of a trade Metals wars will be Canada ,Mexico and Brazil who export
    Steel and alumininum to US for better prices...  But what will happen if all buyers of US steel ,just shift towards Russia and Asia and buy their steel there ?  Can't Europe just buy the steel /aluminum from Russia and save
    money in transportation since Russia is near that America?

    Today May 31 ,it is expected US will restart the tariff on  Aluminum and Metal.
    https://sputniknews.com/world/201805311064963953-eu-us-trade/

    what is crazy about all this is that even Goldman Sach who are big GLobalist banking in the
    west , oppose Trump trade war ,saying that it will benefit Russia and China .. ?? and that the jobs
    Trump create in metals will means economic losses and job losses for the automobile industry and
    Beer and cokecola who use aluminum and will need to pay higher prices..


    IF Trump strategy to make America Great again , is to bankrupt the 1% elite ,then that could be something..
    but i don't think US government does anything without a reason.. To risk a trade war with Europe , could
    only happen if they believe it will damage seriously Russia economy and the automobile industry in Russia
    from European car makers.. like i said before Americans foreign policy have been in the past 100% all
    about how to sabotage and isolate Russia economy.  Obama targeted the Oil prices and now Trump targeting
    Aluminum and steel prices.. looks more like an continuation of a trade war with Russia , that they so desperate
    to slow down Russia economy , that they are ready to sacrifice their own allies.  Canada and Europe.

    anyone knows if this metals Trade Wars is really bad news for Russia or will not damage Russia much ?



    The tarrifs are on steel from EU, Canada and Mexico sold to Amiland. So EU won´t buy steel from Russia, they will have more steel.
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    Post  ZoA on Thu May 31, 2018 6:06 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    ZoA wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:

    You're one to talk..........

    I did not see you contribute anything meaningful. Vacuous comments from peanut gallery are useless.

    Much more than your whining, lying ass.  All you contributed to this is - Putin is DUmb hur durrr. Russian economy is dying, hurrrrr.  Thanks Libtards.

    Go do something else with your life, cause this isn't working for you.  Let us just talk news rather than hearing your diatribe.  Unlike you, we actually provided NEWS and talked about it, rather than hearing you cry the same shit every time.  Yeah, you hate Putin and the CBR and what not.  We get it.  Now fuck off.

    Thanks.


    Oh, I'm sorry for questioning supreme intellect and master plan of you idol Putin. I thought this is forum about Russia and Russian' military, not Putin adoration society.
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    Post  ZoA on Thu May 31, 2018 6:20 pm

    All this idiotic xenophobic fear of Muslim that US propaganda is pushing, and may fools are buying, is total idiotism. There were Muslims in Russia sense Katharine the great, and it was hardly ever a problem. Religions discrimination and phobias will cause far more problem then any change in religion demographics.

    Now days Russian Muslims proved some of the best infantry in the world ( Kadirow's Chechens), rivalled only by Hezbolla in quality. They also provide cultural bridge to other Muslim nations of central and Sout West Asia, what can be useful in spreading Russian influence in that region. They are massive asset benefiting Russia, and those that want to create some kid of identity politics divide among Russian citizens based on religion are only working to undermine Russia. This is why US propaganda is spreading such xenophobia.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu May 31, 2018 8:17 pm

    http://tass.com/economy/1006568

    Essentially the Europeans keep saying how great Russia is to invest in but because of sanctions and counter sanctions, its not easy. And then goes on to complain about Russian counter sanctions. In other words, these assholes want to control Russias economy and trying to word things around to make it sound like Russia would ever become "competitive" in Europe markets only if they give incentives to......european companies. Obviously for people who have zero idea, it sounds great that these promises. But in reality, it is all about trying to get European companies to flood Russia and make money in Russia and undermining Russian companies.

    Actually, sanctions and counter sanctions have been a godsend for Russian companies. Something this article is trying to make it sound like the opposite. They do not want businessmen in Russia who actually harm Russia, get a slap on the wrist for agreeing with Sanctions.

    To hell with them. They really do not need Europe at all and the Europeans know this as Russia proved it already. They just try to use the "economic" sector of Russias establishment as a method to push their drivel.
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    Post  Hole on Thu May 31, 2018 10:04 pm

    No they moan about tariffs imposed by Amiland but still keep the sanctions against Russia in place. Cost: roughly 150 - 200 Bill. Euros. Idiots!
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:00 am

    Vann7 wrote:anyone knows , if the Trump Steel /aluminum wars will benefit or damage Russia economy ?

    There are reports that says totally the opposite.. one that will benefit Russia ..
    So which is it ? Trump metals trade war good or bad for Russia? Neutral

    There is no one simple answer I am afraid as the question is not simple either. Good for whom? Ath wht timeline? I can tell you as I see it:

    For Deripaska? Not necessarily good. Sure he cannot buy more stuff offshore, will be pushing to “compensate him “ to keep company afloat. I hope he won't be able Very Happy
    Russian state? In short more money wasted for “injections” to Rusal , less taxes. In long Rusal can be re-nationalized as buying out bankrupt company (no It won't happen but I’d prefer it would Smile.

    Let me quote Bloomberg:
    “This is not an existential issue for Rusal -- the aluminum will get out to the rest of the world by some means,” Gait said by phone. “Do I believe that 3.7 million tons of aluminum capacity in Russia is going to be idled? Will the Kremlin let a 100,000 aluminum workers pack up and stay at home?”

    What could happen is that traders in China or countries not allied with the U.S. might take the ingot -- the type traded on exchanges -- remelt and process it, and send it back to the world market, Gait said. Ingot is the first step in output and later iterations could be hard to trace back to a Russian smelter.

    The sanctions are “going to disrupt and divert trade flows in the short term, and reallocate credit and financing, but do I think it’s going to materially affect the real world economy or stop Russian supply? No,” said Gait.


    Last but not least - domestic industry. By sector transport, electromechanical, construction, packaging in world constitute s like 95% of consumption.

    By counries:
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/215991/major-aluminium-consumers-as-a-percent-of-world-total/


    China & Asia by 2025 will be consuming ~75% of aluminium alone while US 7%...







    what is crazy about a welcome Twisted Evil ll this is that even Goldman Sach who are big GLobalist bankingg in the
    west , oppose Trump trade war

    IF Trump strategy to make America Great again , is to bankrupt the 1% elite ,then that could be something..
    but i don't think US government does anything without a reason..


    Mehhh Trumps decisions won bankrupt richest ones but true they wont be getting rich as much as before. Trump was a boogie man for globalists and is. He is representative of "real economy" in US and tries to save US jobs and Us industry. Of course slogan " let's make USA great again"., my question is and ever was?!

    In fact Tronald Dump's trade war against the all world is most stupid thing he could do for US dominace Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil He might save US economy but pushes Us to second league ...and imago f US in immigrants, EU, Asia among Russian liberasts wow. Devastating lol1 lol1 lol1


    what is beneficial for Russia russia russia russia




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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:10 am

    Hole wrote:No they moan about tariffs imposed by Amiland but still keep the sanctions against Russia in place. Cost: roughly 150 - 200 Bill. Euros. Idiots!

    Merkel has no real choice doesnt she? Germany has been since 45 under US occupation. Is any independent country hosting foreign troops on its territory? Russia, China, US, India or Israel?
    I am sure German industrialists would prefer to work with Russia but if Us says:

    1) VW will have new scandal for whatever reason :50 blns fine
    2) DB will another "tax" or scenarios regime problems ... 50 blns
    and so on and so on...

    They are rational to me. Of course once US pushes too far beyond area it can defend... well consider this more Hadrianopolis battle then Teutoburger Wald in terms of Us domination






    ZoA wrote:All this idiotic xenophobic fear of Muslim that US propaganda is pushing, and may fools are buying, is total idiotism. There were Muslims in Russia sense Katharine the great, and it was hardly ever a problem. Religions discrimination and phobias will cause far more problem then any change in religion demographics.


    meh since XVI both in Kazan an Siberia Razz Razz Razz

    They are massive asset benefiting Russia, and those that want to create some kid of identity politics divide among Russian citizens based on religion are only working to undermine Russia. This is why US propaganda is spreading such xenophobia.

    Russia is federation of 100+ ethnic groups... imagine if they turn against each other? Russia ceases to exist...

    BTW US Muslims are OK dont they?







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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:19 am

    ZoA wrote:Oh, I'm sorry for questioning supreme intellect and master plan of you idol Putin. I thought this is forum about Russia and Russian' military, not Putin adoration society.

    It is not about who you criticize but how you do it. By offending others and going personal is never good for discussion. Focus on justifying your opinions with arguments instead. And trust me discussion will be easier

    Do you feel this p’tite difference?

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    Post  ZoA on Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:20 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:

    Russia is federation of 100+ ethnic groups... imagine if they turn against each other? Russia ceases to exist...

    BTW US Muslims are OK dont they?


    Irrational xenophobic attitudes like this is exactly what will course them to turn against each other. As someone that lives in former Yugoslavian republic i can personalty testify how idiotic nationalism can destroy a good thing. Especially when combined with idiotic liberal economic policies.

    In fact this entire scenario developed  by US propaganda and it's agents in Russia is very reminiscent to situation in Yugoslavia just before its collapse. We have US and EU propaganda stroking xenophobia at the same time as Russian equivalents of Ante Markjović (Kudin and his 5th column gang) are setting up conditions for total economic collapse.
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    Post  Vann7 on Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:03 pm

    ZoA wrote:All this idiotic xenophobic fear of Muslim that US propaganda is pushing, and may fools are buying, is total idiotism. There were Muslims in Russia sense Katharine the great, and it was hardly ever a problem. Religions discrimination and phobias will cause far more problem then any change in religion demographics.

    Now days Russian Muslims proved some of the best infantry in the world ( Kadirow's Chechens), rivalled only by Hezbolla in quality. They also provide cultural bridge to other Muslim nations of central and Sout West Asia, what can be useful in spreading Russian influence in that region. They are massive asset benefiting Russia, and those that want to create some kid of identity politics divide among Russian citizens based on religion are only working to undermine Russia. This is why US propaganda is spreading such xenophobia.


    No offense , but you have very little knowledge of Russia history and the very critical role  ,
    Religion played in Russia history
    , in a (positive and negative) ways since Russia empire was funded to this date.
    As you should know Creation of Tsarist Russia was made by Orthodox Christian monks.. and the Russian language
    or alphabet ,was inspired by Greeks Orthodox Christians..  So Christianity played a key role in the culture of Russia
    and on its laws too.. While Islam allowed many womens marriage , Christianity only allowed one. And Christianity promoted the concept of womens being equal , something different with Islam or Judaism. Only thanks to Christian orthodox religion adopted by Russia ,it was possible for womens to become leaders of Russia empire.. Something like that will have not been accepted by Jews or Muslim in those times. The first Russian tzar Ruled both Russia and the Russian orthodox Church.. so he could give you a Sermon in the church and later rule Russia politics.. all this later split a bit , but still Orthodox Christianity traditions and Culture played an major identity role in Russia history.
    This means that because Russia was an Orthodox State... the nation became a major issue and competition for Muslim and Jews in Russia Empire.  

    All Internal major civil wars in Russia ,done by the common average citizens ,were all lead by JEWS or By Muslims.. Coincidence?
    you have the Bolshevick revolution. which was a Jews revolution vs Christian Russia . . and then you have the not one but TWO chechen wars that lasted near ~15-20 years.. lead by muslims.. Jews killed 2 Tzars  ..Alexander and Nicholas II.. and during the Russian revolution and the first thing they did when took power was destroy all the Russian Orthodox churches ,kill the monks and declared illegal religion.. welcome to the Lenin's soviet union. The original revolution ,began to collapse with Stalin new reforms that was more tolerant for Christians after world war 2. And the leaders of bolshevic revolutions were thousands of Jews ,that came from Britain.. during the times Nicholas II was losing the war with Germany and after losing another with Japan..This was the Euromaidan style. .tactics.. Take advantage of major popularity problems of the Tzar and Russia bad economy to lead a revolution .. It was Muslims TATARS who joined Hitler to help NAzis conquer Crimea.. and during Catherin the Great ,you had another attempt to destroy Russia from the inside by Muslim Cossacks..
    the so called Pugachev's Rebellion..  

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pugachev%27s_Rebellion

    They took control of Kazan..and were seeking to overthrow the Tzar.. So Muslim and Jews HISTORICALLY have been the most anti patriotic citizens of Russia.. the troublemakers.. They Both.. jews and muslim simply did not adapted to Russia orthodox Faith and each one wanted to impose their religion as the state religion.  It was for nothing.. that Jews were NOT ALLOWED to build residences in moscow in the capital . and it was no different for muslim.. Tsarist Russia avoided the concentration of Jews or muslim in moscow for fear of they creating troubles..  Catherine and all the Tzars always had major distrust in them..because they created problems in Europe too.. What was Russo-Turkish wars if not a religious war? Russia pushing muslim away from Europe?
    Armenian Genocide , what was that if not an ethnic cleansing of Christians ? What was the Yugoeslavia war if not
    Muslims vs Christians ?

    Interestingly , The Budist people.. did not had a problem integrating with Christian culture..
    This is because Both Christianity and Budism..have much stronger preference for peace over violence.
    many Jews in the other hand promotes wars , whenever it benefits Israel.. while muslim when it benefits Islam.

    The entire world history is full of thousands of examples , of how Jews , Muslims, they never integrate fully in any place that Christianity values dominate society behavior. Syrian war ? what is this if not a religious sectarian war ,incited by NATO on Syria?  Pro Christians values/secular Syrians  vs Sectarian Islam only muslims?

    You had Muslim in Kazan ,promoting laws like child marriage or trying to limit the influence of Orthodox Church
    in their regions. So there are major tensions of Muslims against Christians all the time in Russia.. just because
    you don't see wars happening , does not means the tensions don't exist.. Beach for womens only? and covering the hair of womens mandatory are other major problems Muslims have with the kremlin.

    Jews always seek to seize power in any place they go. and impose their politics. and muslim always seek to impose their religion . So those 2 religious factions are the ones that more oppose to Russia rules and laws.. have been major problems for Russia through history ... the most dangerous revolution of Russia ,were done by those 2 factions.. Jews and muslim can be influenced from abroad by enemy nations of Russia.. orthodox Christians in the other hand are more supportive of their nation. Muslim thinks in terms of ISLAM FIRST.. and they don't recognize much Borders..they thing the entire world should be under islam control..  Jews in the other hand think in Jews First.. they are never patriotic , but more self centered and don't care about what is good for the state. instead think only in taking power for their own benefits.. So muslim and jews are the biggest 5th column in Russia.. The Liberals in Russia , -->the jews . they want to abolish Russia state and transform Russia into another Saudi arabia.. Since they see christianity as the biggest threat of Islam.. and Jews see Russia as the biggest threat of controlling the world. So is not an unfunded fear..Islam in my opinion is the biggest internal threat of Russia . ISIS can only recruit in zones were Islam grows..There is no place for jihadism to grow in christians communities.. this is why is NOT surprising that all the terrorist
    that came from Russia to Syria , they all 100% of them. .came from Muslim majority regions in Russia. majority chechens or from dagestan.. So there is a very real serious threat Russia face with Islam.. even if it is "moderate".
    Because Muslim are not patriotic and they see the domination of Islam more important ,than Russia existence itself. While Russians , orthodox Russians are not so attached so much to religious dogma . For them Russia is first . So Islam do represent a major threat for Russia.. including Kadirov ,that sometimes makes headline for his
    emotional ultimatums to Moscow.. it was him who threatened to kill FSB officers do capture terrorist if enter in Chechenia without his permission... Shocked   So anyone who says Islam does not pose a threat to Russia don't know Russia history and neither understand Islam..  In IRAN the lovely IRAN.. that is allied to Russia ,so moderate right? fighting ISIS no ? In IRAN the laws sentence to death penalty ,any muslim who convert to islam... how about that?  Majority of the muslim nations have zero Tolerance for allowing Christianity to grow in their countries..
    and this IS the real reason why so many radical muslins from all middle east attack Syria.. in syria is the only nation in Middle east.. (maybe Lebanon too) that there is TRUE FREEDOM of religion.. and is not illegal for muslims to convert to any religion they want.  So in summary Muslim and Jews are the biggest security threat for Russia.. Not all wars are religious motivated , but the most dangerous wars are.. The ones leading the charge today against Russia are the anglo Jewish Elite in the west.. So religion indentification do play a major role in world wars.. there are rivalries between Jews , Christians and Muslim that have remained hidden for centuries and nobody dare to speak about it.. The unsolved differences between (Jews ,Muslim) vs (Christians)..for fear of major persecution of either Jews or Muslim and major civil unrest.


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    Post  ZoA on Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:46 pm

    You see very fact that Vann himself is pushing this xenophobic line shows how bad idea it is.
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    Post  Nibiru on Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:14 pm


    Before I continue, may I suggest that we conduct further discussions about muzzys in the Russian demographics thread? I fear that the discussion here is getting way off topic.

    I fully agree with Vann's assessment. Muslims (Majority of them) are always a source of trouble in areas where there is significant numbers of them. The islamic violence that most of you people see on TV or internet is just the tip of the iceberg, To truly understand and witness how bad Islam and Muslims really are, one must personally experience living in a place where there are lots of them, then you'll understand why non-Muslims have generally negative attitudes towards Muslims. Because of Muslims, India has been partitioned and regularly suffers from Islamic Terrorism, same case is for Russia, China, Thailand, Philippines, Nigeria, Myanmar etc. Muslims always demand for their own laws and eventually will secede if given a chance, But on the other hand, minorities in Islamic countries are always treated as secondary citizens and are required most of the time to recognize Muzzys as the "Ruler" of the land. (Saudi Arabia, most gulf countries, even Malaysia).

    So what can be done? in Russia's case, gradual Christianization and Russufication is the ONLY effective solution, look at Yakutia, most of the indigenous people there have been successfully Russified, the result? Peace and Prosperity, you dont hear Plsslamic terrorists blowing up people over there.

    Also, accusing people of Xenophobia for criticizing and disliking Muslims is unfounded, You dont dislike a person for No reason at all. We all know that Islam and its followers always cause trouble in areas where they are found. We need to stop sugarcoating Islam and identify it as what it truly is, a threat to civilized societies.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:42 pm

    ZoA wrote: We have US and EU propaganda stroking xenophobia at the same time as Russian equivalents of Ante Markjović (Kudin and his 5th column gang) are setting up conditions for total economic collapse.

    meh Kudrin is not US agent. He is perhaps mentally defective it is called liberalism. This disorder excludes having impact politics but is OK as long as it is something is simple like accountant work. That's why now he can be very useful in Russia where state is very ineffective and expensive. Corruptions and stupid decisions waste enormous amounts of money. + time and indecisiveness.



    That below is a) what has to happen anyway b) PR

    catastrophe

    !!!

    Nobody cared to say: ok we will gradually outplace redundant people. We will make sure people fill find other jobs. We sell some depts. We will gradually reshape our institution.



    VEB plans to reduce up to 50% of staff

    The press service of the state corporation also noted that the requirements for labor productivity will increase
    MOSCOW, June 1. / TASS /. Vneshekonombank (VEB) plans to optimize the staff, 40-50% of employees will fall under the reduction, Tass learned from the press service of the state corporation, which changed leadership at the end of May.


    "The optimization will be quite ambitious - at the level of 40-50% of the current staffing level, the requirements for labor productivity will increase." Taking into account the professionalism of the employees, the tasks assigned to VEB as the supporting institute for development will be met, "the press service said.

    On May 24, VEB was headed by former First Deputy Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov, instead of Sergei Gorkov, who was chairman of Vnesheconombank since February 2016. On that day, Russian President Vladimir Putin called on Shuvalov to turn the bank into a development institutio
    VEB will consider financing of eight projects for 700 billion rubles through the "project factory"
    The press service of the VEB informed TASS that the decision to reduce staff and the number of employees was made following the audit of the current state of the state corporation with the involvement of internal expertise and specialists.

    "VEB significantly changes the approach to business and problem assets, some functions can become redundant for the development institution." The structure will be optimized in strict accordance with the current legislation and all necessary payments will be made. employees, "the report said.

    Reducing the staff will save on wages, leasing space, transportation and other expenses, VEB believes.


    Подробнее на ТАСС:
    http://tass.ru/ekonomika/5256085





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    Post  Hole on Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:50 pm

    Please stop this shit about corruption and ineffectiveness. Western BS.

    According to guys with real knowledge about the country (like Patrick Armstrong, Jon Hellevig and others) Russia is much more effective then any western country. Most of the bureaucracy is much better than in the west. You don´t build airports in 2 years or large bridges in less than 2,5 years if you are corrupt and wasteful.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Jun 01, 2018 6:04 pm

    Hole wrote:Please stop this shit about corruption and ineffectiveness. Western BS.

    Are you trying to say there is no corruption? Vostochny - spetsstroy. The problem with Russia is that Soviet system died, Russian is nto yet built. all this capital flow abroad, all offshore companies and billions for projects which are never materialized? SAP in military, how many billion s were lost because of "one day companies" as man-in- the middle?

    Iam not claiming that west is super or Russia baaaad. Nevertheless way Russian administration works is not particularly very ineffective. Putin cannot work solving average Russian problem because he cannot work on 150 mln people one by one. WTF is law makers an administration ?! What about this tragic fire in Zimnaya Vishnya? or today's mall fire? where were people responsible fore this before tragedy?
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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Jun 01, 2018 6:15 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Hole wrote:Please stop this shit about corruption and ineffectiveness. Western BS.

    Are you trying to say there is no corruption? Vostochny - spetsstroy. The problem with Russia is that Soviet system died, Russian is nto yet built. all this capital flow abroad, all offshore companies and billions for projects which are never materialized? SAP in military, how many billion s were lost because of "one day companies" as man-in- the middle?

    Iam not claiming that west is super or Russia baaaad. Nevertheless way Russian administration works is not particularly very ineffective.  Putin cannot work solving average Russian problem because he cannot work on 150 mln people one by one. WTF is law makers an administration ?!  What about this tragic fire in Zimnaya Vishnya? or today's mall  fire? where were people responsible fore this before tragedy?

    That shit happens everywhere. You can't get rid of it.

    Also, to bitch about Kudrin going to take down Russia economically, is stupid. Replying to ZoA is stupid. He will talk his nonsense till Kudrin is dead and someone else gets in and Russia is still a United country. None of this is worthwhile to comment on him because, let's face it, Russia is growing economically. So that should be enough to know ZoA is lying and being like Vann.

    So.block him or I'm blocking you. Cause you are wasting our fucking time here with these walls of stupidity you and zoa are filling up. I'll ask mods to start cleaning up this thread cause you and him are ruining it.

    Also, please try your best to make sure you sentences make sense. Cause your spelling (spell check exists) is horrendous and you might as well talk in your native language and let the rest of us use Yandex translate instead.

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